@@treyebillups8602 That's good, always felt it was a very lazy moral equivalency with very little in the way of reasoning. The DSR is no doubt going to be incompetent and probably drenched in blood simply as a result of the circumstances of its birth (a student movement in the bloodiest era in German history within TNOTL), but having them basically enact Nazi policies because... they don't know what Marxism is?? Up to and including maintaining the Eastern Reichskommissariats?? That doesn't even make sense - in my opinion any red student movement would probably fetishize the Sovjets and hand over much of the Eastern territories rather than maintain them. Having them randomly be a Pol-Pot analogue in Western Europe because wacky grimdark is stupid, they should be more like ITTL Cultural Revolution era China where there is a fierce iconoclasm and anti-state attitude among the revolutionary students, while some upper levels of the DSR Party and bureaucracy (old Left communists like Thalmann if he is still alive) trying to maintain some level of order and build a state that can at least survive. Not a recipe for stability for sure and they can get up to some crazy shit, but having a TNO "Red Final Solution" where they try to erase everything German is kinda ridiculous lore and honestly in a weird way sort of validates Nazi tropes and narratives.. Like the fascist rhetoric is "don't let the Bolsheviks take over because they'll erase German culture and rape and pillage their way across our beautiful homeland and burn everything" and making the DSR some Pol-Pot shit where they literally destroy everything makes the fascist rhetoric actually valid and true, which is more than a little questionable from a historical and story standpoint. I hope the older lore is scrapped in favor of something more nuanced and interesting.
@@EdgyBushMan Yeah, if real life history is to be believed and the Soviets winning caused them to be vengeful toward the German population, I hate to think what the Soviets would do after losing twice and having Russia flung into anarchy, the only things worse for Germany would be a Russian Fascistic path which aren't German cronies(e.g Omsk) or Meinhof
@@NarinaSotha Genocide literally means murder of a specific race. "Genos" means race. Nazis aren't a race - its political violence. Maybe they should have considered what might happen to them one day before butchering innocent Jews, socialists, union workers, and others.
@@AodhMacAuliffe Yeah like, I literally couldn't give less of a shit what happens to the Nazis under Meinhof. They forfeited their human rights when they committed the Shoah. This is also one of the reasons why I can't, either in OTL or TNOTL, find even the slightest bit of sympathy for Abba Kovner's victims.
@@LeDingueDeJeuxVideos der heimliche aufmarsch is a German anti fascist song from the early 1930's, and der offene aufmarsch is a East German March song, as far as I understand at least lol
Removed from game, but if you downgrade to an older version(idk how old or what version specifically) you have to make the German Civil War last way longer and eventually the DSR pops up in Germany.
More accurately, 60s style student activists. Given the crazy the Japanese Red Army reverted to for example oh boy we gon have fun when they get state power!
Just a clarification. Wasn't the Meinhof the Communist paramilitary that plagued West Germany? Or is this just a common word when referring to Communist organizations Germany?
Meinhoff was a terrorist in our timeline, and in TNO's timeline she's the leader of Germany's communist faction that emerges if the Nazi civil war takes too long
When the German Civil War drags on for too long, the Red Armie Fraktion will rise up in Speer's Germany, led by Meinhof. They're very weak so unless all other contenders are weaker or you got skills, they'll be crushed.
What the commenter above said, however, the German Anarchy (the event where the Meinhof’s DSR rises up in Speer’s Germany, as well as other extremist factions like in the Iberian anarchy) is disabled currently as it has no content.
Virgin Grossafrikaner Reichstaat
Chad Grossgermania Volksstaat
"Reutilize the Camps"
Revolution is Beguns. ! +1
Revolution is Beguns. ! +1 And Born. ! +1
I cannot wait for the DSR to get content.
That's bound to be one wild ride.
