It’s always the engine factor which comes in. With engine technology you can simply design and manufacture any aircraft(be it fighterjet, bomber , UCAV) and ADA is capable of that. It was an eye opener way back during Hal Marut days and our IAF never learnt its lesson. It’s high time India expedites the engine devt programme. 2024 being the navy year , 2025 must be airforce year to reinforce the balance of power with PLAAF + PAF combined
The common flaw in leapfrog strategies is they always assume the other leapfrogs aren't also leapfrogging during a superpower arms race - so proceed with Make In India MRFA that has 3 5G Prime contractors and 4 5G Subcontractors with most or all also 6G - to build out the domestic 4G foundation along with a few others required for any advanced G - as per iCET...
To be honest Indian Air Force is really lacking behind other major air powers in terms of Fighter aircrafts. We have not yet been able to produce light combat helicopter Prachand in significant numbers. Even after 20 plus years of being in development Tejas mark 1 fighter is not even in the number of 100 and we also a lacking the skills to build an engine which would be able to support our aircrafts
Everything’s put onto HAL. Work culture there is not sufficient yo challenge today’s needs. Private industry has not matured enough yet for combat aircraft
Role of ghatak ucav and scaled up version of ghatak ucav must be given high priority ......as GHATAK will be the only possible stealth fighter with India till 2029 ........
I am not sure what DRDO doing? we need to come up with best drone, which can dominate world. it should be more advance far higher than ghatak. change defense minster if required, he is not capable,
I am not sure what DRDO doing? we need to come up with best drone, which can dominate world. it should be more advance far higher than ghatak. change defense minster if required, he is not capable,
They are sleeping since 1947 as usual as always. That' why india rank top on corruption index. This this country, they politicians earn 10times more than our scientists and engineers. Lol This country remain a sleepy giant unless they got a great leader and honest prime minister ulike anpad chaiwala and pappu Italy wala
While the Chinese are testing their 6th gen fighter jets and starting to conceptualize the 7th gen, Indian are still fighting between each other about the next iteration of their outdated Tejas.
@@jagadishbhatta9562 Our prestigious IITs are actually training/coaching centres to send our bright minds abroad. We prefer to boast and then mock China...makes us feel a lot better.
India isn't China's competitor, they're playing against US, they don't care about India, which is why they agreed to ratchet down tensions, they want to go after Taiwan and South China sea
India needs exclusive infrastructure other than HAL which should concurrently follow the development of Tejas mk 2 and AMCA so as to initiate production without further delay.
@@SafavidAfsharid3197 Why would government give more funds to HAL when it is PSU. Private players are expecting funds from government and will deliver faster than HAL.
Indian friends, I am Chinese, very objectively say that your Indian Air Force is the first in Asia, and the Chinese 6th generation aircraft in the video is a kite made of paper.
@@miaoyanfeng yes， All of them are J-10 modifications. India has the smartest people, and the only one who can compete with India is the space power South Korea
@@raymondw5787Yes, they are just paper planes. The only country on Earth that can compete with India is the space power South Korea. India is a developed country that surpasses South Korea
REMEMBER folks the first flight we're talking about, depends upon engine availability and that is dependent on so called foreign collaboration which hasn't happened yet so add 3 more years which include selecting that foreign partner+ bureaucracy+ actual engine manufacturing+ delivery. AMCA coming in 2029
@@rohitpol1109 AMCA Mk-1 will be powered by General Electric F-414 to be manufactured in India under 80% technology transfer!! AMCA Mk2 will be powered by the jointly developed 120kn engine...
Yep - and that 1st AMCA.2 flight will only be one of several planned 5G tech demonstrators - not 4.5G AMCA.1 that's ORCA and TEDBD not yet funded - with current 15000crore AMCA funding compared to planned 14000TEDBF funding an indicator of how 5G AMCA.2 will be...
Yep - and that 1st AMCA.2 flight will only be one of several planned 5G tech demonstrators - not 4.5G AMCA.1 that's TEDBF not yet funded - with current 15000crore AMCA funding compared to planned 14000crore TEDBF funding an indicator of how 5G AMCA.2 will be...
98kN Make In India F414 planned for Tejas.2 then TEDBF will be uprated to 116kN F414EPE for 5G AMCA.2 until proven worthy of a multibillion$ 5G engine ...
India shouldn't work with other countries unless full ToT is included, otherwise, India is just putting in money, but getting nothing out of it, the other nation will learn everything and India will be left behind
The age of Manu the law giver is over. Now it's the age of Bhim the lawgiver. Deal with it. Lower castes have cried for a 1000 years. It's only fair that you cry for atleast a 100.
Madrassa Chaap katwa .. Do you know NASA, Microsoft, Google, IBM, Oracle, Boeing all giants recruit from Indian IIT grads? USA grads cannot define Woman!! Bharat lacks on def manufacturing due to corrupt politicians, Bureaucrats and Def officials and keeping poor, inefficient state factory control as monopoly on def projects.
India is doing well enough now, and the Silicon Valley of the United States is almost becoming the Silicon Valley of India. It is only a matter of time before India becomes a world power as long as it persists in its present path.
All the problems can be solved..if Nirmala tai..allocate 2.25-2.5 % of GDP towards defense..to develop military industrial complex...Tata boeing can offer F15EX.. Reliance group can manufacture Rafale..at its facilities.. Or allocate more funds to HAL to fast-track production and development of future jets..
