@@inquisitivemind007 Quizzy, come on, you know better than that. The Prophet ascending to heaven is a miracle. History in the West is determined by probability. Western historians do not consider miracles when deciding what happened in the past because miracles are by DEFINITION, the least probable occurrences. I do not make a HISTORICAL argument that the Prophet ascended into heaven; it is based upon conviction in his truthfulness. But revisionists who peddle the Petra theory ARE making a historical argument. A historical argument that, like your so-called "Inquisitive Mind," is total garbage. Finally, I do not deny that Solomon's Temple was built at that spot. ??? Come one Quizzy, get with the program. This is embarrassing.
My favorite thing about these talks is how curious you are Derek! It's very very refreshing to see someone who is curious and whose main agenda is to figure out what the hell happened before trying to ask why. You never ask what it signifies about "us being better" (or about "them being worse"). You have a very non judgemental curiosity about these topics and I really resonate with that.
How is having a lot of children a sign of insecurity? There are people who are family oriented, and want a big family. I agree with your first sentence though.
@@yesnomaybeso5755 Only that bringing a new life into this existence is at best, presumptuous.... at worst, evil. What manner of GOD complex is this to so thoughtlessly and carelessly fling a new life into being? What will is it that decides that this is a good idea? Live your life - don't impose it on another, for every cradle is a grave. The greater courage is voluntary human extinction.
@@dtrez3866 Christian’s used to have big families too. It’s now in modern times that the family size has been reducing, because of certain propaganda. Modern day media influence is destroying the family model. Whether you want a big family or not. It is evident that media is hostile against the idea of a stable healthy family.
Wonderful episode. Please bring this guest back regularly. I studied Arabic, was a muslim (convert) for 30 years, but I learnt so much today! Keep up the good work!
👋 Hi me too.It would be great to swap notes. ☺️ I was also a Muslim convert for 20years from my late teens to early 40’s and have studied Arabic and Islamic history. I recently distanced myself from brand Islam and delighted to find Derek’s sincere approach to understanding real Islamic history and scholarship. It’s so refreshing and is leaps and bounds ahead of anything else I have found out there and certainly anything I have seen in the Arab speaking or muslim world.
Islam is not in need of you. There were many people who left Islam in the time of the Prophet, but Islam never stopped growing. Even there two Muslims in the entire world, that wouldn't matter.
@@misswarda78 More than an hour ago I asked question from you why you being a woman, having converted to Islam for 2O years, studied Arabic and Islamic history now distancing from Islam. Sadly RUclips did not post it. By reading the hostility towards you I can imagine why so. Stay safe specially being a woman.
Christian agenda...there's no such thing either you love LORD GOD OR YOU DONT. ONLY ISLAM HAS AN AGENDA THEY ARE USING COLLEGE STUDENTS THIS VERY MINUTE
Arabs created the Quran by compiling the pre-Islamic Arabic literature derived mostly from Syro-Aramaic lectionaries, homilies, hymnals & folklores of eastern churches in 7th century middle-east. They also borrowed heavily from the Jewish Talmud, which was also being compiled around the same time & place as the Quran i.e.. 7th century lower Mesopotamia. Islam began as an anti-trinitarian Arab Christian sect promoted by Arab empire.
Problem is you dont have artifacts of him from his time. That's a problem. The coins from his time are more Christian, or Gnostic. We don't find inscriptions of him from his supposed time.
57:00 Instead of bieng the sons of God, they are the slaves of God who can never argue or discuss their fate. People would rather be the slaves of Muhammad to fight wars only.
I got a very different impression from the Robert Spencer book, which suggests there is nothing for decades. I know Spencer has an axe to grind, but is his book dishonest or just a more skeptical view of the same evidence?
@Constantine Mithras I've read his books & he is not a missionary. Not even close to correct. He is a scholar & if you can refute his findings, please do so. Just throwing out insults makes your argument look weak.
@Constantine Mithras lol so you got 8 of your own accounts to like your comment? Let's see who gave you the likes in that comment? John Wick Paul Tarsus Constantine Tarsus Bruce Wayne John Wayne Jason Bourne Constantine Mithras Paul Mithras that's 8 of your many accounts, damn, you get busy making all these accounts don't you?
@Constantine Mithras No, he is claiming to have a PhD. I have no reason to doubt his credentials. You are the one questioning them. Do an online search of him or ask him directly. You are the one making the claim so this is up to you. You simply don't like what you are hearing. Sorry, but it is not just this doctor but dozens of scholars finding the truth about Islam.
I am amazed at your depth of knowledge on Islam. It was a real PhD you have earned with hard labour. As a muslim, I also learnt many things from this conversation. Just to add a little as my knowledge as muslim goes. Prophet Muhammad was orphan from his childhood and was brought up by his grandfather. He was a shepherd. Later he was employed by a rech lady of the then Arab, Bibi Khodeja to do trading of her properties from Arab to Syria. Later he got married with Bibi Khideja, though she was pretty senior by age to prophet. It is worth listening. Thanks Dr Anthony for keeping us informed of your thesis works
Do muslims question the fact Allah said😬🥶(he will help make the ”true followers” of Jesus uppermost victorius ”untill” the day of resurection) (from the time of Jesus untill resurection) Who has been the uppemost followers of Jesus since the time of Jesus untill now? The christians right? Either Allah failed to keep his promise and the wrong followers of Jesus became uppermost & islams is false bec Allah failed..😑🥶 Or the true followers of Jesus is the christians & islam is still false bec it controdicts the true Christiians😑🥶 Islamic dilemma to discribe it litely..🤔😬😰
@@bendingtrending Nah. The Christian world has become the preeminent religion of the world now but come on Islam was the biggest show in town for hundreds of years. Also from a Muslim perspective they are the true followers of Jesus.
Some scholars claim that Islam was invented to furnish an ideology to justify and keep united the Arab conquests. There are references to 622 as "the year of the Arabs" marking the defeat of the Sasanids long before its later association by the developing Islamic tradition with an alleged hijra.
Actually 622 was the date of a war between Arabs in al Hira (Iraq) with an alliance of other Arab tribes vs the Persians and the Arabs won. It’s strange that the Islamic narrative doesn’t even mention such an event
The Arabs had a whole series of sometimes crushing victories against multiple enemies including the Romans . I too read that they sought to understand why they were so blessed.
***////////⚠️⚠️ Allah's prophets are named after another GOD⚠️⚠️ Has Allah forgotten his name or is he just an IDOL!⚠️⚠️//////////**** Why is it the unforgivable sin in Islam to confess " there is only one God and this is YHWH"" The Name Jesus means------------- ***"YHWH SAVES "** Elijah means------------- --------------***" MY GOD IS YHWH"*** John means ----------------------------***" YHWH has been gracious""*** Zakariya means -----------------------***""YHWH has remembered""*** ****************are all prophets according to the Quran**************
@@hannawurst6064 Directly, Joshua means Yahweh saves. Elijah means El (Theos/Deus/Allah/God) is Yahweh. Yohan means Yahweh graces (as in favors/choses/gives) Zakariya means remember Yahweh. Muhammad changed Yahweh "I am" name to that "on instructions from Allah" as the children of Ishmael (meaning "Yahweh hears/listens/follows El/God") would now be favored over the children of Jacob/James/Diego (meaning "Yahweh the usurper/supplanter"). The plot holes thicken. But knowing the real history of these -f-a-l-s-e- religions of violence and ruin stemming as bad fruits from a bad tree of Dark Ages, we see clearly and with understanding. Saul means ask/question. Kish (Saul's father) means lure. Samuel (the priest/prophet that oiled/anointed/messiah Saul as king) means "hear/listen/follow El" Paul means small/few in Roman.
Arabs couldn’t have staged a conquest in the pre-Islamic times because they were never before that united or governed by a single entity, they were tribal. Arabia was chaotic. Islam was what stabilised it, unified it, got rid of atrocious acts like burying baby girls which many tribes did etc. and then the Muslims after unifying Arabia for the 1st time in history, freed the holy land.
@Sean Anthony: Thank you for the insights. I have watched some material by Dan Gibson where he claims that all the early qiblas point in direction of Petra and hence Mecca = Petra. I know that you are sceptical about this finding, but could you specify your criticism? Do you disagree with 1) Dan Gibsons claim on the qibla directiobs. In this case is there any academic research which contradicts the data found by DG? 2) Otherwise, an explanation needs to be found why all early qiblas point in direction if Mecca. D. King's argument that the early Arabs were incapable of aligning the qiblas accurately is not convincing since this does not explain the statistically significant and consistent alignment of the early qiblas.
At 41:43 with the question "is the Quran preserved word for word?". I didn't understand the answer of Dr.Anthony. Can anyone please elaborate about what he was saying??
I'll try _(insya Allah)_ : Quran is *FORMIDABLY* preserved through the tradition. The host (Derek) don't ask for an Explanation. Just a SIMPLE Yes or No. Allow me to explain then : Quran or any other writing of that period and region were ONLY written on Parchment, Scroll etc etc, here and there. There is NO paper technology from China yet to mass preserved it until the earliest is in the 10th-Century (Paper). The ONLY available METHOD of preservation is through a *RECITATION* (Hafazan in Arabic) from memory or as what Dr. Anthony referred it as TRADITIONS. Its practiced through the 5X prayer a day, at least. Quran is in Quranic-Arabic. The sister language of Hebrew, Aramaic, Syriac etc etc. THE MAJOR criteria of the Semitic Language is the GRAMMAR and in writing they use the ABJAD (sort of Alphabet) *WITH NO VOWEL* having a ROOT ABJAD (at least 3) for Adjective, Pronoun etc etc. The Syntax is also different form normal language. English and French only have 6 Pronouns but they has 12, complete with gender. *DUAL* pronoun ONLY existed in the Semitic language. The MOST Amazing Thing about the Semitic Language is that *THEY ONLY HAVE LESS THAN 500 ROOT-WORDS*, taking advantage of the pronouns to make it a HUGE Library of Vocabulary. The Thai Language has the most root-words, more than 200,000. *WITH LESS THAN 500 ROOT WORDS THATS ADVANTAGOEUS TO BE MEMORISED* Earliest Torah is mostly in Greek Kone (except for the Dead Sea Scroll) and its difficult to retraced it back. As for Bible, unfortunately we don't have the Original, in Aramaic. The present Arab or Jew and Bani Israel etc were practicing the respective Literature and Spoken Language, NOT the ORIGINAL or as what they called as Classical Arabic and Classical Hebrew. *THEY WERE TIED BACK THROUGH THE ABJAD, ROOT-WORD, GRAMMAR* etc. As for Quran THEY HAVE THE *TAJWEED* or proper pronunciation, enunciation, and the application of specific rules to ensure the accurate preservation. To further strengthen it they have the RASM (Official) Uthamniah for CONSISTENCY. I hope I have explained to the best of my ability. Take care
14:17 is very interesting because muslims believe Muhammad was an ummi ie unlettered but here have an early document saying he was learned in the books of Moses 57:50 shows the dualism in the Quran on what happened to Jesus 1:27:19 is just explosive
@@Gehri_soch2.0 "Ummi" doesn't mean illiterate there. It means "Gentile" (non-Jewish) prophet. That's why they claim to link him to Isaiah 42, even in old hadith traditions.
The Syriac note in a gospel of Mark, fragment on the Arab conquests. We have that original. There are more Syriac and Greek sources - though not the original documents - that talk about a certain Muhammad or Saracen prophet in the 640's.
But what is your point? Jesus did not act as political leader. He did not promote violence or conquest. He was not a rebel Zealot against Rome. He was clearly more of a philosopher/healer, similar to Essenes. He was also prophetic and referred to himself as a prophet, saying to the Rabbis that a "prophet is never recognized in his own country ".
@@Madmen604 he was under oppressed by his own people's (the jews) and later killed by the Romans. As Muslim, we believed he was saved by God not crucified. Somebody else that looks like him died on the cross. Jesus is muslim too since he teaching on monotheism. Later St Paul teach trinity.