If there will be a Strasserist path I will be happy
I think the DSR is getting changed from the “nazis with a communist veil” theme so that’s good imo
@@treyebillups8602 That's good, always felt it was a very lazy moral equivalency with very little in the way of reasoning. The DSR is no doubt going to be incompetent and probably drenched in blood simply as a result of the circumstances of its birth (a student movement in the bloodiest era in German history within TNOTL), but having them basically enact Nazi policies because... they don't know what Marxism is?? Up to and including maintaining the Eastern Reichskommissariats?? That doesn't even make sense - in my opinion any red student movement would probably fetishize the Sovjets and hand over much of the Eastern territories rather than maintain them. Having them randomly be a Pol-Pot analogue in Western Europe because wacky grimdark is stupid, they should be more like ITTL Cultural Revolution era China where there is a fierce iconoclasm and anti-state attitude among the revolutionary students, while some upper levels of the DSR Party and bureaucracy (old Left communists like Thalmann if he is still alive) trying to maintain some level of order and build a state that can at least survive. Not a recipe for stability for sure and they can get up to some crazy shit, but having a TNO "Red Final Solution" where they try to erase everything German is kinda ridiculous lore and honestly in a weird way sort of validates Nazi tropes and narratives.. Like the fascist rhetoric is "don't let the Bolsheviks take over because they'll erase German culture and rape and pillage their way across our beautiful homeland and burn everything" and making the DSR some Pol-Pot shit where they literally destroy everything makes the fascist rhetoric actually valid and true, which is more than a little questionable from a historical and story standpoint. I hope the older lore is scrapped in favor of something more nuanced and interesting.
@@Condobius Why not both?
Germania 2 seconds later after being captured by Soviets
this is actually if Meinhof siezes power
Let's just say soviets would be 100x better than meinhof
@@EdgyBushMan Yeah, if real life history is to be believed and the Soviets winning caused them to be vengeful toward the German population, I hate to think what the Soviets would do after losing twice and having Russia flung into anarchy, the only things worse for Germany would be a Russian Fascistic path which aren't German cronies(e.g Omsk) or Meinhof
Based
Tukhachevsky would probably divide Germany into regional socialist republics
Germany:*falls into anarchy and badly needs a legitamate goverment*
Ulrike Meinhof:This looks like a job for me
To be Ulrike Meinhof's Government still batter then if tho she's a Communist it mean Europe can be "saved" from the nazis
Im pretty sure i heard somewhere Meinhoff is gonna be AS bad as the nazis, and Europe wouldn’t be saved (Remember, Himmler)
@@icat0753 40 million Germans
"This isn't working..."
Baaaased
Everyone says Himmler is the Gamer . They are very wrong.
yeah it's goring
@@cookingwithtool159 *vöring
Nah, biggest gamers are Tabby and Velimir
@@katzenbox No, Himmler just toxic gamer
Dirlewanger is a based gamer
“Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus”
Let justice be done, though the world perish.
"Germania delenda est" - T.N.O. Meinhof, probably
@@YTScrwdUp *yazov
can we talk about the chin on that guy on the bottom right
Chad
Deutsche Ingenieurskunst
The Gamer Girl
"Yass slay kween"
-Stasi officer, probably.
wonder when ulrike will release her own gamer girl bath water
soon hopefully
she better be dressed as a cat girl or I’m not buying
The ACTUAL gamer girl:
Denazification has begun)
BASED MODE
Imagine the year is 2029 you are playing hoi4 with your gang and Germany falls into anarchy and all of the sudden that event showed up
My #1062 dream
Hoi4 in 2029? Just shoot me already.....
Why 2029?
Just curious, why is the events title "the final answer"?
Play on the final solution
The Final Answer to the Nazi question, a play on The Final Solution to the Jewish Question
@@ryannash1177 thanks man, I figured something like that but wasn't sure
Because you can bet it involves camps. Lots and lots of camps.
DSR isn't gonna end well
Gatekeep. Gaslight. Girlboss.
German People Tired of War: You have freed us
DSR: Oh I wouldn't say freed, more like under new management
A red sun rises
Blood will be spilled this night.
Based and gdr-pilled
also epic song
Strasser GANG?