Bhai 4th generation se aage badh ab 5th generation or 6th generation ki baat kar 2025 aa Jayega 2 din mai India ko all types of drone or hyperosnic ke all varients mai speed up karna hoga kaam ko 6th generation ke program mai judd jana chhiye ab japan, Italy ke sath
@@ritzd9604 Education is not needed. We prefer sending our bright minds abroad. IITs are actually coaching centres to send our bright minds abroad. Why work here when they can get a fat paycheck abroad?
No private companies came forward for AMCA, they're asking minimum 300 jet guarantee order, and 30% profit margin, What if private company develop jet and IAF didn't buy, Entire R&D money will go....
Never give up your local fighter program, keep going, learning g tech, fir safety, do buy like Rafael , SU 57. Vested interests will not like India to make aircraft locally .
@@Here4Now ok then, buy the F35 or make a better fighter. But you can't, you can't even make a 4th generation fighter or build your own engine, the SU57 is battle tested against patriot and 4th generation fighters and you don't even have your own test facility.
If Pakistan can enter into a military alliance with Bangladesh, can't India announce a similar pact with Taliban offering them assistance to modernize their armed forces whilst also equipping them with a credible airforce to deal with threats from Pak?
At this point with how late AMCA will be already and given that we've barely just begun its R&D, it should be reinvisioned to incorporate as many sixth gen technologies as possible even if it takes a bit longer, while an interim order for the Su-57M with flat nozzle AL51s is made to cover the fifth gen need on shorter order. Forget the MRFA, useless to spend 20-30 billion on fourth gen now. Tejas variants are still needed to affordably fill numbers, future variants should incorporate as many LO features as they affordably can such as serrated edges which china is also doing on its fourth gen now.
Why is HAL the only contracted company for military aviation 🤔 Like other superpowers have 2 or more manufacturers in the military aviation industry: Russia: Tupolev (they are the experts in bombers), Sukhoi and Mikoyan-Gurevich (MiG) USA: Lockheed-Martin, Northprop-Grumann, Boeing and more China: Chengdu and Shenyang European Union: Dassault aviation, Airbus, BAE systems, SAAB (although these can develop aircraft independently, the countries they are based in do joint development which results in collaboration between these companies to develop aircraft e.g. Eurofighter typhoon)
PVT sector can bring foreign talent.. at the price govt can't give.. learn from the history of Marut (first Indian fighter aircraft), they just bought guess 1 German guy. If later defence industry did NOT succumb to socialism and corrupted deals then, we would have been ahead of china by now for sure..
These official's are still in dream land. They obviously rely on american engines for all fighter jet programs. And that american company doesn't have any willingness in giving engines to india on time. Since this is the reality, why are they acting as if fighter jets will be ready very soon. Why cant they shift their focus on kaveri engine project and fasten the development process of it?
India wil keep saying but never do just buy SU-57 from Russia we can't wait for amca, until amca wil be delivered til then China and Pakistan wil have 7th or 8th generation fighter jets
One of the biggest mistakes of IAF was to go with “single engine” fighters. Had they gone for dual engines then the current Kaveri engines would have been enough for MK1A and MK2.
@@kishoreannavajjhala9432 those are outdated jets. Anyone can make those in short time. They didn't have sophisticated tech in those jets at that time.
Because social media users panicked, we cannot produce jet in 1 year. There is a process to build a jet and it takes years. Only thing is HAL is super lazy
@vaimurthy yes that is the point!!!. All the people here know that ecil,hal etc have never produced one ground breaking or state of the art product in 50 years
I think it's due to funds issue as companies don't want to put there money on r&d and just want to Manufacture by tot. You know they just want to make profits.
Most private players want a quick return on their investments. The huge cost, long gestation periods for developing aircraft, then testing and certification deters most.
@@vaimurthy see whatever they are doing is according to their plans and business, I am no one to judge , for example in recent years adani dristi drone and tatas with Collab to airbus is a great initiative. In this way they will learn something and may apply in future products. And I answered to the above question why private firms don't bring there own products, it's just because funds.
I think HAL is under resourced with manpower, skills, technical knowhow to meet the airforces current threat levels in providing aircraft that can stand its ground against the PAKs and Chinese ,therefore to be realistick the Indian Air Force should procure 5th and Sixth generation fighters from foreign suppliers and let HAL carry on with its developments and who knows maybe they will get lucky and deliver something in the next 10 years as it has taken 40 years to develop a jet engine that cannot be fitted to the Tejas because it is under powered, have they not learnt about reverse engineering 😊
High time Private players like Tata, Mahindra and then Reliance/Adani etc join the defence sector as major full on manufacturers for aircrafts. Plus start the commercial aircraft and engine companies. We have more than enough capability to have our own giants.
By the time Tejas MK2 enters serial production in 2029, china will already have a squadron of 6th generation fighters and even pakistan will have a squadron or 2 of 5th gen fighters and MRFA tender will still be going on, that's the sad reality
India should go for procuring another 36 rafale and 114 euro fighter typhoon from the mrfa project. This will enhance Indian airforce power and give an edge over chinese in technology
A 100%. Give the control of the Aircraft development to Airforce. Give it as a pilot project and keep checks and balances in place by regularly reviewing the progress. I believe that is a sure shot way of achieving self reliance in Aircraft manufacturing and development.
I think India should buy Su-57 to show the western countries, if they do not accelerate their production to assist India or help its indigenous programs India will lean towards Russia. This will also be a stop gap measure until we get our own advanced fighters.
Don't worry, this is just a model. China is only a developing country, so it is impossible to have such high technology. India is a superpower in Asia. India's brilliant fighter can easily beat j20, and India is still 20 years ahead of China.
