Reminds me of the Roman Catholicism my parents and older sisters grew up with in former Yugoslavia. Spiritual privilege to the rich, punishment and contempt for the poor.
I never paid tithing - refused to pay - but I confused my discernment with rebellion, so I spent a life time feeling shame and guilt, regardless. Now that I understand it was all a con...I am finally free.
{Rutile} Equally astonishing (IMO) is the LDS doctrine that the members CANNOT live with God unless the DO PAY their 10%+ share. Imagine THAT?!?! What kind of an ass***e god would demand such a thing?---PAYING MONEY to get into heaven?? (What a SCAM!!)
@@daveyjones9930 catholics and I dare say some other extreme Christian denominations, have made money a snare for others. It’s contemptuous, unbiblical and brings a bad name to God which is an extremely serious violation in the Bible.
The tithing story hits a chord, that poor woman, that poor family. When I started college, I was undiagnosed bipolar with an anxiety disorder. One day I was having a really bad panic attack and I foolishly called my mom. She came to my dorm and told me the reason I was “having issues” was because I stopped going to church and didn’t pay tithing. In between my hysterical crying, she convinced me to write the church a check for almost everything in my bank account and said that I would receive blessings and peace. The next day, I realized what a horrible mistake I made and I contacted the bishop in my home ward. I tried to explain that I wasn’t thinking clearly when I wrote that check and that it was my scholarship money, meant to pay for books and food. He refused and said that if he gave the check back, it would be stealing from the church. I got a second job to try to make up for the money I lost and I ended up dropping out of the school year. I felt like a failure and I get a pit in my stomach whenever I think back on it, especially when I now know that the money isn’t being used to help people.
@Amber-the Mormons have huge Food Pantries that they have available for members. They have their own huge welfare type stystem. I will tell you, I was a non-mormon working as a Social Worker for the State of Utah and I had bishops bring members to me to apply for welfare and food stamps at the first sign of trouble even though the Mormon church brags about how they take care of their own. As a non believer, I used to make some arrogant bishops uncomfortable by asking them about why they were applying for public funds when they had their own services! What they don't tell you is that ALL those services are only really available if you have gotten destitute by keeping up your tithe! It is most definitely a CULT~ \
Paying tithing is an action based on faith. If the family didn't have the money for food because they paid their tithing , they could easily get food from the bishops storehouse no problem. Salvation is something that has already been given to us by Christ through the atonement. So this family fretting over salvation is just rediculous.
also should note that your apparent "true name" is not a unique name to you, every person gets the same "true name" based on which date they received that apparent "blessing" in specific regards to being either male or female (as the church defines it)
@@jimbomanzano5743 yes, very uncomfortable for years, then had lots of questions I could never find answers to, and woke up to the reality of how I had been pulled into something that was all made up, that is humiliating to me now
@@China-Clay Mostly my story, too....tho I was never embarrassed or humiliated by my temple experience. I was STUNNED!! The embarrassment and humiliation came later when I finally realized how easily I had been flummoxed by the whole of Mormonism.
Yep! Mormons must BUY THEIR TICKET...or they can't live with god! Same as the Superbowl. If you don't buy a ticket you can't enter the arena to see the Big Game!
@@ThomasJDavis Cute meme, but... How does one achieve "exaltation" without paying money for it? IOW. If you follow each and every requirements for "exaltation", but don't pay the required amount can you still be "exalted"?
@@ThomasJDavis so getting to live with its Heavenly Father you have to tithe and be found ‘worthy’ ? How is that free? The Bible says something very different (see John 14:6).
I actually tried to speak with a fellow "Home Teacher" about the Temple ceremony privately and in a respectful way, I honestly wanted to talk about the subject. The guy I spoke with freaked out and got angry. He chided me by saying that I can only talk about that subject in the Temple. He went on to tell me that to even attempt a conversation about the Temple outside of the Temple building is sacrilegious. That was my "Screw this, I'm walking away." Moment.
And it's so crazy how they excuse the lack of informed consent for members of the church in the name of "sacredity". I can understand members of the church not wanting to talk about what happens in the temple with people who aren't baptized members of the church for the sake of sacredity. But for actually believing, baptized members of the church to not know about it or talk about it _amongst their own fellow members_ is a blatant and intentional effort to keep the activities of the temple secret. That's literally what it is! If you're a believing member of the church in conversation with another believing member of the church talking about the activities of the temple, _why wouldn't each person speak about it with reverence!?_ What mature, believing member of the church would speak about it flippantly? And even if momentarily did, would they not feel any remorse for doing so? Seriously, it truly is ridiculous that members of the church can't even be adequately informed about it before going through. Honestly, I think there's a fair bit of embarrassment that plays into it. I really do. It's not a professional look _at all._ And I wouldn't be surprised if a member, who had co-workers who found out about them participating in this kind of a thing, actually had their credibility lowered in their eyes and had a harder time taking them person seriously after. If the membership and leadership are "not ashamed of the gospel of Christ", then I don't see why temple activities can't be talked about amongst the members of the church. Withholding from people outside the church for the sake of sacredity, I can understand. But withholding from _actual members of the church?_ That's just straight up secrecy.
The details aren't even discussed in the temple preparatory classes. I was horrified to learn blood oaths were made only a decade before I went to the temple.
I remember when I was like 6 i was sobbing in church because I was told if I was naughty I would be separated from my family. I’m now disconnected from them because I was kicked out for comming out at a lesbian. The damage the church does is horrible
I’m so sorry this happened to you. You didn’t deserve it. You are profoundly loved and perfect exactly as you are. I hope you’re living your best life and that you’re happy. ♥️
I'm proud of you for standing up to your family and coming out Lesbian. Love is love. And you are free. You are devine and God created the way you are. You are special and your soul are beautiful the way you are.
A "bishop" condemning a couple to poverty demonstrates just how materialistic the church focus is. Hard to listen to this knowing how predatory and tragic this is!
I remember the very first time my husband and I were alone after being sealed....we closed the car door to drive home and literally said "what the f*ck was that" in unison. Haha! It's the only thing that brings me joy, when I look back on that day.
I've heard bishops tell people to pay their tithing in those situations, then the church will help out with bills or food and other items from the bishops storehouse. That bishop was a dick. I was in a similar situation when I was an active participant. I just chose not to pay tithing. I didn't love going to the temple anyway, so it also gave me an excuse to ditch Temple night.
“Temple Night” - sounds like an interesting title of a horror flick in the genre of ‘Halloween’ or “Friday The 13th” Of course I imagine it would be set in Provo…
It definitely is real, when I was a young teenager, my bishop asked so many inappropriate questions. He was such a disgusting piece of garbage, if I see him again I would definitely beat his ass. God might be all loving and forgiving, but I am not god.
Yeah, i had a bishop who kept fathering children outside his marriage. Everyone knew about it because it was the worst kept secret ever. But became bishop he did in spite of his serial cheating. To say nothing about the bishopric as well...
I really appreciate your videos. My shelf has been broken for years and I left the end of my sophomore Year of highschool (I'm a Sophomore in college now) and finding your channel this year has been really validating for me.
The church teaches that Jesus is full of love for all. If that Jesus could see the church holding people's salvation hostage over a few hundred dollars (especially when they have $100billion+) he would be disgusted imo.
A year ago when an earthquake knocked Moroni's trumpet off of the top of the Salt Lake Temple, it was suggested that was Jesus showing his disgust of Mormonism. They might be on to something there.
@@mylesmarkson1686 I think the profit saw that as an opportunity to tell the good hearted ward folks that it needs to be a bigger, better trumpet, more ornate (specticle) piece-so ante up and to increase your sacrificial giving so it would be more pleasing (ie costly).
@@savannahsmiles1797 Yes, we need bigger temples with bigger Moronis with bigger trumpets. We gotta show this God how much we love him by how much we're willing to spend!
I stayed in for 23 years exhausting myself trying to convert my husband, trying to keep my children in the church as they became adults, & being afraid of the world around me. Since leaving I've never felt more free!
My experience is similar. I no longer have the husband but my girls and I have left the church and life is so much happier fir us all. The guilt of not being the perfect mormon wife and not being sealed to my husband were crippling at times. That's not receiving "a fullness of joy".
I have been a Mormon for 8 years but I am thinking of leaving the faith. My husband wants to stay but I am thinking of leaving the faith. People have been so mean to me. I am blind and have been told that I most have never been close to god because of me being disabled. Also most people don’t want to be Sean with me that are in the faith.