BASEDDD
BASED BASED BASED
Duurrh cringe
@@NarinaSotha This, but unironically.
@@chsgrate5362 blessed
@@NarinaSotha Genocide literally means murder of a specific race. "Genos" means race. Nazis aren't a race - its political violence. Maybe they should have considered what might happen to them one day before butchering innocent Jews, socialists, union workers, and others.
@@AodhMacAuliffe Yeah like, I literally couldn't give less of a shit what happens to the Nazis under Meinhof. They forfeited their human rights when they committed the Shoah. This is also one of the reasons why I can't, either in OTL or TNOTL, find even the slightest bit of sympathy for Abba Kovner's victims.
The song would be more appropriate if it's Der Haimliche Aufmarsch
Admittedly, I wanted something even more militant to drive home the parallels to the Reich Meinhof deposed in this outcome.
Huh? I don't get it, I thought this WAS the song used?
@@LeDingueDeJeuxVideos this is der offene aufmarsch, they have the same tune, just different lyrics.
@@jordancoleman4051 ah I see, thanks. Why would the other be more appropriate?
@@LeDingueDeJeuxVideos der heimliche aufmarsch is a German anti fascist song from the early 1930's, and der offene aufmarsch is a East German March song, as far as I understand at least lol
Their uniforms are somewhat similar to Marleyans.
They’re actual East German uniforms though.
@@MdArtsandGaming Yeah, I get it, but you'd get the self-hating fluff too.
I would propose using the song of the party (Lied der Partei) instead of the heimlicher aufmarsch
B-B-B-BASED
Very based
Pls make for the Song a Full Version!
We have Meinhof’s Germany, now we need Japan under Fusako Shigenobu
America under Gus Hall
Revolution is Beguns. ! +1 And Born. ! +1
Chaotic evil end for germania right here
no, this is chaotic good
Based beyond comprehension
based
When you think it couldn't come any worse...
Its better
@@pastille2585 Nuclear war in Germany followed by the Khmer Rouge taking power isn't really better.
@@pastille2585 Lmfao no.
Best outcome for the entire world.
Lawful good ending
You are aware Meinhof basically restarts the Holocaust right, just for a different group of vaguely defined 'enemies'?
@@herbivorethecarnivore8447 I do not give a fuck
@@herbivorethecarnivore8447 Nazis, that's who, and that's based af
@@houssam6318 Meinhof basically defines 'Nazis' as anyone who didn't resist enough. To her, that is the entire population of Germany.
@@herbivorethecarnivore8447 hello based dept
How i can get DSR?
Removed from game, but if you downgrade to an older version(idk how old or what version specifically) you have to make the German Civil War last way longer and eventually the DSR pops up in Germany.
When a bunch of twitter tankies take over a country.
@Salmim Killing anyone who disagree with them is quite based though.
@Hussein yeah meinhof seems too based to be from fucking twitter
More accurately, 60s style student activists. Given the crazy the Japanese Red Army reverted to for example oh boy we gon have fun when they get state power!
Just a clarification. Wasn't the Meinhof the Communist paramilitary that plagued West Germany? Or is this just a common word when referring to Communist organizations Germany?
You're referring to the Red Army Faction, I think. Meinhof in OTL was a significant figure in it.
Meinhoff was a terrorist in our timeline, and in TNO's timeline she's the leader of Germany's communist faction that emerges if the Nazi civil war takes too long
Right on the money.
Context?
Meinhof does the holocaust, but against the nazis
@@ianpogorelov4151 fucking based
More like the Final Insult.
How do you get Meinhof in power?
When the German Civil War drags on for too long, the Red Armie Fraktion will rise up in Speer's Germany, led by Meinhof. They're very weak so unless all other contenders are weaker or you got skills, they'll be crushed.
What the commenter above said, however, the German Anarchy (the event where the Meinhof’s DSR rises up in Speer’s Germany, as well as other extremist factions like in the Iberian anarchy) is disabled currently as it has no content.
What song?
workers united front
ruclips.net/video/RFv3avuTjGo/видео.html