I agree India is for behind. In the meantime China may disintegrate. The way Chinese leader is purging his military leaders it may break under its own weight
The suggestion to get the Airforce as a key stakeholder for heading projects (Tejas Mk2 & AMCA) should be accepted for sure. That being said, for Tejas Mk2, a proper timeline for induction, production and delivery should be discussed by HAL with IAF. For eg. Oct 2025- Roll Out Oct 2026- First Flight Oct 2028- Orders (120 Tejas Mk2) Oct 2029- IOC Induction Oct 2031 (T+3)- FOC Induction IAF shall request HAL to complete Tejas Mk1A production (including 97 additional Tejas Mk1A) by mid 2031- For that HAL will have to ramp up its production to 24 Aircrafts Per Annum atleast. Tejas Mk1A and Tejas Mk2 are very essential for the IAF as they will not only replace Mig 21 but also replace Jaguars and Mirage 2000 by mid 2030s. People who say skip Tejas Mk2 don't understand that without Tejas Mk2, there won't be any AMCA. Tejas Mk2 is the bridge to AMCA. China started producing J20 and J31 after completing production of J10 and J16 which are 4-4.5 gen. fighters.
@vaimurthy I have not missed that. Actually according to the timeline provided by ADA, they have mentioned prototype testing to be completed within 2 years after first flight, scheduled by mid 2026 followed by induction in 2029. I have on the other hand taken 5 years of Testing (including IOC) between mid 2026 and mid 2031.
@@advaityachandhoke1406 Normally after first flight prototype testing takes 5 - 7 years. There is a reason for that. That is also the reason that they usual make 4 - 5 prototypes. For me 2025 - prototype out 2026 - first flight 2031 - testing complete 2032- order placed 2035 - first jet rolled out If this happens, then it itself miracle
Listen to Elon Musk. Spend $5 billion extra on drones missiles and radar. We don't have the infrastructure for modern engine(large aircraft) manufacture. No engine no aircraft. Also invite and have him produce drones in India!!!!
The fighter jet programs need Indian space agency kind of management. Put all Jet programs and procurement under direct PM. This removing unnecessary bureaucratic hurdles
I don't know what the govt and kadi ninda is doing. We have neither the quantity nor the quality to match china. china will still take a few years to test, perfect and induct their 6th gen fighters. This will be the last time window we have. We must complete our AMCA, Tejas 2, indegenous engines, etc before time to not miss this time window. Also, start conceptualizing, designing, making the 6.5 gen fighters as soon as amca is ready. Make sure iaf places a big order for amca so as to make multiple production lines for amca and induct atleast 1000 amcas because the chinese are also going to induct 1000 j 20s. We must execute GE f414 deal asap with 100% tech transfer. Throw money at USA or France or Russia for the jet engine technology. Also keep working on our indegenous engine. Make all the necessary infrastructure for it.
Yes! Indian Airforce must be placed as the incharge of all the initiative of India's Fighter Jet Programmes moving authorities away from the Bureaucratic control! As only the Airforce understands the urgencies of Fighter Jet Development far better than the Bureaucracy.
Indian government should start highering students from IIT and IISC at higher package so that talent doesn't go outside and build young team out it. It may take 5-6 years but they will start producting results and build the path for future
@jimmylam9846 one video doesn't prove anything, building ecosystems is important. once tasks assigned people learn it especially bright students from IIT they will learn fast. Currently the motivation among indian students is money , gov should provide them and they will do it
Modi... Chai vala se chaval vala hogaya. Exporting rice to bengladesh. Meanwhile China silently achieving their goals through hardwork and strong determination.
The Internal Weapons bay on AMCA is too small for 6th generation standards. Ideally it should carry atleast 6 Long Range Air to Air missiles, and capacity should be over 2500 kg internally. And also the Tail wings increase the RCS a lot.
Yes but need to fast-track thepwnding programmes need more private players and gain expertise india can also procure some su 57 aircrafts and ask Russia's help in technologies and other aeronautical companies to involve in these programmes nobeed Tejas mark 2 concentrate in amca 5 th and 6 th gen aircraft patents and tedbf programmes because Tejas can't compete with heavy stealthy fighters
I strongly believe that we will have fully operational 5th gen by 2035, forget about 6th gen, atleast the pace has picked up in last 5 years but we are still way behind our neighbors.
While we're stuck with Tejas MK2 By 2029 China could create 7 th gen fighter jet. How??? Strong Funding, Large Industrial testing of Different essential components, Strong commitment by the Govt, zero hesitation by the Military on choosing What is needed
Change the design of Tejas Mark 2 and make it like SU-75, Because all 4.5 generation fighters are retired in the year 2050. So if we make 4.5 generation fighters in 2030 then we again create fighter jets generation gap.
All hell is broken as far as IAF aquisition of 114 fighter jets for ruling regime has literally slept on this core issue. Feku jaychand are so busy in ED, CBI raids on opposition leadaders to shut them up from criticism of core issues.
Because they have experience of 1500 years on how to surrender without fight. Arabs, Turks, Afghans, British and finally to India. whenever someone came all Pakistan did was to surrender. No one can beat them on this.
Problem HAL mein nahi hai. HAL ko government company banake rakhne mein hai. Free organizations from mandatory recruitment under SC/ST/OBC quota. Let merit be the judge of it.
What's Your Opinion : "India can leapfrog to 35 Tonne 6th Gen Fighter with AMCA foundation" ?