Controversy and criticism Main article: Critical appraisal of the Book of Abraham In the late 19th century, French Egyptologist Théodule Devéria was one of the first to offer a scholarly critique of Joseph Smith's translation. Since its publication in 1842, the Book of Abraham has been a source of controversy. Non-Mormon Egyptologists, beginning in the late 19th century,[74] have disagreed with Joseph Smith's explanations of the facsimiles. They have also asserted that damaged portions of the papyri have been reconstructed incorrectly. In 1912, a letter about the Book of Abraham was published by Arthur Cruttenden Mace, Assistant Curator in the Department of Egyptian Art in New York's Metropolitan Museum of Art. He wrote: I return herewith, under separate cover, the 'Pearl of Great Price.' The 'Book of Abraham,' it is hardly necessary to say, is a pure fabrication. Cuts 1 and 3 are inaccurate copies of well known scenes on funeral papyri, and cut 2 is a copy of one of the magical discs which in the late Egyptian period were placed under the heads of mummies. There were about forty of these latter known in museums and they are all very similar in character. Joseph Smith's interpretation of these cuts is a farrago of nonsense from beginning to end. Egyptian characters can now be read almost as easily as Greek, and five minutes' study in an Egyptian gallery of any museum should be enough to convince any educated man of the clumsiness of the imposture.[103] The controversy intensified in the late 1960s when portions of the Joseph Smith Papyri were located. The translation of the papyri by both Mormon and non-Mormon Egyptologists does not match the text of the Book of Abraham as purportedly translated by Joseph Smith. Now if the Book of Abraham, what the LDS considers "inspired LDS canon" is considered a fraud, then it is safe to say there are other 'inspired LDS canons" that are frauds. Get out of there before hell consumes you.
If your husband wants to stay in a place that is causing you discomfort, he cares more about them then you. Time to get out of both the cult, and your marraige.
Angel, let me give you some advice from a evangelical Christian's perspective. 1st, you don't say whether you would be leaving for another church or not. I can understand the turmoil you going through spiritually, I left the Catholic church because of the fallacies in it and found the risen Christ through the Bible, not some extra-canonical book(s). But I digress. Now understand, those of us who are believers outside the LDS consider LDS members non-Christians for many reasons but I will spare the preaching aspect of it. So read this as if you are a "believer" and your husband is a "non-believer." Aging Casually is right to say to bolt from the LDS church ASAP. However, scripture says this about married couples. 1 Corinthians 7 10 But to the married I give instructions, not I, but the Lord, that the wife is not to leave her husband 11 (but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband is not to divorce his wife. 12 But to the rest I say, not the Lord, that if any brother has an unbelieving wife, and she consents to live with him, he must not divorce her. 13 And if any woman has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, she must not divorce her husband. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy. 15 Yet if the unbelieving one is leaving, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us in peace. 16 For how do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife? I don't need to elaborate on it, it speaks for itself. Let me say this, if he becomes physically abusive or an extremely verbal abuser (which could lead to physical abuse), leave but do not be the one who initiates a divorce. HE is the unbeliever according to scripture. God Bless, Little Girl.
@@arianae6706 Feeling are subjective, Ariana. Many a bad decision is made on "feelings." Please read my advice to her and tell me what you may agree or disagree with. Remember, I'm coming from a, to put it in a vernacular way, "religious" perspective because she didn't say she dismisses any or all religious views of her life. I do agree100% with your 1st sentence (as written) in your post. though.
I had a Mormon kid come to my house, several years ago, and wanted my wife and I to convert. I sat him down, gave him a glass of lemonade, and got out a pad of paper and a pencil. My wife and I made $168k that year. $1,400.00 per month. House payment, two cars, taxes, insurance of all forms, college for our daughter, and a LOT of other bills. Cable, electric, gas, telephones, etc. I showed him what 10% PRE-TAX income would do to our lives. Essentially, $1,400.00 per month LESS into our nest egg. Ummm...NO. When I got done, he thanked me, and didn't try to push the issue. I suggested a trailer park for his next victims.
First off it's really nice to get notifications for every video you put out. Click that 🔔 people 😁 On the video, I got emotional hearing the story of the family that couldn't afford anything cause of tithing. It reminded me of my family's story growing up.
I feel so bad now whenever going to the LDS sub-reddits. Very few faith-promoting posts, most are about problems people are having that in hindsight are completely ridiculous and should never be an issue. I'm glad my eyes have been opened but I wish so bad we could help others see outside of their little box.
Can I just tell you that being a mom of 4 is enough of a task, but the fact that you are kind enough to do what you do for exmos just brings me to tears. You are so wonderful and beautiful inside and out for how you put yourself out there so honestly and respectfully. Please know you are so loved and valued and I am so thankful for you.
I once tried to speak to a Mormon friend of mind about a mostly neutral TV documentary about the church and all he could do was rant about how it was nothing but lies. I think that maybe he didn't even watch it.
@@AVspectre I just LOVE that play! Seen it more than once. I've never been Mormon but lived in Utah for 11 years and worked and played softball with Mormons so I get all the jokes and nuances.
This might be a stupid question but, how does the bishop know how much a family brings in? Maybe stretch the truth about what you make? Better yet, tell them to take a hike and run like hell from this crazy cult.
@@acetrades1524 Wrong. It “can” be required. It’s not normal and no not everyone has to do so, but some bishops will ask and if you refuse you will likely be told that you are not showing enough faith, and are not worthy of temple work or taking the sacrament. You may also be the target of oddly specific “testimonies” during a future service that will all but name you as a non-payer of tithing.
@@josephpenderson613 if its not normal, and not everyone has to do so, then we agree, its not required. So your statement isn't true, at all. Its not required.
Terry. Could be worth it. Islam, with their promised 72 virgins, maybe---unless they were virgins who were virgins because they were scary looking beasts!
@@terrysbookandbiblereviews 72 virgins or not the other costs associated with an Islamic heaven would be a lot heavier than the 10% for entry into the Mormon heaven. Neither one sounds enticing... The heaven I would like is one where there is no mention of ANY religion!
Okay I'm sorry but I kind of have a problem with taking money that they need, giving it to the church and then living off of the government instead with the WIC program. I don't have any problem with people using the WIC program when they need it but I kind of have a problem with the WIC program being used so that money can be given to the church instead. I mean they wouldn't need to be on the WIC program if they weren't giving money to the church so they're taking WIC money away from other people just so that the church can have money. Again I don't blame the couple I blame the church but I really really have a problem with this idea
Giving your money to the church is dumb. But Americans really need to get over their aversion to social welfare. In Scandinavia social welfare is UNIVERSAL irregardless of income. And they have the best outcomes.
@@blackalien6873 I don't have a problem with them receiving money when they need it but they don't need it because they don't need to give 10% to the church instead. They need to keep that 10% for themselves and not use government assistance so that there's money for other people that actually need the government assistance. The church is literally taking away government assistance from those that need it.
my bishop literally makes fun of me and picks on me because of my race, blames everyones mistakes on me, and i recently got banned from going to girls camp because another girls mess. he blames it all on me and it hurts me so much, the whole CHURCH makes rumors about me and spreads them like its nothing, im treated horribly with racism and i cant fit in no matter how hard i try, j always get left out and made fun by everyone because of the bishop. Anyone have any advice ?? :( i cant go on anymore with losing friends because the bishop is literally manipulating my friends' parents into thinking i am a horrible person. i was so excited to go to girls camp, im devastated:(
That is absolutely a b******* concept. The all-powerful being of the universe has to have you pay a human invention so that you can get into heaven. This idea and concept just gets weaker and weaker every time.
My first time being in a temple and having to pay for a meal at the cafeteria…Then also paying for clothes…I was thinking why is there money in the temple??…
The second to last one at 12:20 is literally "I love the teachings of the church, but the teachings of the church make me so sad". It is heartbreaking that sometimes people are so indoctrinated that they cannot take a simple step back and realize that what they are saying.
Wow. Don't you remember how in the New Testament the Savior led his apostles and other "worthy' disciples through the temple to learn Masonic-like signs and phrases necessary for their exaltation, and then wearing special necessary underwear with Masonic-like markings on them? Huh. Maybe, could it possibly be that it's because IT NEVER HAPPENED? Gee, if it were that important, wouldn't it be discussed in the BIBLE? (Interestingly enough, it's never mentioned in the Book of Mormon, either). Maybe the 99.99% of the world's population are just not in-the-know about all these things, huh? Poor devils.
Thank you for this Lexie! Thank you for being a positive uplifting influence. The story that you've read about the couple struggling to pay tithing and their heartless unempathetic bishop is one of the many reasons I find the lds church so revolting and morally abhorrent. They're being taken advantage of and they wouldn't recognize it! It's morally infuriating, but then ultimately the power to rid themselves of such unnecessary burden and spiritual and financial extortion lies completely with themselves.
I think Joseph Smith took it as that you can't get married in Heaven--You have to do it here beforehand. But if you're married, and then you make it to the Celestial Kingdom, look out! You've got so much humpin' and pumpin' to do with all of your wives--After all, you've got entire planets of spirit-babies to produce!
"Sacred" is in heaven and the Holy Bible...not on man's hands to build a building and garments to wear~ Thank you Jesus the Christ that you are Sacred to us 📖💖🙏🏻
OK, I honestly don’t know what temple ceremonies look like in 2021. I went through the temple for the first time, Salt Lake temple, waaaaay back in 1964. I last went through the temple in London, 1973. In 1964, the ceremony was a lengthy three hour process, with human actors (all very old, non professional actors), In 1973, the process was much shorter, with a film and a shorter ceremony. Both times the ceremony ended up in a very white, very quiet, very sterile room. A celestial room. Quietness, whiteness, and non-contemporariness were the significant factors both times. The intent, I presume, was that the celestial kingdom would be a place to strive towards. To live forever in a blindingly white, blindingly quiet, blindingly bland environment would be the ultimate goal. In 1975, I realized that I no longer desired to live forever, FOREVER, EtErNaL, in an existence where colours no longer existed, wheres sounds no longer hramonized, where people no longer differentiated, where I could no longer think for myself. The mormon temple ceremony strives, promises, a permanent place of boredom. If you’re still a TBM, and still going to the temple, ask yourself one simple question. Could I maintain sanity living in a celestial kingdom for every single day for the rest of eternity? When you get to the celestial room, Is this all there is?
