Without being rude Pastor Bohr is lying or obfuscating. Ford never taught "once saved always saved" nor did he ever remotely infer "your works or your behavior have nothing to do with salvation." Ford taught the gospel, "God gives with both hands, ie, justification and sanctification, and one "has to be saved to be good not good to be saved." These statements are not merely rhetorical ones or semantics. Sanctification follows justification. Every person has their own particular 'journey'. Your gospel borders on legalism. Read and understand Malachi 3:17.
The answer to the Desmond Ford question could not be further from the truth, not opinion, but truth. Des was NOT a Determinist, nor did he ever view obedience and sanctification as an optional program. He always taught salvation by faith, but with a faith that works, a genuine faith that is seen in obedience. If Jesus is in the Holy of Holies going through the record to see who is and who isn't saved' then that does in fact undermine assurance of our having (present tense) as seen in 1 John 5:13. Remember, nobody is worthy to enter heaven. For those who have exercised faith in Jesus' work on the cross are all sinners saved by grace. But we are saved none-the-less. We do not deserve to attend the marriage supper of the Lamb, be we are going.
The Desmond Ford generation of ministers predominate today in our Church and so does his theology. There is constant theological clashing in Sabbath School classes because of these conflicting theologies. And pulpit messages most reflect his theology. Until we get bach to the sanctuary message motif of the plan of salvation we will be divided. Daniel 8:14 is the text that opened up the answer to the Great Disappointment and established our denomination as a distinctive people. May our Lord help us to be faithful to it.
They stated their answers would be from the Word of God ( are they referring to the Bible) and then made statements that are not in the Bible. Bible does not say Adam and Eve were covered with light.
@@mauricethomas7090 -- So you think that Ellen White taught error. Not just small errors, but major ones that can rob us of salvation. The Lord took great effort to establish Ellen White as His last day messenger. Her teachings expose a multitude of error being taught in the Christian world. So has He set you up as the corrector of heretics? Methinks you have a highly inflated opinion of your opinions.
I'm encouraged that Pastor CA added to his comment that God will do everything possible to see that we make it to Heaven, save (except) breaking His holy law. Most give the impression that God will say you are fit for Heaven when you are really not. God does not and will not lie. He is however the RIGHTEOUS JUDGE. His sentence will be FAIR. Praise God He has given us EVERYTHING we need to make sure of salvation including and especially the Holy Spirit's power and help.
The New Theology as it is called will continue to exist as long as our theological instutions continue to exist in their current state. They influence both the pastors and church members who attend those institutions as they are generally the influencers in the churches. And the writers of the worldwide Sabbath School Bible Study Guides and books such as I Used to Be Perfect in which the author sneers at victory over sin and such things as Last Generation Theology. Much prayer is needed for our Corporate repentance. May our Kind Heavenly Father help us!
Why dont you guys stop talking garbage, thete's no investigating judgement every one who come to Christ as Saviour have been judge in Christ on the cross of calvary. Have you forgotton God is an all knowing God,ever presence so sir dont presen a God who is not on par with His creation.
@@secretsunsealed First of all the great controversy, the paradise lost remix. Is false doctrine. No where in the Scripture does God character needs to vindicated. This was a terrible answer sort like Vegas magician show the Slight of Hand. Daniel 8:14, The Day of Atonement, and the Investigative Judgment by Desmond Ford was through bible study there is No way you can get 1844 from Daniel 8:14 and the bible does not teach a year date principle.
The answer here was not true! Watch. listen, and above all read your Bible and pray for Gods Holy Spirit! Then and only then you can know what our Father thinks about us all God bless 🙏🙏🙏💞
From Hohenwald, TENNESSEE The Father & His Son are on trial, which puts all on trial who follow after Them. With this world, is to show that God’s Words are all true, and none of them can be broken-Characteristics for the keeping of full joy, great peace, and uncompromising order; and that THEY do have a people that love THEM, and They have always loved THEIR creation and had our best interest in mind, from the very beginning. Alleluia❣️❣️❣️
@@henryhondo8421 Satan has put our Creator on trial, because of the devil’s false accusations against God, our Creator. Satan is allowed, for a short time (Revelation 12:12; Psalm 90:4; 2Peter 3:8) to show his side of the story. Jesus died to save us all, and to defend His honor. Matthew 3:17; Matthew 17:5; John 8:29, 6:39, 17:12,18:9). There is only one way to keep an orderly universe. That is through the Way, the Truth, and the Life. See John 14:6. “Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince (satan) of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.” John 14:30. “These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.” John 16:33. 1 John 4:4-6 “Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.”
