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Hungarian KGPF-9: Kalashnikov Genetics in a 9mm SMG
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This modern Hungarian submachine gun bears a remarkable similarity to the AKM rifle in many aspects, from the pistol grip to many of the manufacturing practices. In fact, the more we did into the gun, the more Kalashnikov influence we can see in it. This particular example is semiautomatic only, but the weapon is made as both a civilian carbine and as a fully automatic submachine gun for military sales. And no, it's not available in the United States - my thanks to its anonymous owner outside the US for sharing it with us!
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Just a little extra info here.
I am a Hungarian gun entusiast, so I try to keep track of the local weapons industrty. Well, this is quiet easy to do, becouse this submachine gun is one of the latest firearm designs went into serial production in Hungary.
It was designed in the late 80s (under communist rule) by Zoltán Horváth (engineer of FÉG) but serial production actually started in the late 90s. It is allegedly used by hungarian prison guards and the Hungarian army (later is told to have around 1000 pcs, full production numbers are not public). I personally saw 2 military police guys carrying it on patrol a few weeks ago, so it is actually in use. It was also used by Hungarian soldiers in Afghanistan. Until this video I didn't know about any semi-auto or export versions.
It is know by the name of KGP-9 (without the "F"), it stands for Komondor géppisztoly (Komondor Submachine-gun) or Kis géppisztoly (small submachine-gun).
The gun is told to be very reliable, very controllable in full auto despite it has a very high firing rate. The magazine is 25 rounds. During service trials it was compared with the Mini UZI, Glock-18, APS-9 and vz.68. It turned out to be completely reliable even under dusty conditions, and to have superior service life (around 10.000 shots) compared to the other tested guns. It was also very cheap, allegedly around 20% of the contemporary western submachine guns.
So this is the perfect SMG, isn't it. Well, not quite. It's time to talk about the bad. It has terrible ergonomics. The folding stock is just as bad as the AK counterpart, the sight is permanently fixed on the receiver cover, after disassembly this will never be at the same position as before. Some (probably prototype) versions had a charging handle made from the trigger, actually a sharp ended hook capable of making hand injuries. No flashlight or laser pointer can be attached (at least officially). The foregrip (which is removed in the video) is too wide to hold the gun comfortably. Some experts say it is absolutely inadequate for professional (especially police) use.
zaporozsec1 with a few additions I think it could be a great little gun. If special forces were seen using it in Afghanistan still it must be doing something right
@@mikemike6908 Not special forces, just soldiers. You could see a some in the Petőfi (MP only as far as I know) and in Szentendre, maybe not since the adoption of scorpion evo 3, but they sill have it.
AJTHAxx read what I said again. I was just talking about Afghanistan. I’m sure nobody will be using them soon with the addition of the new scorpion evo
@@mikemike6908 Két magyar angolul beszéli meg... vicces.
@@szardroid Ja, gondoltam, ha más is elolvassa, az is értheti, és az eredeti is ángélusul volt.
@Miklós Nagy Ezt írtad: "If special forces were seen using it in Afghanistan still it must be doing something right." Erre válaszoltam. A KMZ nem használta tudtommal ezt a csúzlit Afganisztánban.
hozzászólásom célja nem sértés volt, csak javítás.
This thing looks like the kind of gun I would draw up as a kid
Hello Golden Caulk. How often do you leave the first comment? Good skils! The guns I drew as a kid were much bigger.
TheGoldenCaulk Yeah, but when we were kids the teacher may or may not have told us , " Don't draw that. Guns are bad." . Now a kid would get handcuffed or at least suspended for saying he wanted to think about drawing something that might kinda resemble a completely leagal BBgun his family actually gave him for Christmas.
Peace be with you my brother.
Usually schools aren't that crazy, it's just that the ones that are make the news every time anything happens. I was in high school until fairly recently (2014) and printed out pictures of subguns and assault rifles in the school library for projects and no one cared. A teacher did once tell me to stop telling kids the legal process for acquiring machine guns and other NFA items though but that's about it, and I can see why she wouldn't want someone who doesn't know they're legal to overhear something like "I know a place that sells machine guns" in a school. I doubt that they're any harsher towards the younger kids, it'd probably still just be the possibility of being told to stop drawing them. Things are never as bad as the news makes them out to be.
Looks like the kind of gun I held up the neighbor boy with as a kid.
Good times, er, simpler times.
Imagine if she would met you now and see you watching these "dangerous, evil, corrupting" videos.