Tithing is the reason for the temple recommed. lol. What the hell is the church going to do with only 130 billion and members who think that can be saved without paying heavens gate keepers. there can never be enough cash.
Exactly how can you believe in a God that requires you to hand over a man-made thing? How can you believe in a god that says that your access to heaven is dependent on a non-existent man-made thing such as money? To parody a wise man, What does God need with money?
Tithings in the bible its str8 biblical and the word tithe means tenth. Now u may not like father in heaven thats fine ur entitled to ur choice and one day u will have to choose.
@@six1nyne no dude your God does not exist. Why in the world would I throw away my money to an imaginary man in the sky??? I know you're convinced that you're God exists but he doesn't and you're literally throwing away your money. Either way you try to spend it this is the dumbest logic ever because again what does God need with money. If you want to be incompetent go right ahead. No I am not going to give away my money to an imaginary man in the sky that doesn't exist. It's my money and I'm going to use it how I want to so you can shove off. And no I'm not going to have to face anything one day because your imaginary friend does not exist not sure how many times I have to say this your imaginary friend does not exist
I don’t understand why Mormons must be “sealed” to remain together in the “Celestial Kingdom” when they are already family or married. That’s the real con, isn’t it? To get the money and keep people obedient… One of my Mormon relatives is a bishop who had a family come to him, saying they couldn’t both pay their tithe and make payments on their home. My wealthy bishop relative offered to “help.” NOT to loan them money to pay the tithe, oh no! Instead he took advantage of them by buying their house at a non-competitive, off-the-market price. The family thought they’d still have a claim to the home after the sale, because he was their bishop. They didn’t. And the bishop made a profit.
I wish Mormons could truly accept Jesus and realize salvation is not theirs to earn. Jesus earned it. He offers it as a gift. Works will follow naturally as that gift is received. That Peace is beyond description.
Legit asking. How does the mormon bishop know if i’m paying exactly 10% of my paycheck? do they submit A W2?? like what. how do they know how much you make. A 20 year old working at a gas station doesn’t make the same as architect or astrophysicists. How does the bishop know? Do you have to pay with a check or how does it get tithed with the church knowing exactly how much you gave? Some people tithe cash but God knows how much cash I put in the plate
I've been through this before. With these meetings/interviews, the Bishop will more than likely ask how much you make per hour and how often you get paid. That would give a pretty good idea on what that 10% would look like per paycheck. And it is very clear that the church does NOT care if you are struggling with everything else in your life. If you can't pay half of your bills, who cares just as long as you pay that 10% and make time to go to the temple.
Me and my gran have had a few visits from mormons. They had the gall to pray with my gran without masks during a pandemic!!-!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My aunt let complete strangers come to our front door
I've been trying to show the error of their ways for forty-five years. The Book of Abraham fiasco should have ended that church a long time ago. Controversy and criticism Main article: Critical appraisal of the Book of Abraham In the late 19th century, French Egyptologist Théodule Devéria was one of the first to offer a scholarly critique of Joseph Smith's translation. Since its publication in 1842, the Book of Abraham has been a source of controversy. Non-Mormon Egyptologists, beginning in the late 19th century,[74] have disagreed with Joseph Smith's explanations of the facsimiles. They have also asserted that damaged portions of the papyri have been reconstructed incorrectly. In 1912, a letter about the Book of Abraham was published by Arthur Cruttenden Mace, Assistant Curator in the Department of Egyptian Art in New York's Metropolitan Museum of Art. He wrote: I return herewith, under separate cover, the 'Pearl of Great Price.' The 'Book of Abraham,' it is hardly necessary to say, is a pure fabrication. Cuts 1 and 3 are inaccurate copies of well known scenes on funeral papyri, and cut 2 is a copy of one of the magical discs which in the late Egyptian period were placed under the heads of mummies. There were about forty of these latter known in museums and they are all very similar in character. Joseph Smith's interpretation of these cuts is a farrago of nonsense from beginning to end. Egyptian characters can now be read almost as easily as Greek, and five minutes' study in an Egyptian gallery of any museum should be enough to convince any educated man of the clumsiness of the imposture.[103] The controversy intensified in the late 1960s when portions of the Joseph Smith Papyri were located. The translation of the papyri by both Mormon and non-Mormon Egyptologists does not match the text of the Book of Abraham as purportedly translated by Joseph Smith. But here we are, heads still stuck in the sand.
It's ridiculous how scared people are of "anti-mormon stuff." My coworkers are all mormon and it's kinda hilarious how tense they get when I talk about cool tattoos or cute gay couples. Those are the kinds of awkward silences that I almost enjoy. XD
The post about going without, just so that tithing can be paid, is heartbreaking. The Church is putting a price on being close to God, entering the Temple and having a marriage sealed. That's pure greed.
On government assistance and still has to pay tithing. ...Maybe if they did not have to pay so much tithing they could afford milk, juice and cereal. So in a way our taxes are going to the church.
My husband and I are having doubts about the Morman faith. We have both been hurt by members of the faith. We are starting to look into the past of the faith and also where we see our selves in the future. I am so glad I have him in my life. He is doing his best to support me in everything I want to do and decide to do.
It’s so messed up to me that there’s not more help for families who are struggling. The way it’s supposed to work is you pay your tithing, even if it’s a widow’s mite, but then the church pays for your housing, food, medical care, people babysit your kids, give you rides, help you find higher paying work or cheaper rent, etc. it seems like that sense of community and ward family has really been breaking down. So yeah, just leave it to the proud, old, white, wealthy, straight folks who follow the toxic abundance gospel and don’t actually understand the law of consecration at all. How are you going to talk about the evils of socialism or welfare and have the law of consecration as doctrine? 🤔
re: the tithe payer. I would tell them to shame the bishop privately for his behavior, and if that doesn't work, shame him for his behavior publically. Tell him that if he doesn't help in some way, either by helping you find the money in your budget, helping your husband get a better paying job, or simply helping out with your food budget, that your only possible conclusion will be that he is not a follower of Jesus Christ but a veritable wolf in the fold or Judas who only pretends to follow Jesus. I would remind him that "even as ye have done this unto the least of these, ye have done it unto me." Let him know that you will not sustain him, but oppose him as a false disciple and false follower of Christ for refusing and shirking his responsibility to help. Tell him that you will be praying that God either humbles him and softens his heart or removes him one way or another from his position and replaces him with someone who takes his calling as shepherd to feed the lambs and sheep of Jesus' flock seriously.
Oh my God I can’t believe that the Utah Bishop wouldn’t even offer her bishop storehouse assistance be in the situation myself I always got offered that and actually got told that if needed that we didn’t need to pay tithing this is one of the reasons why I can’t stand the life ties and how bishops are trained lol they’re not trained they get to do whatever they want and claim of those there a relation I happen to get lucky to get a good bishop multiple get Bishop‘s actually that helped pay for some bills and said I didn’t need to pay tithing if I couldn’t I would’ve been on the streets multiple times at the church and helped me I can’t believe in Utah of all places that I can’t even do that this is very repugnant! I’m so glad I’m leaving this church. Or should I say Cult.
The church should be helping this family with food from the food storage pantry. I am so angry that this bishop has no compassion for this family. This may get them out of the church, but in a way they will always feel like there should have been a way they could have gotten sealed. Jesus did not teach any of the temple ceremonies.
How does the church even know you are really paying 10% of your income? I am not a member but from what I read, it is more of an honor system thing. If you say you are paying 10% then they just accept it and won't pry.
Actual conversation I had Dad talking to us: Sometimes I hear the Holy Ghost as an actual voice! Me, a schizophrenic: Dad that’s not a good thing Dad: Stop shaming me for my beliefs!
This is why I don’t view Mormonism as a Christian church bc denying a family entry to the temple because they can’t afford tithing would not be a Christian thing to do
Never mind they deny EVERY aspect of Apostolic and historical Christian doctrine of the church? Not being facetious but you still have a lot to learn about Christian doctrine, Am. It's out there, buddy, search for it.
What is your take on Mormons being Trump supporters even though he doesn’t embrace their moral principles? Sorry if you are a MAGA person but I just wanted to know how you perceived that whole BS.