@@henryhondo8421 I’d like to add: Have you ever seen “48 Hours” real life crimes? That’s the devil’s doing in those presentations, doing all his dirty work all the while people are blaming God for allowing it to happen. You’ve heard the talk, I’m sure! I’ve seen several episodes of 48 hours, and there was only one episode where a woman actually prayed to her Savior, and she was delivered. God delivers us everyday, anyway, but she was the only one who prayed to God for help. James 4:2-3 “You desire but do not have, so you kill. You covet but you cannot get what you want, so you quarrel and fight. You do not have because you do not ask God. 3 When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures.” Matthew 7:11-12 “If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him? Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.” The devil isn’t the lest bit interested in how he can please God. He’s a demon all the way…there is no sympathy for the devil from Gods people. Those who love the devil will do his bidding and blame God. Jesus speaks of the devil in John 8:44 “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.” So many People live their lives without giving Jesus Christ, even a second thought. Luke 17:11-19 “And it came to pass, as he went to Jerusalem, that he passed through the midst of Samaria and Galilee. And as he entered into a certain village, there met him ten men that were lepers, which stood afar off: And they lifted up their voices, and said, Jesus, Master, have mercy on us. And when he saw them, he said unto them, Go shew yourselves unto the priests. And it came to pass, that, as they went, they were cleansed. And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God, And fell down on his face at his feet, giving him thanks: and he was a Samaritan. And Jesus answering said, Were there not ten cleansed? but where are the nine? There are not found that returned to give glory to God, save this stranger. And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole.”
Gods Character is Not on Trial at all anymore! Our Saviour Said ( It is Finished) the Salvation of His Children and The Lie satan told on our Precious Creator it is Accomplished 💞💞🙏
@@CEBGRACE That’s true. But all hasn’t been finished, yet. The part where Jesus died for us so we could go on living, and come to know Him, and serve Him without being in bondage to the devil. We still have the rest of Daniel and Revelation to go… it’s not completely finished until the thousand years are over, and all the wicked are (permanently) perished. In case you haven’t noticed, there’s a lot of people who haven’t been convinced that God is innocent? So, I probably should’ve said, the Creator’s present day people are on trial- the true worshipers of God, the faithful who are written in the book of life, to stay. 😊
It seems to me problem is the great deceptiveness of who Satan is to break down by deception allegiance to God. The question is not solidly anchored in the biblical record and so the detractors of this account are looking for an issue that has not the mention or anchor of the Bible record. So, it is a blessing to have the advantage of help form the spirit of prophesy that has been given to us to fill in what is not fully biblical in nature. That is not an issue of salvation, that is a simple interest point that is not critical. Detractors though want to use it such.
The reason why the SDA is called cult is because of answering the question from the Bible they instead read from a book. The Bible does not mentioned "light as covering " of Adam and Eve before they commit sin. The Bible also does says that the moment Adam and Eve died after they ate the forbidden fruit. Which one do you want to believe: the Bible or the mere opinion of your book?
Desmond Ford saw that the Investigative Judgement was a slap in the face to Jesus’ finished work on the cross, in fully atoning for the sins of those who ask for His mercy. When Jesus said, “It is finished”, He didn’t mean, “There, I bought you some time; you’re on ‘parole’ now until we can take a closer look later.” It is a damnable doctrine.
@@MiChelle-rb4dd The “Investigative Judgement” is one of the 3 central pillars of the SDA church, yet you cannot give me 1 verse to support it. The Investigative Judgement is a false doctrine which negates Jesus’ finished work on the cross. It is a damnable doctrine. “But though we, or an Angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we preached unto you, let him be accursed.” (Gal 1:8)
Lets be sincere elders (1)rejection of the most precious message of justification by faith 1888 brought us to 1956,57;our compromised of central doctrine then was made manifest in 1976---- ;and now where are we?? Isa63:10;and isa60:2; however God's (church) not (organisation)will and are expriencing isa60:1---which is rev18:1---4
Regarding Desmond Ford: In my opinion, introducing doubt in the Pillars of Belief goes back to Gen. 3:4 "ye shall not surely die." The damage he did was preceded by the entire "go along to get along" philosophy that spawned "Seventh-day Adventists Answer Questions on Doctrine."
What a misrepresentation of Ford's issue with the churches understands of the judgment. If you want to discuss this issue you should study his arguments. Besides the sda church has changed its v new of the investigative judgment. This needs to be understood before you critique Des.
The Testimony of Jesus Christ says this: Jesus, in union with the saints, meted out to the wicked the portion they must suffer, according to their works; and it was written in the book of death. 1SG 212.2 Yes, we may ask why one of our loved ones isn’t there but the judgment of the wicked is a punitive one where Jesus and the saints decide how long a person will suffer in the lake of fire. I don’t understand why current SDA pastors don’t study this and speak the straight testimony! This was common belief prior to the 1980s. Also, Ford misquoted a quote from the Testimony of Jesus (aka The Spirit of Prophecy) leaving off a pertinent word that if read in it’s entirety would have proven the opposite of what he claimed. I’ve heard a student of his speak in recent years and this person’s doctrine was so off base, I had to leave the service.
My brothers in Christ I have heard the teachings of Dr. Ford and your answer is wrong about what he teaches and believed!!! U have falsely accused a brother You might need to listen in8 of judge his teachings! 🙏🙏🙏💞
No one is questioning that there will be a judgement day. Your problem is that you keep defending the 1844 claim, and Jesus currently has to individually receive daily progress reports of each persons' act of sins vs repentance ratio and his requiring of the manual weighing of these occurences, and most importantly denying the full atonement having taken place at the cross..... that's the critique.. unless you abondan Ellen as your ultimate final court of appeal.. you all will remain cult, unfortunately for you all...