@azmisalleh6465 Hi, yes we have some common beliefs as in monotheism and in heaven sent prophets, charity and kindness, hospitality between neighbours. "Love thy neighbour as thyself." Jesus' non violent response to colonial oppression inspired Ghandi and Martin Luther King to adopt peaceful resistance and intellectual polemic as tools for justice and peace on earth. All three were assassinated. President JFK tried to live by those commandments. He too was assassinated, and his brother too. Yes, Jesus was really crucified and died. The historians wrote about it and his followers confirmed it. I do believe Jesus was crucified and died. I believe in the resurrection. If your Prophet could ascend to heaven while still alive, how much more logical that our Prophet could ascend to heaven after death. I believe his spirit took physical form when he appeared to the apostles. Paul had no believe, but was so moved by the stories he heard that he was filled with guilt. He heard Jesus voice on the way to Damascus, he lost his sight and eventually converted. It is possible Jesus' body was removed from the tomb by his relative Rabbi Joseph of Aramathia. Jesus had two important religious relatives, both Rabbis and John the Baptist was his cousin. I watched the Chosen video series, very good fyi. Cheers
@@WelcomeToShorts1 Essenes? Yes there are some interesting ideas that fit. Maybe in his missing youth history, he lived with the Essenes, in the desert. Maybe his 40 days in the desert is a reference to the Essenes. I think there is something to it.
Some muslim scholars speculate that Dhul Qarnayn was Cyrus, The Great a Persian King, not Alexander the Great. Yet others say he was Darius another Persian king who was a monotheist.
Thanks for the subject but why don’t you bring Muslim scholars? All of your questions will be clarified. Most of your questions are trivial and so simple for regular Muslim. Many of Christians have agendas against Islam and prophet Mohammad, although many of them also are fair and just, I must say. Hope I can see in future Muslim guest such as Zakir Nike. Good luck.
this sean fella looks like the bassist in any rock band fifteen years ago. and mr mythvision looks like the lead singer of any rap-rock band twenty years ago.
If you interpret 3:55 to mean die, then , it is telling him you will die [like normal human but first you will be raised up, wa in Arabic does not indicate order
Jesus is coming back Muslim believe that too but u think Jesus ur God got killed for ur sins , he’s coming back and he’s not gonna look at today Christians
I noticed that the interviewee didn't give any dates for this Sabios person. He said that he wrote about Muhammad but when did he write? Did he write these things in the 9th century or the 10th century? We don't know. I can't find any reference to a "Sabios" on the Internet.
Mohamed tomb is a historical site that refers to the final resting place of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), the founder of Islam. The tomb, known as the Prophet's Mosque or Al-Masjid an-Nabawi, is located in the city of Medina, Saudi Arabia. The Prophet's Mosque is one of the holiest sites in Islam, and it holds significant religious importance for Muslims around the world. It serves as a place of worship, pilgrimage, and spiritual reflection for millions of Muslims who visit the site each year. The mosque has undergone several expansions and renovations throughout history, and today, it stands as a grand structure with a large courtyard, elegant minarets, and a majestic dome covering the tomb of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). The tomb area is a focal point for Muslims to offer prayers and seek blessings. The significance of the Mohamed tomb lies not only in its historical and architectural importance but also in its role as a symbol of unity and reverence for Muslims worldwide. It is a sacred place of veneration and remembrance of the beloved Prophet, and it holds a special place in the hearts of Muslims as a center of spiritual connection and devotion.
The year MUHAMMAD and the early Meccan Muslims (called: al-Muhajirin) left Mecca to Medina started the Islamic Hijrah (H) calender. It is still counting till this day.. now it is 1443H, month of Ramadan.
it is not Alexender the great u are wrong; only few old scholars said it;; it is Cyrus the great ;read meaning of quran or towards understanding the quran by Syed Abuala Moudoodi .
@@remove122 keep crying with yor theories, islam is undefeated and cannot be defeated. Prophet Muhammad saw was illiterate and no one can explian how he created the Quran because it came straight from God.
If it’s copied there should be errors and there should contradictions and difference just like you have with the many many many bibles. And another thing that debunk that claim is if you believe all that then surely you can produce a text like the Quran even try produce one as the smallest verse in the Quran. Get whoever you want to help you, you think it was many people that complied the Quran, then get many people, get many linguistic specialists, get your academics, get your professors, get your priests and your gods, get the devil and get them all to help you produce even a verse like the smallest verse in the Quran. Surely if you’re truthful you should be able to produce a verse like the quran but you will never be able too.
@@anewdayali2538 I will show you some copyist errors if you tell me first: are you an Arab speaker and reader ? Otherwise we will have a problem with textual translations.
The Prophet Muhammad was asked when the Hour would come, the Prophet said no one knew, it turned out that the questioner was Jibril in disguise, the Prophet said only God Allah knows.... Likewise, when Jesus was asked he didn't know, only his Father knew (although the words in The Bible has many words that contradict each other
What is MHMT/ MHMD? What title is it? Muhammad is the Prophet's original name. It's meaning is" praised one".You are not Dr. kafferphobia.You are sick Islamophobia.
@ you dont know what you talking , MHMD was used in the hebrew bible to talk about prophet Daniel who was the praised one, this term been around. MUHAMMAD was never MHMD lol. It just was never
@keezemojito1278 Nonsense. Mohammad is an arabic word and it is his birth name. Arab people of his time never used hebrew words while naming.If you analyse 1000 contemporary names of his time none of them is found other than Arabic names.He received revelation at age of forty.Neither he nor people around him ever had the slightest clue of his becoming a prophet. If MHMD is a title and has any resemblance to his name omniscient God must have bestowed it to him.
Contemporary Christian sources explained prophet Muhammad ( pbuh) a war lord from Hajaj ( North / central Arab) who attacked Christian villages, settlements in Arab .
Nice conversation But take a deeper look into the alternate origins of Islam. There are serious scholars who are working on this. I was surprised how he towed the orthodox line
01:33:49 What's up Doc? The Petra theory is garbage. Why? "becuase we have papyrii from Petra and stuff like that...". And? If there is no evidence in the Archeological or numismatic record for the existance of the Mother of all cities (Mecca?) up til about 750 AD then why should there not be a plausible subsitute, as Dan Gibson demonstrates? A few of his arguments: Thomas Artsruni, writing in 887 AD makes this very clear as he identifies Petra, and then he lets us know that he is speaking of Mecca, “The Mecca” he says. In the first 100 years of Islam the mosques all pointed to this city in southern Jordan. The original Ka’ba was located in the city of Petra. in front of the large building known as the Temple of Dushara, or Qasr al-Bint. from Azraqi the exact size of the Ka’ba building during Muḥammad’s lifetime. is the exact size of the original Ka’ba building as described by Azrqi. It was not square, and each side had a different length. And this foundation matches each of those lengths. And don’t forget, every mosque at this time faced this building. From east, west, north, and south every Qibla faced this building. Very strong evidence that this is the original Ka’ba, located in the city of Petra. Now today, the Temple of Dushara stands directly behind the first Ka’ba. This was the valley where Hagar wept and cried out to the Lord, because little baby Ishmael was about to die. It was in this city that she found water, in Zamzam. Before the time of Muḥammad, the people of the city were pagans. All nonsense...garbage?
Muhammad's goal was the Holy Land Q5:21 which he was facing for 17/18 months before the qibla changed to Mecca. Towards the end of his life he engaged in Zionist activities to capture the Holy Land Q5:21 as shown in the Stephen Shoemaker interview - that's why the Jews thought Muhammad was the Messiah as reported in Theopanes 817AD and why someone in the Jewish community in the mid 8th century wrote in The Secrets of Rabbi Šim‘on ben Yohai "...He shall raise up over them a prophet [Muhammad] in accordance with His will, and He will subdue the land [Israel] for them; and they shall come and restore it with grandeur..."
Prophet Muhammad’s father name was Abdullah which literally means Servant of Allah. It indicates that word Allah was existed before the advent of Islam.
I don’t know but to me Islam makes more sense than Christianity and Judaism. I didn’t investigate about Zoroastrian religion yet but so far Islam makes more sense in the concept of Monotheism, family values, brotherhood, mercy and heroism.
Islam has very questionable ideas about marriage and especially the age of consent. I don’t think it is the best religion for family values. That being said, Christians and Judaism have lots of very bad ideas of their own.
@ You’re just talking from a religious blind perspective, but when you really study Islam in a Historical and Cultural context you will realize Islam makes more sense for a better world. No wonder why in western countries the crimes rates, divorce rates and rapes rates are extremely high in comparison with the almost 0% in Muslims countries.
I really enjoyed this episode, I would like to add some information for everyone, our guest here is knowledgeable about non Muslim sources but hasn’t had the opportunity to read Muslim sources in depth and most importantly the Quran (or he has forgotten most of what he read) as it shows in the end of the conversation on the topic of apocalyptic events and the end of time. Overall good effort thumbs 👍 I would encourage you both to read the Quran if you really like books you should read it once without pre assuming.
Right at this moment, he did not speak about one of the biggest act done by Prophet Muhammad upon Hijra when he made one Mohajir the brother of one Ansar, thereby quashing ab initio the potential of a perception that Mohajirs are seen as conquerors. There is no other example in history of creating a brotherhood of this sort. 27:53
I have been teaching Comparative Religions for over 20 years. I have yet to meet a single person who studied Islam in a neutral way (without isms) and have not become a Muslim during or by the end of studies. I also, have had the honor to congratulate and sign 1009 reversion "conversion" certificates. You owe it to yourselves to learn about Islam from a practicing Muslim. Also, read the Quran it's the (Final Revelation) ❤
Yo teach comparative religion, not the underlying sciences which examine what religion is in its essence. Those blow religion apart, including Islam. I’ve studied Islam and conclude that it’s a human phenomena, in fact one which perfectly encapsulates the neurological, psychological, social and anthropological theories of why the human mind generates religion. I’ve read the Quran and see no good reason to think it’s a mashup of human ideas trying to explain reality, poorly.
Facts but the truth be told so many people lack the confidence in their own abilities that they render them self incapable and give up before they even started so they remain ignorant all their lives. But then they love to lie about being Informed and educated instead of actually being educated and informed. The idiocy they display is just outstandingly incredible
@ you retards don’t even know what copy means? Why do you imbeciles loves to talk the most with the least amount of knowledge.. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 yeahs that’s why you delusional Christian’s are the closest to idol worshipers
The newer consensus among Muslim scholars is that Dhul Qarnain is not Alexander but is rather Cyrus the great. A lot of things get explained if this is applied.
The way in which I learned more about the Quran in this 2 hour episode than I did in like 13 years of Islamic school... truly an amazing and fascinating episode. Also this academic is both so hot and so smart pls bring him back on the show again!
Even the first translation of quran was made by non-muslim. This translation encouraged moslem to study more and make the translation perfect based on real meaning in arabic language.
@@ashsuri1289 and what is "the wrong way" and who are you to call someone "not Muslim"? The days of ad hominem attacks and kafir manufacturing are over. Your brainwashing tactics and lack of logic no longer work.
People tend to give a pass on Mohamad. The fact is that he killed, tortured, and was vindictive with people he did not like and those things could not be explained away with the mores of the times. It was all politics and the theology came later. Do the history and forget about theology. I was hoping you’d talk about the political intrigues that went on around him. There were attempts on his life, his ailment and impending death, and how Omar, the second Calif, stopped him from doing his testament and what possible role his household women folk had? Two of his wives were the daughters of the first and second Calif, whereas his own daughter who came out in the strongest terms against the califs who took over immediately after his death, died mysteriously soon after, and his whole family was bypassed.
