Is Jesus King on David's Throne Today? What Scripture Reveals
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- Опубликовано: 23 май 2024
- Is Jesus currently on David's throne? This is one of the perennial questions within eschatology. You may be surprised to know that Scripture speaks specifically to this issue. The Bible helps us answer many questions about the Davidic throne, especially concerning where the throne is located and when Jesus will ascend to it. Join host Peter Goeman as he unpacks what the Bible says about Jesus' position on David's throne.
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Yeshua was promised the throne of His Father David, and as Arnold Fruchtenbaum astutely stated: "David never sat in heaven." That just about ends it. :)
Simple, yet instructive! 🙂
Understanding these differences is essential. Renald Showers also wrote excellently on the differences between Jesus' heavenly throne and His earthly throne. This is what sets dispensational hermeneutics apart.
I understand school being out changes schedules. Because I write the lessons, I had to give up teaching Sunday mornings in order to babysit grandsons this summer. Do what you can, I enjoy whatever you put out.
Thanks for the encouragement. You are a blessing.
Hi Peter, I just re-watched the episode on Jeff Durbin, and the True Israel of God, and liked it even better than the first time. I wrote down several valuable notes from points you brought up. I'm currently re-listening to the two-part episode on Dispensationalism with Doug Bookman, and am enjoying it as well. I always look forward to your podcasts and am about to listen to this one on David's throne.
I’m so encouraged that you have found some of these episodes helpful! I praise the Lord for that! May he continue to prompt your heart to study deep things pertaining to the Word.
Helpful and grounded in Scripture. Your channel here is a great complimentary resource for personal study.
Thanks for the encouragement my friend. May God continue to use it for His glory.
Such a GREAT LESSON....Thank you so much for this video.
So glad you found it helpful! Thanks for the encouragement.
Great work Peter. Would love to take some course work on the subject with yourself and Vlach
You are a blessing brother. One thing you would be very interested in is Vlach's new course he has released on eschatology: www.michaeljvlach.com/. It is fantastic!
I grew up in a Anabaptist setting and was taught a very confusing and vague "Kingdom now" theology. One Anabaptist minister who snuck through and taught/believed in dispensationalism directed me to Michael Vlach and I spent about 3 years listening to His lectures online from Masters Seminary. It felt like I was understanding the Bible for the 1st time! Thank you for these talks. We need help with all the deception floating around.
@@rayd1069 So glad to hear about your connection to my friend and colleague! He is a treasure and a tremendous blessing. Thanks for the encouragement my friend.
I’ve been slowly studying Psalm 8 recently and I’m just now working through the interpretive challenges of how the NT authors understood/applied the text (Jesus’ reference in Mt. 21:14-16, Paul in 1 Corinthians 15 and Ephesians 1:22, and then the Hebrews 2 passage). Your comments were very helpful in seeing how the intent behind Psalm 8 is not really changed in the NT. Thanks for the video!
Psalm 8 is one of my favorite psalms! Understanding the Davidic covenant and its relationship to Adam's role is crucial in my humble opinion. Kudos to you for spending time studying it!
I have found George N. H. Peters’ reminder of the two natures of Jesus as Son of God and Son of David to be helpful in this. It seems to me that when we conflate His present reign in heaven with His promised future reign in Jerusalem we are unintentionally mixing the two natures.
We make a lot of interpretive mistakes when we conflate everything to one category.
Do you think the overcomers will literally sit on the throne of heaven with Jesus - like on his lap? As Jesus is sitting on the Father's lap?
This passage seems to be a good example of how the "throne" is symbolic of authority. We "sit" on the throne with Jesus as we share in the authority he has given us - not that millions of people take turns sitting on a literal throne.
Thank you!
I’m glad you found it helpful!
Good stuff! There are several texts that clearly describe Jesus' reign as yet future, texts like Matthew 25, Rev 19:15, etc. It's good to work through them. Be interesting to hear more about why people see a current reign and how you would respond to their arguments. Keep it up!
Thanks for the encouragement, brother. Lord willing more videos along those lines in the future!
Educational
Glad you found it helpful.
I asked some friends a couple of day ago, yet to see this video, 'is Jesus currently sitting at the right hand of the Father as the Crown Prince and is then crown The King towards to the end of the Tribulation' or words to that effect.
Important questions to think about!
So glad you did this brother. A subject I’ve been wanting to know more about. Not many people cover this, yet it’s so important in our under of eschatology and also how we see things like Christian Nationalism. Having a bit of a RUclips chat with a postmill guy and we’ve talked a bit about Christ’s rule and what it means and what is it currently and do we expect anything else
It is certainly an underappreciated discussion! The sad part is that there are so many passages that deal with this issue too. It seems like it is a relatively easy discussion to have.
@@thebiblesojourner definitely but the lenses people view the texts through are the issue
In Daniel 7 it says the Ancient of Days took a seat on his throne. Does that mean He never had a throne until this point?
This prophecy also depicts Jesus coming before the throne and being given a kingdom. Do you think this scene tekes place in the future?
Does Jesus get his Kingdom when he comes to earth to sit down? Or while He is standing bedore the Father?
Thanks again! For some reason many of our brothers (I was one of them once) seem to think that there's only one throne and that it's an either or situation and that leads them to conclude that if Jesus is not in David's throne now then he is not reigning at all or in any way. This helps to see through that false dichotomy.