FEG wen bankrupt in 2004. This weapon is mainly used by prison guards in Hungary, and is widely considered unergonomic. Greetings from Hungary!
An AK and an Uzi got drunk one night and made some bad life decisions... 9 months later, you get the KGPF-9.
Milsurp Mike Channel you beat me to the joke.
I'd say AK and Tec 9
looks like a "Walther MPL" but as an AK to me.
wimmisky wat
wimmisky That's not funny.
One little trivia: FÉG is Fegyver És Gázkészülékgyár. Which translates roughly to Arms and gas equipment factory. They produce small arms and gas boilers and burners :)
I think a word with that many accent marks legally qualifies as an assault weapon.
+Forgotten Weapons They are not accent marks. We just indicate long and ahort vovels with them. It can look ridiculous to someone who doesnt speak it tho, I guess.
+I need no channel youtube! always? or just when written for some foreign language speaker who would be sounding it out for the first time
+Chris Morse You get used to them I imagine. á is aa, é is ae and so on.
+I need no channel youtube! just sounds tedious and unnecessary. I mean once you know the word you know the vowel sound it uses.
there's a reason we only have them in the pronunciation part of dictionaries and the like
Hey Ian, have you ever thought about making videos on firearms tooling and manufacturing equipment? I think it would be really cool to see some of the technology used to actually manufacture these historical devices
Springfield Armory has a pretty good museum of manufacturing... there's one display just showing all the different steps to make the rear sight on an M1.
YT would probably take them down because "it teaches terrorists how to make weapons".
No actually gun Making is historical information so it's protected under the 2001 historic videos act. It's why videos of Columbine are still up
Derek Henschel: I can't find any reference to such an act, and regardless, it wouldn't affect RUclips anyway. RUclips is a private company and can decide what videos it wants to host and which ones it doesn't. The recent demonetization and deleting of gun videos was due to a private (and poorly made, IMO) decision by RUclips, and not due to any government pressure that I am aware of.
@@stanleynickjedrzejczyk4533 pretty ironic considering the only way to do a revolution is using firearms. its almost like the commies are also getting played.
As a Hungarian I can tell you that this is quite a terrible weapon. It's an interesting design, it had a potential but it was never a good weapon.
Unergonomic, uncomfortable, too high of a RoF especially with a 20 round mag.
It was designed in the late '80s, there were multiple attempts in the '90s to introduce this SMG to the Hungarian Army but it failed the tests and later on it just wasn't economical to adapt. In like 2000-2002 there were about 1000 of them bought, some saw service in Afghanistan but in the end everyone who this weapon was originially designed for got the MP5 instead because it's better by light-years.
After all with some updates and fixes it could've been a solid SMG but it never got the support or positive feedback that could've driven such a motion. Plus FÉG went bankrupt in 2004.
Nowadays we are purchasing CZ Scorpion EVO 3s for the police and army.
Szerintem igaza van. Én úgy tudom hogy cső túlmelegedési gondjai voltak a nagy tűzgyorsaság miatt.
@@MrSmiley-mr3gg He's right though
Wait...
Scorpiókat akarunk venni? Cseh CZ Scorpiont?
MP5 helyett? Azta....
I guess the AK design elements in this gun are a case of 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it.' lol
Or rather "the entire country can only produce AKs as automatic firearms and we need an SMG for NATO really ,really cheap".
@Neo Hungarian BarbarianI'd actually be curious to hear the stories you heard.
Generally the hungarian philosophy
This is absolutely awesome. We NEED these in the US. Akfiles would LOVE it
No we don't. It's generally hated by Hungarian Service members
I’m an active service member of the Hungarian Defence Forces Military Police and believe me... You don’t want this gun :D the mag released itself on the street before 30+ civilians not once. Laughingstock in the army
Lol
There's a certain charm to efficiently engineered firearms, it's always impressive to see impressively intricate mechanisms but so is seeing the lengths they manage to simplify them down to making the most of existing manufacturing equipment.
I don’t know why I’m so filled with joy every time you post a video of a gun from Hungary... but I’m happy
Hungarian gun nut here. Some additions.
KGP stands for "könnyű géppisztoly" which means light machine pistol. F means "félautomata", semi-automatic. By the way the manufacturer is not FEG but FÉG, with an accent on the E, and it's pronounced "fe-eg", not eff-ee-gee. But of course you can't speak every obscure language properly. :) FÉG stands for "Fegyver- és Gázkészülékgyár", Weapons and Gas Devices Factory. It's a large plant on the outskirts of Budapest and it has a long history and a major role in every turmoil we went through in the 20th century. It's been shut down a few years ago.
