Racing Games Continue to Forget...
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- Опубликовано: 27 мар 2024
- With racing games feeling a bit stuck, why do they keep forgetting about their past...?
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Blur, Split/Second, Pure, WipeOut, NFS, Burnout, Midnight Club - There were so many bangers from the PS2/3 era.
I LOVED the racing genre back then. These days I’m easily bored with racing games. What’s going on? Did I outgrow it or are the games just not as fun? I don’t have a single racing game on my PS5. Tried a few and was quickly checked out after a few moments.
@unnderneath there's games on the PS5😂
@@unnderneath i thought the same. Maybe im getting to old for racing games.. until i plugged my ps2 back in and started playing midnight club again. Last couple of days im having so much fun on MC3 (maybe its the nostalgia) but i feel like games back then were build for fun and not for making money or being "realistic"
Flatout 2
Motostorm was so fire. I miss that franchise.
Correct and Always Online is killing the last standing arcade racers. RIP The Crew…
For thta reason alone I will NEVER buy another Ubisoft game.
Boohoooo@@JOHNDOE-ls5cv
So glad NFS abandoned that idea a almost a decade ago.
@@WSPonPlayStationandXbox yeah
@@JOHNDOE-ls5cv Its not Ubisoft as a publisher look at Sony and Microsoft with Forza and GT too
feel like it's because games nowadays want to please all audiences and end up being shallow in every style they try to represent. We had the Tokyo Xtreme Racer franchise that brought a deep culture to the niche it represented. There was no need to add offroad cars to please everyone.
We still have an audience for this niche, just look at how popular Night Runners was, made by one person.
Its just too expensive now, that's why there is less risks appearing in this industry.
@@KTR_ProrataEevee it's too expensive because of the expectation that everything needs to be a massively polished and AAA looking game. it's a spiral
Wreckfest is arguably the closest thing we’ll get to a modern day burnout. Unlicensed cars, race and demo modes, insane crashes, etc. underrated modern day game honestly but it would be cool to have more games like what we had for older consoles.
lol
i wish their audience wasn't adamant in enforcing clean racing lobbies in a game revolved around derby 🤦
@@NormalaatsraWas about to say this. Makes me say "... Did you forget what game you're playing?" It's literally called WRECKfest.
modern day flat out
@@SKC_carcorrect it litterally is, it even shares some or a map (i haven't played much wreckfest but have flatout 2)
Blur , Split Second and Burnout absolutely great games .
Flatout
Midnight Club
Also GRID
And don’t forget ridge racer.
driver san francisco
Car manufacturers should be paying game companies to include their cars in their games not the other way around. It's literally an advertisment for the cars. I've never seen such a reverse paid advertisement outside of games.
Let's make a campaign :
We won't buy a car that we can't drive virtually.
I was screaming at my screen yelling “USE CRASHBREAKER!!!” 4:43
No, they forget about SPLIT SCREEN / local co-op, is like if FIFA didn't have local co-op, WHY? the old ones alway had it and it was awesome
Say it with me everyone
RACING GAMES DONT NEED LISCENCED CARS
racing games do not need lisenced cars
Debatable
@@ethanjarrett9839 not really, you can add them but don't pay the car markers, they're ads, and you can just make look-a-likes. In future you can have real cars, instead of the horrible evs and suvs.
Yes, but they need to be very creative (not budget versions of supercars)
well it depends
arcade games no
arcade-sim games yes
sim games yes
I’ve started watching your videos recently but I’ve been watching you nonstop since then and are really happy I’ve found you!
Really appreciate that!
people are forgetting to mention: ridge racer, the wangan midnight series, the initial d series and the f-zero series
exactly, ridge racer is so underrated
@@monkeyfan250booba
To me, if they want to license cars to appeal to street racing and the tuner scene, do that. But i feel like that effort can be better spent in making outlandish and vibrant environments and destruction in more specialized games such as Burnout and Split Second
For me, the addition of a few licensed cars to Hot Wheels Unleashed was a nice touch, but that doesn't mean that the entire roster should be made entirely out of licensed cars.
That depends on perspective. If you're more focused on gameplay, that's true, you can get by on HW origiinal designs quite well, but for a hot wheels collector, the fact that HW make licenced cars is the greater part of the point of collecting hot wheels so they really need to include a fair smattering of them.