I’m lds and I don’t support trump i didnt fall for his lie “make America great again”;he has brought so much division to this country. The brethren told the saints to not get involved in a power struggle for office before the clowns many lds marched on the capital. That u let the constitution play out and in due time change the course of the country the way the founding fathers intended. You can say all are immoral sure but some more then others. Trump only spouts Christianity when it vaults his ego to higher spheres. I cant believe how many were taken by the guy. Like in AZ when one of his lackeys compared him to capn moroni🤣 cmon man how gullible are the saints? Was capn moroni porking stormy daniels why he led his people to fight for there god and for their freedom? They say f Biden I say f trump. God says he visits the sins of the fathers on the children now look at BLM did we (today’s white Americans) put them in chains no but are we paying for the sins of our fathers ur damn straight we r that’s the beauty of the gospel every word is fulfilled. I believe president Nelson’s recent gestures to the naacp is a step in reuniting this country once again. And Biden’s Juneteenth as well a move toward what made a America great in the first place. One nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all.
@@HarveyDroke Trump never cared about the Constitution, or following ANY rules or laws for that matter. He's all about serving his super-ego. He's gotten away with whatever he wanted to do his whole life, and he just spent 4 years trying to see how many rules he could break and get away with as President. The sad thing is that he'll never pay for any of his crimes. The Trump-crazies will refuse to let it happen.
@@six1nyne I agree with your previous statement, so on that note, how are so many Mormons claiming they have the promptings of the Holy Ghost and the gift of discernment, yet go to the Capitol on Jan 6th? I’m not putting you on the spot, I really am looking for answers. Also, LDS say they follow the prophet but so many members of the church are refusing to get vaccinated because Trump’s statements regardless that President Nelson was vaccinated. I’m so confused and upset at the members of the church that I started looking for answers and found Lexi - and I’m glad I did.
@@mylesmarkson1686 i appreciate your comment. when Oaks came out last Gen. Conference and mentioned the upholding the Constitution, so many Trumpers didn’t think he was addressing the insurrection. It’s hard for me to associate with Mormons now that I’ve seen how eager they are to blindly follow Trump. If figure if they got that part wrong, what else did they get wrong. Not criticizing, just taking a good look at everything I know now.
this jumped into my head IMMEDIATELY and i found it hilarious: the pope: you need to pay in order to get rid of your sins and get into heaven luther: here's 95 reasons why i think both that and you are bullshit lds church: you need to pay to get into heaven lex: top 10 reasons why i think both that and you are bullshit edit: grammar mainly
I'd just like to bury my testimony right now. I'm grateful that my parents always paid a full tithe as well as contributed to building our new stake center. With a famliy of 7 and hardly ever any food in the refrigerator as teenagers it just didn't make any sense to go home. We ate at our friends houses. Our parents were faithful and dad even worked another job for christmas but they didn't even try to keep us home cuz then they would have to feed us. Luckily they divorced and our family completely broke up and along the way I was able to break the trance. I say these things in the name of freedom and the grace of the universe amen lol
There is a family I know, they have now had 5 kids...ALL on the spectrum, and the parents are not able to cope with them, so they medicate them to try to deal with them. She is now probably 500lbs, and she is gonna pop out another in hopes of a normal child so they can worthy of the celestial blah, blah, blah. Boys that are becoming violent, so they will be but in the system and others will have to deal with these kids that are literally OUT of CONTROL. She doesn't work outside the home, neither does he, as the kids are up all the time screaming, kicking, banging, as they can't communicate well. In a 2 bedroom apt. The bishop told them NOT to come to the ward, but keep trying for that "blessed" child.
Even when I was a Mormon, I never understood why other Mormons saw every joke or criticism as persecution. Americans don't know what real persecution is, and now I'm out I'm hoping one day Mormons actually experience it so they can see how silly they look for what they think persecution is now.
the church has a distribution center, with food and household supplies.........the bishop has an obligation to provide those resources and the KNOWLEDGE that they exist.....wtf?
I have never been Mormon but my family was big into FreeMasonry. I was in both Job’s Daughters and Rainbow. I have been to many Masonic and Eastern Star installations and such. From what I have seen, the Temple clothing didn’t seem THAT weird to me. But I guess I recognized my Job’s Daughters’ robes and my grandpa’s Masonic apron!
Hello Lexi, I understand, relate & appreciate a lot of what you share. That’s said I think it’s easy to get into a sphere w/lots of ppl who agree w/a certain way of thinking, (similar to the LDS or other church environments) and come to poor or inaccurate conclusions. RUclips Comment section isn’t a good place for dialogue either. For example the catch phrase. “ There’s nothing you’re not worthy of”. Striving to be a critical thinker I find it a strange phrase/motto. I do understand the context and where you’re coming from. I don’t think that leadership in the church are the only ones who can be hypocritical, too controlling of the narrative or arrive at in accurate/false conclusions.
It is so sick that they prey on the week force them to pay while they are suffering!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Proof they only care about money. Christianity is a scam.
I had a bishop who yelled at me for such a long time because I wasn’t going to church every Sunday. I have a few disabilities and that was the reason but he yelled and caused a seizure. My late husband was angry at him. That was the day I left. I never looked back.
I got in trouble when I asked about the temple clothes after being sealed to my mom and step dad when I was 9. I was freaking 9 and it was weird and confusing
Regarding tithing and the bishop… Is this WWJD? Btw, tithing in the beginning was less than 10%. And what is the church welfare system for anyway? You think the church would kick down a package of pampers for two of Heavenly Father’s elect. And btw, God OWNS ALL THE MONEY!
If the second one is true that’s really sad to hear. I can’t imagine going into to debt to pay tithes only to get no support from the people in my church.
My sister, who converted to the LDS faith in high school...for a boy (her future husband, who I freely admit is one of the best men I've ever known). Throughout her life, she struggled with two types of trauma. The first was child sexual abuse (not related to the LDS Church). The second was _never_ feeling like she was worthy of God's love (regularly reinforced _by_ the LDS Church). I'm not an expert in psychosomatic illness, but I can't help thinking the cancer that killed her, at the age of 48, was _promoted_ by her constant sense of self-loathing.
The tithing story enraged me, tithing is enraging and even more knowing that this rich church demands it from people in need . Ugh.
Reminds me of the Roman Catholicism my parents and older sisters grew up with in former Yugoslavia. Spiritual privilege to the rich, punishment and contempt for the poor.
I never paid tithing - refused to pay - but I confused my discernment with rebellion, so I spent a life time feeling shame and guilt, regardless. Now that I understand it was all a con...I am finally free.
That's about right.
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Equally astonishing (IMO) is the LDS doctrine that the members CANNOT live with God unless the DO PAY their 10%+ share.
Imagine THAT?!?!
What kind of an ass***e god would demand such a thing?---PAYING MONEY to get into heaven?? (What a SCAM!!)
@@daveyjones9930 catholics and I dare say some other extreme Christian denominations, have made money a snare for others. It’s contemptuous, unbiblical and brings a bad name to God which is an extremely serious violation in the Bible.
The tithing story hits a chord, that poor woman, that poor family. When I started college, I was undiagnosed bipolar with an anxiety disorder. One day I was having a really bad panic attack and I foolishly called my mom. She came to my dorm and told me the reason I was “having issues” was because I stopped going to church and didn’t pay tithing. In between my hysterical crying, she convinced me to write the church a check for almost everything in my bank account and said that I would receive blessings and peace. The next day, I realized what a horrible mistake I made and I contacted the bishop in my home ward. I tried to explain that I wasn’t thinking clearly when I wrote that check and that it was my scholarship money, meant to pay for books and food. He refused and said that if he gave the check back, it would be stealing from the church. I got a second job to try to make up for the money I lost and I ended up dropping out of the school year. I felt like a failure and I get a pit in my stomach whenever I think back on it, especially when I now know that the money isn’t being used to help people.
This is so awful! I'm so sorry.
That is extortion. I am so sorry you went through that 💔
It FED the corporation, so sorry this occurred.
Carrissa, I'm so sorry your mother failed you like this, I can relate, hugs
I am sorry to hear that. I never pay tithing anymore.
The family that is literally starving for “salvation” is so heartbreaking. All while the church hoards $100 billion dollars.
Makes me wanna puke. Why the guck would anyone believe this crap.
This is the definition of evil.
@Amber-the Mormons have huge Food Pantries that they have available for members. They have their own huge welfare type stystem. I will tell you, I was a non-mormon working as a Social Worker for the State of Utah and I had bishops bring members to me to apply for welfare and food stamps at the first sign of trouble even though the Mormon church brags about how they take care of their own. As a non believer, I used to make some arrogant bishops uncomfortable by asking them about why they were applying for public funds when they had their own services! What they don't tell you is that ALL those services are only really available if you have gotten destitute by keeping up your tithe! It is most definitely a CULT~
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Paying tithing is an action based on faith. If the family didn't have the money for food because they paid their tithing , they could easily get food from the bishops storehouse no problem. Salvation is something that has already been given to us by Christ through the atonement. So this family fretting over salvation is just rediculous.
Really, endowed people don’t want to talk about it to others because it is all so silly and embarrassing and no one really wants to admit it
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Silly and embarrassing? You seem to have been endowed to make this remark. If so, we’re you embarrassed and found it silly? Just asking.
also should note that your apparent "true name" is not a unique name to you, every person gets the same "true name" based on which date they received that apparent "blessing" in specific regards to being either male or female (as the church defines it)
@@jimbomanzano5743 yes, very uncomfortable for years, then had lots of questions I could never find answers to, and woke up to the reality of how I had been pulled into something that was all made up, that is humiliating to me now
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Mostly my story, too....tho I was never embarrassed or humiliated by my temple experience.