The KGP-9 wasn't the first Hungarian SMG, but the last one was the "Danuvia", a post-war design which saw only limited police use up until the early 1960s. When the KGP-9 was designed in the late 1980s, the Hungarian army didn't have submachine guns, but neither law enforcement, they also used AK assault rifles and some of the old Danuvias. The necessity of such a weapon arose when the police formed its first Western-style SWAT team, the Komondor Kommandó (named after a huge breed of dog, the komondor - today there's an armored military vehicle with this name) and the army also indicated its intent to depart from rigid Soviet military doctrines. Its parts were indeed designed with repurposing the machinery used to manufacture the AMD-65 and the AK-63D in mind. Those were the main products of FÉG for many decades, it only made sense to make something similar.
The military wasn't really satisfied with this gun, but they kept using them in small numbers anyway until they got MP5s. Some Hungarian UN troops on the Sinai Peninsula carried them, and as to my knowledge some of them were used in Iraq too. They've been phased out, though they're still on inventory. Nowadays it sees widespread use in correctional institutes. Go to any court in Budapest and sooner or later you'll see COs escorting inmates to hearings with one of these babies on their shoulders.
I'm really glad I stumbled on to you channel a few years ago? It's like a janes digest of guns but modernized and more informative glad I also got one of the "only dropped once" shirts I'm looking forward to the Sandinista - Contra early operator shirts or the "Camilo Cienfuegos" one but didn't buy the Polish one because didn't want to broadcast such things and stuff since .... Yeah
Just some small info: there is no weapon designated under the name AMD-63, only the AMD - 65 with folding stock, front grip and a muzzle brake. The AK variant Ian try to refer is the AKM-63, fixed stock, regular barrel length and the same style of foregrip.
The fire rate of the KGP-9 is 1200 rounds/minute, it is a fast shooting gun. The magazine capacity is 25 rounds.
Just some extra info:
AKM veriants:
AK-63 F [fatusás = wooden stock] fixed wooden butt stock
AK-63 D [deszant = paratrooper] under folding butt stock
AK-63 veriant:
AMD-65 carbine version, muzzle brake, front grip, metal heat shield, side folding wire stock
This is the best channel in youtube!
Ian sounds genuinely excited about this gun!
I'd love to have some nice quality images of this gun but can't find any on the web. Great video Ian!
It looks like a very well designed and thought out gun
Love to see it on the range.
This looks like what I'd imagine if Volvo was tasked to design an AK-based 9mm SMG.
It will be strange, but the abbreviation behind the KGP is: “Kis Gép-Pisztoly” which it means “Little Sub-Machinegun” - so Lil’ SMG
F maybe the abr. of “Fél-automata” so “Semi-auto” -> Due to the export model
Otherwise by the FÉG the F abr., served for “Fatusás” as “Wooden” furniture. Because there was a KGP version (Samples) which manufactured with longer barrel, and assembled with wooden handguard and wooden sport stock.
I think the AK design elements are brilliant, easy to re-use tooling as you suggested and the first thing that came to my mind was the ever present problem with a "peasant" army strategy is, manual of arms. So if poorly trained conscripts are already trained with an AK, transition to this weapon would require very little retraining, possibly even to the point that anyone in the squad could use this weapon should the need arise. Brilliant video as always keep up the great work.
Ian, Have you thought about doing interviews with the industrial engineers who worked on setting up manufacturing of different guns or tours of currently operating production lines?
The designer was Horvath Andras. He was working for FEG the Hungarian weapon factory. Yes Ian was right as usual because the FEG produced the AK for the Hungarian needs so the FEG used the same tools. The prototypes of the kgpf-9 were ready in 1988. The biggest user of the weapon the Hungarian prison service and Hungarian army has some. Was/is? service in Afganistian. I did not find any source for the production numbers or combat use.
Kicsit sárga, kicsit savanyú, de a miénk!
Sajna kábé annyira lőfegyver mint amennyire tégla.
@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 Ölni bármivel lehet, egy kicsi pisztollyal is
@@schpeti608 Téglával is.
@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 Én szerek vele lőni.A BV.-nél van dögivel.
@@budasardi4701 Nem érzed kissé nehéznek kezelni? Mem épp az ergonómia csúcsa.