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Pehle Tejas mk1a time pe deliver to Kar de HAL fir leap karna 6 GEN tak 😂
With American engine, amca future is doubtful and they talking about 6th gen😂
It’s always the engine factor which comes in. With engine technology you can simply design and manufacture any aircraft(be it fighterjet, bomber , UCAV) and ADA is capable of that. It was an eye opener way back during Hal Marut days and our IAF never learnt its lesson. It’s high time India expedites the engine devt programme. 2024 being the navy year , 2025 must be airforce year to reinforce the balance of power with PLAAF + PAF combined
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The common flaw in leapfrog strategies is they always assume the other leapfrogs aren't also leapfrogging during a superpower arms race - so proceed with Make In India MRFA that has 3 5G Prime contractors and 4 5G Subcontractors with most or all also 6G - to build out the domestic 4G foundation along with a few others required for any advanced G - as per iCET...
"Will," "Plan," and "Going to" are keywords in India.
@@ethanzhong5717 a youtube superpower, everything on PowerPoints
只要…将来…一定…😂
五代機都還沒有就要研發六代機了，印度在我心中是最強大的國家
The most stupid country . Indian talented engineers are good under the supervision of White man only .
@@blitzday 🤣🤣
如果中国出了八代机，阿三就敢直接上七代机， 造出来造不出来不管，PPT和模型必须有。
是啊，繼續取笑你們這些紙老虎（你們的六代飛機也是紙飛機，你知道，全世界都知道）。你的黃熱病現在已經發作了。別擔心你的業力會追上你。在文化大革命中被你們殺害的數以百萬計的同胞將會困擾著你們，他們的不良願望將會毀掉整個中國大陸。這種跡像已經開始出現了！
To be honest Indian Air Force is really lacking behind other major air powers in terms of Fighter aircrafts. We have not yet been able to produce light combat helicopter Prachand in significant numbers. Even after 20 plus years of being in development Tejas mark 1 fighter is not even in the number of 100 and we also a lacking the skills to build an engine which would be able to support our aircrafts
Everything’s put onto HAL. Work culture there is not sufficient yo challenge today’s needs. Private industry has not matured enough yet for combat aircraft
Pls don't complain, give good suggestions to improve our capabilities, or shut up pls?
Yes
Thats correct but iaf cant do much in that
Government agencies work like Lazy. We need some private Indian companies like Tata, Mahindra , L&T
Role of ghatak ucav and scaled up version of ghatak ucav must be given high priority ......as GHATAK will be the only possible stealth fighter with India till 2029 ........
Fighter nehi wo small bomber hai.
I am not sure what DRDO doing? we need to come up with best drone, which can dominate world. it should be more advance far higher than ghatak. change defense minster if required, he is not capable,
I am not sure what DRDO doing? we need to come up with best drone, which can dominate world. it should be more advance far higher than ghatak. change defense minster if required, he is not capable,
Some places..the government sleeps and sleeps and sleeps and sleeps
They are sleeping since 1947 as usual as always. That' why india rank top on corruption index. This this country, they politicians earn 10times more than our scientists and engineers. Lol
This country remain a sleepy giant unless they got a great leader and honest prime minister ulike anpad chaiwala and pappu Italy wala
@@rohitkapoor2859 becoz Indians want free bees and vote for KHATA KHAT
@@aayushkumargupta2195 true...they want free freebies and rahul gandhi khata khat...and not asking what they did fir last 57 years...
But expect everything from one government...job, development, smart cities and every thing but not agree to pay tax
@@aayushkumargupta2195 yes, and then everything comes on those 1.8% taxpayers who pay the price for these issues
While the Chinese are testing their 6th gen fighter jets and starting to conceptualize the 7th gen, Indian are still fighting between each other about the next iteration of their outdated Tejas.
They have made their own engine we still are dependent on others for engine
@@jagadishbhatta9562 Our prestigious IITs are actually training/coaching centres to send our bright minds abroad.
We prefer to boast and then mock China...makes us feel a lot better.
@@jagadishbhatta9562 reverse engineered russian engine.. Anyway they were successful in manufacturing it.
India isn't China's competitor, they're playing against US, they don't care about India, which is why they agreed to ratchet down tensions, they want to go after Taiwan and South China sea
Testing 6th gen? When did they build 6th gen jet
India needs exclusive infrastructure other than HAL which should concurrently follow the development of Tejas mk 2 and AMCA so as to initiate production without further delay.
Agree, need HAL like giants as described in the vdo..
Adani sb karene ko tyr hoga lekin jihdi commie xombi isk virodh karenge...baki industrialists heavy profits mangenge
No need just give more funds to HAL to hire more people and build more factories. Learn from China and properly used state owned companies.
No other entity in India has the capability, India asked private companies to join in, but they didn't have the capability to do it
@@SafavidAfsharid3197 Why would government give more funds to HAL when it is PSU. Private players are expecting funds from government and will deliver faster than HAL.
Indian friends, I am Chinese, very objectively say that your Indian Air Force is the first in Asia, and the Chinese 6th generation aircraft in the video is a kite made of paper.
@@blume5736 飞机就是假的，印度朋友不要觉得不如中国，你们依旧是亚洲第一强国
I agree, Chinese authority media never admited those were 6th warfighters
@@raymondw5787 军方发言人：如果大家觉得这些不过瘾，我们还可以继续放更过瘾的……
@@miaoyanfeng yes， All of them are J-10 modifications. India has the smartest people, and the only one who can compete with India is the space power South Korea
@@raymondw5787Yes, they are just paper planes. The only country on Earth that can compete with India is the space power South Korea. India is a developed country that surpasses South Korea
REMEMBER folks the first flight we're talking about, depends upon engine availability and that is dependent on so called foreign collaboration which hasn't happened yet so add 3 more years which include selecting that foreign partner+ bureaucracy+ actual engine manufacturing+ delivery. AMCA coming in 2029
@@rohitpol1109 AMCA Mk-1 will be powered by General Electric F-414 to be manufactured in India under 80% technology transfer!! AMCA Mk2 will be powered by the jointly developed 120kn engine...