The word of God in this case is the bible. Although in Gospel according to John chapter 1 verse 1 it says: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The Same was in the beginning with God . 3 All things were made by Him ; and without Him was not anything made that was made . 4 In Him was life ; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
@@JamieElison I have been to SDA church but I have been going to non denominational church on Sunday although I do think the pre tribulation or secret rapture is biblical . Thankfully they don't preach on it much.
@@JamieElison whenever someone says you're not catching it or you don't see it is a red flag for me . Maybe you are the one who has been deceived . I have been looking into the founders or as they are referred to as giants of the charismatic movements and their fruits do not look good, I've been around a long time back when prosperity gospel started when Calvary chapel branched off from four square. I eat the fruit and spit out the pits sometimes there are more pits than fruit. I do know that the pre tribulation rapture doctrine is new and false yet most evangelical Zionist churches have bought into it , I don't go so far as calling them satanic but the doctrine is in error. As far as Jesus being in the Holy of holies right now I'm still studying that. But this worshipping of Israel because it became a state is definitely not biblical, and there are a lot of Christians in these last days who are drawn to what their itching ears want to hear 🙉
Tares are people claim to believe in Jesus Christ only to find out they believe in the false Doctrines of the Devil. No True Believer in Christ (Wheat) Grows to become tare despite any weakness found in our flesh. And there are no tares that grow to become wheat. Matthew 7v21-23. The statement 'I never knew you', simply tells us that no matter how many times to have attended church and prayed it does not make you a believer in Christ. Those who have the seed of God in them can never be corrupted. When you read Colossians 3, The bible says our lives are hidden in Christ at the Right hand of God. When He appears(On his 2nd Coming), we shall be Like Him. I don't know if you think it's anything we have done here on Earth that shall make us to be like Him or It's the Faith we have professed to him the day we heard the Gospel. When we heard the gospel and believed, His image was restored in us. John3v16 And we were restored unto eternity, the hand of satan cannot reach us If we can have a heart to understand this👆
If this is Gods “end time-present truth-remnant church” how come nobody knows what it is? Is that the god you worship? The God we Believers worship has can and will get His message out. You can bet your life on that.
@jimijames7703 If you believe nothing the SDA teaches why do you troll every site we have? Go away and find something to do with your time before you fall under judgement of the Holy God. You are accomplishing nothing but bringing judgement upon yourself.
The very ones that appear at the wedding feast without Christ's righteousness clothing them, are the ones trying earn their own salvation. John 5:24 shows that the true Christian who believes on Jesus sacrifice "does not come into condemnation". Judgement needn't be by works, but faith or no faith. John 3:18. I am not advocating lawlessness or no Judgement rewards and nor was Desmond Ford.
SHOULD I BELIVE E.G. WHITE OR THE BIBLE? How Ellen G. White’s writings contradict the Bible. 1. Was the plan of salvation made before or after the fall? E.G. White says AFTER the fall (Great Controversy, p.347) The Bible says BEFORE (Ephesians 1:4:; 1 peter 1:18) Should I believe EGW or the Bible? 2. Was Adam deceived by Satan? E.G. White says YES (Evangelism, p. 589) The Bible says NOPE (1 Timothy 2:14) Should I believe EGW or the Bible? 3. Did pre-flood human beings mate with animals to produce amalgamated created creatures? E.G. White says YES (Spiritual Gifts Vol. 3,p 64 ) The Bible says NOPE (Genesis 1:24-25- Nowhere in the Bible is it indicated there was amalgamation of human beings and animals before the flood) Should I believe EGW or the Bible? 4. Was the tower of Babel built before or after the flood? E.G. White says BEFORE (Patriarchs and Prophets, p. 119) The Bible says AFTER (Genesis 11:4) Should I believe EGW or the Bible? 4. Who bears human's sins? E.G. White says SATAN (The Great Controversy, p. 422, 485-486) The Bible says JESUS (1 Peter 2:24) Should I believe EGW or the Bible? I have read so much of what EGW wrote and what others in the church and outside have written about her writings. She calls her writings "little light" that lead people to "greater light", the Bible. The truth is her writings are leading me away from the Bible. Should I believe the Bible or clear heresies of E.G. White?
#1 appears to be so. #2 i don't see that in ev 589. what's the specific quote? EDIT: in ev 598, this claim is correct. #3 is an argument from silence, a logical fallacy. #4.1 this is incorrect. PP119 clearly references the flood. #4.2 perhaps the answer is both; christ bore on our sins (GC 421.3, 1 Peter 2:24) and in the end, they're transferred to satan (GC 422.2).
Desmond Ford preached his heresies right up to his death. He had a tiny group of followers who stubbornly clung to Ford's lies. Ford was a god to them. I know because I had a run-in with some of his fanatical disciples.