I recall an old article, allegedly the soldiers were not particularly fond of it. It's not bad per se, they said it does the job, but there are just better guns available. Not perfectly applicable to this particular gun, but they mentioned the plastic furniture being low quality in the military version (The one that is merely KGP-9. The F simply marks the civilian variant). That's the only particular reasoning I remember.
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if the similarities to an AK is really due to just making it cheaper with the reusing the tooling and stuff.
Yes, I read it. They were salty about it. But they were also bit exaggerating it.
The quality was problem, do to getting close to bankruptcy(yes, once again, but was the last time they escaped it).
ARs, LMGs, SMGs, shotguns- is there anything the AK platform can't be used for?
Pistol
dror kapon there are ak "pistols" in the us
Rocket launchers
Keyboard Warrior RPG-7 looks like an AK though...
I would say a shovel, but someone actually made a functional AK shovel, so I got nothing here.
There is something to be said about the sheer beauty of the aesthetic simplicity of this smg
Always love me some hungarian weapon video
I'd buy it , it looks like a fun little plinker and it looks nice too!
Add a huge bayonet to it and it could be a bolter from Warhammer 40k
44WarmocK77 look up AGS-30
Mag should be comically larger, _and curved of course_
if you think this is a Bolter go look up the Fostech Origin. just saw off the barrel and it’s pretty much one
Scale it up significantly.
I've found the following on hungarian wikipedia:
The gun was designed by Ferenc Földi (ret. colonel), who was also - among others - the designer of the "Gepárd M1" anti-material rifle. (The other guns in the family - M2 to M6 - were designed by József Szép) The KGP-9 submachine gun was made only in small numbers because of the bad financial situation of the FÉG company and because the Hungarian police - the potentionally biggest user - didn't accept it. (rather bought foreign products) It was finally accepted by the Hungarian Army (MH) in 2004, but it's only used in very small numbers. The produced guns went mostly to detention officers in prisons.
And I've found much more infos (about the design history and others) which I can gladly translate for you Ian, if you're interested.
Not a bad looking SMG - thanks Ian
It's a very cool small arm and the barrel removal reminds me of the grease gun
Who dislikes these videos? As cool as this channel is, it's pretty niche. Who else is finding these these videos besides the intended audience? And then disapproving of them?
Romanians
FEG also made some fine handguns,
the high power knock-offs,
and the ever so unique GKK45.
Спасибо за отличный обзор)
Maybe if you have the chance in the future to come close to an bulgarian smg arsenal shipka,and maybe make a video about it also,it would be so nice
Forgotten weapons Drinking game
Take a shot every time Ian says AK
Spitfire24 what do I drink when he brings out an actual AK to compare
joetca Vodka!
I'd like to survive to get to the hospital, thanks!
Ian wrestling with gun parts... so satisfying for some reason
I'd make the front handle thinner by about 10mm from all sides and installed short picatinny rails on both sides and the bottom. And the top cover should have the picatinny rail throughout the whole length. Also the inner parts could be simplified a lot. And that would be, basically, a perfect submachine gun. Probably better than MP5.
In reference to the front hand grip being removed, if it was meant to be used in the US then it would have to be defined as a pistol, and you can't have a vertical foregrip on a pistol because they're defined by a firearm that is designed and intended to be shot with one hand (yes, I know we all shoot handguns with two hands ideally but this is the definition in US federal law). This is why you'll never see a vertical foregrip on an AR pistol. The ATF came out and said that angled foregrips (like the magpul AFG) are OK for whatever reason, but if you put a vertical foregrip on an AR pistol it becomes a short barrelled rifle and they come after you.
It's funny how a lot of sci fi battle rifles and carbine designs I've seen over the years look so much like this gun. Small differences here and there, but overall the same look. Also I would love to see you fire this piece.
That's probably because a lot of sci-fi authors used an AK as a reference material.
Do you read my mind Ian? This would have been my other suggestion after the Kucher K1 :D
Cool simplicity.
So this thing is like a hybrid of one of those weird MAC-10/Uzi cartoon combo guns and an AK. I like it.
looks cool
looks like quite a nice little sub gun :3
Looks like a much blockier Walther MPL.
Don't think that's possible. MPL is as blocky as a gun can be while shooting round bullets. Same as G11.
It's Kraut space magik meets Hungarian space witchcraft.
It's for the AK what the MP5 is for the G3.
To me, it reminds me of a blockier OTS-02 Kiparis with AK style sights.
Bojler eladó!