Ridge racer made it work and none of the cars are license, heck Namco gave each company lore through the games and they have their own cult following.
No need for licensed cars. Just a fun racing game. Same for any game honestly. No need for great or hyper realistic graphics. It just needs to be fun and enjoyable.
And it needs burnout level of damage
@@jackraider1039 you're god damn right.
Like the Roblox games 😂 some racing games on Roblox can be pretty fun and have no licensing or realistic graphics.
@@jose.sosa777 I agree, I myself enjoy a few.
BeamNG Is the best
I don't think car licenses are the reason there's no new Midnight Club. As you pointed out, GTA is the top of the "racing game" charts. So, why would they waste time/money on a separate SKU? And this is coming from 40-year game dev vet who worked on; the original NFS, Jet Moto 3, Road Rash 3D0, Grand Tour and yes... Midnight Club LA. From a dollars-in / dollars-out point of view, it doesn't make sense to Rockstar, licensed cars or not.
Theo has some pretty cool viewers in his audience! You must have some stories to tell about game dev in the "golden era" of racing games!
@@Marrrrtinthanks. I probably have some stories to tell about various genres over 40 years. 😆(and I wish they'd bring back Burnout - NOT Paradise, but 3 or Revenge, please! 😉)
MotorStorm as far as I know has never used licensed cars, bikes, and ATVs. However most of those cars are based off of real cars. For example the Wombat Darkwood is based off the Chevy El Camino and Ford Ranchero. Honestly a new MotorStorm game would go absolutely hard in 2024, hell even a re-port, remaster, or remake would go crazy.
It surprises me that we haven't gotten a remaster yet, let alone a new game.
"Have you ever wondered why there's no crash mode in games like Need for Speed or Forza Horizon?"
No I haven't, maybe because they're racing games that arent focused on destruction and crashing?
Also explains why the crashes on your car look like nothing
Night runners, car x street and other indie based games will be the new leaders in racing games. It’s a cycle just like when blackblox had to make a name for the self in the game
Who else got mildly annoyed the car didn’t explode in that burnout 3 clip 😂
Oh yeah i was like only the real ones use the breaker 😂
My OPINION: Rockstar can copy epic games and make separate games from its main game. Like midnight club But its all the gta vehicles same with a side PVP game. They have a wide variety of weapons in gta online but no one really uses them
I have wished that for years I hope that comes true. Like we get the whole car license B's but Rockstar did good replicating cars and creating there own name brand in game. Might as well make a crazy sim racer, using real life aftermarket parts but on like YOU said GTA brand vehicles... definitely ain't mad at that bro! 🎉
Literally all they need to do is make a dedicated racing game using their roster of GTA lore cars. They win. No licensing. Just winning.
A new Motorstorm game with modern graphics would go incredibly hard. I'm talking RDR2 levels of graphics. Imagine...
They could still release split/second 2. Game didn't have liscenced cars, but imagine what it would look like with today technology, all the explosive effects & physics
THEY NEED TO BRING BACK MIDNIGHT CLUB. The fact that they do arcade racing so good in gta? Imagine how it would be in a modern day adaptation of a focused arcade racing game
Keep up the good work ❤️
u forgot MIDTOWN MADNESS
Blur. Why did you have to make me cry 😢
Steam is actually the single biggest gaming market outside of mobile. Now, admittedly, most of those are people with potato PCs and such, but even when just looking at people capable of running the newest triple A games (using the Steam hardware survey), we actually still get really close to PS5 numbers.
Also it's really funny that in the same game companies like Pepsi or Burger King or whatever will pay to have their brands in the game, while car manufacturers have to be paid to allow their cars in them.
i like real cars in games, the prices the manufacturers ask are way too high, the only games that does not seem weird to drive unlicensed cars are the gta games, because they tailor the brands to be like the real brand, not only their cars, it feels like they are part of the universe, not just a way to reduce the cost of the game, even watch dogs feels weird on the cars side
I don't understand having to pay car manufacturers for branded cars, it's literally free advertising, that's your payment
Bugatti owners for example don't play video games, that wouldn't be a valid free marketing Also it's also not so cool to have your car being fully destroyed, stole etc these things don't match the brand goal and message that they want to share.