Good insight. Also it's important to mention that he explicitly married some of his wives for political bonds and ties. It's particularly interesting around aisha. She was the daughter of his bff abu bakr, after his death she had a battle with Muhammad's nephew Ali. The battle of the camels I believe. Interestingly, over 50% of authentic hadiths are attributed to aisha so it's hard to turn a blind eye to the impact and prominence aisha had ... Almost akin to a king marrying his daughter to another royal family to add on to the Empire that's being built
@@thenun1846 Marriage for political reasons was not uncommon in History as we all know, even in recent times. The modern founder of the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, King Saud, and he named the country after himself, married I don't even know how many women, and it was not because he was such a libertine but it was intended to cement political alliances. Supposedly, Fatima did not got along with her father's wives and the wives controlled what went on in the household, and she fought back at the califs in a very aggressive manner. It was clear to her how they pulled the rug from under her feet. Mohamad was a political leader foremost and the religious part was the equivalent of a modern political party dogma.
@@ahmarshaikh7427 two wrongs don't make it right. It was wrong of Western imperialism to exploit people in the middle east. It was also wrong for Muslim campaigns to conquest most of the Arabian peninsula through the sword. Both sides can acknowledge fault, but just pointing at your opponent's faults without addressing your own is a Tu Quoque fallacy
Extremely learned and unbiased scholar. Love the interview conducted in manner to receive unbiased information and not disrespect anyone's faith and values. Great show.
Regarding the ummayed mosque in Damascus, it was a roman temple and Christian church then both a church and a mosque, then when there was a big Muslim community they built another a church at another place
I think the main difference between the historicity of Jesus and muhammed is that,Jesus movement was very insignificant in the Roman empire,he was one of those few self proclaimed Messiahs hence little historical backing but in the case of muhammed he orchestrated an empire which destroyed the Romans and the Persians
The oldest biography of mohammad was written by Ibn Hisham in 833ad, that's 200 years after he died. Ibn Hisham lived1000 miles from mecca. Muslims still believe this is a reliable script
You have no knowledge or understanding about the science of chain of narrations yet you speak so ignorantly with so much confidence like you have all the knowledge
I am a Muslim, I have learned many things In this channel. Derek don't press on his guest, this is one thing why he is different from other people I have ever come across. I don't care if he believes in God or anything. That is not for me to judge but I have reall learnt alot about Islam. Our Muslim scholars made a fool of us by claiming the Qur'an has not changed for even a dot and the quran of prophet Muhammad is what we have now word by word letter. My belief now is we Muslims, Christians and Jews, all of us don't have the original book of of Torah, gospel and Qur'an. These 3 books are yet to be discovered.
I think the "elites" at the top who control society deliberately tell the population one-story to keep us ignorant/happy, while they know the truth. I have met many Muslims who were secretly Freemason/Atheists (Turks, Moroccans, Saudie, Sudani) and there is no one worshipping God inside the Vatican (Bank) in Rome. Religion is for people who don't have power.
So you respect a white scholar more than Muslims scholar. The miracle of the Quran is that people recite it and people learn the Quran orally rather than reading a book
Brother you are more fooled now than ever before,the scholars have been sincere and accurate in there assessment of the quran,it has been always known that the quran has been revealed in 7 ahruf dialects,also variations in recitations ie style,this does not change the content,you cant compare this with the bible where complete books have been added or taken away,also the prophet pbuh seerah has truly attested,if you are Muslim then stop taking your faith from non Muslims,unbiased opinions is not as unbiased as you think,and if your not muslim,then stop playing games
@@Lindaeditz8 "Truly attested"? What a joke! You have fully revealed the weakness of your position which is why all you have left are ad hominem attacks and kafir-manufacturing. Sad. Rest assured, your tactics no longer work.
IT IS TRULY AMAZING HOW DEREK LAMBERT JUST CAME OUT OF NO WHERE AND JUST BLEW RELIGION APART THE SCHOLARS HE GETS IS MIND BOGGLING BUT HE HAS YET TO SCORE FRANCESCA STAVRAKOPOULO DARN-IT THAT LAST NAME IS SO DIFFICULT
I can make a list of questions .. to ask your guests on the Petra theses, having given it a fair amount of thought, I think disqualifying the idea that Petra is a possible candidate for the origin of the Quran as bonkers (time stamp) 1.33.41 is bad scholarship, if you don't tell your audience why.
As Jay Smith points out, "Muhammad" literally means, "the praised one" and is used to describe political leaders as well as Jesus Christ. Therefore, simply finding a scribble on a page of scribbles that looks like Muhammad is very weak evidence of the Muhammad that was later developed by the Arabs as they were putting together their new empirical religion (like Rome's).
Muhammad is *NOT* Arabic, but Hebrew, acquired from his Grandfather's business venture to Syria and Jerusalem. An Adjective. Its OK if you want to name it for Jesus or your son etc.
Over the course of a year, we have listened to non-Muslim people. Do you have the audacity to host Muhammad Ali? There are many surprises and comparisons that all your guests ignore. Moreover, Muhammad Ali has studied the Bible and the Torah and will quench the curiosity of those who are eager for knowledge.
Mr Anthony was well understood and presented his stuff in a nice and cordial Wayne Worth while to check his material out in which I'll be doing. Enjoyed this episode Derek and keep up the great 2irk you've been doing!
24:05 'the Jewish tribes that were living on the outskirts of the city'. I'm baffled by this oft-quoted element in the standard account of Muhammad's life. Were these Arabic tribes who had converted to Judaism? Were they tribes of Jews who had moved to the Hijaz? Neither makes sense to me.
Judaism is not a missionary religion. There were no Arabs who converted to Judaism, but rather Jews who lived in the Arabian Peninsula. The reason for the Jews’ exodus from the Levant, which was under the control of their Persian friends, and their abandonment of the life of luxury in their holy land and their heading to the desert was their firm belief in the emergence of a prophet in this region, as the Book of Isaiah foretells the emergence of a prophet from Mount Sela, which is a mountain in Medina.
Wow brother Derek, if you are in to eschatology. I advise you look up Sh. Imran N. Husain. His book Jerusalem in the Quran is not only the only islamic book on the subject but it is also an Islamic eschatological explanation of our world today. Peace
Amazing episode, bring the dr back again, and keep delving into more material, your tenacity in pursuing the origins of religion and how they change over time depending what the civilization needed at that point of time and history, fascinating
Thank you to Sir Sean Anthony, for adding insight to us, the knowledge you give us will become good deeds and virtues that will branch out endlessly in the world... we Muslims are commanded to learn from "people of the book" from before Islam... experts who really have knowledge objective. science of facts and science, not just blind theology... true experts like historians like you we have to listen
Why doesn’t Jesus peace be upon him go inline with the other prophet in Christianity why does Islam give him the right and correct position that goes inline with all the other prophets.🤔
U guys should read the best seller's Dr. Maurice Bucaille, treatise, ' The Bible, The Qur'an and examined in the light of modern science'. yours kefli, the pirate of the Caribbean.
At that time, the term "Mohammed" was not a name, but a title for particularly revered people, especially and almost exclusively for Jesus Christ. "Mohammed" appears 4 times in the Koran and refers to Jesus Christ, but not to an alleged Arab prophet. There never was an Arab prophet, what could he have done? The Koran is plagiarized from A to Z, copied from biblical and parabiblical writings. There is nothing new in the Koran, old heretical and polemical teachings, especially Gnostic teachings. Jesus is mentioned 24 times in the Koran, there is no trace of an Arabic prophet. Jesus was the Messiah and not a prophet. Anyone who claims that Jesus was a prophet, do not understand the role of Jesus Christ. The Messiah cannot be a prophet at the same time, because the main task of a prophet is to announce the Messiah.
Good discussion. Prof. Stephen J. Shoemakers in his "Creating the qur'an" makes the case for a much later and much more dispersed origin of the qur'an. Would've been great to hear Anthony engage Shoemakers thaughts.
No mention of kaaba anywhere prior to mahamed. A local arabian tribe cult associated with kaaba where sacrifices were made. The spread of Bible traditions and views of the world spreads into the area where it was internalized. NO evidence that they considered themselves ismailites prior to islam. Everything comes from the Bible. Jesus said "I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST" and then 600 years later allah says "i am the first and the last"
Jesus was caused by the creator, he was born/incarnated. So how the heck is he the first? Flat out contradiction 😂 he said himself I am going to MY GOD and your God.
@@mersalsalem811 Are you uneducated? Know the scriptures : allah(peace be upon HER) makes the same claim that Jesus made 600 years after him : Jesus said "I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST" and then 600 yrs later allah(peace be upon HER) copies Jesus and claims 'i am the first and the last' and what was allah's claim in saying that? allah's claim was Eternal God. How can you have a second God after the original GOD?? 😂 Before mahamed was born there is ZERO allah in : HISTORY GEOGRAPHY ARCHEOLOGY LANGUAGE (arabic) SCHOLARSHIP MANUSCRIPTS THIRD PARTY CRITICS ABSOLUTELY ZERO!!! ZERO ZERO ZERO. Hmmmmm… Looks like someone(mahamed), most likely, created a pagan god to me!! 🤣
Why didn’t Abraham mention to us that god will be coming as a man called Jesus? Why is it in the different sects of Christianity you disagree on the core of your religion. Not every Christian’s and every Christian denomination believe Jesus is god, some believe he was only the son of god, some believe he was a prophet, then you go some that pray to Mary some believe she is also god. So like which one is the truth then? So which one is the word of god then? Why is it you can’t even get the rest of the Christian to believe the same core belief and message? Shouldn’t that give you more questions than answers and more doubt than certainty unless you lack intellect.
@@anewdayali2538 All that mental garbage and you didn't defend islam and the arguments that I made. All you're doing is posing more questions... This is called the muslim shuffle. Why didn't Abraham mention to us that mahamed will be the final messenger? Why didn't Abraham ever mention allah?? Why didn't Abraham speak arabic? Do you see how dumb your reasoning sounds? Why is mahamed the only guy that doesn't acknowledge GOD, as the FATHER. Consistently, the prophets before mahamed had the ONE same message that GOD(YAHWEH) was FATHER to them. Is allah a father in any sense of the word?? Now deal with the issue at hand. Jesus SAYS "I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST" and then 600 years later allah said 'i am the first and the last' What did allah mean by 'i am the first and the last'??? If that is meant as the divine eternal god then his statement is impossible because he plagarized that from JESUS. The divine claim that allah made couldn't have been done by any other before him if allah is the true god. Obviously allah is 100% fake. mahamed and his partner allah are 100% fake. Stop lacking intellect... Before mahamed was born there is ABSOLUTELY NO allah in : HISTORY GEOGRAPHY ARCHEOLOGY LANGUAGE (arabic) SCHOLARSHIP TORAH GOSPELS MANUSCRIPTS THIRD PARTY CRITICS ABSOLUTELY ZERO!!! ZERO ZERO ZERO. Hmmmmm… Looks like someone(mahamed), most likely, created a pagan god to me!!
It's such a shame Jewish and Christian scholars and academics don't study Islam beyond the basic tenants and always apply Jewish and Christian presumptions when they do go into details. The claim of Islam is that this is nothing new, this is the religion of the one true God that has always had the same basic monotheistic principles which have differed from nation to nation in minor ritualistic practice only. But over time all previous religions have been corrupted and Islam should be seen as the correction. If you apply this and approach things academically, logically, spiritually and however else you want, you will get a true understanding of Islam and God for that matter.
Derek- when he said there would be many preservation and historically critical aspects regarding the Quran that everyday Muslims would be very surprised about- THIS is what I was interested in knowing. This is the stuff that’s new and interesting!! This is what’s outside of the traditional narrative!!! Please please bring him back and get him to go in deep on these points. We need to delve into this stuff because it’s not what anyone else is doing. PLEASE!!! Great work- but please dont hold back from fear of criticism. Critical Christian scholars don’t hold back and Islamic scholars shouldn’t either..we need to get to the truth.