Ford was most likely your last chance to repent. You failed to humble yourself and repent. Ford destroyed your asinine foundational doctrine of demons. Redeemed saints are not on probation sparky. Daughter of the devil Ellen White used the word “ probation” 1,500 times in her heretical writings which she stole from other heretics. The word “ probation” is not in Holy Writ. The concept of a Christian being on probation is antithetical to biblical truth. The horrendous concept from hell of redeemed saints being investigated to determine if they are worthy of heaven is antithetical to salvation by grace, justification by faith, and imputed righteousness by the complete and final atonement of Jesus. An atonement that Adventist dogs bark is still going on in a contaminated heaven which was polluted by the blood of Christ which He supposedly transferred into heaven, and will transfer to Satan who is the innocent scapegoat sin bearer for the demon cult Adventists. The smiling Bohr ( unfortunate terrible name and the little boy masquerading as a man has a terrible speaking voice) is going to eternal hell.
The leadership of the World Wide Church of God repented and denounced Herbert Armstrong as a heretic and his heresies as demonic. The leaders ordered almost the entire first printing of Cultic Doctrine written by ex Adventist pastor Dale Ratzlaff; a forth generation Adventist married to a fourth generation Adventist. Both families having many full time Adventist workers. The book destroys the horrendous Adventist heresies and blasphemies. Dale pleaded with many Adventist leaders and supposed scholars ( there are no Adventist scholars) to show him from scripture hoe to teach the foundational doctrine of Adventism from scripture but none could do it. The leaders encouraged him to be quiet and be an Adventist worker until retirement. Dale left the demonic cult to preach the gospel message. Adventist leaders admitted to him that they knew the doctrine was gross error and unbiblical, and that Ellen was not a true prophet. Adventists are not Christians. They are accusers of the brethren and disgusting judges who will spend eternity in hell.
If you want the actual truth Gillian Ford has written a book entitled The Road to Glacier View and a new 4 hour discussion with Australian S.D.A.Q.&A. You Tube channel producer Peter, a musician and former Adventist who interviews many ex Adventists and current Adventists. Bohr is a liar and a company man. He’s a paid whore for the Adventist business. He’s not going to tell you the truth.
It's sad you say that! DR. Ford pointed to Christ and Christ alone as our Righteousness...so sad so many judge without even hearing a brother so sad God have mercy
Dr Ford researched and preached all through the Bible. Don’t listen to those who “guess” he was heretical. His study on the Investigative Judgment and the Sanctuary are on point.
12:00 The gentleman is totally incorrect. Women, due to the curse in Genesis 3, will ALWAYS have an issue with subjecting themselves to their husband’s authority. Modern Feminism has exacerbated this problem. A wife who is not subjected to her husband’s authority is similarly not subject to God.
We are told that both Adam and Eve will be saved. When they get to heaven after Christ returns, they will weep when they learn that billions of their descendants lived lives of strife and pain, then will be eternally lost.
All I'm hearing from these Pastors, is talking about themselves. Show me where in the bible do they talks about this nonsense of 'Investigative Judgment', it is not biblical, it's an obvious LIE!
Jesus is our mediator he is the third person of the Godhead by his spirit because he is the Holy Spirit let us have more Bible study on the Trinity, which is which came into our church in 1983. We are becoming part of a Babylon. Jesus, have plainly say, come out of Babylon, my people. are you drunk with the wine of Babylo😂
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Without being rude Pastor Bohr is lying or obfuscating. Ford never taught "once saved always saved" nor did he ever remotely infer "your works or your behavior have nothing to do with salvation." Ford taught the gospel, "God gives with both hands, ie, justification and sanctification, and one "has to be saved to be good not good to be saved." These statements are not merely rhetorical ones or semantics. Sanctification follows justification. Every person has their own particular 'journey'. Your gospel borders on legalism. Read and understand Malachi 3:17.
The answer to the Desmond Ford question could not be further from the truth, not opinion, but truth. Des was NOT a Determinist, nor did he ever view obedience and sanctification as an optional program. He always taught salvation by faith, but with a faith that works, a genuine faith that is seen in obedience. If Jesus is in the Holy of Holies going through the record to see who is and who isn't saved' then that does in fact undermine assurance of our having (present tense) as seen in 1 John 5:13. Remember, nobody is worthy to enter heaven. For those who have exercised faith in Jesus' work on the cross are all sinners saved by grace. But we are saved none-the-less. We do not deserve to attend the marriage supper of the Lamb, be we are going.
You are confusing the heretical village idiots with biblical facts.
The Desmond Ford generation of ministers predominate today in our Church and so does his theology. There is constant theological clashing in Sabbath School classes because of these conflicting theologies. And pulpit messages most reflect his theology. Until we get bach to the sanctuary message motif of the plan of salvation we will be divided. Daniel 8:14 is the text that opened up the answer to the Great Disappointment and established our denomination as a distinctive people. May our Lord help us to be faithful to it.
Trueeeeeeee my sister
They stated their answers would be from the Word of God ( are they referring to the Bible) and then made statements that are not in the Bible. Bible does not say Adam and Eve were covered with light.
Adam and Eve were made in the image of God. Genesis 1:26.
God covers Himself with light. Psalm 104:2.
Etc. Etc.