@@FelipePeletti bro wtf is just a game, your car is being advertised for free to millions of people, who cares what happens to the car? Imagine if a protagonist uses a cool car & people end up loving that protagonist everyone will try to buy it even in collection toys, etc. FREE ADVERTISEMENT
@@shaggytoph take the BMW M3 GTR for example....BMW has the car's videogame presence acknowledged in its website itself, and admittedly that is one of the most criminal videogame cars ever.
@@FelipePeletti Well kids may grow up driving a Bugatti in NFS, and then maybe they get rich enough one day to buy one
Also for destruction and stuff I can understand why car manufacturers don't want branding, that's fine
@@FelipePeletti Except even the car manufacturers have to realize how pointless and - quite frankly - how irrational that argument is. He's said it in at least one of his videos in the past, no one playing video games with cars is ever going to think less of the cars or manufacturers just because they got banged up in a video game. Why would they? Furthermore, it's not like they don't turn around and license their cars out to get smashed up in movies too. At the end of the day, it's all just a matter of companies having inflated egos and expectations. As long as you aren't doing obviously illegal or harmful things, the customer literally does not care what your brand goal and message is if you're simply selling a product; hell, most employees don't care about that either.
Also, bold of you to assume Bugatti owners simply don't play video games. My enjoyment of video games would not simply end at the purchase of an expensive sports car...
Very cool video black panthaa
Blue was not something out of this world but was an amazing car game with Some interesting gameplay
it seems it's making a resurgence this year... We got Night Runners bringing back the 90's Japanese modding/street racing games, New Star GP bringing fun arcade F1 racing, Horizon Chase 2 for that old school racing vibe and Atari is working on NeoSprint for the isometric single screen racing experience.
A rockstar based racing game with all the car manufacturers like vapid, Dinka, bravado ect would be so cool, it would be cool to see manual transmission, custom tracks, speedometer, nos and more. Would be one of the best games they’d make
Car Manufacturers > Gets free advertisement offer
Car Manufacturers > NO YOU MUST PAY TO PUT US IN THE SPOTLIGHT!!!!
Blur was lit
Here's the thing with GTA 5/Online though...
It kinda sucks as a racing game. There's the horribly unbalanced economy, the extremely inconsistent vehicle performance, the underwhelmingly slow top speeds of even the faster cars, the traffic that steers into you, the playerbase that famously can't drive, the lack of viable shortcuts, no nitrous, nonsensical vehicle classes, lack of performance classes, almost no unique customisation options in the vast majority of cars (let alone decent options), the terrible police chases, the bland handling, the inability to drift apart from that tyre option in a few specific cars that make them terrible for everything else, the extremely low rewards for racing, no manual gearbox option, no pink slip races, extremely distant and high-up camera for newer cars, the fact that a huge amount of cars were removed from the websites, the crappy interiors and crappier dashboards, etc.
And keep in mind that Midnight Club's main selling points were the sense of speed, extremely in-depth customisation, small maps, very high difficulty, ridiculously overpowered bikes, extremely fast police, and tons of shortcuts and jumps. Things that all GTA games (apart from, debatably, 1 and Chinatown Wars) seem to go against completely.
Still baffles me how GTAV is even considered to be a racing game, when it’s just a warzone.
Even blur car damage is better than most racing game nowadays 💀 smh..
just like night runners, the cars arent licensed but i dont remember the last time i had so much fun in an arcade racing game and it was just the prologue
Nice video!
I loved Blur. I would definitely love to see a sequel
Old NFS games had some custom cars along with real cars (ex: FZR 2000 from NFS 2) which were locked behind a cheat code. Something similar can be done now but instead of cheat code it could be some kinda reward car
Why does blur still looks sooo good damn
I'm one of those people who would rather have a racing game with licensed cars than fictional ones. HOWEVER, I really like CarX's approach: the cars do not have real badges, do not have their own real names, but in appearance the car models are completely consistent with their real prototypes. This is the approach to unlicensed cars that I really like.
I've been playing burnout revenge for couple of days now and this actually had me thinking that we may never get games like that today
Tell them Pants man 😂 they expect us to keep paying more and more for little to no work even when we beg them 😂
Know what i have been watching you for years like LEGIT YEARS now and had no idea I wasnt subbed to you XD Bring back Blur Bring back fun racing games
speed racer(2008) + game = i want
My top 5, ssx 3, time splitters 2,gran turismo 4,black,burnout revenge and Disney golf.