Yep - and that 1st AMCA.2 flight will only be one of several planned 5G tech demonstrators - not 4.5G AMCA.1 that's ORCA and TEDBD not yet funded - with current 15000crore AMCA funding compared to planned 14000TEDBF funding an indicator of how 5G AMCA.2 will be...
Yep - and that 1st AMCA.2 flight will only be one of several planned 5G tech demonstrators - not 4.5G AMCA.1 that's TEDBF not yet funded - with current 15000crore AMCA funding compared to planned 14000crore TEDBF funding an indicator of how 5G AMCA.2 will be...
98kN Make In India F414 planned for Tejas.2 then TEDBF will be uprated to 116kN F414EPE for 5G AMCA.2 until proven worthy of a multibillion$ 5G engine ...
Note - that J36 is also only a 6G blended delta wing airframe tech demonstrator - with 3 x 4G WS10 or maybe 4G WS15 engines...
6th gen offer looks good.
India shouldn't work with other countries unless full ToT is included, otherwise, India is just putting in money, but getting nothing out of it, the other nation will learn everything and India will be left behind
China : fighter jet , manufacturing
USA : AI , good universities
India: jai bhim 👍
India : ramu ki jai 😂
The age of Manu the law giver is over. Now it's the age of Bhim the lawgiver. Deal with it.
Lower castes have cried for a 1000 years. It's only fair that you cry for atleast a 100.
Also jai shree ram 🤡💀
In indian Universities still young 50 years old scholers study 😂BA, MA phd,
Madrassa Chaap katwa .. Do you know NASA, Microsoft, Google, IBM, Oracle, Boeing all giants recruit from Indian IIT grads? USA grads cannot define Woman!! Bharat lacks on def manufacturing due to corrupt politicians, Bureaucrats and Def officials and keeping poor, inefficient state factory control as monopoly on def projects.
Condition of our air force is depressing😢
@@Ati-Maharathi yes sir very depressing world working on 6th gen but we r working and struggling on 4 th gen tejas ..no news of amca
Same situation in both army and navy too😂
@@arnavanand9257At least we tested hypersonic missiles (the US doesn't have those) but yeah 😢 we are behind
印度是世界超级大国，军事超级大国，武器研发超级大国，科技超级大国。经济超级大国
Developing fighter jets without jet engines is just baffling
india should focus on floating shrine
If USA had same 6th gen jets then they would have said china hacked our 6th gen data. Hypocricy😂
Exactly. Now they have nothing so saying USA and china are on the same level in technology in place of accepting that china went ahead in technology
Wow! someone has an agenda that isn't about India....
@@FlyingTiger.2 What is there about India? Other than boasting of what we are about to do and going to do, yet no results to back it up.
Don't always compare with China, walk with your own road. India hv to rebuild infrastructure & industry.
India is doing well enough now, and the Silicon Valley of the United States is almost becoming the Silicon Valley of India. It is only a matter of time before India becomes a world power as long as it persists in its present path.
India cant even built their own 3th gen jets...
All the problems can be solved..if Nirmala tai..allocate 2.25-2.5 % of GDP towards defense..to develop military industrial complex...Tata boeing can offer F15EX..
Reliance group can manufacture Rafale..at its facilities..
Or allocate more funds to HAL to fast-track production and development of future jets..
Bhai 4th generation se aage badh ab 5th generation or 6th generation ki baat kar 2025 aa Jayega 2 din mai
India ko all types of drone or hyperosnic ke all varients mai speed up karna hoga kaam ko 6th generation ke program mai judd jana chhiye ab japan, Italy ke sath
But education expenditure has come down to 2% in 2024 from 4% in 2014 😂😂😂
@@proudindian3582 bhai sb pensioners kha jate h
@@shivnegi6614 pensioners nhi.. freebies...
@@ritzd9604 Education is not needed. We prefer sending our bright minds abroad. IITs are actually coaching centres to send our bright minds abroad. Why work here when they can get a fat paycheck abroad?
I always think that India is the most powerful country in the world, absolutely the #1.
Korea No. 1❤
Then what is the issue to approve private competitor
Because China use state owned companies not private companies with large profit margins.
Our opposition
No private companies came forward for AMCA, they're asking minimum 300 jet guarantee order, and 30% profit margin,
What if private company develop jet and IAF didn't buy,
Entire R&D money will go....
private competitors are allowed. Nobody is coming forward.
No private companies can do it, they don't have the capability
Never give up your local fighter program, keep going, learning g tech, fir safety, do buy like Rafael , SU 57. Vested interests will not like India to make aircraft locally .
SU 57 is not stealth at a radar crosssection of .5 sq. Mtrs vs F-35 is 0.0015 sqm. No competition.
@@Here4Now ok then, buy the F35 or make a better fighter. But you can't, you can't even make a 4th generation fighter or build your own engine, the SU57 is battle tested against patriot and 4th generation fighters and you don't even have your own test facility.
Bahut hi achi news.
If Pakistan can enter into a military alliance with Bangladesh, can't India announce a similar pact with Taliban offering them assistance to modernize their armed forces whilst also equipping them with a credible airforce to deal with threats from Pak?