Oh man, why are you so obsessed with conspiracy theories?! As Anthony said, your average muslim who lives in a given community will have very simplistic view of their religion.. same goes for any other religion (or non religion for that matter). If they go and study the Quran in muslim institutions even at a basic level, they will learn everything about variant readings, foreign vocabulary of the Quran, competing codices etc...). Most of what the western academia is "discovering" now, is basically confirming the traditional muslim view on their religion. And they know it, because they cite the enormous work already done very early on by pious muslim scholars. I think the big issue of "preservation" of the Quran today is stemming from a relatively modern idea of infallibility of the text "word for word, letter for letter, dot for dot" that some fringe but very vocal muslims are promoting. If these people talk to actual muslim scholars, they will be reprimanded for being ignorant but the world now is ruled by the most successful in promoting their idea, not by the content of those ideas
All the variants are accepted as the Qur'an by the scholars. All variants are accepted in Islam by the scholars. You need to understand that variants are allowed in Islam because the Prophet Muhammad said there were variations but when they occur in the Bible the scholars inevitably have to assume corruption.
@@eatingeatingeating That’s incorrect. Islam has consistent stated that not a letter nor a dot was ever changed in the Quran. As to the Bible of course there are minor variants this is an ancient document. Manuscripts have been studied by academia for decades.
Ayesha's age at marriage has been over simplified. For example, even Jariir at-Tabari presents conflicting narrations on it. While in earlier part of his work he presents narrations of her being very young, in the same work (>History of Prophets and Kings) he has as many narrations that make her in her late teens or early twenties. Ibn Sa'd in his work (at-Tabaqaat al-Kubra) says that Ayesha was first engaged (even married!) to Jubair ibn Mu'tim ibn 'Adi, an this was about 15 years before the Hijrah to Madina. In that city the marriage to the Prophet took place in 2 AH. Furthermore at the time of the Hijraah, Asma - Ayesha's older sister by 10 years was about 28-29. This makes Ayesha around 18-19. >two years later when she married the Prophet would make her 20-21 years old. This fits with other accounts too, such as her rivalry with the Prophet's daughter, Fatimah. A well-attested fact. The Sunnis have gone for the young Ayesha as bride rather than the older oen because it's part of the standard narrative of theirs that portrays Ayesha as the very young innocent bride who was always innocent of her actions. This covers her later actions in life that can best be described as insincere. Sunni historians (Tabari, Baladhuri, Ibn Sa'd etc.) mention that she incited the people of Madina to rise up against Uthman, the 3rd caliph, when he refused her request to grant her a bigger share of the remaining inheritance from her late husband's property, i.e. the Prophet's meager material legacy, saying, "Kill the na'thal for he has sinned [ اقْتُلُوا نَعْثَلا فَقَدْ كَفَرَ ]. When the agitation in Madina started to rise against Uthman, she left for Mecca, only deciding to return after he was killed. On the way she learned that the Madinans had chosen Ali as the next ruler. Her anger immediately erupted and turned she into 'an avenger' for Uthman's blood! Umm Kilab who was with her retorted that she had incited the people to kill him (Uthman) "and now you want to avenge his blood"! Sunni writer have themselves presented facts about Ayesha that question her sincerity and integrity, as we see from the example above. Nothing could work better to cover up her misdeeds (others include launching the First Civil War in Islamic history, called the Battle of Basrah or Jamal!) than have her as the very young innocent bride often portrayed, despite the equally strong, if not stronger, evidence of her as a mature bride. *This is not a Shia-Sunni dispute when you look at what the early Muslim historians write about her, the vast majority of whom were Sunnis* !
As a very respectable colleague says (- The Nabataean world appears to have been the setting of the Qur’an’s ‘lost’ Arabian tribes, as both Ad and Thamud can be located within it. These references, together with the Arabic language and script of the Qur’an, could point to a Nabataean heritage for its original audience.
But there is no proof for that. Even the 7th Century Meccan was curious where did Muhammad get his material from bcz they never heard similar recitation before.
@@andanandan6061 Ad and Tamud was completely destroyed. And the Holy Qur’an did confirm that the people of Arabs always go through those places but didn’t realize that they were much much more stronger than the Arabs but no remnants were left except their homes. And Petra ,Madani Saleh are great example of the Qur’anic information.
@@libanali1626 Nabatean is a made up story. They can’t produce Petra or Madani Saleh . Arabs are always there . And the group of arrogant / prideful people get destroyed by their Lord.
@@libanali1626Nabateans were an Arab tribe living in today's Jordan who were part of the Roman Empire from very early on. They at one point managed to split away from the Empire and set up their own mini-Empire before the Romans reconquered them. Their ancient capital Petra is a world heritage site.
"lets become better people!" I like that =). I think that sums it ALL up! here a thought on 'the sword' ... it has been used as a symbol for the mind (element air) it cuts both ways depending on its use ... to cut the ties of ignorance and reveal truth that leads to wisdom and peace (paradise) or to simply cause further useless bloodshed and pain. I guess we all have to decide for ourselves ...
Mohammed heard a voice in a cave, he told his Christian wife who thought he had got possessed or gone mad so took him to see a Christian prest who told Mohammed it was angel Gabriel talking to Mohammed. So what we learn is that the Christians are responsible for creating Islam, if the prest said it was the jinn god Iblis which was common to hear jinns living in caves at that time period then we would have a satanic occult to Jinns. Mohammed never got his message directly from God but though angel Gabriel in modern times we call people who talk to angels mediums or Christian spiritualists. The message from angel Gabriel is third party only Christians got their message directly and even Sikhs like Guru Nanak received his message directly from God as he was receiving it was putting it onto paper.
@Isaiah Caillier Surah an nisa (4:171) O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion[1] or say about Allāh except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allāh and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allāh and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allāh is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allāh as Disposer of affairs. Where does it say Muhammad pbuh is influenced by the devil?
There were 2 primary sources for mohammed's revelations. When he was 12 yrs old a Christian hermit followed him around while uncle Talib was trying to do business w the locals. He told the 12 yr old a lot, which the kid memorized. Young Mohammed was very tall and good looking for his age, attracting random people to follow him around. Once he had his terrifying first mushroom trip where he sees Gabriel telling him things he'd learned from the hermit, mohammed ran to his wife babbling. She took him to her elderly paternal cousin, who had been a Christian priest, with an extensive written collection, including his own essays on how people should conduct themselves. After the old man felt there was something to an illiterate young man's claims, which synced well with Christian scripture, he declared him legit. When the old man died soon after, mohammed's wife took all of the writings into her house and read them out loud to her husband. After Mohammed died, Ali (adopted son & son in law) gathered up all of these writings to help him write his history, alongside the dictatiion he took while walking alongside mohammed.
@jd454545 Khadija was key and tried her best. She made sure all of her children, natural and adopted, were literate, and at least read to her husband, who had an excellent memory. Ali could have done so much more had Mohammed not been so paranoid that a bacterial infection would be "proof " of a demon possession. If he'd taken the medicine, he'd have survived and supported Ali better. The husbands of the daughters caused a split in the movement that today has still not healed. A better understanding of antibiotic herbs, and needing to not expose his young boys to travellers who might be sick, might have even saved one or both of his young sons. Even Thomas Jefferson lost all but his oldest daughter due to having too many social visitors at the dinner table. Patsy was old enough to survive by the time the dinners picked up pace. His wife's half sister was much more successful. Other than one stillborn girl, all of her children by Tom made it to adulthood, because they weren't introduced to travelers. Understanding all options for success, plus a sane and well thought out succession strategy, is crucial for every leader.
Why would they lie about that. That is my problem with people . The traditional story is nothing that mad. You can just ignore all religious meanings to it. Apart from that the story is no different from that of many other warlord in history with the express diffrence of it was religion that bound the arabs rather than nationalism
"Total nonsense, absolute garbage" - Dr. Anthony when asked about the Petra theory. He is right on the money. Great interview Derek!
You should be interviewed on this channel.
@@inquisitivemind007 Quizzy, come on, you know better than that. The Prophet ascending to heaven is a miracle. History in the West is determined by probability. Western historians do not consider miracles when deciding what happened in the past because miracles are by DEFINITION, the least probable occurrences. I do not make a HISTORICAL argument that the Prophet ascended into heaven; it is based upon conviction in his truthfulness. But revisionists who peddle the Petra theory ARE making a historical argument. A historical argument that, like your so-called "Inquisitive Mind," is total garbage. Finally, I do not deny that Solomon's Temple was built at that spot. ??? Come one Quizzy, get with the program. This is embarrassing.
@@stevenv6463 is that sarcasm?
@@kumarg3598 No, he is well read and actually engages with the Jewish and Christian traditions. It would be interesting to have him on the channel.
He spent no time on petra. Dan gibsons evidence deserves more attention. As an outsider, i dont find this dr anthony persuasive.
My favorite thing about these talks is how curious you are Derek! It's very very refreshing to see someone who is curious and whose main agenda is to figure out what the hell happened before trying to ask why. You never ask what it signifies about "us being better" (or about "them being worse"). You have a very non judgemental curiosity about these topics and I really resonate with that.
Aql
Having tons of kids does not make your religion true.
Instead, it is a sign of in security.
It's all about quantity over quality.
How is having a lot of children a sign of insecurity? There are people who are family oriented, and want a big family. I agree with your first sentence though.
@@yesnomaybeso5755
Only that bringing a new life into this existence is at best, presumptuous.... at worst, evil.
What manner of GOD complex is this to so thoughtlessly and carelessly fling a new life into being?
What will is it that decides that this is a good idea? Live your life - don't impose it on another, for every cradle is a grave.
The greater courage is voluntary human extinction.
@@hybridamerica I’m going to assume you’re not serious.
@@dtrez3866 Christian’s used to have big families too. It’s now in modern times that the family size has been reducing, because of certain propaganda. Modern day media influence is destroying the family model. Whether you want a big family or not. It is evident that media is hostile against the idea of a stable healthy family.
As a muslim looking for answers for a long time, your channel was very insightful so thank you
@@albusai if i apply the same criticism for the gospel,you will certainly leave Christianity
@Rishal Charles I prefer plagiarised version that make sense to putting everything rubbish and garbage in the name of religion by Christians.
What questions?
What kind of Muslim are you there's alot informations and books 📚 about prophet Mohammed pbuh and Islam ☪️
@@rexrambo7686 I just pay attention to the facts, and draw my own conclusions.
Wonderful episode. Please bring this guest back regularly. I studied Arabic, was a muslim (convert) for 30 years, but I learnt so much today! Keep up the good work!
👋 Hi me too.It would be great to swap notes. ☺️
I was also a Muslim convert for 20years from my late teens to early 40’s and have studied Arabic and Islamic history. I recently distanced myself from
brand Islam and delighted to find Derek’s sincere approach to understanding real Islamic history and scholarship.
It’s so refreshing and is leaps and bounds ahead of anything else I have found out there and certainly anything I have seen in the Arab speaking or muslim world.
Have both of you come across research materials from Inârah group of scholars from Germany? They are far ahead in this field.
@@misswarda78
Islam is not in need of you. There were many people who left Islam in the time of the Prophet, but Islam never stopped growing.
Islam is not in need of you. There were many people who left Islam in the time of the Prophet, but Islam never stopped growing. Even there two Muslims in the entire world, that wouldn't matter.
@@misswarda78 More than an hour ago I asked question from you why you being a woman, having converted to Islam for 2O years, studied Arabic and Islamic history now distancing from Islam. Sadly RUclips did not post it. By reading the hostility towards you I can imagine why so. Stay safe specially being a woman.
So good to hear a scholar that doesn't have a Christian agenda. That's all we ask for, honesty, consistency. I'm starting to appreciate this channel.
Check out the interview Derek did with Robert Hoyland called Was Umar the Messiah?
and like wise to hear something without an islamic agenda......
me too
Christian agenda...there's no such thing either you love LORD GOD OR YOU DONT.
ONLY ISLAM HAS AN AGENDA THEY ARE USING COLLEGE STUDENTS THIS VERY MINUTE
🤦🤦 dude he literally said quran is man made book that copied Christian apocrifa
Arabs created the Quran by compiling the pre-Islamic Arabic literature derived mostly from Syro-Aramaic lectionaries, homilies, hymnals & folklores of eastern churches in 7th century middle-east. They also borrowed heavily from the Jewish Talmud, which was also being compiled around the same time & place as the Quran i.e.. 7th century lower Mesopotamia.