3:40 ....I just got hit by a nostalgic truck.....God I miss this game..so much to the point that I'm crying while typing this....
a new midnght club with unlicensed cars i'd be ok with actually
rockstar could literally give us a new midnight club game using all of the cars they've made for GTAV
hell they could even set them in the GTA Universe, with Los Santos, Liberty City, Vice City, what ever else there is.
It seems like whenever the devs release a banger arcade racing game and people love it i don't know but i have this feeling as if they're shutting them down on purpose cause players have too much fun 😂🤷🏻♂️
wreckfest its a great game, you forgeting this one!
As much its a good racing experience, everything else in the game feels so underwhelming and bare-bones. That and Tournament was super split because fomo
I'm a sim racer first before a gamer. But I miss the arcade games. There's something fun about playing an old school arcade racer that doesn't take itself seriously. Something I can play on the couch with a controller. I'd love to have a new burnout over another Forza horizon/simcade title
Anyone remember super street; the game? It had soo much potential, no licensed cars and a ton of tuning - just so sad that the driving was dogpoo and it had no open environment
I am like you a racing video game enjoyer
Me too 😎
more Split/Second please :>
I loved growing burnout 3 takedown and burnout dominantor
Never forget the Enjoyers
If the unlicensed cars looked identical to their irl counterparts like they're doing with nightrunners, I wouldn't have a problem. My issue with unlicensed cars is that when massive triple a games like gta have them...they look kinda similar but they're ugly af with the lights, or they mix the car with other irl counterparts
I dont mind unlicensed games, I think it would be good if we started doing that more often again. Eventually, manufacturers will notice and ask to be put back onto games.
A GTA Spinoff game called Midnight Club, complete with all the bells and whistles of GTA online, including the lowriders, drift and drag, and all the brands that have kinda grown up with us in GTA v. I think, like Theo said, that game would scare tf out of a lot of studios in that realm. Kinda low-key wish it happens.
I always didn't like the fact that the porsches in gta online don't look identical from the back (which is what we mostly see) so I was left with a good looking car from the front most of the time so I hope it stops since it doesn't even affect the manufacturer company in anyway
The moment ubisoft made fun of rockstar
This problem has been going on as well in ROBLOX out of all things, car brands being removed due to people contacting car manufactures, and now some big titles, like SWFL (southwest florida), are now switching to unbranded cars and making some masterpieces of fan based models that they are going to implement some time in the future. Another thing is that "realistic" games on ROBLOX have been becoming more popular, with like frontlines and some other car driving games going for the graphical and movement feel to be more realistic instead of more enjoyable for the player.
I'm developing mobile open world racing game very simmiliar to need for speed... and I'm not able to have licensed cars as solo developer.. My cars are liek real but dont have badges or you see nowhere that its nissan etc. And I only hope there are some people like you who will still enjoy it. 🤘🤘
I loved to fully agree with ya but I do like me real cars more but I did love the old games like burnout I dunno why we can't just have arcade games with none real cars and games with real cars like we used to have
Mi manca molto il gioco di blur, c'è una possibilità che ne facciano una versione per Ps 5?
I think it’s our expectations from a game that is killing the market we desperately want. Because unless I’m the one doing the development of a game or I’m a part of it. Nothing that appeals to me or others will ever show up in the final production of a game. Because it’s deadass so hard nowadays because you basically have to please the masses or your game you made doesn’t do well at all financially.
we need rebirths of Split Second and Motorstorm games
Don't mention blur🥺also as I was watching, midnight club had the best customization. 30 inch rims, the mission that you have to deliver the cars on time without damaging, besides the licensed cars it was actually sick for it's time.
I miss games like Motorstorm and Onrush. That's my shit. No lisences, just pure madness and most of all; genuine fun.
I wish somebody would address laborers and the abuse we take in Toronto... like I cant even feel bad for homies like this, hes living the life I wanted. Instead I live like a slave forming and placing steel and rebar...
How about Split/Second, which it never had licensed car manufacturers but only came out with one game.