I was STUNNED!!
The embarrassment and humiliation came later when I finally realized how easily I had been flummoxed by the whole of Mormonism.
Mormons: Salvation is free
Also Mormons: You need to pay 10% to get in and perform saving ceremonies
Yep!
Mormons must BUY THEIR TICKET...or they can't live with god!
Same as the Superbowl. If you don't buy a ticket you can't enter the arena to see the Big Game!
Salvation is free. Exaltation isn't.
@@ThomasJDavis
Cute meme, but...
How does one achieve "exaltation" without paying money for it?
IOW.
If you follow each and every requirements for "exaltation", but don't pay the required amount can you still be "exalted"?
@@daveyjones9930 you don't. That's one of the commandments. What's your point?
@@ThomasJDavis so getting to live with its Heavenly Father you have to tithe and be found ‘worthy’ ? How is that free? The Bible says something very different (see John 14:6).
I actually tried to speak with a fellow "Home Teacher" about the Temple ceremony privately and in a respectful way, I honestly wanted to talk about the subject. The guy I spoke with freaked out and got angry. He chided me by saying that I can only talk about that subject in the Temple. He went on to tell me that to even attempt a conversation about the Temple outside of the Temple building is sacrilegious. That was my "Screw this, I'm walking away." Moment.
The sad thing is that everything that goes on in the temples is sacrilegious. No God with half a brain would insist on such idiocy.
And it's so crazy how they excuse the lack of informed consent for members of the church in the name of "sacredity". I can understand members of the church not wanting to talk about what happens in the temple with people who aren't baptized members of the church for the sake of sacredity. But for actually believing, baptized members of the church to not know about it or talk about it _amongst their own fellow members_ is a blatant and intentional effort to keep the activities of the temple secret. That's literally what it is!
If you're a believing member of the church in conversation with another believing member of the church talking about the activities of the temple, _why wouldn't each person speak about it with reverence!?_ What mature, believing member of the church would speak about it flippantly? And even if momentarily did, would they not feel any remorse for doing so?
Seriously, it truly is ridiculous that members of the church can't even be adequately informed about it before going through. Honestly, I think there's a fair bit of embarrassment that plays into it. I really do. It's not a professional look _at all._ And I wouldn't be surprised if a member, who had co-workers who found out about them participating in this kind of a thing, actually had their credibility lowered in their eyes and had a harder time taking them person seriously after.
If the membership and leadership are "not ashamed of the gospel of Christ", then I don't see why temple activities can't be talked about amongst the members of the church. Withholding from people outside the church for the sake of sacredity, I can understand. But withholding from _actual members of the church?_ That's just straight up secrecy.
The details aren't even discussed in the temple preparatory classes. I was horrified to learn blood oaths were made only a decade before I went to the temple.
There are no secrets in true Christian churches. Think about that.
@@mylesmarkson1686
Joseph Smith said that he was told that all churches were abominations…
So he started the most abominable church of all…
To many Mormons, just being around an exMo feels like an attack.
I remember when I was like 6 i was sobbing in church because I was told if I was naughty I would be separated from my family. I’m now disconnected from them because I was kicked out for comming out at a lesbian. The damage the church does is horrible
That is awful, I'm so sorry about the way you have been treated. 💕😢
I’m so sorry this happened to you. You didn’t deserve it. You are profoundly loved and perfect exactly as you are. I hope you’re living your best life and that you’re happy. ♥️
I'm proud of you for standing up to your family and coming out Lesbian. Love is love. And you are free. You are devine and God created the way you are. You are special and your soul are beautiful the way you are.
A "bishop" condemning a couple to poverty demonstrates just how materialistic the church focus is. Hard to listen to this knowing how predatory and tragic this is!
I remember the very first time my husband and I were alone after being sealed....we closed the car door to drive home and literally said "what the f*ck was that" in unison. Haha! It's the only thing that brings me joy, when I look back on that day.
I've heard bishops tell people to pay their tithing in those situations, then the church will help out with bills or food and other items from the bishops storehouse. That bishop was a dick.
I was in a similar situation when I was an active participant. I just chose not to pay tithing. I didn't love going to the temple anyway, so it also gave me an excuse to ditch Temple night.
From what I've heard and personal experience, they're really not helping people much anymore.
It all depends upon whether the Bishop is a modern-day Pharisee or a follower/disciple of Jesus.
“Temple Night” - sounds like an interesting title of a horror flick in the genre of ‘Halloween’ or “Friday The 13th”
Of course I imagine it would be set in Provo…
All of these stories are so sad, heartbreaking even. The tithing question to be worthy in the temple didn't even exist until around 1950.
The Bishop roulette is insane and a BIG problem. It hurts so many people.
It definitely is real, when I was a young teenager, my bishop asked so many inappropriate questions. He was such a disgusting piece of garbage, if I see him again I would definitely beat his ass. God might be all loving and forgiving, but I am not god.
Yeah, i had a bishop who kept fathering children outside his marriage. Everyone knew about it because it was the worst kept secret ever. But became bishop he did in spite of his serial cheating. To say nothing about the bishopric as well...
I really appreciate your videos. My shelf has been broken for years and I left the end of my sophomore Year of highschool (I'm a Sophomore in college now) and finding your channel this year has been really validating for me.
"I don't ever do any research on it"
Lex: "Yeah, WE KNOW!"
--Perfect lololol
The church teaches that Jesus is full of love for all. If that Jesus could see the church holding people's salvation hostage over a few hundred dollars (especially when they have $100billion+) he would be disgusted imo.
A year ago when an earthquake knocked Moroni's trumpet off of the top of the Salt Lake Temple, it was suggested that was Jesus showing his disgust of Mormonism. They might be on to something there.
@@mylesmarkson1686 I think the profit saw that as an opportunity to tell the good hearted ward folks that it needs to be a bigger, better trumpet, more ornate (specticle) piece-so ante up and to increase your sacrificial giving so it would be more pleasing (ie costly).
@@savannahsmiles1797 Yes, we need bigger temples with bigger Moronis with bigger trumpets. We gotta show this God how much we love him by how much we're willing to spend!
@@mylesmarkson1686 when I heard of the trumpet falling, it was confirmation that I made the right choice to gtfo
@@cherylstokes636 The GTFO movement. I like the sound of that Cheryl!
I stayed in for 23 years exhausting myself trying to convert my husband, trying to keep my children in the church as they became adults, & being afraid of the world around me. Since leaving I've never felt more free!
My experience is similar. I no longer have the husband but my girls and I have left the church and life is so much happier fir us all. The guilt of not being the perfect mormon wife and not being sealed to my husband were crippling at times. That's not receiving "a fullness of joy".
IT IS A CULT PEOPLE!
I have been a Mormon for 8 years but I am thinking of leaving the faith. My husband wants to stay but I am thinking of leaving the faith. People have been so mean to me. I am blind and have been told that I most have never been close to god because of me being disabled. Also most people don’t want to be Sean with me that are in the faith.
I’m so sorry for your negative experiences! I really hope that whatever you decide to do, things are better in the future ♥️
Controversy and criticism
Main article: Critical appraisal of the Book of Abraham
In the late 19th century, French Egyptologist Théodule Devéria was one of the first to offer a scholarly critique of Joseph Smith's translation.
Since its publication in 1842, the Book of Abraham has been a source of controversy. Non-Mormon Egyptologists, beginning in the late 19th century,[74] have disagreed with Joseph Smith's explanations of the facsimiles. They have also asserted that damaged portions of the papyri have been reconstructed incorrectly. In 1912, a letter about the Book of Abraham was published by Arthur Cruttenden Mace, Assistant Curator in the Department of Egyptian Art in New York's Metropolitan Museum of Art. He wrote:
I return herewith, under separate cover, the 'Pearl of Great Price.' The 'Book of Abraham,' it is hardly necessary to say, is a pure fabrication. Cuts 1 and 3 are inaccurate copies of well known scenes on funeral papyri, and cut 2 is a copy of one of the magical discs which in the late Egyptian period were placed under the heads of mummies. There were about forty of these latter known in museums and they are all very similar in character. Joseph Smith's interpretation of these cuts is a farrago of nonsense from beginning to end. Egyptian characters can now be read almost as easily as Greek, and five minutes' study in an Egyptian gallery of any museum should be enough to convince any educated man of the clumsiness of the imposture.[103]
The controversy intensified in the late 1960s when portions of the Joseph Smith Papyri were located. The translation of the papyri by both Mormon and non-Mormon Egyptologists does not match the text of the Book of Abraham as purportedly translated by Joseph Smith.
Now if the Book of Abraham, what the LDS considers "inspired LDS canon" is considered a fraud, then it is safe to say there are other 'inspired LDS canons" that are frauds. Get out of there before hell consumes you.
If your husband wants to stay in a place that is causing you discomfort, he cares more about them then you. Time to get out of both the cult, and your marraige.
