On Hybrid Skinks (Again) - Ep. 92
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2024
- What's the deal with hybridizing skink species? In this episode I take on another difficult subject. The topic of hybrid skinks in the captive population. This mini rant/ discussion comes from my purist-minded public zoo background.
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I really appreciate your well researched videos!
Every single video you release is just incredible! I always learn something new and love it! You are the man TC!
Thank you David! :-)
The effects of hybridization Is something i knew very little of before this video so thanks for the info.
Glad to share the knowledge 😁👍🏼
Said it before, will say it again:
A man of reason. finally!
Your videos are amazing keep up the great work! I just got a Irian jaya and did a bunch of research but I watched every video u post and it helps me a ton! Thank you
That’s great to hear! Congrats 🎊🎉
Excellent video TC
Keep em coming
TC! I started an email to you a couple days ago with some adorable pics of my little Skinkerdoodle to show you how spoiled and loved he is in his new home with us - but I keep taking cuter and cuter pics so I haven't sent it. You were right, he has THE best personality and is such a dream pet.
I also love it when people share your videos in some of the skink groups I'm in!! I always get to look like the cool reptimomma when I say you are who I got my little boo from. ;)
That’s fantastic! Makes me super happy to hear.
Given what we have done to this planet in record time, we need to be thinking of the future. Look at what conservation groups are doing now to try to recapture pure blood American Bison. Because 100yrs ago we bred them with imported cattle, even most zoos don't have access to pure specimens of what is the only true North American megafauna. What limited animals without cow genetics we have may not have enough genetic diversity to ensure healthy populations into the future. Millions of dollars are being pumped in to try to create a small handful of purebred babies each year. We didn't know better a century and change ago when we started diluting bison genetics - but we DO know better now. Or, at least the data is available to us....if we choose to see it.
Whatever happened to "when you know better, you do better"??? Because we aren't really doing better.
Whether or not you believe it is caused by humans (it is) climate change is having a MASSIVE impact on reptiles and amphibians specifically. Not 100yrs from now, not when our kids are all grown, not in a few years. Literally right now, today. Because so many oviparous species have sexual expression which is determined by temperature, we are seeing a dramatic shift in the ratios of males to females in certain wild populations. There are species who will be unable to breed in the wild before my daughter is out of college. In a situation like this, the purity of genetics in herpticulture may be the only way to ensure wild diversity into the future.
Much like TC, I am a fan of fact and peer review. You can research everything I have said, and find it to be accepted science.
This whole thing starts to feel like the spider ball python debate to me. It is so disgustingly Veruca Salt. "But but b-b-b-but they look COOOOOL. And, like, it could totally be fine! I really WANT this one specific morph and it doesn't matter if I can get pattern reduction from a genotype which doesn't risk neurological defects - I want what I want and you can't tell me it is bad!!!!!" I get it, we are selfish creatures who have the prefrontal cortices to have all the hubris we could ever use to any destructive ends we care to. That being said, "but I WANT IT!!!!" just is not good enough for me. I don't understand why it is good enough for anyone.
Yeah there aren’t many pure bison anymore either. I wish in many cases humans would just butt out.
Amazing videos!
I’m not a skink person but I always watch your videos because I’m passionate and serious about our hobby, and I love learning. Thanks man! Have a great rest of your week 👍
Thanks Carley! You’re awesome 👏
Amazing video as always dude!! You've inspired me to start my own snake RUclips channel!!
Thays awesome. Can’t wait to see it!
@@ReptileMountainTV thank you man!! Im 1 week in and 17 viedos deep! Improving on every video I feel!!
You need some doom impending music for every time the word Hybrid is used
That is so true...da da duummmm....lol
Most important is to be honest and keep the record of breeding history!
Totally agree!
Uh oh. I just saw someone on fb say he bred an indo with an aussie few days ago haha
Shame on him
The witch hunt in reptile community.
I’ve done a ridiculous amount of research on these and I want one so bad but they are so hard to acquire one from what I’ve seen and tried to look into
This question is unrelated to the video but i was wondering what is a good weight and length for an Indonesian blue tongue skink?
I agree with some species purity matters especially in species that are protected and won’t be available to the general community but for very common species that are not even close to being considered a protected species I see no reason not to experiment with hybridization who knows maybe you will create something that is incredibly cool I would love to cross and breed garter snakes to try and make a hybrid that looks exactly like or almost exactly like the San Francisco garter snake that nearly extinct something like that could reduce black market or poaching of wild caught species I could see it being a very good thing potentially
I hear ya. Im still a fan of nature’s way over mankind’s way.
Hello is there any way to contact you because I’m having trouble with my skink
you can email me if you like. Its in the description. You should also try some of the facebook groups and bluetongueskinks.org forum.
I read the title as hybrid snakes 😂
lol
Hello TC, i have a very dumb question.
My newest skink girl is a wildcaught skink. Sadly. Now she gets pills for her parasites.
But she is a sneaky girl and every time its a fight to get her to not slobber the pill out.
Can you made a video about giving drugs to our skinks? Or give me a tip to do it better?
You will have to place it far enough back that she can't spit it out and then gently hold her mouth closed to ensure it stays. This really should be explained by your vet not me.
Well I know you know my stance on hybrids. Scorched earth...
Haha. 🔥 purity or death!
I’m kinda eh I mean the muddying of the waters has happened with tiger Salamanders. But with skinks I think Indonesians with Indonesians may be ok but don’t muddy the waters and maybe Aussies with Aussies
My church would beg to differ on the not being able to regain purity once it’s lost
Lol. Spiritual purity is a whole different discussion entirely 😉
Hey TC, I bought a northern blue tongue skink from an expo a week ago. They said he was 8 weeks old, but he seems slightly smaller than your 1 month old babies. Did they lie and say he was older than he actually was, or do you think they feed him less often than you do. (Each time I’ve given him a meal he has eaten slightly more than the size of his head)
They can grow at different rates this one was probably not fed heavily. Just keep feeding it and I’m sure it’ll go just fine.