Stop complaining, brother. You may hate the Spirit of Prophecy but not all of us do.
@@Dr.Pepper001 I love everyone, I expose error that contradicts what the Bible teaches.
@@mauricethomas7090 -- So you think that Ellen White taught error. Not just small errors, but major ones that can rob us of salvation. The Lord took great effort to establish Ellen White as His last day messenger. Her teachings expose a multitude of error being taught in the Christian world. So has He set you up as the corrector of heretics? Methinks you have a highly inflated opinion of your opinions.
@@Dr.Pepper001 who do you follow Jesus and his word (Bible) or egw?
Thank you for making all this all so clear and under standing 😇
I'm encouraged that Pastor CA added to his comment that God will do everything possible to see that we make it to Heaven, save (except) breaking His holy law. Most give the impression that God will say you are fit for Heaven when you are really not. God does not and will not lie. He is however the RIGHTEOUS JUDGE. His sentence will be FAIR. Praise God He has given us EVERYTHING we need to make sure of salvation including and especially the Holy Spirit's power and help.
Also, God weighs every person's life and takes into account all the circumstances that make us what we are.
@@Dr.Pepper001 True. He IS the Righteous Judge. Praise Him!
Christ is our Righteousness...Alone not any righteousness in us we are all filthy rags Thank God for Jesus....
God bless you all
The New Theology as it is called will continue to exist as long as our theological instutions continue to exist in their current state. They influence both the pastors and church members who attend those institutions as they are generally the influencers in the churches. And the writers of the worldwide Sabbath School Bible Study Guides and books such as I Used to Be Perfect in which the author sneers at victory over sin and such things as Last Generation Theology. Much prayer is needed for our Corporate repentance. May our Kind Heavenly Father help us!
What a superb summary. Sad, but true...
Amen,God bless
Wonderful
Amen God is a fear God,praise His name ❤
I think this person meant that God is a fair God.
That is exactly what Dr. Ford taught not to fear God Christ our Righteousness... not we, we have filthy rags no good anything read the Bible please
I am SDA why we say something was covering them when the Bible tells us their eyes were opened.
Dr. Ford taught that also to walk with Jesus!!! Not once saved always saved! Oh my young brother dont judge what you have not listened to🙏🙏🙏🙏
Believe the Word of God
a good word to describe our position : are we exonerated or guilty before a holy God.
Why dont you guys stop talking garbage, thete's no investigating judgement every one who come to Christ as Saviour have been judge in Christ on the cross of calvary.
Have you forgotton God is an all knowing God,ever presence so sir dont presen a God who is not on par with His creation.
Amen, Praise God you all :)
No Brother Bore the people who dont believe and go to judgement is because they must accept the gift of free Salvation! And He offers to all
Thank you for answering the question about Desmond Ford. It was my question, too!
Any time! God bless!
@@secretsunsealed First of all the great controversy, the paradise lost remix. Is false doctrine. No where in the Scripture does God character needs to vindicated.
This was a terrible answer sort like Vegas magician show the Slight of Hand. Daniel 8:14, The Day of Atonement, and the Investigative Judgment by Desmond Ford was through bible study there is No way you can get 1844 from Daniel 8:14 and the bible does not teach a year date principle.
Shelly listen for yourself sister in Christ! I'm sure when you do you will get an honest answer God bless you 🙏💞
The answer here was not true! Watch. listen, and above all read your Bible and pray for Gods Holy Spirit! Then and only then you can know what our Father thinks about us all God bless 🙏🙏🙏💞
Jesus words you shall not judge... thank God we have a Perfect ABBA! 😊
Pastors please be honest and review his claims.. by addressing Hebrews. This is actually really sad.
From Hohenwald, TENNESSEE
The Father & His Son are on trial, which puts all on trial who follow after Them. With this world, is to show that God’s Words are all true, and none of them can be broken-Characteristics for the keeping of full joy, great peace, and uncompromising order; and that THEY do have a people that love THEM, and They have always loved THEIR creation and had our best interest in mind, from the very beginning. Alleluia❣️❣️❣️
How can the created put the creator on trial
@@henryhondo8421
Satan has put our Creator on trial, because of the devil’s false accusations against God, our Creator. Satan is allowed, for a short time (Revelation 12:12; Psalm 90:4; 2Peter 3:8) to show his side of the story. Jesus died to save us all, and to defend His honor. Matthew 3:17; Matthew 17:5; John 8:29, 6:39, 17:12,18:9). There is only one way to keep an orderly universe. That is through the Way, the Truth, and the Life. See John 14:6.
“Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince (satan) of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.”
John 14:30.
“These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.” John 16:33.
1 John 4:4-6 “Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.”
@@henryhondo8421
I’d like to add: Have you ever seen “48 Hours” real life crimes?
That’s the devil’s doing in those presentations, doing all his dirty work all the while people are blaming God for allowing it to happen. You’ve heard the talk, I’m sure! I’ve seen several episodes of 48 hours, and there was only one episode where a woman actually prayed to her Savior, and she was delivered. God delivers us everyday, anyway, but she was the only one who prayed to God for help.