Islam began as an anti-trinitarian Arab Christian sect promoted by Arab empire.
No man can create such a perfect book and unchanged unlike ur New Testament made by paul who is as apostate
@@lilrr1431 Arabs created Quran from copied scriptural stories and folklores of Jews and Christians..
What was the anti trinatarian Christian Arab sects? Who was the leader of these sect?
@@anaskpalmalaki8804 correct
Mhm........ Sureeeeeeeer
Problem is you dont have artifacts of him from his time. That's a problem. The coins from his time are more Christian, or Gnostic. We don't find inscriptions of him from his supposed time.
And that is because he didn't exist.
You won't even find any Arabic writings from the time of Muhammad
@@anubis8918 Bible was also written in 2nd century
@@takiyaazrin7562 which 1
And absolutely zero texts they claimed existed are present as the only examples of muslim texts are from long long after mohomads death .
yall are so lost smh
It would be amazing to see a Muslim, Muslim scholar come on your show and answer your questions.....
I would love to see Hamza Yusuf not anyone else. Hamza Yusuf almost a linguistic knowledgeable in both Christianity and Islam.
Nuaman Ali khan
Hamza Yusuf or Ali Ataie
I think Dr.Adnan Ibrahim would be best suited to answer but I don't think he is fluent in english.
Think Muslim scholars failed kindergarten
57:00 Instead of bieng the sons of God, they are the slaves of God who can never argue or discuss their fate. People would rather be the slaves of Muhammad to fight wars only.
I got a very different impression from the Robert Spencer book, which suggests there is nothing for decades. I know Spencer has an axe to grind, but is his book dishonest or just a more skeptical view of the same evidence?
@Check proofs of Islam in my playlists Better to talk to non-bias
@Constantine Mithras I've read his books & he is not a missionary. Not even close to correct. He is a scholar & if you can refute his findings, please do so. Just throwing out insults makes your argument look weak.
@Constantine Mithras Why don't you ask him and find out? You make claims with no proof so you need to explore the data.
@Constantine Mithras lol so you got 8 of your own accounts to like your comment? Let's see who gave you the likes in that comment?
John Wick
Paul Tarsus
Constantine Tarsus
Bruce Wayne
John Wayne
Jason Bourne
Constantine Mithras
Paul Mithras
that's 8 of your many accounts, damn, you get busy making all these accounts don't you?
@Constantine Mithras No, he is claiming to have a PhD. I have no reason to doubt his credentials. You are the one questioning them. Do an online search of him or ask him directly. You are the one making the claim so this is up to you. You simply don't like what you are hearing. Sorry, but it is not just this doctor but dozens of scholars finding the truth about Islam.
Quran is the best proof of existence of Prophet MOHAMMAD (saw)
Seriously. Why was his name mentioned only once
Seriously because Gods revelation not Muhammad words@@gabesegun7966
I am amazed at your depth of knowledge on Islam. It was a real PhD you have earned with hard labour. As a muslim, I also learnt many things from this conversation.
Just to add a little as my knowledge as muslim goes. Prophet Muhammad was orphan from his childhood and was brought up by his grandfather. He was a shepherd. Later he was employed by a rech lady of the then Arab, Bibi Khodeja to do trading of her properties from Arab to Syria. Later he got married with Bibi Khideja, though she was pretty senior by age to prophet.
It is worth listening. Thanks Dr Anthony for keeping us informed of your thesis works
Do muslims question the fact Allah said😬🥶(he will help make the ”true followers” of Jesus uppermost victorius ”untill” the day of resurection) (from the time of Jesus untill resurection) Who has been the uppemost followers of Jesus since the time of Jesus untill now? The christians right?
Either Allah failed to keep his promise and the wrong followers of Jesus became uppermost & islams is false bec Allah failed..😑🥶
Or the true followers of Jesus is the christians & islam is still false bec it controdicts the true
Christiians😑🥶
Islamic dilemma to discribe it litely..🤔😬😰
@@bendingtrending Chinese are the uppermost victorious. christians are lost and they don't know where they are going 😂
@@bendingtrending Nah. The Christian world has become the preeminent religion of the world now but come on Islam was the biggest show in town for hundreds of years. Also from a Muslim perspective they are the true followers of Jesus.
Some scholars claim that Islam was invented to furnish an ideology to justify and keep united the Arab conquests. There are references to 622 as "the year of the Arabs" marking the defeat of the Sasanids long before its later association by the developing Islamic tradition with an alleged hijra.
Actually 622 was the date of a war between Arabs in al Hira (Iraq) with an alliance of other Arab tribes vs the Persians and the Arabs won. It’s strange that the Islamic narrative doesn’t even mention such an event
The Arabs had a whole series of sometimes crushing victories against multiple enemies including the Romans . I too read that they sought to understand why they were so blessed.
***////////⚠️⚠️ Allah's prophets are named after another GOD⚠️⚠️ Has Allah forgotten his name or is he just an IDOL!⚠️⚠️//////////****
Why is it the unforgivable sin in Islam to confess " there is only one God and this is YHWH""
The Name Jesus means------------- ***"YHWH SAVES "**
Elijah means------------- --------------***" MY GOD IS YHWH"***
John means ----------------------------***" YHWH has been gracious""***
Zakariya means -----------------------***""YHWH has remembered""***
****************are all prophets according to the Quran**************
@@hannawurst6064 Directly, Joshua means Yahweh saves.
Elijah means El (Theos/Deus/Allah/God) is Yahweh.
Yohan means Yahweh graces (as in favors/choses/gives)
Zakariya means remember Yahweh.
Muhammad changed Yahweh "I am" name to that "on instructions from Allah" as
the children of Ishmael (meaning "Yahweh hears/listens/follows El/God")
would now be favored over
the children of Jacob/James/Diego (meaning "Yahweh the usurper/supplanter").
The plot holes thicken. But knowing the real history of these -f-a-l-s-e- religions of violence and ruin stemming as bad fruits from a bad tree of Dark Ages, we see clearly and with understanding.
Saul means ask/question.
Kish (Saul's father) means lure.
Samuel (the priest/prophet that oiled/anointed/messiah Saul as king) means "hear/listen/follow El"
Paul means small/few in Roman.
Arabs couldn’t have staged a conquest in the pre-Islamic times because they were never before that united or governed by a single entity, they were tribal. Arabia was chaotic. Islam was what stabilised it, unified it, got rid of atrocious acts like burying baby girls which many tribes did etc. and then the Muslims after unifying Arabia for the 1st time in history, freed the holy land.
@Sean Anthony: Thank you for the insights. I have watched some material by Dan Gibson where he claims that all the early qiblas point in direction of Petra and hence Mecca = Petra. I know that you are sceptical about this finding, but could you specify your criticism? Do you disagree with
1) Dan Gibsons claim on the qibla directiobs. In this case is there any academic research which contradicts the data found by DG?
2) Otherwise, an explanation needs to be found why all early qiblas point in direction if Mecca. D. King's argument that the early Arabs were incapable of aligning the qiblas accurately is not convincing since this does not explain the statistically significant and consistent alignment of the early qiblas.
I dont think he read comments
mecca=petra 100%proved.
At 41:43 with the question "is the Quran preserved word for word?". I didn't understand the answer of Dr.Anthony. Can anyone please elaborate about what he was saying??
I'll try _(insya Allah)_ : Quran is *FORMIDABLY* preserved through the tradition.
The host (Derek) don't ask for an Explanation. Just a SIMPLE Yes or No.
Allow me to explain then : Quran or any other writing of that period and region were ONLY written on Parchment, Scroll etc etc, here and there. There is NO paper technology from China yet to mass preserved it until the earliest is in the 10th-Century (Paper). The ONLY available METHOD of preservation is through a *RECITATION* (Hafazan in Arabic) from memory or as what Dr. Anthony referred it as TRADITIONS. Its practiced through the 5X prayer a day, at least.
Quran is in Quranic-Arabic. The sister language of Hebrew, Aramaic, Syriac etc etc. THE MAJOR criteria of the Semitic Language is the GRAMMAR and in writing they use the ABJAD (sort of Alphabet) *WITH NO VOWEL* having a ROOT ABJAD (at least 3) for Adjective, Pronoun etc etc. The Syntax is also different form normal language. English and French only have 6 Pronouns but they has 12, complete with gender. *DUAL* pronoun ONLY existed in the Semitic language.
The MOST Amazing Thing about the Semitic Language is that *THEY ONLY HAVE LESS THAN 500 ROOT-WORDS*, taking advantage of the pronouns to make it a HUGE Library of Vocabulary.
The Thai Language has the most root-words, more than 200,000.
*WITH LESS THAN 500 ROOT WORDS THATS ADVANTAGOEUS TO BE MEMORISED*
Earliest Torah is mostly in Greek Kone (except for the Dead Sea Scroll) and its difficult to retraced it back.
As for Bible, unfortunately we don't have the Original, in Aramaic.
The present Arab or Jew and Bani Israel etc were practicing the respective Literature and Spoken Language, NOT the ORIGINAL or as what they called as Classical Arabic and Classical Hebrew.
*THEY WERE TIED BACK THROUGH THE ABJAD, ROOT-WORD, GRAMMAR* etc.
As for Quran THEY HAVE THE *TAJWEED* or proper pronunciation, enunciation, and the application of specific rules to ensure the accurate preservation.
To further strengthen it they have the RASM (Official) Uthamniah for CONSISTENCY.
I hope I have explained to the best of my ability.
Take care
The answer is yes, it is preserved ,like now what I am doing is memorizing a chapter of Quran .
Just started watching. This is an epic interview 😳 So we have a document referring to Muhammad within a decade of his death. Wowzers
14:17 is very interesting because muslims believe Muhammad was an ummi ie unlettered but here have an early document saying he was learned in the books of Moses
57:50 shows the dualism in the Quran on what happened to Jesus
1:27:19 is just explosive
Yay Abdullah Sameer is in the house!!!
Yes.. That's not new..
@@Gehri_soch2.0 "Ummi" doesn't mean illiterate there. It means "Gentile" (non-Jewish) prophet. That's why they claim to link him to Isaiah 42, even in old hadith traditions.
The Syriac note in a gospel of Mark, fragment on the Arab conquests. We have that original. There are more Syriac and Greek sources - though not the original documents - that talk about a certain Muhammad or Saracen prophet in the 640's.
Jesus lives only 30 years while Muhammad lived for 63 years. Almost double then Jesus. Just to point out something here.
But what is your point? Jesus did not act as political leader. He did not promote violence or conquest. He was not a rebel Zealot against Rome. He was clearly more of a philosopher/healer, similar to Essenes. He was also prophetic and referred to himself as a prophet, saying to the Rabbis that a "prophet is never recognized in his own country ".
Some say he was one of tbt essences.
@@Madmen604 he was under oppressed by his own people's (the jews) and later killed by the Romans. As Muslim, we believed he was saved by God not crucified. Somebody else that looks like him died on the cross. Jesus is muslim too since he teaching on monotheism. Later St Paul teach trinity.
@azmisalleh6465 Hi, yes we have some common beliefs as in monotheism and in heaven sent prophets, charity and kindness, hospitality between neighbours. "Love thy neighbour as thyself."
Jesus' non violent response to colonial oppression inspired Ghandi and Martin Luther King to adopt peaceful resistance and intellectual polemic as tools for justice and peace on earth.
All three were assassinated. President JFK tried to live by those commandments. He too was assassinated, and his brother too.
Yes, Jesus was really crucified and died. The historians wrote about it and his followers confirmed it.