Thx for your quick reply. Btw I love your channel
This annoys me a lot on the Carpet Python community, it's mixes of subspecies everywhere and then even worse people breeding them with GTPs and Bredli's. So many snakes labeled as "Jungles" or "Diamonds" that are weird crosses.
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do all skink species act toward each other behaviorly in the same way? i would never hybridize my beautiful merauke but i'm not sure i would be able to find another merauke owner in my area to help sex the little guy. would a different sub species work?
They will interbreed. I would not cross anything but a Merauke for sure. There are some great breeders who could sell you a CBB Merauke if you wanted to start breeding them.
@@ReptileMountainTV i would only be using the other non-merauke skink to observe the behavior of my own skink, to help sex him, but if the risk of interbreeding during the brief interaction period is too high, I definitely won't! thanks for the help : ) I'll have to try and arrange a meetup of some sort, or take him to an expert. I'm a little worried about purchasing another skink that is the same sex as my own.
What are your purists opinion on skink morphs?
Great question! There are some pure Northern morphs (White) and pure Eastern morphs (Hypermelanistic) that are great. I don’t like the subspecies hybrids such as alabaster etc. they are pretty but wouldn’t own one ever. No different than a wolf dog. Not even a fan of the Kimberly Albinos because of it.
Hey Tc how often do baby skinks poop I’ve had mine since Sunday and it’s eaten cat food everyday but I haven’t found poop yet
Usually they poop a few hours to a day or so following a meal. New homes and foods can cause a slight shift.
ReptileMountain.TV ok thanks will be waiting for that turd to drop
ReptileMountain.TV update just found poop yesterday
Another great video, TC. Humans sure have muddied the waters when it comes to animal genetics and purity, unfortunately mostly out of greed. Side note: I'm guessing care requirements between Northerns and Indos, such as humidity, even become an issue when hybridizing the two species. 🦎👍
Hey Cole, yeah As far as Northerns and Indos care isn't a huge issue as Northerns actually can handle high amounts of humidity and temp like Indos. It gets really bad when mixing something like a Victorian Eastern with an Indo or something like that. That is certainly a concern with hybrids in general though. Great point.
What about a fire skink and a western or blue tail skink or orange throat Pygmy skink can they be crossed and hybridized
It depends on several factors. How many chromosomes they have their pre and post zygotic barriers etc. some yes some no.
My parents won’t let me keep my reptile I’m my room because they say it’s not safe is dangerous to keep your reptile in the same room you sleep in?
Depends on the type of reptile and several factors. Did you ask your parents to help you understand what makes it dangerous?
ReptileMountain.TV I’m getting an Irian Jaya blue tongued skink my parents said when they use the bathroom there will be ammonia build up of course I will spot clean daily and full tank cleanings. The tank is about 6ft away from me so is there a real threat?
Great video as always. I do enjoy the in depth information. I do wonder though about natural hybridization in the wild. I watch or read something about tegu species hybridization because of territory intersecting. Will these type of hybridization fall into a" do not do this in captivity." It was just a curiosity I had.
Either way my view is similar to yours. I feel like hybrids are a wow factors. I know there are extreme opposites to this topic. But I can understand how it can affect the hobby. Especially when you are sold a hybrid but someone could purposely or accidentally mislabeled it as a pure line. That could be a disaster as now several people do believe their hybrids are pure.
The genetic testing you are contributing in seems exciting.:)
Natural hybrids are not a reason to do so in captivity. No professionals would consider a captive bred hybrid a representation of a naturally occurring one.
@@ReptileMountainTV Thank you for that clarification. I have seen or read some people that argue "if they do it in the wild it is okay to do it in captivity".
😁👍🏼 Ive heard that claim too often. Its an uneducated response that nobody who knows better would make lol. Some people lol.
My Bluey was called Tiliqua scincoides spec. The breeder said he is a Northern, but not a pure blood Northern. His ancesters were a pure Northern and an australian blue tongue skink from a little bit more eastern, which exact subspecies is unknown. Maybe just a Northern that occured more in the east. Would you consider him to be a hybrid? He looks exactly like a Northern and is healthy. But I'm actually very against hybrids so I was wondering if he would be considered one. He was the only breeder that sells australian blueys and told me that it's pretty much impossible to find a completly pure blood Northerns where I live.
Its possible it could have some Eastern or Eastern x Northern intergrade blood. When in doubt... don't breed.
@@ReptileMountainTV I don't plan on breeding. He's a pet only :)
I am definitely a Purist. Hybrids drive me nuts...
Two questions...
1.when are will you get baby’s for sale Again
2.if it’s awhile please recommend a breeder that sells relatively cheap skinks because im on a budget
1) Hopefully next May/June 2020
2) KO Exotics, Captive Bred Excellence, Pocono Herpetofauna, Morph Graphics all have some posted at various prices, colors, and lineages right now.
Thanks eh
How much do you think a Northern sexed pair is worth? The female is a ‘reduced pattern’
A sexed pair could be as low as $1200 and as high as $3500 depending on coloration and lineage info
ReptileMountain.TV thanks!! I’ve spent 1500, I already have a male and can not wait to try and produce some babies next year!
This is awful! I had no idea ligers were so unhealthy! It should be banned. It seems common sense we shouldn't hybridize animals from totally different environments! Why is it done?
Mankind likes to play God 😕