You could if you wanted to give the weapons away for free.😂😂😂
That may be an invitation to more sanctions, imagine if Pak's other dad (Amrika) gets annoyed and delays critical equipment like the F404 for longer..
Sure.. invade and occupy Kabul for few years and then run away leaving your military equipment.
@chillxxx241 if the weapons are meaningfully used to tighten the screws on Pakistan, then why not?
@@Markanimation-t2v because there's no point making peace with jihad fi sabilillah.
At this point with how late AMCA will be already and given that we've barely just begun its R&D, it should be reinvisioned to incorporate as many sixth gen technologies as possible even if it takes a bit longer, while an interim order for the Su-57M with flat nozzle AL51s is made to cover the fifth gen need on shorter order. Forget the MRFA, useless to spend 20-30 billion on fourth gen now. Tejas variants are still needed to affordably fill numbers, future variants should incorporate as many LO features as they affordably can such as serrated edges which china is also doing on its fourth gen now.
Please disclose some more INCREDIBLE news i.e. 10th gen jets before end of 2030.
.....or India could claim the flying objects over the East coast of Uass were INDIAN 10th G.
Lets make a video about how Tejas mk1 is better than f22...
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Sorry we are sensible people we know the limitations of Tejas unlike you guys who says jf17 is better than F22 😊
Hypersonic
Nuclear
Radar
Drone
Laser
Why is HAL the only contracted company for military aviation 🤔
Like other superpowers have 2 or more manufacturers in the military aviation industry:
Russia: Tupolev (they are the experts in bombers), Sukhoi and Mikoyan-Gurevich (MiG)
USA: Lockheed-Martin, Northprop-Grumann, Boeing and more
China: Chengdu and Shenyang
European Union: Dassault aviation, Airbus, BAE systems, SAAB (although these can develop aircraft independently, the countries they are based in do joint development which results in collaboration between these companies to develop aircraft e.g. Eurofighter typhoon)
If hal lacks skill
India has no other platform 😂
PVT sector can bring foreign talent.. at the price govt can't give.. learn from the history of Marut (first Indian fighter aircraft), they just bought guess 1 German guy. If later defence industry did NOT succumb to socialism and corrupted deals then, we would have been ahead of china by now for sure..
Jai Hind 🇮🇳🇮🇳
幻术の世界には何が悪いのか。現実はあまりにも残酷だ。
HAL should include an arrangement to involve I.I.T
Kanpur in engine development
These official's are still in dream land. They obviously rely on american engines for all fighter jet programs. And that american company doesn't have any willingness in giving engines to india on time. Since this is the reality, why are they acting as if fighter jets will be ready very soon. Why cant they shift their focus on kaveri engine project and fasten the development process of it?
India wil keep saying but never do just buy SU-57 from Russia we can't wait for amca, until amca wil be delivered til then China and Pakistan wil have 7th or 8th generation fighter jets
Boasting of what we are about to do is far more easier than producing results.
Tejas Mk2 is still in drawing board.
9th as well.Perhaps 10th also.
印度要被他们自己拖入军备竞赛了😂
Yes, India can leapfrog to 6th G, but that's only happen in PPT and dream for sure.
以印度的研发能力直接跨越研发7代机
One of the biggest mistakes of IAF was to go with “single engine” fighters. Had they gone for dual engines then the current Kaveri engines would have been enough for MK1A and MK2.
The fact of the matter is that India cannot fully independently manufacture stable rifle cartridges, including equipment
Yes I agree on that remove burocratic control and gave control to IAF officials for fast procurement s ................
Vandematram
HCL and other gov defence comp has really frustrated..
HAL
When india is in urgent need of fighter jets, why is it so that the first flight of Tejas mk2 in 2026 and production starts from 2029.
Without computers Russia and the USA produced different aircraft from scratch to air in the 4 yrs of ww2. Thousands of Aircraft.
@@kishoreannavajjhala9432 We are sitting on the file for 114 MRFA for the last ten years ,without deciding .
@@kishoreannavajjhala9432 those are outdated jets. Anyone can make those in short time. They didn't have sophisticated tech in those jets at that time.
Because social media users panicked, we cannot produce jet in 1 year. There is a process to build a jet and it takes years. Only thing is HAL is super lazy
@vaimurthy yes that is the point!!!. All the people here know that ecil,hal etc have never produced one ground breaking or state of the art product in 50 years
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Jai Hind 🇮🇳
😂😂😂 kya roj yahi likhne se hamare program charge up ho jayenge
😂😂 @@knowlegdewithjoy1610
Jai Hind Vande Mataram 🧡🤍💚
Are their no private player's interested in showcasing their tech to the Indian army, airforce and navy like some others have.
I think it's due to funds issue as companies don't want to put there money on r&d and just want to
Manufacture by tot.
You know they just want to make profits.
Also big lobby for import is there. What can small fry companies do?
Most private players want a quick return on their investments. The huge cost, long gestation periods for developing aircraft, then testing and certification deters most.
@@aadityarajthakur2330 Because that is how they learn know how. You expect them to invest in a project where they lack experience?
@@vaimurthy see whatever they are doing is according to their plans and business, I am no one to judge , for example in recent years adani dristi drone and tatas with Collab to airbus is a great initiative. In this way they will learn something and may apply in future products.
And I answered to the above question why private firms don't bring there own products, it's just because funds.
This too shall pass.