Jesus is not reigning. He is rather only interceding. He has an honorary position and status but what exactly is He ruling over that the Father is not already ruling? Christ is waiting to be sent back to earth to take His OWN throne of glory and rule from the new Jerusalem. If there is a new heaven and earth at the beginning of the Millennium according to Peter, then the new Jerusalem will come with it so Christ has a new capital city from which the law of the new covenant will go out from.
Glad you found it helpful my friend! Unfortunate and unnecessary dichotomy’s are ever present in theology discussions. Important to think carefully!
I would have liked to hear you address Acts 2 where it seems Peter is saying Jesus took the throne when he was raised from the dead.
He has to be raised from the dead first in order to take the throne... the taking of which at some later point not necessarily then. The regeneration is clearly future in Peter's mind in chap 3. Christ was also clear in chap 1 that they were not to worry about the restoration of the kingdom (which He had just spent 40 days teaching them about) because they had a job to do which obviously was going to take a good amount of time.
@@rossjpurdyActs 2 says God has made Jesus Lord - past tense - in regard to a fulfillment of Psalms 110.
How is the restoration of all things related to the millennial kingdom? Won't there still be sin and death there, in your view?
Acts 2 is great, would love to do an episode on it some day. What did you particularly have a question on? I’ll try to make a note for later.
It seems to me that Peter relates Jesus sitting on David’s thrown to Jesus raising from the dead and sitting in heaven at right hand of the Father in Acts 2:30-36. It says He made Him both Lord and Christ (anointed one, a term used for David and all the OT kings). If this is the first Christian sermon ever preached and that’s how Peter understood the OT and Jesus’ teaching about it…
That’s a great observation. I think Romans 1 connects the resurrection to the Davidic status as son as well. To me that fits well with the idea of being given a kingdom and then establishing it at a later time (Luke 19, Herod, etc).
This issue and so many others make preterism impossible.
There are certainly some accumulating arguments against preterism!
A ruling king is one who is actively judging = ruling with a rod of iron judging the sheep and goat nations (a judgment that does not precede the millennial reign, but rather during its entirety).
An active, ruling king is a crucial part of the process to be sure.
From what I understand, the progressive dispensationalists believe Christ is presently on the Davidic throne in heaven. Then later He will sit on an earthly Davidic throne during the millennial kingdom. To me this adds a lot of confusion.
I have many friends who believe that, and I love my friends! But yes... it seems unnecessary to me.
Ps 110:2 He rules in the MIDST OF HIS ENEMIES! His enemies are on earth.
Psalm 110 is a key text in the discussion.
What enemies? If Jesus sits on the throne in the future millennial kingdom, the enemies will all be dispatched very quickly. Or perhaps even before the millennium technically begins.
If he is ruling in the midst of his enemies, how can you imagine this will be fulfilled in the millennium?
@@AaronThinks The enemies that Scripture explicitly states that He will be in the midst of! The enemies He wields a rod of iron for 1000 years to dispatch. That is the sheep/goats judgment. He rules until all enemies are subdued and then at the end of the 1000 years He offers up the kingdom to the Father. The law will go out from Zion and there will be consequences for those nations who do not obey.
@@rossjpurdy that's interesting - I haven't heard that perspective in depth. You think the sheep goat judgement will take hundreds of years to complete?
And in general, you think non-saved, rebellious people will enter the millennium kingdom?
@@AaronThinks The 1000 years is the sheep/goats judgment. Christ rules and judges until all are submitted to Him and then offers up the kingdom to the Father.
Zech 14 states there will be unredeemed survivors that remain alive during the kingdom.
lol 5 mins in and its still a warm up for false doctrine
lol, what does that even mean?! 🤣
@@thebiblesojourner it means you ramble for 5 mins trying to lay groundwork for false doctrine
@@LarryLarpwell why is it false?
@@danielwarton5343God has given many futurists over to their own ignorance and self righteousness
If you have time, could you explain why it is false doctrine? Even better, if you could deal with the subject scripturally it would be helpful. Thanks!
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Amen specifically the "great white throne" is the only throne that matches the millenial reign/ earthly throne .
The great white throne will include the judgement of the second ressurection people, the judgement according to works. Jesus verifies this like you said where he affirmz that the 12 disciples will judge the 12 tribes of isreal
The saphire throne is not a match because that throne, if its the one in New Jerusalem, doesnt come down to earth until after the millenial reign
I imagine it would be helpful for someone to write a book analyzing the ideas of thrones found in the Bible. Seems like that would be helpful! Not sure I will get to it any time soon though :)
When theological systems and beliefs are at odds I follow the simplest and most self consistent of the prevailing doctrines. For me the so called Amillenialist position does exactly that from what I can tell. The other of the four in my mind and understanding all have irreconcilable problems of one sort or another. I do include full preterism among the five views I am acquainted with. This idea that there is no literal second comming of our Lord Jesus is too preposterous to take seriously and is the worst and most perverse interpretation of eschatology I have ever heard. The heresy of John Hagee's version of dispensationalism are more plausible than full preterism. And that is quite bad.
There is a lot to be said about going with the simplest method of interpretation. However, as I’m sure you agree, simple in and of itself does not mean correct. Thus I agree with you that consistency is definitely key in the discussion too. Lots to be said about the arguments for the amil position, but it just is difficult for me when dealing with OT texts.
@thebiblesojourner I hear you, brother. And, of course, simplicity does not guarantee accuracy. Diligence in study should always precede any doctrine we ultimately espouse. Look at how simple the gospel can seem, yet how many are devoid of its true and complete import.