I do believe Jesus was crucified and died. I believe in the resurrection. If your Prophet could ascend to heaven while still alive, how much more logical that our Prophet could ascend to heaven after death. I believe his spirit took physical form when he appeared to the apostles. Paul had no believe, but was so moved by the stories he heard that he was filled with guilt. He heard Jesus voice on the way to Damascus, he lost his sight and eventually converted. It is possible Jesus' body was removed from the tomb by his relative Rabbi Joseph of Aramathia. Jesus had two important religious relatives, both Rabbis and John the Baptist was his cousin.
I watched the Chosen video series, very good fyi.
Cheers
@@WelcomeToShorts1 Essenes? Yes there are some interesting ideas that fit. Maybe in his missing youth history, he lived with the Essenes, in the desert. Maybe his 40 days in the desert is a reference to the Essenes. I think there is something to it.
Some muslim scholars speculate that Dhul Qarnayn was Cyrus, The Great a Persian King, not Alexander the Great. Yet others say he was Darius another Persian king who was a monotheist.
47:57 was Palestine the name of the city the writer wrote?
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Thanks for the subject but why don’t you bring Muslim scholars? All of your questions will be clarified. Most of your questions are trivial and so simple for regular Muslim. Many of Christians have agendas against Islam and prophet Mohammad, although many of them also are fair and just, I must say. Hope I can see in future Muslim guest such as Zakir Nike. Good luck.
this sean fella looks like the bassist in any rock band fifteen years ago.
and mr mythvision looks like the lead singer of any rap-rock band twenty years ago.
If you interpret 3:55 to mean die, then , it is telling him you will die [like normal human but first you will be raised up, wa in Arabic does not indicate order
Once again Derek hosts an excellent presentation.
Check out the interview Derek did with Robert Hoyland called Was Umar the Messiah?
What is Dereks general opinion of Islam
Jesus is coming back Muslim believe that too but u think Jesus ur God got killed for ur sins , he’s coming back and he’s not gonna look at today Christians
Return of Jesus is a reference to the next Promised One, not the same man coming down from the sky
When do you draw the line how about age 9
thanks for this amazing episode i was a muslim for 42 years and im still a muslim with very very deep believe alhamdolillah ❤
You'll get big surprise if there are no 72 hoors
So ur to brainwashed to leave
I noticed that the interviewee didn't give any dates for this Sabios person. He said that he wrote about Muhammad but when did he write? Did he write these things in the 9th century or the 10th century? We don't know. I can't find any reference to a "Sabios" on the Internet.
Maybe in his Book. Academician is unlike us, ATHEIST though they may be.
Mohamed tomb is a historical site that refers to the final resting place of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), the founder of Islam. The tomb, known as the Prophet's Mosque or Al-Masjid an-Nabawi, is located in the city of Medina, Saudi Arabia.
The Prophet's Mosque is one of the holiest sites in Islam, and it holds significant religious importance for Muslims around the world. It serves as a place of worship, pilgrimage, and spiritual reflection for millions of Muslims who visit the site each year.
The mosque has undergone several expansions and renovations throughout history, and today, it stands as a grand structure with a large courtyard, elegant minarets, and a majestic dome covering the tomb of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). The tomb area is a focal point for Muslims to offer prayers and seek blessings.
The significance of the Mohamed tomb lies not only in its historical and architectural importance but also in its role as a symbol of unity and reverence for Muslims worldwide. It is a sacred place of veneration and remembrance of the beloved Prophet, and it holds a special place in the hearts of Muslims as a center of spiritual connection and devotion.
Ask everyone ,but muslim scholars??? invite muslim scholars
Why invite someone with a biased agenda?
The year MUHAMMAD and the early Meccan Muslims (called: al-Muhajirin) left Mecca to Medina started the Islamic Hijrah (H) calender. It is still counting till this day.. now it is 1443H, month of Ramadan.
This guy says the Petra theory is nonsense but doesn't really explain why.
Because it's THAT absurd
Excellent discussion. One of the better discussions you have had in relation to the Islamic narrative.
it is not Alexender the great u are wrong; only few old scholars said it;; it is Cyrus the great ;read meaning of quran or towards understanding the quran by Syed Abuala Moudoodi .
I fell in love with islam❤❤ after watching how much western media trying to defame muslim...
U not very bright its not to show truth
@@remove122 keep crying with yor theories, islam is undefeated and cannot be defeated. Prophet Muhammad saw was illiterate and no one can explian how he created the Quran because it came straight from God.
A singular source copied over and over doesn’t necessarily lead to a prophet receiving revelations but to possibly existing written sources.
If it’s copied there should be errors and there should contradictions and difference just like you have with the many many many bibles. And another thing that debunk that claim is if you believe all that then surely you can produce a text like the Quran even try produce one as the smallest verse in the Quran. Get whoever you want to help you, you think it was many people that complied the Quran, then get many people, get many linguistic specialists, get your academics, get your professors, get your priests and your gods, get the devil and get them all to help you produce even a verse like the smallest verse in the Quran. Surely if you’re truthful you should be able to produce a verse like the quran but you will never be able too.
@@anewdayali2538
I will show you some copyist errors if you tell me first: are you an Arab speaker and reader ? Otherwise we will have a problem with textual translations.
Please get SHAYKH HAMZA YUSUF HANSON
The Prophet Muhammad was asked when the Hour would come, the Prophet said no one knew, it turned out that the questioner was Jibril in disguise, the Prophet said only God Allah knows.... Likewise, when Jesus was asked he didn't know, only his Father knew (although the words in The Bible has many words that contradict each other
Someone with his level of education, I am shocked he doesn't know that Muhammad or MHMT/MHMD was originally a title and later morph's into a name.
Exactly lol that’s the whole point he was missing
there's no evidence Muhammed was a title before it was a name
What is MHMT/ MHMD? What title is it? Muhammad is the Prophet's original name. It's meaning is" praised one".You are not Dr. kafferphobia.You are sick Islamophobia.
@ you dont know what you talking , MHMD was used in the hebrew bible to talk about prophet Daniel who was the praised one, this term been around. MUHAMMAD was never MHMD lol. It just was never
@keezemojito1278 Nonsense. Mohammad is an arabic word and it is his birth name. Arab people of his time never used hebrew words while naming.If you analyse 1000 contemporary names of his time none of them is found other than Arabic names.He received revelation at age of forty.Neither he nor people around him ever had the slightest clue of his becoming a prophet. If MHMD is a title and has any resemblance to his name omniscient God must have bestowed it to him.
Can you remake this video ask the same questions to a Muslim historian?
1:47:23 "the password is the sword". Wow. That really puts the "sword" in "password"
Contemporary Christian sources explained prophet Muhammad ( pbuh) a war lord from Hajaj ( North / central Arab) who attacked Christian villages, settlements in Arab .
Great show. Good guest. Bring him back soon :)
Nice conversation But take a deeper look into the alternate origins of Islam. There are serious scholars who are working on this. I was surprised how he towed the orthodox line
01:33:49 What's up Doc? The Petra theory is garbage. Why? "becuase we have papyrii from Petra and stuff like that...". And? If there is no evidence in the Archeological or numismatic record for the existance of the Mother of all cities (Mecca?) up til about 750 AD then why should there not be a plausible subsitute, as Dan Gibson demonstrates? A few of his arguments:
Thomas Artsruni, writing in 887 AD makes this very clear as he identifies Petra, and then he lets us know that he is speaking of Mecca, “The Mecca” he says.
In the first 100 years of Islam the mosques all pointed to this city in southern Jordan.
The original Ka’ba was located in the city of Petra. in front of the large building known as the Temple of Dushara, or Qasr al-Bint.
from Azraqi the exact size of the Ka’ba building during Muḥammad’s lifetime. is the exact size of the original Ka’ba building as described by Azrqi. It was not square, and each side had a different length. And this foundation matches each of those lengths. And don’t forget, every mosque at this time faced this building. From east, west, north, and south every Qibla faced this building. Very strong evidence that this is the original Ka’ba, located in the city of Petra. Now today, the Temple of Dushara stands directly behind the first Ka’ba.
This was the valley where Hagar wept and cried out to the Lord, because little baby Ishmael was about to die. It was in this city that she found water, in Zamzam.
Before the time of Muḥammad, the people of the city were pagans. All nonsense...garbage?
Muhammad's goal was the Holy Land Q5:21 which he was facing for 17/18 months before the qibla changed to Mecca. Towards the end of his life he engaged in Zionist activities to capture the Holy Land Q5:21 as shown in the Stephen Shoemaker interview - that's why the Jews thought Muhammad was the Messiah as reported in Theopanes 817AD and why someone in the Jewish community in the mid 8th century wrote in The Secrets of Rabbi Šim‘on ben Yohai "...He shall raise up over them a prophet [Muhammad] in accordance with His will, and He will subdue the land [Israel] for them; and they shall come and restore it with grandeur..."
I agree. That felt more like an ad hominen attack that an explanation.
Prophet Muhammad’s father name was Abdullah which literally means Servant of Allah. It indicates that word Allah was existed before the advent of Islam.
I don’t know but to me Islam makes more sense than Christianity and Judaism. I didn’t investigate about Zoroastrian religion yet but so far Islam makes more sense in the concept of Monotheism, family values, brotherhood, mercy and heroism.
Islam has very questionable ideas about marriage and especially the age of consent. I don’t think it is the best religion for family values.
That being said, Christians and Judaism have lots of very bad ideas of their own.
Islam doesn’t make sense
@ You’re just talking from a religious blind perspective, but when you really study Islam in a Historical and Cultural context you will realize Islam makes more sense for a better world. No wonder why in western countries the crimes rates, divorce rates and rapes rates are extremely high in comparison with the almost 0% in Muslims countries.
@@remove122so killing God by His creation makes sense to you😂
Isn't Muhammad's name mentioned in the Quran?
I really enjoyed this episode, I would like to add some information for everyone, our guest here is knowledgeable about non Muslim sources but hasn’t had the opportunity to read Muslim sources in depth and most importantly the Quran (or he has forgotten most of what he read) as it shows in the end of the conversation on the topic of apocalyptic events and the end of time.
Overall good effort thumbs 👍
I would encourage you both to read the Quran if you really like books you should read it once without pre assuming.
Right at this moment, he did not speak about one of the biggest act done by Prophet Muhammad upon Hijra when he made one Mohajir the brother of one Ansar, thereby quashing ab initio the potential of a perception that Mohajirs are seen as conquerors. There is no other example in history of creating a brotherhood of this sort. 27:53
I have been teaching Comparative Religions for over 20 years. I have yet to meet a single person who studied Islam in a neutral way (without isms) and have not become a Muslim during or by the end of studies.
I also, have had the honor to congratulate and sign 1009 reversion "conversion" certificates.
You owe it to yourselves to learn about Islam from a practicing Muslim.
Also, read the Quran it's the (Final Revelation) ❤
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Yo teach comparative religion, not the underlying sciences which examine what religion is in its essence. Those blow religion apart, including Islam. I’ve studied Islam and conclude that it’s a human phenomena, in fact one which perfectly encapsulates the neurological, psychological, social and anthropological theories of why the human mind generates religion.
I’ve read the Quran and see no good reason to think it’s a mashup of human ideas trying to explain reality, poorly.
Facts but the truth be told so many people lack the confidence in their own abilities that they render them self incapable and give up before they even started so they remain ignorant all their lives. But then they love to lie about being Informed and educated instead of actually being educated and informed. The idiocy they display is just outstandingly incredible
No its not final revelation its just a book copied and stories twisted
@ you retards don’t even know what copy means? Why do you imbeciles loves to talk the most with the least amount of knowledge.. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 yeahs that’s why you delusional Christian’s are the closest to idol worshipers
The newer consensus among Muslim scholars is that Dhul Qarnain is not Alexander but is rather Cyrus the great. A lot of things get explained if this is applied.
Romance of Alexander.
The two-horned one is a reference to Alexander as Alexander appears with horns in his coins.
The way in which I learned more about the Quran in this 2 hour episode than I did in like 13 years of Islamic school... truly an amazing and fascinating episode. Also this academic is both so hot and so smart pls bring him back on the show again!
so you are learning Quran from Non Muslims wow ,
@@rajababy2009 lol seek help
Even the first translation of quran was made by non-muslim. This translation encouraged moslem to study more and make the translation perfect based on real meaning in arabic language.