India must allow indian private companies to make 6th generation fighter jets
They don't have knowledge or technology
I think HAL is under resourced with manpower, skills, technical knowhow to meet the airforces current threat levels in providing aircraft that can stand its ground against the PAKs and Chinese ,therefore to be realistick the Indian Air Force should procure 5th and Sixth generation fighters from foreign suppliers and let HAL carry on with its developments and who knows maybe they will get lucky and deliver something in the next 10 years as it has taken 40 years to develop a jet engine that cannot be fitted to the Tejas because it is under powered, have they not learnt about reverse engineering 😊
Nice video
Why we still focusing on Tejas MK2?
Becuase PPT won't fly
Jai hind
India's amca flight 2100 ✌
High time Private players like Tata, Mahindra and then Reliance/Adani etc join the defence sector as major full on manufacturers for aircrafts. Plus start the commercial aircraft and engine companies. We have more than enough capability to have our own giants.
Its the same for our Submarine building facilities too....Currently we have only one building facility while we need at least 3..🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴
Did not understand how HAL only relied on American engines and we need to have some private players.
The Ministry of defense should take strict action with Hal.
By the time Tejas MK2 enters serial production in 2029, china will already have a squadron of 6th generation fighters and even pakistan will have a squadron or 2 of 5th gen fighters and MRFA tender will still be going on,
that's the sad reality
Pakistan army training bangladeshi army on how to surrender quickly 😂😂😂
India should go for procuring another 36 rafale and 114 euro fighter typhoon from the mrfa project. This will enhance Indian airforce power and give an edge over chinese in technology
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A 100%. Give the control of the Aircraft development to Airforce. Give it as a pilot project and keep checks and balances in place by regularly reviewing the progress. I believe that is a sure shot way of achieving self reliance in Aircraft manufacturing and development.
Airforce chief's tenure should be fixed to 3 to 5 years, so that they could work on same objective for a longer period.
Finally a comment that makes sense
Jai Hind Jai Bharat Mata ki 🇳🇪🍇🌼🙏🏻
I think I can give India an honest piece of advice: don't waste your money and time on anything other than bragging.
I think India should buy Su-57 to show the western countries, if they do not accelerate their production to assist India or help its indigenous programs India will lean towards Russia. This will also be a stop gap measure until we get our own advanced fighters.
china : 6th gen fighter
india : beti padhao , nanni pari , pink land , wow gondi said no fight
2025 and 2026 very important years mk1a , mk2 and 5.5 , 6 th gen fights release or tight increase border security's.
Don't worry, this is just a model. China is only a developing country, so it is impossible to have such high technology. India is a superpower in Asia. India's brilliant fighter can easily beat j20, and India is still 20 years ahead of China.
China is most powerful country from 5000BC
@@淼陈-s5c the irony is good 😂
The irony is good 😂
I agree India is for behind. In the meantime China may disintegrate. The way Chinese leader is purging his military leaders it may break under its own weight
我是中国人，印度的确领先中国30年，中国的六代机确实是一个外壳欺骗西方发达国家的。在我们中国人心中，印度才是世界的老大超级大国
The suggestion to get the Airforce as a key stakeholder for heading projects (Tejas Mk2 & AMCA) should be accepted for sure.
That being said, for Tejas Mk2, a proper timeline for induction, production and delivery should be discussed by HAL with IAF.
For eg.
Oct 2025- Roll Out
Oct 2026- First Flight
Oct 2028- Orders (120 Tejas Mk2)
Oct 2029- IOC Induction
Oct 2031 (T+3)- FOC Induction
IAF shall request HAL to complete Tejas Mk1A production (including 97 additional Tejas Mk1A) by mid 2031- For that HAL will have to ramp up its production to 24 Aircrafts Per Annum atleast.
Tejas Mk1A and Tejas Mk2 are very essential for the IAF as they will not only replace Mig 21 but also replace Jaguars and Mirage 2000 by mid 2030s.
People who say skip Tejas Mk2 don't understand that without Tejas Mk2, there won't be any AMCA. Tejas Mk2 is the bridge to AMCA.
China started producing J20 and J31 after completing production of J10 and J16 which are 4-4.5 gen. fighters.
You missed important step which is prototype testing which will take 5 - 7 years.
@vaimurthy I have not missed that. Actually according to the timeline provided by ADA, they have mentioned prototype testing to be completed within 2 years after first flight, scheduled by mid 2026 followed by induction in 2029.
I have on the other hand taken 5 years of Testing (including IOC) between mid 2026 and mid 2031.
@@advaityachandhoke1406 Normally after first flight prototype testing takes 5 - 7 years. There is a reason for that. That is also the reason that they usual make 4 - 5 prototypes.
For me
2025 - prototype out
2026 - first flight
2031 - testing complete
2032- order placed
2035 - first jet rolled out
If this happens, then it itself miracle
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Yes IAF should take leadership role for development and deployment !
@ That will also work…
If hypersonic missiles can shoot down 6th gen fighters, is there any need to splurge on 6th gen fighters aircrafts?
Listen to Elon Musk. Spend $5 billion extra on drones missiles and radar. We don't have the infrastructure for modern engine(large aircraft) manufacture. No engine no aircraft. Also invite and have him produce drones in India!!!!
The fighter jet programs need Indian space agency kind of management. Put all Jet programs and procurement under direct PM. This removing unnecessary bureaucratic hurdles
Hopefully we get the engines on time, else all the time lines for the aircraft rollout will be on paper
Suddenly Indians have developed 6th gen fighters.