James 4:2-3 “You desire but do not have, so you kill. You covet but you cannot get what you want, so you quarrel and fight. You do not have because you do not ask God. 3 When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures.”
Matthew 7:11-12 “If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him? Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.”
The devil isn’t the lest bit interested in how he can please God. He’s a demon all the way…there is no sympathy for the devil from Gods people. Those who love the devil will do his bidding and blame God.
Jesus speaks of the devil in John 8:44
“Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”
So many People live their lives without giving Jesus Christ, even a second thought.
Luke 17:11-19 “And it came to pass, as he went to Jerusalem, that he passed through the midst of Samaria and Galilee.
And as he entered into a certain village, there met him ten men that were lepers, which stood afar off:
And they lifted up their voices, and said, Jesus, Master, have mercy on us.
And when he saw them, he said unto them, Go shew yourselves unto the priests. And it came to pass, that, as they went, they were cleansed.
And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God,
And fell down on his face at his feet, giving him thanks: and he was a Samaritan.
And Jesus answering said, Were there not ten cleansed? but where are the nine?
There are not found that returned to give glory to God, save this stranger.
And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole.”
Gods Character is Not on Trial at all anymore! Our Saviour Said ( It is Finished) the Salvation of His Children and The Lie satan told on our Precious Creator it is Accomplished 💞💞🙏
@@CEBGRACE
That’s true. But all hasn’t been finished, yet. The part where Jesus died for us so we could go on living, and come to know Him, and serve Him without being in bondage to the devil. We still have the rest of Daniel and Revelation to go… it’s not completely finished until the thousand years are over, and all the wicked are (permanently) perished.
In case you haven’t noticed, there’s a lot of people who haven’t been convinced that God is innocent? So, I probably should’ve said, the Creator’s present day people are on trial- the true worshipers of God, the faithful who are written in the book of life, to stay. 😊
It seems to me problem is the great deceptiveness of who Satan is to break down by deception allegiance to God. The question is not solidly anchored in the biblical record and so the detractors of this account are looking for an issue that has not the mention or anchor of the Bible record. So, it is a blessing to have the advantage of help form the spirit of prophesy that has been given to us to fill in what is not fully biblical in nature. That is not an issue of salvation, that is a simple interest point that is not critical. Detractors though want to use it such.
The reason why the SDA is called cult is because of answering the question from the Bible they instead read from a book.
The Bible does not mentioned "light as covering " of Adam and Eve before they commit sin. The Bible also does says that the moment Adam and Eve died after they ate the forbidden fruit.
Which one do you want to believe: the Bible or the mere opinion of your book?
The heresies of E.G. White are uncountable!
Call it what you will, The truth is still the truth weather you believe it or not .
Desmond Ford saw that the Investigative Judgement was a slap in the face to Jesus’ finished work on the cross, in fully atoning for the sins of those who ask for His mercy. When Jesus said, “It is finished”, He didn’t mean, “There, I bought you some time; you’re on ‘parole’ now until we can take a closer look later.” It is a damnable doctrine.
His death on the cross was _complete_ but it won't be _completed_ until the sanctuary is finally cleansed and our sins are placed upon Satan.
@@Dr.Pepper001 Chapter and verse, please.
Study the sanctuary properly do we understand the work of christ
@@MiChelle-rb4dd Chapter and verse, please.
@@MiChelle-rb4dd The “Investigative Judgement” is one of the 3 central pillars of the SDA church, yet you cannot give me 1 verse to support it.
The Investigative Judgement is a false doctrine which negates Jesus’ finished work on the cross. It is a damnable doctrine. “But though we, or an Angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we preached unto you, let him be accursed.” (Gal 1:8)
Lets be sincere elders (1)rejection of the most precious message of justification by faith 1888 brought us to 1956,57;our compromised of central doctrine then was made manifest in 1976---- ;and now where are we?? Isa63:10;and isa60:2; however God's (church) not (organisation)will and are expriencing isa60:1---which is rev18:1---4
Regarding Desmond Ford: In my opinion, introducing doubt in the Pillars of Belief goes back to Gen. 3:4 "ye shall not surely die." The damage he did was preceded by the entire "go along to get along" philosophy that spawned "Seventh-day Adventists Answer Questions on Doctrine."
Listen before opinions
How sad to conclude the way u all did: Adam was not decieved but the woman was how does your answer support this truth??
What a misrepresentation of Ford's issue with the churches understands of the judgment. If you want to discuss this issue you should study his arguments. Besides the sda church has changed its v new of the investigative judgment. This needs to be understood before you critique Des.
The Judgement of works has nothing to do with their salvation .
The Testimony of Jesus Christ says this: Jesus, in union with the saints, meted out to the wicked the portion they must suffer, according to their works; and it was written in the book of death. 1SG 212.2 Yes, we may ask why one of our loved ones isn’t there but the judgment of the wicked is a punitive one where Jesus and the saints decide how long a person will suffer in the lake of fire. I don’t understand why current SDA pastors don’t study this and speak the straight testimony! This was common belief prior to the 1980s. Also, Ford misquoted a quote from the Testimony of Jesus (aka The Spirit of Prophecy) leaving off a pertinent word that if read in it’s entirety would have proven the opposite of what he claimed. I’ve heard a student of his speak in recent years and this person’s doctrine was so off base, I had to leave the service.