I've got the PPK clone that FEG made and it's an enjoyable gun to shoot though they changed a couple things in the firing pin assembly that make taking it apart for thorough cleaning very annoying (very tiny firing pin retention spring with equally tiny cap, the hole for the ejector spring goes all the way through so it comes flying out the back when you take the firing pin out). Basically, if you want to take that apart it's best to do so while holding it inside a bag so when those damn parts come loose and go flying they end up in the bag and not lost somewhere on the floor.
Also, don't use hot ammo in that gun because the pressure will break the tiny firing pin retention spring.
Ian, could you do a video on the Norinco/Polytech/Valmet Hunter models?
Waiting for Capandball to come forward with some info!
This is reminiscent of Italy's Franchi LF-57 SMG, also in 9mm Para.
A nagymamámtól kérdeztem erről a dolgról, mivel a nagyapám egy szegedi fegyvergyárban dolgozott Szeged közelében. tudta, hogy valami korai moduláris kalashnikovról van szó
is a futuristic kirpaly
Jan, if you can, take a look at PP-19 Bison. It is a very similar ak-based Russian SMG with interesting cylindrical mag
Avtomat Kalashnikova, You are the Father!
Kalashnikova would indicate a women in Russian, actually the daughter of Mr Kalashnikov, so the mother is the AK74?
-a can also indicate that it's possessive, so he's right
@@betaich it's not the same in Cyrillic
If you look at the kgp9 it is quite cool, the grip makes it look a lot less crude and boxy.
There was also sporting carbine version with long barrel and wooden stock.
In the same concept, there is a similar idea to using VZ 58 receivers as the base for 9mm smgs, but it is unclear whether they are prototypes or one-off custom jobs.
Thats a decent looking gun!
I would love to own one of these because it looks like a ton of fun to shoot. Of course it would have to be an SBR here in the U.S. which is a long process and I doubt mags for it are common or cheap. Now if there was a version without the stock or a 16" length barrel instead that would take UZI mags...now that would be awesome.
You wouldn't have to register it at all. 2A says we can have whatever guns we want without any law or regulation. Stop being a nazi collaborationist.
wow i have never even heard of this thing
cool shirt!
I think this is the first gun I've seen where the selector favors left handers.
It seems rather 'user-unfriendly' to stick a safe position between two firing positions.
Any idea on how common selector switches along the lines of full-safe-semi are used in designs rather than safe-full-semi or safe-semi-full.
Feels like it would take a needless level of care when putting the weapon on safe if 'safe' isn't at one extreme of travel for the selector. (ie, push it 'as far as it goes' in that direction, and you're confident that you're on safe.)
Reminds me of my electric drill/screw machine: clockwise, safe, counterclockwise
+Synthusiast could even see that being the inspiration, tho was that already common in electronic drills then? I know battery technology wasn't near what we have but I'm sure features carried over from old corded ones as well
reminds me of how when Lamborghini sent the Cheetah or whatever test version of the LM002 to the army and they wrecked it pretty quickly, and the Hummer got the deal. in theory a mid engine v12 would be the perfect vehicle but when have kids who have grown up driving front engine 4wd trucks their whole lives the family tops weight balance and whatnot!
+Chris Morse familiarity not family
RealLuckless, I know nothing about guns, but it really seems like a *safety nightmare* ...
It gets even worse: If you have the semi-auto version, you've probably trained yourself to put the selector all the way to the right in order to make it safe, both for convenience and because it's actually safer on that particular version of the gun (less chance of not fully clicking into place).
Then one day your superiors hand you the full-auto variant. Due to muscle memory, you still put it all the way to the right and leave it there. Oops!
This gun in general looks usable but doesn't look too ergonomic nor user unfriendly in general. Sort of goes with the Soviet theme ov making guns usable but stil crude.
SMG IS FINE.
NYET, we need to replace PPSH/PPS-43 with some sort of funky AK version.
also make it 9x18 because fuck tokarev and his handgun.
Would totally buy a pistol or rifle version of this.
He’s just flexing by pulling out that AK-74 as a reference point.
Ian this gun is adorable. Are these and were these ever imported into the United States
The magazine looks very much like polish pm-84 in 9mm para.
blumenkameraden i know its the same cartridge but Ian mentioned that the magazine is proprietary but in my opinion it looks very much the same as pm-84. And trust me, there is a lot 9mm para guns with different magazine styles.
Thats a nice smg
The reason FEG used this design is their familiarity with the AK and the similar tool requirements. FEG is also a gas furnace manufacturer (or was at the time when they manufactured firearms). It was a common practice during the communism to pair ordinance manufacturing with domestic manufacturing that used similar technology.