Angel, let me give you some advice from a evangelical Christian's perspective. 1st, you don't say whether you would be leaving for another church or not. I can understand the turmoil you going through spiritually, I left the Catholic church because of the fallacies in it and found the risen Christ through the Bible, not some extra-canonical book(s). But I digress.
Now understand, those of us who are believers outside the LDS consider LDS members non-Christians for many reasons but I will spare the preaching aspect of it. So read this as if you are a "believer" and your husband is a "non-believer."
Aging Casually is right to say to bolt from the LDS church ASAP. However, scripture says this about married couples.
1 Corinthians 7
10 But to the married I give instructions, not I, but the Lord, that the wife is not to leave her husband 11 (but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband is not to divorce his wife.
12 But to the rest I say, not the Lord, that if any brother has an unbelieving wife, and she consents to live with him, he must not divorce her. 13 And if any woman has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, she must not divorce her husband. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy. 15 Yet if the unbelieving one is leaving, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us in peace. 16 For how do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?
I don't need to elaborate on it, it speaks for itself. Let me say this, if he becomes physically abusive or an extremely verbal abuser (which could lead to physical abuse), leave but do not be the one who initiates a divorce. HE is the unbeliever according to scripture. God Bless, Little Girl.
@@arianae6706 Feeling are subjective, Ariana. Many a bad decision is made on "feelings." Please read my advice to her and tell me what you may agree or disagree with. Remember, I'm coming from a, to put it in a vernacular way, "religious" perspective because she didn't say she dismisses any or all religious views of her life. I do agree100% with your 1st sentence (as written) in your post. though.
I had a Mormon kid come to my house, several years ago, and wanted my wife and I to convert. I sat him down, gave him a glass of lemonade, and got out a pad of paper and a pencil. My wife and I made $168k that year. $1,400.00 per month. House payment, two cars, taxes, insurance of all forms, college for our daughter, and a LOT of other bills. Cable, electric, gas, telephones, etc. I showed him what 10% PRE-TAX income would do to our lives. Essentially, $1,400.00 per month LESS into our nest egg. Ummm...NO. When I got done, he thanked me, and didn't try to push the issue. I suggested a trailer park for his next victims.
First off it's really nice to get notifications for every video you put out. Click that 🔔 people 😁
On the video, I got emotional hearing the story of the family that couldn't afford anything cause of tithing. It reminded me of my family's story growing up.
I feel so bad now whenever going to the LDS sub-reddits. Very few faith-promoting posts, most are about problems people are having that in hindsight are completely ridiculous and should never be an issue. I'm glad my eyes have been opened but I wish so bad we could help others see outside of their little box.
Can I just tell you that being a mom of 4 is enough of a task, but the fact that you are kind enough to do what you do for exmos just brings me to tears. You are so wonderful and beautiful inside and out for how you put yourself out there so honestly and respectfully. Please know you are so loved and valued and I am so thankful for you.
I once tried to speak to a Mormon friend of mind about a mostly neutral TV documentary about the church and all he could do was rant about how it was nothing but lies. I think that maybe he didn't even watch it.
it is encouraged by the ProFits-not to view anything NOT sanctioned & approved by the "prophets", for obvious reasons.
I think it would be so funny if you did a video reacting to The Book of Mormon musical soundtrack. I love your content!❤️
I was just wondering the other day if she’d seen the show, and if she’d posted her thoughts. :)
@@AVspectre I just LOVE that play! Seen it more than once. I've never been Mormon but lived in Utah for 11 years and worked and played softball with Mormons so I get all the jokes and nuances.
This might be a stupid question but, how does the bishop know how much a family brings in? Maybe stretch the truth about what you make? Better yet, tell them to take a hike and run like hell from this crazy cult.
Non-Mormon here.... I had a co-worker that had to submit her tax return to the bishop to determine her tithing amount to get her temple recommend!
@@arianae6706 Oops... My comment was meant for "Red Devil Raspberry" when she asked how the bishop would know how much a family brings in.
@stephen miller that isn't true, at all.
@@acetrades1524 Wrong. It “can” be required. It’s not normal and no not everyone has to do so, but some bishops will ask and if you refuse you will likely be told that you are not showing enough faith, and are not worthy of temple work or taking the sacrament. You may also be the target of oddly specific “testimonies” during a future service that will all but name you as a non-payer of tithing.
@@josephpenderson613 if its not normal, and not everyone has to do so, then we agree, its not required. So your statement isn't true, at all. Its not required.
If you have to pay your way into heaven is it really a heaven worth being in?
Why would a pay wall lower it's worth?
Terry.
Could be worth it.
Islam, with their promised 72 virgins, maybe---unless they were virgins who were virgins because they were scary looking beasts!
@@daveyjones9930 Islam does not seem to be worth it either.
@@ThomasJDavis You should not have pay for eternal bliss it make the whole point of religion pointless if you have to pay to get into Heaven.
@@terrysbookandbiblereviews
72 virgins or not the other costs associated with an Islamic heaven would be a lot heavier than the 10% for entry into the Mormon heaven. Neither one sounds enticing...
The heaven I would like is one where there is no mention of ANY religion!
That's a cult like mentality
The story about the tithing is so awful!
but one of MANY that exist
Okay I'm sorry but I kind of have a problem with taking money that they need, giving it to the church and then living off of the government instead with the WIC program. I don't have any problem with people using the WIC program when they need it but I kind of have a problem with the WIC program being used so that money can be given to the church instead. I mean they wouldn't need to be on the WIC program if they weren't giving money to the church so they're taking WIC money away from other people just so that the church can have money. Again I don't blame the couple I blame the church but I really really have a problem with this idea
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it is a vicious cycle in the more Mormon areas.
Giving your money to the church is dumb. But Americans really need to get over their aversion to social welfare. In Scandinavia social welfare is UNIVERSAL irregardless of income. And they have the best outcomes.
@@blackalien6873 I don't have a problem with them receiving money when they need it but they don't need it because they don't need to give 10% to the church instead. They need to keep that 10% for themselves and not use government assistance so that there's money for other people that actually need the government assistance. The church is literally taking away government assistance from those that need it.
@@UlexiteTVStoneLexite 😂😂😂😂 how is the non confirmed Covid side effects going 😂😂😂
my bishop literally makes fun of me and picks on me because of my race, blames everyones mistakes on me, and i recently got banned from going to girls camp because another girls mess. he blames it all on me and it hurts me so much, the whole CHURCH makes rumors about me and spreads them like its nothing, im treated horribly with racism and i cant fit in no matter how hard i try, j always get left out and made fun by everyone because of the bishop. Anyone have any advice ?? :( i cant go on anymore with losing friends because the bishop is literally manipulating my friends' parents into thinking i am a horrible person. i was so excited to go to girls camp, im devastated:(
5:00 this is so awful, this is spiritual extortion/blackmail.
14:43 yay my name is there. Thank you for your videos.
That is absolutely a b******* concept. The all-powerful being of the universe has to have you pay a human invention so that you can get into heaven. This idea and concept just gets weaker and weaker every time.
My first time being in a temple and having to pay for a meal at the cafeteria…Then also paying for clothes…I was thinking why is there money in the temple??…
Not to mention the lock on the lockers.....
Out of Topic: Lex, your eye makeup is GOURGEUS!
The second to last one at 12:20 is literally "I love the teachings of the church, but the teachings of the church make me so sad". It is heartbreaking that sometimes people are so indoctrinated that they cannot take a simple step back and realize that what they are saying.
Ooh a new video. Pretty top makes you cheerful and summery. Hope you and your husband and kids have a fun summer.👍👋
Wow. Don't you remember how in the New Testament the Savior led his apostles and other "worthy' disciples through the temple to learn Masonic-like signs and phrases necessary for their exaltation, and then wearing special necessary underwear with Masonic-like markings on them? Huh. Maybe, could it possibly be that it's because IT NEVER HAPPENED? Gee, if it were that important, wouldn't it be discussed in the BIBLE? (Interestingly enough, it's never mentioned in the Book of Mormon, either). Maybe the 99.99% of the world's population are just not in-the-know about all these things, huh? Poor devils.
Hey @exmolex can I buy you some acoustic panels for your new recording room? Sound quality is kind of a thing for me and I’d love to help you out.
Not supposed to talk about it because it lame and crazy
Thank you for this Lexie! Thank you for being a positive uplifting influence. The story that you've read about the couple struggling to pay tithing and their heartless unempathetic bishop is one of the many reasons I find the lds church so revolting and morally abhorrent. They're being taken advantage of and they wouldn't recognize it! It's morally infuriating, but then ultimately the power to rid themselves of such unnecessary burden and spiritual and financial extortion lies completely with themselves.
Lol no it was your video! 😂🤣😂🤣
Lol good job
Your videos are amazing! Mormonism is a cult! Thank you for helping people see the light! (Your hair looks beautiful btw) 😀✌🏻
You are developing into a pretty amazing therapist. 😂🤩
Your the best! Thanks 🙏🏼
One shouldn’t have to pay to go to church. 💔😥
Great video. The Mormon church should be ashamed for exploiting its members.
in Matthew, by the way, Jesus says there's no marriage in Heaven. but who cares about that.