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Disappointed thought you would answer the question from Gods word . Not from some woman that lied about just about everything
Hence women (ordination)how decieved
Is ew infallable?? To say that Adam saw Eve with the fruit and conclude that she is inosence could mean the Adam was decieved.
My brothers in Christ I have heard the teachings of Dr. Ford and your answer is wrong about what he teaches and believed!!! U have falsely accused a brother You might need to listen in8 of judge his teachings! 🙏🙏🙏💞
No one is questioning that there will be a judgement day. Your problem is that you keep defending the 1844 claim, and Jesus currently has to individually receive daily progress reports of each persons' act of sins vs repentance ratio and his requiring of the manual weighing of these occurences, and most importantly denying the full atonement having taken place at the cross..... that's the critique.. unless you abondan Ellen as your ultimate final court of appeal.. you all will remain cult, unfortunately for you all...
23:58 those who did go, also should not have gone by their own merit, but they have trusted in Jesus’ merit, so they ended up there.
Maranatha!
Question? What is the Word of God?
The word of God in this case is the bible. Although in Gospel according to John chapter 1 verse 1 it says: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The Same was in the beginning with God .
3 All things were made by Him ; and without Him was not anything made that was made .
4 In Him was life ; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
@@JamieElison I have been to SDA church but I have been going to non denominational church on Sunday although I do think the pre tribulation or secret rapture is biblical . Thankfully they don't preach on it much.
Don't is what I meant.
@@JamieElison whenever someone says you're not catching it or you don't see it is a red flag for me . Maybe you are the one who has been deceived . I have been looking into the founders or as they are referred to as giants of the charismatic movements and their fruits do not look good, I've been around a long time back when prosperity gospel started when Calvary chapel branched off from four square.
I eat the fruit and spit out the pits sometimes there are more pits than fruit. I do know that the pre tribulation rapture doctrine is new and false yet most evangelical Zionist churches have bought into it , I don't go so far as calling them satanic but the doctrine is in error. As far as Jesus being in the Holy of holies right now I'm still studying that.
But this worshipping of Israel because it became a state is definitely not biblical, and there are a lot of Christians in these last days who are drawn to what their itching ears want to hear 🙉
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv yes there is a rapture on the last day, there is no more time after that . I agree .
I like to vacuum too CA 😅
I like to wash dishes.
Tares are people claim to believe in Jesus Christ only to find out they believe in the false Doctrines of the Devil. No True Believer in Christ (Wheat) Grows to become tare despite any weakness found in our flesh. And there are no tares that grow to become wheat. Matthew 7v21-23.
The statement 'I never knew you', simply tells us that no matter how many times to have attended church and prayed it does not make you a believer in Christ.
Those who have the seed of God in them can never be corrupted.
When you read Colossians 3, The bible says our lives are hidden in Christ at the Right hand of God. When He appears(On his 2nd Coming), we shall be Like Him. I don't know if you think it's anything we have done here on Earth that shall make us to be like Him or It's the Faith we have professed to him the day we heard the Gospel. When we heard the gospel and believed, His image was restored in us. John3v16 And we were restored unto eternity, the hand of satan cannot reach us
If we can have a heart to understand this👆
If this is Gods “end time-present truth-remnant church” how come nobody knows what it is?
Is that the god you worship?
The God we Believers worship has can and will get His message out.
You can bet your life on that.
@jimijames7703 If you believe nothing the SDA teaches why do you troll every site we have? Go away and find something to do with your time before you fall under judgement of the Holy God. You are accomplishing nothing but bringing judgement upon yourself.
@@mikemaple4400 lol SDA God is fake, he has a false prophetess. She is dead and will burn in Hell, you will too if you don't turn.
I thought you said you would prove all through the word of God? Then you immediately quote satan and his prophetess?
The very ones that appear at the wedding feast without Christ's righteousness clothing them, are the ones trying earn their own salvation. John 5:24 shows that the true Christian who believes on Jesus sacrifice "does not come into condemnation". Judgement needn't be by works, but faith or no faith. John 3:18. I am not advocating lawlessness or no Judgement rewards and nor was Desmond Ford.
egw wrote that if adam would have been faithful, God would have made a new Wife for him.
Pastor Bore😢 we are saved by Gracw and Grace. Alone or have you not heard
SHOULD I BELIVE E.G. WHITE OR THE BIBLE?
How Ellen G. White’s writings contradict the Bible.
1. Was the plan of salvation made before or after the fall?
E.G. White says AFTER the fall (Great Controversy, p.347)
The Bible says BEFORE (Ephesians 1:4:; 1 peter 1:18)
Should I believe EGW or the Bible?
2. Was Adam deceived by Satan?
E.G. White says YES (Evangelism, p. 589)
The Bible says NOPE (1 Timothy 2:14)
Should I believe EGW or the Bible?