@@xdollface177 your not Muslim. Sorry but nobody who follows the wrong way is Muslim.
@@ashsuri1289 and what is "the wrong way" and who are you to call someone "not Muslim"? The days of ad hominem attacks and kafir manufacturing are over. Your brainwashing tactics and lack of logic no longer work.
People tend to give a pass on Mohamad. The fact is that he killed, tortured, and was vindictive with people he did not like and those things could not be explained away with the mores of the times.
It was all politics and the theology came later. Do the history and forget about theology.
I was hoping you’d talk about the political intrigues that went on around him. There were attempts on his life, his ailment and impending death, and how Omar, the second Calif, stopped him from doing his testament and what possible role his household women folk had? Two of his wives were the daughters of the first and second Calif, whereas his own daughter who came out in the strongest terms against the califs who took over immediately after his death, died mysteriously soon after, and his whole family was bypassed.
Good insight. Also it's important to mention that he explicitly married some of his wives for political bonds and ties.
It's particularly interesting around aisha. She was the daughter of his bff abu bakr, after his death she had a battle with Muhammad's nephew Ali. The battle of the camels I believe.
Interestingly, over 50% of authentic hadiths are attributed to aisha so it's hard to turn a blind eye to the impact and prominence aisha had ...
Almost akin to a king marrying his daughter to another royal family to add on to the Empire that's being built
@@thenun1846 Marriage for political reasons was not uncommon in History as we all know, even in recent times. The modern founder of the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, King Saud, and he named the country after himself, married I don't even know how many women, and it was not because he was such a libertine but it was intended to cement political alliances. Supposedly, Fatima did not got along with her father's wives and the wives controlled what went on in the household, and she fought back at the califs in a very aggressive manner. It was clear to her how they pulled the rug from under her feet. Mohamad was a political leader foremost and the religious part was the equivalent of a modern political party dogma.
@@ahmarshaikh7427 two wrongs don't make it right. It was wrong of Western imperialism to exploit people in the middle east. It was also wrong for Muslim campaigns to conquest most of the Arabian peninsula through the sword. Both sides can acknowledge fault, but just pointing at your opponent's faults without addressing your own is a Tu Quoque fallacy
@@ahmarshaikh7427 tu quoque fallacy?
Just because "the west" did horrible things is no excuse for Mohammed his barbaric ways
@@ahmarshaikh7427 whataboutism
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He skipped the question on if Quran is preserved or not. I can understand he is afraid of this cult. But as an academic he should explain facts.
He clearly said it. Go watch it again.
Extremely learned and unbiased scholar. Love the interview conducted in manner to receive unbiased information and not disrespect anyone's faith and values. Great show.
Regarding the ummayed mosque in Damascus, it was a roman temple and Christian church then both a church and a mosque, then when there was a big Muslim community they built another a church at another place
I think the main difference between the historicity of Jesus and muhammed is that,Jesus movement was very insignificant in the Roman empire,he was one of those few self proclaimed Messiahs hence little historical backing but in the case of muhammed he orchestrated an empire which destroyed the Romans and the Persians
Learn Islam from a Muslim scholar.
& God willing you will be able to understand more.
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The oldest biography of mohammad was written by Ibn Hisham in 833ad, that's 200 years after he died.
Ibn Hisham lived1000 miles from mecca. Muslims still believe this is a reliable script
You have no knowledge or understanding about the science of chain of narrations yet you speak so ignorantly with so much confidence like you have all the knowledge
Maybe I'm not the best judge, but Sean's Arabic accent seems SPOT ON!
most of the western academics who studies islam has spot of arabic accent.
From an arab, noo he have a mid to a decent accent but not spot on
Eating too much halal like a duck
really enjoyed this talk. subscribed
I am a Muslim, I have learned many things In this channel. Derek don't press on his guest, this is one thing why he is different from other people I have ever come across. I don't care if he believes in God or anything. That is not for me to judge but I have reall learnt alot about Islam. Our Muslim scholars made a fool of us by claiming the Qur'an has not changed for even a dot and the quran of prophet Muhammad is what we have now word by word letter. My belief now is we Muslims, Christians and Jews, all of us don't have the original book of of Torah, gospel and Qur'an. These 3 books are yet to be discovered.
I think the "elites" at the top who control society deliberately tell the population one-story to keep us ignorant/happy, while they know the truth. I have met many Muslims who were secretly Freemason/Atheists (Turks, Moroccans, Saudie, Sudani) and there is no one worshipping God inside the Vatican (Bank) in Rome. Religion is for people who don't have power.
So you respect a white scholar more than Muslims scholar. The miracle of the Quran is that people recite it and people learn the Quran orally rather than reading a book
Brother you are more fooled now than ever before,the scholars have been sincere and accurate in there assessment of the quran,it has been always known that the quran has been revealed in 7 ahruf dialects,also variations in recitations ie style,this does not change the content,you cant compare this with the bible where complete books have been added or taken away,also the prophet pbuh seerah has truly attested,if you are Muslim then stop taking your faith from non Muslims,unbiased opinions is not as unbiased as you think,and if your not muslim,then stop playing games
@@Lindaeditz8don't bother, he's fake
@@Lindaeditz8 "Truly attested"? What a joke! You have fully revealed the weakness of your position which is why all you have left are ad hominem attacks and kafir-manufacturing. Sad. Rest assured, your tactics no longer work.
The title or name of your Channel, could have a better nomenclature.
IT IS TRULY AMAZING HOW DEREK LAMBERT JUST CAME OUT OF NO WHERE AND JUST BLEW RELIGION APART THE SCHOLARS HE GETS IS MIND BOGGLING BUT HE HAS YET TO SCORE FRANCESCA STAVRAKOPOULO DARN-IT THAT LAST NAME IS SO DIFFICULT
How about Atlantis? How about the people in that region, can you make a video about all of that?
The key to paradise is "Laa ilaha illa Allah Muhammadur Rasulullah".
Stop saying 😅
Learn first more about Islam , before you deceive yourself
Good luck.
@@jma7600 Isn't there any muslim who can defend it's ideology ?
Are it only robots who follow what they are told
This is one of the satanic verse that being transmitted from Satan disguised as an angel to Mehmed.
I can make a list of questions .. to ask your guests on the Petra theses, having given it a fair amount of thought, I think disqualifying the idea that Petra is a possible candidate for the origin of the Quran as bonkers (time stamp) 1.33.41 is bad scholarship, if you don't tell your audience why.
As Jay Smith points out, "Muhammad" literally means, "the praised one" and is used to describe political leaders as well as Jesus Christ. Therefore, simply finding a scribble on a page of scribbles that looks like Muhammad is very weak evidence of the Muhammad that was later developed by the Arabs as they were putting together their new empirical religion (like Rome's).
Muhammad is *NOT* Arabic, but Hebrew, acquired from his Grandfather's business venture to Syria and Jerusalem.
An Adjective.
Its OK if you want to name it for Jesus or your son etc.
Over the course of a year, we have listened to non-Muslim people. Do you have the audacity to host Muhammad Ali? There are many surprises and comparisons that all your guests ignore. Moreover, Muhammad Ali has studied the Bible and the Torah and will quench the curiosity of those who are eager for knowledge.
Mr Anthony was well understood and presented his stuff in a nice and cordial Wayne Worth while to check his material out in which I'll be doing. Enjoyed this episode Derek and keep up the great 2irk you've been doing!
24:05 'the Jewish tribes that were living on the outskirts of the city'. I'm baffled by this oft-quoted element in the standard account of Muhammad's life. Were these Arabic tribes who had converted to Judaism? Were they tribes of Jews who had moved to the Hijaz? Neither makes sense to me.
Judaism is not a missionary religion. There were no Arabs who converted to Judaism, but rather Jews who lived in the Arabian Peninsula. The reason for the Jews’ exodus from the Levant, which was under the control of their Persian friends, and their abandonment of the life of luxury in their holy land and their heading to the desert was their firm belief in the emergence of a prophet in this region, as the Book of Isaiah foretells the emergence of a prophet from Mount Sela, which is a mountain in Medina.
Former Muslimbrothers Hamad ABDEL Samad wrote also some great books about Mohammed and Islam from a critical historical perspective.
He made the theory that the prophet was epileptic
Wow brother Derek, if you are in to eschatology. I advise you look up Sh. Imran N. Husain. His book Jerusalem in the Quran is not only the only islamic book on the subject but it is also an Islamic eschatological explanation of our world today. Peace
Amazing episode, bring the dr back again, and keep delving into more material, your tenacity in pursuing the origins of religion and how they change over time depending what the civilization needed at that point of time and history, fascinating
Thank you to Sir Sean Anthony, for adding insight to us, the knowledge you give us will become good deeds and virtues that will branch out endlessly in the world... we Muslims are commanded to learn from "people of the book" from before Islam... experts who really have knowledge objective. science of facts and science, not just blind theology... true experts like historians like you we have to listen
Now we want someone talk about Hinduism
More of chats like these!!! Bring Dr Anthony back soon
Why doesn’t Jesus peace be upon him go inline with the other prophet in Christianity why does Islam give him the right and correct position that goes inline with all the other prophets.🤔
The truth is prevailing... Slowly but steadily...
Check out the interview Derek did with Robert Hoyland called Was Umar the Messiah?
@@inquisitivemind007😂 , means he is lost in the darkness.
U guys should read the best seller's Dr. Maurice Bucaille, treatise, ' The Bible, The Qur'an and examined in the light of modern science'.
yours kefli, the pirate of the Caribbean.
At that time, the term "Mohammed" was not a name, but a title for particularly revered people, especially and almost exclusively for Jesus Christ. "Mohammed" appears 4 times in the Koran and refers to Jesus Christ, but not to an alleged Arab prophet. There never was an Arab prophet, what could he have done? The Koran is plagiarized from A to Z, copied from biblical and parabiblical writings. There is nothing new in the Koran, old heretical and polemical teachings, especially Gnostic teachings. Jesus is mentioned 24 times in the Koran, there is no trace of an Arabic prophet. Jesus was the Messiah and not a prophet. Anyone who claims that Jesus was a prophet, do not understand the role of Jesus Christ. The Messiah cannot be a prophet at the same time, because the main task of a prophet is to announce the Messiah.
Very well said 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Nobody cares about your opinion..that's The problem 😂
Good discussion.
Prof. Stephen J. Shoemakers in his "Creating the qur'an" makes the case for a much later and much more dispersed origin of the qur'an. Would've been great to hear Anthony engage Shoemakers thaughts.
No mention of kaaba anywhere prior to mahamed.
A local arabian tribe cult associated with kaaba where sacrifices were made. The spread of Bible traditions and views of the world spreads into the area where it was internalized.
NO evidence that they considered themselves ismailites prior to islam.
Everything comes from the Bible.
Jesus said "I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST" and then 600 years later allah says "i am the first and the last"
Jesus was caused by the creator, he was born/incarnated. So how the heck is he the first? Flat out contradiction 😂 he said himself I am going to MY GOD and your God.
@@mersalsalem811 Are you uneducated? Know the scriptures :
allah(peace be upon HER) makes the same claim that Jesus made 600 years after him : Jesus said "I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST" and then 600 yrs later allah(peace be upon HER) copies Jesus and claims 'i am the first and the last' and what was allah's claim in saying that? allah's claim was Eternal God. How can you have a second God after the original GOD?? 😂
Before mahamed was born there is ZERO allah in :
HISTORY
GEOGRAPHY
ARCHEOLOGY
LANGUAGE (arabic)
SCHOLARSHIP
MANUSCRIPTS
THIRD PARTY CRITICS
ABSOLUTELY ZERO!!! ZERO ZERO ZERO. Hmmmmm… Looks like someone(mahamed), most likely, created a pagan god to me!!