@@euclidmegara2352 haven't you seen comma
just as everyone predicted ... other nations will be operating 6th gen fighter when India gets 5th gen
I don't know what the govt and kadi ninda is doing. We have neither the quantity nor the quality to match china. china will still take a few years to test, perfect and induct their 6th gen fighters. This will be the last time window we have. We must complete our AMCA, Tejas 2, indegenous engines, etc before time to not miss this time window. Also, start conceptualizing, designing, making the 6.5 gen fighters as soon as amca is ready. Make sure iaf places a big order for amca so as to make multiple production lines for amca and induct atleast 1000 amcas because the chinese are also going to induct 1000 j 20s. We must execute GE f414 deal asap with 100% tech transfer. Throw money at USA or France or Russia for the jet engine technology. Also keep working on our indegenous engine. Make all the necessary infrastructure for it.
Yes! Indian Airforce must be placed as the incharge of all the initiative of India's Fighter Jet Programmes moving authorities away from the Bureaucratic control! As only the Airforce understands the urgencies of Fighter Jet Development far better than the Bureaucracy.
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Indian government should start highering students from IIT and IISC at higher package so that talent doesn't go outside and build young team out it. It may take 5-6 years but they will start producting results and build the path for future
I saw a video by IIT (?) showing a robo-dog they built just pathetic ! A 12-year-old student in China could take the task...
@jimmylam9846 one video doesn't prove anything, building ecosystems is important. once tasks assigned people learn it especially bright students from IIT they will learn fast. Currently the motivation among indian students is money , gov should provide them and they will do it
@@algorithmsanddatastructure3701 哈哈😂
@@起航-r3w i think some people ass is burning trying to hide it with laugh LOL
Modi... Chai vala se chaval vala hogaya. Exporting rice to bengladesh. Meanwhile China silently achieving their goals through hardwork and strong determination.
0.35 sec it's right words
Oh yes now we are concerned of Chinese threat because we were sleeping for 10 years
I heard that China will not sell any j35 to Pak unless India has 5th gen jets. not sure if it is true.
@@dadforever5049 可能是属实的，虽然中国已经试飞了第6代战机，但对于全球绝大多数国家的技术水平和经济实力来说，它们连制造5代机甚至4代机都很困难，在这种环境下，中国若向巴基斯坦出口5代机，必然会导致该地区的军事平衡被打破，并有可能会引发新一轮的军备竞赛以及各种连锁式的冲突产生，这是中国政府不愿看到的，即使巴基斯坦与中国关系非常良好，即使军售有大的利润可图，但中国政府还是会慎重考虑出口5代机事项，当然，这并不具有绝对的可能性，如果印度军事实力发展在某一时期超过巴基斯坦太多，亦或是对中国有新的、大的军事动向时，中国有可能会选择向巴基斯坦少量出口5代机，中国希望的只是印巴之间的军事平衡并在中印边境地区保持和平状态，这需要强于对手几个等级的军事技术实力作为支撑，以形成震慑，正所谓“不战而屈人之兵”，如今的中国的确做到了这点。
@@dadforever5049 the current set up is that they will sell a batch of 40 J35. Some news outlets pointed towards a figure closer to 80.
Focus on drones
!!!!! Hats of to Turkey as they did. Musk asking America to concentrate on drones.... thousands of them.
The Internal Weapons bay on AMCA is too small for 6th generation standards. Ideally it should carry atleast 6 Long Range Air to Air missiles, and capacity should be over 2500 kg internally. And also the Tail wings increase the RCS a lot.
MK1A has 3500KG payload capacity. MK2 has 6500 KG payload. So your calculation of 2500 is not correct
@vaimurthy I'm talking about internal weapons not external
America and Europe and also India be like 😂😂😂
Yes but need to fast-track thepwnding programmes need more private players and gain expertise india can also procure some su 57 aircrafts and ask Russia's help in technologies and other aeronautical companies to involve in these programmes nobeed Tejas mark 2 concentrate in amca 5 th and 6 th gen aircraft patents and tedbf programmes because Tejas can't compete with heavy stealthy fighters
Engine manufacturing partnership.
Listening form past 2 year.
I strongly believe that we will have fully operational 5th gen by 2035, forget about 6th gen, atleast the pace has picked up in last 5 years but we are still way behind our neighbors.
While we're stuck with Tejas MK2 By 2029 China could create 7 th gen fighter jet. How??? Strong Funding, Large Industrial testing of Different essential components, Strong commitment by the Govt, zero hesitation by the Military on choosing What is needed
Change the design of Tejas Mark 2 and make it like SU-75, Because all 4.5 generation fighters are retired in the year 2050. So if we make 4.5 generation fighters in 2030 then we again create fighter jets generation gap.
All hell is broken as far as IAF aquisition of 114 fighter jets for ruling regime has literally slept on this core issue. Feku jaychand are so busy in ED, CBI raids on opposition leadaders to shut them up from criticism of core issues.
WE NEED
BAL & IAL along with HAL
Bharat aeronautics ltd
India aeronautics ltd
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Pakistani army is training Bangladesh how to surrender efficiently as possible 😂
Because they have experience of 1500 years on how to surrender without fight. Arabs, Turks, Afghans, British and finally to India. whenever someone came all Pakistan did was to surrender. No one can beat them on this.
Yindia supoopower by 2021
Problem HAL mein nahi hai. HAL ko government company banake rakhne mein hai. Free organizations from mandatory recruitment under SC/ST/OBC quota. Let merit be the judge of it.
Air force should be incharge of everything not bureaucracy.
feed ur ppl frist.. I was visit Mumbai for business trip month ago. I literally saw the homeless ppl lives in a tent in the MIDDLE of BUSY ROAD...