"I'm a Colombian hmm, businessman...and we like this gun!" :-)
An AK hammer using compression spring was used on the czech Skorpion (the AK hammer is, in fact, a Browning hammer; Kalashnikov just copied the Browning hammer).
Actually the military police today uses this gun. I have asked two MP guys on the streets of Budapest.
Any chance we could get a video on a Korobov TKB-517? It's hard to find much about it in english.
FEG also made some pretty decent Hi Power clones.
2 mins - yea for working from home!
I defiantly see a lot of similarities with Chiappa PAK-9 which is made in Romania by Cugir. I wish they went with the riveted mag well over the polymer one it currently uses.
Right, KGP is supposedly a shortage for "kézi géppisztoly" where géppisztoly is compound word 'machine-pistol" not totally apart from MG in German, from where Kalshnyikov's enhancments originally started though, and being the equivalent on 'machine gun' in English.
the F in KGPF is I suppose stabding for 'félautomata'' , 'half-automatic' that is.
Yeah, FÉG Is for Fegyver- és Gázkészülékgyár. Plenty of gas chauffage for rooms were made there.
That has got to be one of the stranger sub-guns I've seen in a while.
It appears that the hole in the bottom of the front of the receiver is for the reverse angled grip from the amd rifles
Looks good, if they brought these back but more rails and higher rate of fire or perhaps even a more sub compact version.
the front of the mag well looks very much like an uzi. like the feed ramp and how the barrel looks into the ramp and front trunnion. it is a lovechild of uzi and ak. love from Israel Ian
That Aks74u though, full auto variant too!
i served with this ! ( memories)
Hey all, as for the history of the gun (translation of HU wikipedia - I am Hungarian but also couldn't find too much about this piece):
In the '80s there was no official submachine gun in the HU armed forces, so the FÉG started to make this design in 1986, for self-defense and law enforcement purposes. The design is based on the 9x19mm Parabellum ammo.
Designed by FÉG engineer Zoltán Horváth. First test pieces were finished in 1988, with the project-name Komondor (that is a huge HU sepherd dog). The gun passed the tests and was considered suitable for commission by the army. However due to the political changes of that time (democratic changes of '89-90 in Central Europe), it was contracted and finalized.
The Ministry of Internal Affairs showed interest towards the gun and put it up to more tests in 1993, under the name KGP-9, these also became successful. Small batches were sent to police forces for field tests, however its reception was not without criticism so it was put aside and foreign submg.s were purchased.
Due to financial issues of the manufacturer, it was never manufactured in bigger No.s. Its main operators currently are the prison guards and the HU army commissioned a smaller batch of it in 2004.
Any chance you can get your hands on an Agram 2000? Not a lot of information out there on it and it seemes to be parroted that it is built after the Beretta PM12. Other than a passing appearance, I'm curious to know if it actually is similar.
Looks like a love child of AK and Uzi.
makes sense if you think about, if your military's main rifle is an AK why not make an SMG based on it so the military will be more inclined to adopt it as it would reduce training as the people it's going to be issued to will already be familiar with the AK.
Reminds me of the PSG,& M4. Its 9mm,too.
I've seen these for sale here in Canada. Interesting how many AK similarities it has and yet we can't have most AK's (Valmet's don't count according to the horse cops).
Seems like it would be easy to recreate
Well, this one is kinda interesting, is it a sample? T.&E. Where is it ?stateside? I like F.E.G. products btw, good quality, usually thrifty as well, sa85 ect. Nice one,
I’d say this is more like an AK/Uzi hybrid. Whoever designed this clearly understood both, and was able to combine features in an exceptionally clever manner.
I can seriously imagine this being a pleasure to shoot, it looks like a fantastic weapon. I’m pretty amazed this never came to the states, you’d think the closed bolt/hammer fired design would make it easy to make fit to our compliance laws.
I'd doubt it. It is clearly designed for minimal cost over anything else and probably as ergonomic as AK or worse. Except maybe reliability. Read up further, there are Hungarians reporting about this.
Wow, now this is a forgotten weapon
Its not forgotten we still use it daily on the job.
Nice!
Maybe we should start making every part of every gun interchangeable whenever possible. So if you break both an assault riffle and a sub machine gun at the same time you can have a working version of one of them until you get new parts.
You have summarized why the AK is the most widely used assault rifle in the world.
*clatter*
".....the charging handle is a separate piece."
Make a video about the Kedr 9mm