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Why didn’t Abraham mention to us that god will be coming as a man called Jesus? Why is it in the different sects of Christianity you disagree on the core of your religion. Not every Christian’s and every Christian denomination believe Jesus is god, some believe he was only the son of god, some believe he was a prophet, then you go some that pray to Mary some believe she is also god. So like which one is the truth then? So which one is the word of god then? Why is it you can’t even get the rest of the Christian to believe the same core belief and message? Shouldn’t that give you more questions than answers and more doubt than certainty unless you lack intellect.
@@anewdayali2538 All that mental garbage and you didn't defend islam and the arguments that I made. All you're doing is posing more questions... This is called the muslim shuffle.
Why didn't Abraham mention to us that mahamed will be the final messenger? Why didn't Abraham ever mention allah?? Why didn't Abraham speak arabic? Do you see how dumb your reasoning sounds? Why is mahamed the only guy that doesn't acknowledge GOD, as the FATHER. Consistently, the prophets before mahamed had the ONE same message that GOD(YAHWEH) was FATHER to them. Is allah a father in any sense of the word??
Now deal with the issue at hand. Jesus SAYS "I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST" and then 600 years later allah said 'i am the first and the last' What did allah mean by 'i am the first and the last'??? If that is meant as the divine eternal god then his statement is impossible because he plagarized that from JESUS. The divine claim that allah made couldn't have been done by any other before him if allah is the true god. Obviously allah is 100% fake. mahamed and his partner allah are 100% fake.
Stop lacking intellect...
Before mahamed was born there is ABSOLUTELY NO allah in :
HISTORY
GEOGRAPHY
ARCHEOLOGY
LANGUAGE (arabic)
SCHOLARSHIP
TORAH
GOSPELS
MANUSCRIPTS
THIRD PARTY CRITICS
ABSOLUTELY ZERO!!! ZERO ZERO ZERO. Hmmmmm… Looks like someone(mahamed), most likely, created a pagan god to me!!
It's such a shame Jewish and Christian scholars and academics don't study Islam beyond the basic tenants and always apply Jewish and Christian presumptions when they do go into details. The claim of Islam is that this is nothing new, this is the religion of the one true God that has always had the same basic monotheistic principles which have differed from nation to nation in minor ritualistic practice only. But over time all previous religions have been corrupted and Islam should be seen as the correction. If you apply this and approach things academically, logically, spiritually and however else you want, you will get a true understanding of Islam and God for that matter.
That statement already has plenty of stuff wrong
Thank you Myth Vision for always framing your discussions in critical academic engagement.
Check out the interview Derek did with Robert Hoyland called Was Umar the Messiah?
First texts are readable ?!? I am an Arabic speaker and I couldn’t read it.
He said for linguistics. I am an English speaker and I could not read 1300 English successfully
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so when was the text finally modernised ? Arabic is a very young language.
Derek- when he said there would be many preservation and historically critical aspects regarding the Quran that everyday Muslims would be very surprised about- THIS is what I was interested in knowing. This is the stuff that’s new and interesting!! This is what’s outside of the traditional narrative!!! Please please bring him back and get him to go in deep on these points. We need to delve into this stuff because it’s not what anyone else is doing. PLEASE!!! Great work- but please dont hold back from fear of criticism. Critical Christian scholars don’t hold back and Islamic scholars shouldn’t either..we need to get to the truth.
When he says Muslims, he is referring to the average Joe. Not to Muslim scholars.
Oh man, why are you so obsessed with conspiracy theories?! As Anthony said, your average muslim who lives in a given community will have very simplistic view of their religion.. same goes for any other religion (or non religion for that matter). If they go and study the Quran in muslim institutions even at a basic level, they will learn everything about variant readings, foreign vocabulary of the Quran, competing codices etc...). Most of what the western academia is "discovering" now, is basically confirming the traditional muslim view on their religion. And they know it, because they cite the enormous work already done very early on by pious muslim scholars.
I think the big issue of "preservation" of the Quran today is stemming from a relatively modern idea of infallibility of the text "word for word, letter for letter, dot for dot" that some fringe but very vocal muslims are promoting. If these people talk to actual muslim scholars, they will be reprimanded for being ignorant but the world now is ruled by the most successful in promoting their idea, not by the content of those ideas
@@zeustn9525 Talking publicly in some countries would lose him his head
All the variants are accepted as the Qur'an by the scholars. All variants are accepted in Islam by the scholars. You need to understand that variants are allowed in Islam because the Prophet Muhammad said there were variations but when they occur in the Bible the scholars inevitably have to assume corruption.
@@eatingeatingeating That’s incorrect. Islam has consistent stated that not a letter nor a dot was ever changed in the Quran.
As to the Bible of course there are minor variants this is an ancient document. Manuscripts have been studied by academia for decades.
Why dont you interview some of the muslim scholars. Like Asrar Rashid?
Ayesha's age at marriage has been over simplified. For example, even Jariir at-Tabari presents conflicting narrations on it. While in earlier part of his work he presents narrations of her being very young, in the same work (>History of Prophets and Kings) he has as many narrations that make her in her late teens or early twenties. Ibn Sa'd in his work (at-Tabaqaat al-Kubra) says that Ayesha was first engaged (even married!) to Jubair ibn Mu'tim ibn 'Adi, an this was about 15 years before the Hijrah to Madina. In that city the marriage to the Prophet took place in 2 AH. Furthermore at the time of the Hijraah, Asma - Ayesha's older sister by 10 years was about 28-29. This makes Ayesha around 18-19. >two years later when she married the Prophet would make her 20-21 years old. This fits with other accounts too, such as her rivalry with the Prophet's daughter, Fatimah. A well-attested fact.
The Sunnis have gone for the young Ayesha as bride rather than the older oen because it's part of the standard narrative of theirs that portrays Ayesha as the very young innocent bride who was always innocent of her actions. This covers her later actions in life that can best be described as insincere. Sunni historians (Tabari, Baladhuri, Ibn Sa'd etc.) mention that she incited the people of Madina to rise up against Uthman, the 3rd caliph, when he refused her request to grant her a bigger share of the remaining inheritance from her late husband's property, i.e. the Prophet's meager material legacy, saying, "Kill the na'thal for he has sinned [ اقْتُلُوا نَعْثَلا فَقَدْ كَفَرَ ].
When the agitation in Madina started to rise against Uthman, she left for Mecca, only deciding to return after he was killed. On the way she learned that the Madinans had chosen Ali as the next ruler. Her anger immediately erupted and turned she into 'an avenger' for Uthman's blood! Umm Kilab who was with her retorted that she had incited the people to kill him (Uthman) "and now you want to avenge his blood"!
Sunni writer have themselves presented facts about Ayesha that question her sincerity and integrity, as we see from the example above. Nothing could work better to cover up her misdeeds (others include launching the First Civil War in Islamic history, called the Battle of Basrah or Jamal!) than have her as the very young innocent bride often portrayed, despite the equally strong, if not stronger, evidence of her as a mature bride. *This is not a Shia-Sunni dispute when you look at what the early Muslim historians write about her, the vast majority of whom were Sunnis* !
I wish he said "I don't know" in
1:42:00
There are plenty of prophesies in the Quran and he doesn't know. Go look it up.
Exactly
As a very respectable colleague says (- The Nabataean world appears to have been the setting of the Qur’an’s
‘lost’ Arabian tribes, as both Ad and Thamud can be located within it. These references, together with the Arabic language and script of the
Qur’an, could point to a Nabataean heritage for its original audience.
But there is no proof for that. Even the 7th Century Meccan was curious where did Muhammad get his material from bcz they never heard similar recitation before.
The question i have is how arab is connected to nabatians historicaly who were the nabatians.
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Ad and Tamud was completely destroyed. And the Holy Qur’an did confirm that the people of Arabs always go through those places
but didn’t realize that they were much much more stronger than the Arabs but no remnants were left except their homes.
And Petra ,Madani Saleh are great example of the Qur’anic information.
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Nabatean is a made up story. They can’t produce Petra or Madani Saleh . Arabs are always there . And the group of arrogant / prideful people get destroyed by their Lord.
@@libanali1626Nabateans were an Arab tribe living in today's Jordan who were part of the Roman Empire from very early on. They at one point managed to split away from the Empire and set up their own mini-Empire before the Romans reconquered them. Their ancient capital Petra is a world heritage site.
"lets become better people!" I like that =). I think that sums it ALL up! here a thought on 'the sword' ... it has been used as a symbol for the mind (element air) it cuts both ways depending on its use ... to cut the ties of ignorance and reveal truth that leads to wisdom and peace (paradise) or to simply cause further useless bloodshed and pain. I guess we all have to decide for ourselves ...
Mohammed heard a voice in a cave, he told his Christian wife who thought he had got possessed or gone mad so took him to see a Christian prest who told Mohammed it was angel Gabriel talking to Mohammed. So what we learn is that the Christians are responsible for creating Islam, if the prest said it was the jinn god Iblis which was common to hear jinns living in caves at that time period then we would have a satanic occult to Jinns. Mohammed never got his message directly from God but though angel Gabriel in modern times we call people who talk to angels mediums or Christian spiritualists. The message from angel Gabriel is third party only Christians got their message directly and even Sikhs like Guru Nanak received his message directly from God as he was receiving it was putting it onto paper.
great comment! Dhan guru nanak!
So according to you Muhammad SAW was a Christian spiritualist??
@@thedoublesgame9709 Christians will literally make up anything.
@Isaiah Caillier provide evidence please for your conclusions
@Isaiah Caillier
Surah an nisa (4:171)
O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion[1] or say about Allāh except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allāh and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allāh and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allāh is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allāh as Disposer of affairs.
Where does it say Muhammad pbuh is influenced by the devil?
There were 2 primary sources for mohammed's revelations. When he was 12 yrs old a Christian hermit followed him around while uncle Talib was trying to do business w the locals. He told the 12 yr old a lot, which the kid memorized. Young Mohammed was very tall and good looking for his age, attracting random people to follow him around. Once he had his terrifying first mushroom trip where he sees Gabriel telling him things he'd learned from the hermit, mohammed ran to his wife babbling. She took him to her elderly paternal cousin, who had been a Christian priest, with an extensive written collection, including his own essays on how people should conduct themselves. After the old man felt there was something to an illiterate young man's claims, which synced well with Christian scripture, he declared him legit. When the old man died soon after, mohammed's wife took all of the writings into her house and read them out loud to her husband. After Mohammed died, Ali (adopted son & son in law) gathered up all of these writings to help him write his history, alongside the dictatiion he took while walking alongside mohammed.
Quran. The book is the miracle! Nothing else matters
@jd454545 Khadija was key and tried her best. She made sure all of her children, natural and adopted, were literate, and at least read to her husband, who had an excellent memory. Ali could have done so much more had Mohammed not been so paranoid that a bacterial infection would be "proof " of a demon possession. If he'd taken the medicine, he'd have survived and supported Ali better. The husbands of the daughters caused a split in the movement that today has still not healed. A better understanding of antibiotic herbs, and needing to not expose his young boys to travellers who might be sick, might have even saved one or both of his young sons. Even Thomas Jefferson lost all but his oldest daughter due to having too many social visitors at the dinner table. Patsy was old enough to survive by the time the dinners picked up pace. His wife's half sister was much more successful. Other than one stillborn girl, all of her children by Tom made it to adulthood, because they weren't introduced to travelers.
Understanding all options for success, plus a sane and well thought out succession strategy, is crucial for every leader.
Thank you so much Dr Seal W Anthony for exposing Robert spencer 👍
Check out the interview Derek did with Robert Hoyland called Was Umar the Messiah?
Amazing...would be good if can discuss about treaty of hudaibiyyah.. is it real or just a myth or exaggerated by the tradition.
Why would they lie about that. That is my problem with people . The traditional story is nothing that mad. You can just ignore all religious meanings to it. Apart from that the story is no different from that of many other warlord in history with the express diffrence of it was religion that bound the arabs rather than nationalism