I think Joseph Smith took it as that you can't get married in Heaven--You have to do it here beforehand. But if you're married, and then you make it to the Celestial Kingdom, look out! You've got so much humpin' and pumpin' to do with all of your wives--After all, you've got entire planets of spirit-babies to produce!
No reason to think a jesus existed, let alone said anything, or that we have a reliable record of what he may or may not have said.
You are doing a GREAT JOB! Thx
"Sacred" is in heaven and the Holy Bible...not on man's hands to build a building and garments to wear~
Thank you Jesus the Christ that you are Sacred to us 📖💖🙏🏻
OK, I honestly don’t know what temple ceremonies look like in 2021. I went through the temple for the first time, Salt Lake temple, waaaaay back in 1964. I last went through the temple in London, 1973.
In 1964, the ceremony was a lengthy three hour process, with human actors (all very old, non professional actors), In 1973, the process was much shorter, with a film and a shorter ceremony.
Both times the ceremony ended up in a very white, very quiet, very sterile room. A celestial room.
Quietness, whiteness, and non-contemporariness were the significant factors both times. The intent, I presume, was that the celestial kingdom would be a place to strive towards. To live forever in a blindingly white, blindingly quiet, blindingly bland environment would be the ultimate goal.
In 1975, I realized that I no longer desired to live forever, FOREVER, EtErNaL, in an existence where colours no longer existed, wheres sounds no longer hramonized, where people no longer differentiated, where I could no longer think for myself.
The mormon temple ceremony strives, promises, a permanent place of boredom.
If you’re still a TBM, and still going to the temple, ask yourself one simple question. Could I maintain sanity living in a celestial kingdom for every single day for the rest of eternity? When you get to the celestial room, Is this all there is?
GIRL, I got a BofM ad before this video. Get that coin 🙌😂
Oh that 2nd story broke my heart. 🥺
Tithing does not need to be part of the temple recommend. This from an ex-Mormon
Tithing is the reason for the temple recommed. lol. What the hell is the church going to do with only 130 billion and members who think that can be saved without paying heavens gate keepers. there can never be enough cash.
Love you, Lex! I love your videos! I get so excited when I see that you’ve uploaded another one.
Exactly how can you believe in a God that requires you to hand over a man-made thing? How can you believe in a god that says that your access to heaven is dependent on a non-existent man-made thing such as money?
To parody a wise man,
What does God need with money?
A starship: The USS Nauvoo.
Hell yeah bro!
Tithings in the bible its str8 biblical and the word tithe means tenth. Now u may not like father in heaven thats fine ur entitled to ur choice and one day u will have to choose.
@@kennethd.9436 The expanse is an awesome show
@@six1nyne no dude your God does not exist. Why in the world would I throw away my money to an imaginary man in the sky??? I know you're convinced that you're God exists but he doesn't and you're literally throwing away your money. Either way you try to spend it this is the dumbest logic ever because again what does God need with money. If you want to be incompetent go right ahead.
No I am not going to give away my money to an imaginary man in the sky that doesn't exist. It's my money and I'm going to use it how I want to so you can shove off. And no I'm not going to have to face anything one day because your imaginary friend does not exist not sure how many times I have to say this your imaginary friend does not exist
I don’t understand why Mormons must be “sealed” to remain together in the “Celestial Kingdom” when they are already family or married. That’s the real con, isn’t it? To get the money and keep people obedient…
One of my Mormon relatives is a bishop who had a family come to him, saying they couldn’t both pay their tithe and make payments on their home. My wealthy bishop relative offered to “help.” NOT to loan them money to pay the tithe, oh no! Instead he took advantage of them by buying their house at a non-competitive, off-the-market price. The family thought they’d still have a claim to the home after the sale, because he was their bishop. They didn’t. And the bishop made a profit.
I wish Mormons could truly accept Jesus and realize salvation is not theirs to earn. Jesus earned it. He offers it as a gift. Works will follow naturally as that gift is received. That Peace is beyond description.
The temple scares members away,because there's no explanations about it.
I just want to hug them! That bishop is such a jerk. Isn’t that what the bishops storehouse is for???
Legit asking. How does the mormon bishop know if i’m paying exactly 10% of my paycheck? do they submit A W2?? like what. how do they know how much you make. A 20 year old working at a gas station doesn’t make the same as architect or astrophysicists. How does the bishop know? Do you have to pay with a check or how does it get tithed with the church knowing exactly how much you gave? Some people tithe cash but God knows how much cash I put in the plate
I've been through this before. With these meetings/interviews, the Bishop will more than likely ask how much you make per hour and how often you get paid. That would give a pretty good idea on what that 10% would look like per paycheck. And it is very clear that the church does NOT care if you are struggling with everything else in your life. If you can't pay half of your bills, who cares just as long as you pay that 10% and make time to go to the temple.
It's the honor code. 10% of net or 10% of gross paying on gifts or perdium is between you and God.
"Dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum."
Me and my gran have had a few visits from mormons. They had the gall to pray with my gran without masks during a pandemic!!-!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My aunt let complete strangers come to our front door
I've been trying to show the error of their ways for forty-five years. The Book of Abraham fiasco should have ended that church a long time ago.
Controversy and criticism
Main article: Critical appraisal of the Book of Abraham
In the late 19th century, French Egyptologist Théodule Devéria was one of the first to offer a scholarly critique of Joseph Smith's translation.
Since its publication in 1842, the Book of Abraham has been a source of controversy. Non-Mormon Egyptologists, beginning in the late 19th century,[74] have disagreed with Joseph Smith's explanations of the facsimiles. They have also asserted that damaged portions of the papyri have been reconstructed incorrectly. In 1912, a letter about the Book of Abraham was published by Arthur Cruttenden Mace, Assistant Curator in the Department of Egyptian Art in New York's Metropolitan Museum of Art. He wrote:
I return herewith, under separate cover, the 'Pearl of Great Price.' The 'Book of Abraham,' it is hardly necessary to say, is a pure fabrication. Cuts 1 and 3 are inaccurate copies of well known scenes on funeral papyri, and cut 2 is a copy of one of the magical discs which in the late Egyptian period were placed under the heads of mummies. There were about forty of these latter known in museums and they are all very similar in character. Joseph Smith's interpretation of these cuts is a farrago of nonsense from beginning to end. Egyptian characters can now be read almost as easily as Greek, and five minutes' study in an Egyptian gallery of any museum should be enough to convince any educated man of the clumsiness of the imposture.[103]
The controversy intensified in the late 1960s when portions of the Joseph Smith Papyri were located. The translation of the papyri by both Mormon and non-Mormon Egyptologists does not match the text of the Book of Abraham as purportedly translated by Joseph Smith.
But here we are, heads still stuck in the sand.
Yeah, right? Total denial. Sad, sad.
"Anti Mormon content" doesn't exist. It's just talking about stuff the Mormon church doesn't want people to know about.
It's ridiculous how scared people are of "anti-mormon stuff." My coworkers are all mormon and it's kinda hilarious how tense they get when I talk about cool tattoos or cute gay couples. Those are the kinds of awkward silences that I almost enjoy. XD
The post about going without, just so that tithing can be paid, is heartbreaking. The Church is putting a price on being close to God, entering the Temple and having a marriage sealed. That's pure greed.
On government assistance and still has to pay tithing. ...Maybe if they did not have to pay so much tithing they could afford milk, juice and cereal. So in a way our taxes are going to the church.
My husband and I are having doubts about the Morman faith. We have both been hurt by members of the faith. We are starting to look into the past of the faith and also where we see our selves in the future. I am so glad I have him in my life. He is doing his best to support me in everything I want to do and decide to do.
It’s so messed up to me that there’s not more help for families who are struggling. The way it’s supposed to work is you pay your tithing, even if it’s a widow’s mite, but then the church pays for your housing, food, medical care, people babysit your kids, give you rides, help you find higher paying work or cheaper rent, etc. it seems like that sense of community and ward family has really been breaking down. So yeah, just leave it to the proud, old, white, wealthy, straight folks who follow the toxic abundance gospel and don’t actually understand the law of consecration at all. How are you going to talk about the evils of socialism or welfare and have the law of consecration as doctrine? 🤔
re: the tithe payer. I would tell them to shame the bishop privately for his behavior, and if that doesn't work, shame him for his behavior publically. Tell him that if he doesn't help in some way, either by helping you find the money in your budget, helping your husband get a better paying job, or simply helping out with your food budget, that your only possible conclusion will be that he is not a follower of Jesus Christ but a veritable wolf in the fold or Judas who only pretends to follow Jesus. I would remind him that "even as ye have done this unto the least of these, ye have done it unto me." Let him know that you will not sustain him, but oppose him as a false disciple and false follower of Christ for refusing and shirking his responsibility to help. Tell him that you will be praying that God either humbles him and softens his heart or removes him one way or another from his position and replaces him with someone who takes his calling as shepherd to feed the lambs and sheep of Jesus' flock seriously.