3. Did pre-flood human beings mate with animals to produce amalgamated created creatures?
E.G. White says YES (Spiritual Gifts Vol. 3,p 64 )
The Bible says NOPE (Genesis 1:24-25- Nowhere in the Bible is it indicated there was amalgamation of human beings and animals before the flood)
Should I believe EGW or the Bible?
4. Was the tower of Babel built before or after the flood?
E.G. White says BEFORE (Patriarchs and Prophets, p. 119)
The Bible says AFTER (Genesis 11:4)
Should I believe EGW or the Bible?
4. Who bears human's sins?
E.G. White says SATAN (The Great Controversy, p. 422, 485-486)
The Bible says JESUS (1 Peter 2:24)
Should I believe EGW or the Bible?
I have read so much of what EGW wrote and what others in the church and outside have written about her writings. She calls her writings "little light" that lead people to "greater light", the Bible. The truth is her writings are leading me away from the Bible. Should I believe the Bible or clear heresies of E.G. White?
#1 appears to be so.
#2 i don't see that in ev 589. what's the specific quote? EDIT: in ev 598, this claim is correct.
#3 is an argument from silence, a logical fallacy.
#4.1 this is incorrect. PP119 clearly references the flood.
#4.2 perhaps the answer is both; christ bore on our sins (GC 421.3, 1 Peter 2:24) and in the end, they're transferred to satan (GC 422.2).
@@ronaldchong look at 598
Desmond Ford preached his heresies right up to his death. He had a tiny group of followers who stubbornly clung to Ford's lies. Ford was a god to them. I know because I had a run-in with some of his fanatical disciples.
Ford was most likely your last chance to repent. You failed to humble yourself and repent. Ford destroyed your asinine foundational doctrine of demons. Redeemed saints are not on probation sparky. Daughter of the devil Ellen White used the word “ probation” 1,500 times in her heretical writings which she stole from other heretics. The word “ probation” is not in Holy Writ. The concept of a Christian being on probation is antithetical to biblical truth. The horrendous concept from hell of redeemed saints being investigated to determine if they are worthy of heaven is antithetical to salvation by grace, justification by faith, and imputed righteousness by the complete and final atonement of Jesus. An atonement that Adventist dogs bark is still going on in a contaminated heaven which was polluted by the blood of Christ which He supposedly transferred into heaven, and will transfer to Satan who is the innocent scapegoat sin bearer for the demon cult Adventists. The smiling Bohr ( unfortunate terrible name and the little boy masquerading as a man has a terrible speaking voice) is going to eternal hell.
The leadership of the World Wide Church of God repented and denounced Herbert Armstrong as a heretic and his heresies as demonic. The leaders ordered almost the entire first printing of Cultic Doctrine written by ex Adventist pastor Dale Ratzlaff; a forth generation Adventist married to a fourth generation Adventist. Both families having many full time Adventist workers. The book destroys the horrendous Adventist heresies and blasphemies. Dale pleaded with many Adventist leaders and supposed scholars ( there are no Adventist scholars) to show him from scripture hoe to teach the foundational doctrine of Adventism from scripture but none could do it. The leaders encouraged him to be quiet and be an Adventist worker until retirement. Dale left the demonic cult to preach the gospel message. Adventist leaders admitted to him that they knew the doctrine was gross error and unbiblical, and that Ellen was not a true prophet. Adventists are not Christians. They are accusers of the brethren and disgusting judges who will spend eternity in hell.
If you want the actual truth Gillian Ford has written a book entitled The Road to Glacier View and a new 4 hour discussion with Australian S.D.A.Q.&A. You Tube channel producer Peter, a musician and former Adventist who interviews many ex Adventists and current Adventists. Bohr is a liar and a company man. He’s a paid whore for the Adventist business. He’s not going to tell you the truth.
It's sad you say that! DR. Ford pointed to Christ and Christ alone as our Righteousness...so sad so many judge without even hearing a brother so sad God have mercy
Dr Ford researched and preached all through the Bible. Don’t listen to those who “guess” he was heretical. His study on the Investigative Judgment and the Sanctuary are on point.
12:00 The gentleman is totally incorrect. Women, due to the curse in Genesis 3, will ALWAYS have an issue with subjecting themselves to their husband’s authority. Modern Feminism has exacerbated this problem. A wife who is not subjected to her husband’s authority is similarly not subject to God.
😂 and a husband must love his wife as Christ loves the church double edge so sad🙏🙏🙏💞
We are told that both Adam and Eve will be saved. When they get to heaven after Christ returns, they will weep when they learn that billions of their descendants lived lives of strife and pain, then will be eternally lost.
Scripture so I can see it.
@@mauricethomas7090 -- What's the point? You'll want to argue regardless.
All I'm hearing from these Pastors, is talking about themselves. Show me where in the bible do they talks about this nonsense of 'Investigative Judgment', it is not biblical, it's an obvious LIE!
Jesus is our mediator he is the third person of the Godhead by his spirit because he is the Holy Spirit let us have more Bible study on the Trinity, which is which came into our church in 1983. We are becoming part of a Babylon. Jesus, have plainly say, come out of Babylon, my people. are you drunk with the wine of Babylo😂