I think we need to go back to having a balance there were so many games that didnt have licensed cars and they were so fun a good recent example is Night Runners doesn't have licensed cars but its so much fun I kinda miss when we used to have so many games with non branded cars and its a ton of fun I think we should focus on making a fun Racing game from here on with or without Manufacturers
Midnight Club 2 is one of the best and fun racing game of all time and has no licensed cars. Same with Burnout and Motorstorm.
I would definitely buy more arcade racing games like Blur or Burnout if we would get more customisation and a better photoshoot potential, something like NFS2015 aesthetics or maybe cel-shaded ones, i really dont mind non-licensed as long as we have a variety like in gta with cheap hatchbacks, retro coupes and rear-engined sports cars, maybe even some rally cars too
Do what Driver San Francisco did. Licensed cars for the fans, unlicensed cars for the chaos
Well certain games most definitely need licensed cars especially if they are already established titles with licensed vehicles like Gran Turismo, Forza, NFS, and even Midnight Club. I’d even argue that Blur made the right call by using licensed cars because in it’s poor marketing, what was kind of seen as a Mario Kart meets Need For Speed Underground vibe which didn’t really exist in the racing game market. Games like Split Second, and Burnout use fun gameplay and damage physics to not need real cars. However when racing games center around car culture, there is a right way and wrong way to use unlicensed vehicles. The right way to do this is the way CarX and Night Runners is doing it. Basically just use the real cars and change the name. The wrong way to do it is the way Super Street video game did it.
Ok, that sounds interesting 🤔
One game actually did it masterfully midnight club 3
Licensed cars with all the customisations are real you could apply them in real life and the upgrades too
With banger songs
Car culture and dub magazine boosted
I know we may never see something like it again but damn it was so so good
I'm glad that Split/Second has unlicenced cars, because you can still buy the game after all these years. Besides the cars in that game look really good.
I also think that having unlicensed cars allows the developers to have more creative freedom regarding their design (for example the cars from Ciberpunk 2077).
Burnout just unlocked major memories
Yooo burnout 3 is my favorite out of the burnout series
I like that some games have license cars but racing games that don't are really fun because the limits are off. I miss the crash mode in burnout. I also loved playing split second as well. Hell a dedicated GTA racing game would be nice.
The problem is racing wheel. If your game doesn't feel good on a direct drive steering wheel, some people would say it's trash.
We don’t need licensed cars. I think if there was a way for a racing game to have rockstar as a parent company they could do whatever they want. They are lawyered up
For me the car licensing does make or break the game for me, i love being able to use real cars in a fictional world because i know I'd never be able to have the majority in real life. Taking away that aspect just makes me feel less inclined to wanna play a racing game with knockoff cars.
I think EA spent all of their money on EA Trax with some great tunes due to the cheap cost of the Burnout games.
Including the multiple variation of Girlfriend on Burnout Dominator
I used to love the shit out of Blur. Me and my bro played that a lot. Good times
Car manufacturers should pay game Devs to be in games. So many JDM cars would not be as popular in western society without games like NFS and midnight club.
Rockstar can literally make Midnight Club 5 using cars from GTA V
The customizations is already great, the car details.
Just polish a bit and give it a new maps and physics
(they can even copy the whole physics code from MCLA)
And boom
Midnight club 5
Nah bro, this would end up like Cal of duty route where they don't license guns & the franchise went downhil. Also this would allow publishers to charge us the same for games while paying less for manufacturing them, but not investing it in the franchise, just keeping it for themselves.
The PS2 in my mind has still got the best racing games, the best FPS games and many others that we enjoy today.
Manifacturers be defending against free advertisement
I hate games without real brands... i really do... but i also hate the no custumization and superficial damage that comes with licenses...
Need For Speed should do some Concept Cars of their own go crazy make something unique and special have some License cars but some Unlicensed ones as well perhaps as unlocks or hidden secrets scattered across the map to promote replay ability the Unlicensed cars should be collectables
Motor storm was great also
They should do a mix of license cars and make similar cars to the ones not worth licensing
Wreckfest is my favorite game of all time great racing
Racing games without licensed cars allows for developers to get more creative with their designs. Licensed or unlicensed cars really doesn't matter to me, I just need the game feel to be fun and smooth with great varied environments and a banging soundtrack. I much prefer arcade racing over sim/festival racers