Oh my God I can’t believe that the Utah Bishop wouldn’t even offer her bishop storehouse assistance be in the situation myself I always got offered that and actually got told that if needed that we didn’t need to pay tithing this is one of the reasons why I can’t stand the life ties and how bishops are trained lol they’re not trained they get to do whatever they want and claim of those there a relation I happen to get lucky to get a good bishop multiple get Bishop‘s actually that helped pay for some bills and said I didn’t need to pay tithing if I couldn’t I would’ve been on the streets multiple times at the church and helped me I can’t believe in Utah of all places that I can’t even do that this is very repugnant! I’m so glad I’m leaving this church. Or should I say Cult.
The church should be helping this family with food from the food storage pantry. I am so angry that this bishop has no compassion for this family. This may get them out of the church, but in a way they will always feel like there should have been a way they could have gotten sealed. Jesus did not teach any of the temple ceremonies.
How does the church even know you are really paying 10% of your income? I am not a member but from what I read, it is more of an honor system thing. If you say you are paying 10% then they just accept it and won't pry.
Actual conversation I had
Dad talking to us: Sometimes I hear the Holy Ghost as an actual voice!
Me, a schizophrenic: Dad that’s not a good thing
Dad: Stop shaming me for my beliefs!
This is why I don’t view Mormonism as a Christian church bc denying a family entry to the temple because they can’t afford tithing would not be a Christian thing to do
Never mind they deny EVERY aspect of Apostolic and historical Christian doctrine of the church? Not being facetious but you still have a lot to learn about Christian doctrine, Am. It's out there, buddy, search for it.
@@davidhall2197 I should have said one of the reasons, to be sure. I wasn’t looking to write an essay in a YT comment chain
@@amde8554 OK, good to know. To me, the tithing part of their church is one small heresies, per se.
They must love Zeppelin's "Stairway to Heaven" lol
You could write a thick book on horrible things Christians would do. You could call it the bible.
What is your take on Mormons being Trump supporters even though he doesn’t embrace their moral principles? Sorry if you are a MAGA person but I just wanted to know how you perceived that whole BS.
@@Metroid-rg9pn follows the constitution? What about the insurrection?
I’m lds and I don’t support trump i didnt fall for his lie “make America great again”;he has brought so much division to this country. The brethren told the saints to not get involved in a power struggle for office before the clowns many lds marched on the capital. That u let the constitution play out and in due time change the course of the country the way the founding fathers intended. You can say all are immoral sure but some more then others. Trump only spouts Christianity when it vaults his ego to higher spheres. I cant believe how many were taken by the guy. Like in AZ when one of his lackeys compared him to capn moroni🤣 cmon man how gullible are the saints? Was capn moroni porking stormy daniels why he led his people to fight for there god and for their freedom? They say f Biden I say f trump. God says he visits the sins of the fathers on the children now look at BLM did we (today’s white Americans) put them in chains no but are we paying for the sins of our fathers ur damn straight we r that’s the beauty of the gospel every word is fulfilled. I believe president Nelson’s recent gestures to the naacp is a step in reuniting this country once again. And Biden’s Juneteenth as well a move toward what made a America great in the first place. One nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all.
@@HarveyDroke Trump never cared about the Constitution, or following ANY rules or laws for that matter. He's all about serving his super-ego. He's gotten away with whatever he wanted to do his whole life, and he just spent 4 years trying to see how many rules he could break and get away with as President. The sad thing is that he'll never pay for any of his crimes. The Trump-crazies will refuse to let it happen.
@@six1nyne I agree with your previous statement, so on that note, how are so many Mormons claiming they have the promptings of the Holy Ghost and the gift of discernment, yet go to the Capitol on Jan 6th? I’m not putting you on the spot, I really am looking for answers. Also, LDS say they follow the prophet but so many members of the church are refusing to get vaccinated because Trump’s statements regardless that President Nelson was vaccinated. I’m so confused and upset at the members of the church that I started looking for answers and found Lexi - and I’m glad I did.
@@mylesmarkson1686 i appreciate your comment. when Oaks came out last Gen. Conference and mentioned the upholding the Constitution, so many Trumpers didn’t think he was addressing the insurrection. It’s hard for me to associate with Mormons now that I’ve seen how eager they are to blindly follow Trump. If figure if they got that part wrong, what else did they get wrong. Not criticizing, just taking a good look at everything I know now.
You are not worthy if you don’t pay it and pisses me off
Good job on 4m views!!!! That is awesome!!
this jumped into my head IMMEDIATELY and i found it hilarious:
the pope: you need to pay in order to get rid of your sins and get into heaven
luther: here's 95 reasons why i think both that and you are bullshit
lds church: you need to pay to get into heaven
lex: top 10 reasons why i think both that and you are bullshit
edit: grammar mainly
I'd just like to bury my testimony right now. I'm grateful that my parents always paid a full tithe as well as contributed to building our new stake center. With a famliy of 7 and hardly ever any food in the refrigerator as teenagers it just didn't make any sense to go home. We ate at our friends houses. Our parents were faithful and dad even worked another job for christmas but they didn't even try to keep us home cuz then they would have to feed us. Luckily they divorced and our family completely broke up and along the way I was able to break the trance. I say these things in the name of freedom and the grace of the universe amen lol
Always perks me up when I see a new ExMo Lex video in my feed. Thanks for the content and for keeping it real!
The rally sick thing about that woman on WIC is that the prophet would tell her to have more kids.
There is a family I know, they have now had 5 kids...ALL on the spectrum, and the parents are not able to cope with them, so they medicate them to try to deal with them. She is now probably 500lbs, and she is gonna pop out another in hopes of a normal child so they can worthy of the celestial blah, blah, blah. Boys that are becoming violent, so they will be but in the system and others will have to deal with these kids that are literally OUT of CONTROL. She doesn't work outside the home, neither does he, as the kids are up all the time screaming, kicking, banging, as they can't communicate well. In a 2 bedroom apt. The bishop told them NOT to come to the ward, but keep trying for that "blessed" child.
Didn’t Wendy Nelson counsel the saints in Africa to pay more than 10% to get even more blessings?
Wait WHAT?????
If you have a reference for this I would love to take a look!
@@ExmoLex i just emailed it to you, let me know if it doesn’t open !
Even when I was a Mormon, I never understood why other Mormons saw every joke or criticism as persecution.
Americans don't know what real persecution is, and now I'm out I'm hoping one day Mormons actually experience it so they can see how silly they look for what they think persecution is now.
the church has a distribution center, with food and household supplies.........the bishop has an obligation to provide those resources and the KNOWLEDGE that they exist.....wtf?
I have never been Mormon but my family was big into FreeMasonry. I was in both Job’s Daughters and Rainbow. I have been to many Masonic and Eastern Star installations and such. From what I have seen, the Temple clothing didn’t seem THAT weird to me. But I guess I recognized my Job’s Daughters’ robes and my grandpa’s Masonic apron!
Hello Lexi,
I understand, relate & appreciate a lot of what you share. That’s said I think it’s easy to get into a sphere w/lots of ppl who agree w/a certain way of thinking, (similar to the LDS or other church environments) and come to poor or inaccurate conclusions. RUclips Comment section isn’t a good place for dialogue either. For example the catch phrase. “ There’s nothing you’re not worthy of”. Striving to be a critical thinker I find it a strange phrase/motto. I do understand the context and where you’re coming from. I don’t think that leadership in the church are the only ones who can be hypocritical, too controlling of the narrative or arrive at in accurate/false conclusions.
beautiful testimony, sincere, born again into reality.
Aw that second comment poor privlaged christian.
It is so sick that they prey on the week force them to pay while they are suffering!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Proof they only care about money. Christianity is a scam.
I had a bishop who yelled at me for such a long time because I wasn’t going to church every Sunday. I have a few disabilities and that was the reason but he yelled and caused a seizure. My late husband was angry at him. That was the day I left. I never looked back.
I got in trouble when I asked about the temple clothes after being sealed to my mom and step dad when I was 9. I was freaking 9 and it was weird and confusing
Bishop roulette at church of Jesus christ of latter day narssisists
That tithing story ... Heartbreaking 😢💔
can go to bishop to get food from the bishop warehouse
Regarding tithing and the bishop…
Is this WWJD?
Btw, tithing in the beginning was less than 10%.
And what is the church welfare system for anyway?
You think the church would kick down a package of pampers for two of Heavenly Father’s elect.
And btw, God OWNS ALL THE MONEY!
If the second one is true that’s really sad to hear. I can’t imagine going into to debt to pay tithes only to get no support from the people in my church.
I think the comment about attacks on the presidency might be talking about the Q anon members in the church
It's tough reading posts from Mormon groups . The amount of misery and suffering on display is truly sad.
My sister, who converted to the LDS faith in high school...for a boy (her future husband, who I freely admit is one of the best men I've ever known). Throughout her life, she struggled with two types of trauma. The first was child sexual abuse (not related to the LDS Church). The second was _never_ feeling like she was worthy of God's love (regularly reinforced _by_ the LDS Church). I'm not an expert in psychosomatic illness, but I can't help thinking the cancer that killed her, at the age of 48, was _promoted_ by her constant sense of self-loathing.