I like the Overseas WAAAAY more than PP and AP steel sports offerings.... I was in the VC Boutique in December in Zurich.....they offered the Overseas in 38 pieces with whitish-silver dial with a medium blue outer ring on the dial...(Zurich flag colors)....gorgeous! Thanks Tim!
For a smaller wrist, Royal oak comes in 37mm with same finishing and quality. No such option from overseas or I would consider it. I also have a 16cm wrist and the overseas’ rigid bracelet outcropping overhangs my wrist when I try it on, as it does yours. I’ve tried to want it many times (especially dual time) but it’s just too big for me.
Tim, the thing you didn’t mention in your review is that the movement of the AP is clearly undersized for the size of the watch. Although the market values the AP more, I think the VC has more investment by the company in the watch.
The price might have something to do with it. Fantastic looking watch. Modern with modern features. It is selling well enough, as this is on pace as the highest selling overseas ever. They have sold more in almost three years than they sold in the last ten.
Owned both the AP 15400 and a 2nd Gen VC 49150 at the same time. I can tell you the AP is the ultimate scratch magnet, no matter how careful you are, 6 months on the wrist and it will look tired. The VC is a far more durable . That said, I’m flipping my Rolex,s and buying a blue dial AP chrono and a VC 4500 black dial. They are both outstanding watches and I couldn’t decide which is better. Thanks Tim for another great comparison vid👍🏼
Great comparison, as always Tim. I’ve had a soft spot for the VC since it was released. One thing I couldn’t help but notice, in all your videos on the new Overseas there has never been any mention of its 2-4mm micro-adjustment. Any reason to not mention this extremely useful feature?
VC’s lineup shows elegant refined grace with modern twist on classic designs. I hope to own a VC OS, Quai, or harmony one day. AP is kind of a one hit wonder, relying on its RO success.
The problem with the VC is that apart from its great blue finish, the dial is just a very plain non-distinct design. I’d still go with the RO. Still I love the VC bracelet’s look and easy interchangeability with those supplied alternative straps.
Both look really fantastic, and both have their elements that I really like and others that I dislike. but if I had to choose one from both to take (not looking on price and availability) I will take the Royal Oak, but if I am buying right now I would be buying a second hand Overseas.
I own the AP Royal Oak 15400ST with the silver dial. One of the last ones ever produced before the new 15500 series was introduced without the silver dial option. The only complaint I have with it is the bracelet. No extension link for when your wrist swells. Other than that it is the perfect watch. Keeps time to within 3 seconds a week. Love watching your videos Tim!!
Tim, you really need to stop making videos of the new VC Overseas. Having had this watch on my wrist at an AD, I can say it is exquisite and frankly would be a terrific “one watch” with the versatility it offers.
I would have the VC every day of the week I have seen the watch and the dial is just phenomenal and I have never seen any better blue dial, pictures don't do it justice it has to be seen in the flesh it's mesmerising, I can't say anymore than that!
I recently purchased the Overseas and i love it..i was in the market for a Blue dialed Sky dweller but as we all know they are like unicorns ! Together with vastly inflated second hand prices. I decided to look at the VC and i was blown away...i walked out of the store with the piece without no 2yr wait, i got a sizeable discount from the RRP and also some VC goodies thrown in....i encourage others to give the VC experience a go....
@@jannbhatti653 Wow that is a 15% discount!!! I can take a flight to UK, buy at that price and still save money rather than buying at the pathetic discount of 3% here :D I also see online retailers on Chrono24 with great discounts.
Here is a crazy idea, since the bracelet tapers it's not like you will dimension with the first links, but all the links have screws because it is easier to polish that maltese cross when you take it to have it serviced.
Face off with a overhyped PP. compare with the VC overseas, the Nautilus looks like a Teletubby from the 80s, I guess that’s where Gérald Genta get his design clue after he fixed for AP
I love that Overseas! Now, that said, the word “Overseas” implies that it’s a traveler’s watch and the most convenient complication on a traveler’s watch is a GMT with rapid adjust 12-hour hand. I think that’s what they should do and they could place the 24-hour indices on the outer dial ring where they currently place the sub-minute indices as sub-minute indices are unnecessary on a non-chronograph. Especially when those said sub-minute indices frequently don’t match the frequency of the movement anyways.
JumboJetPilot There is a dual time version of the Overseas, released in 2018, which does feature a quick set hour hand. The Overseas also launched in 2016 with a World-timer along side the three hand and chronograph. I definitely prefer the dual-time though, because it’s about 2mm thicker, but otherwise identical, to this 41mm three hand.
Anyone who has owned both will soon realise the AP is not a practical watch in the slightest.. it has to be the ultimate scratch magnet, and those sharp edges just love the dings!
My feeling, based on my experience trying on watches, is Tim over estimates how small of a wrist can wear a large watch with good proportion. I have a 18cm wrist and I feel this VC is too big for me. I wouldn't want to go much above 50cm end link-to-end link on my 18cm wrist. lol @ "if I had to guess at the fabrication".
Mark S He tends to refer to the absolute minimum wrist size the watch can be worn securely, because a watch too big can slide up and down the arm, or even off the hand, if it’s too small. Also, some people still like the look off a large watch, and his recommendations tend to factor that in. So you’re right that if you have a preference for smaller watches, you definitely need to add at least 2-3cm onto his recommendation. That said, as someone with a 20cm wrist that could pull off an IWC Big Pilot, I tend to worry if it’s too small, rather than too big.
for me the top of the Holy Trinity has always been VC.. while the Royal Oak goes back to 1972, and the VC (arguably to 1976 but most say 1992).. the company Vacheron Constantin has been in continuous business since 1755! They are truly the "Father" position of the Holy Trinity.
when placed side by side, it's a little crazy how much nicer the VC is. Not that I'd turn down an AP or anything. I've always been a Gerald Genta fan, but IMO this is a case of a watch surpassing it's inspiration.
Sitting on the fence here, I like both. This is really a three way with the Patek Nautilus as well. AP is the more iconic design, but the VC is probably better value on pre owned sale. Very few reading this will be buying brand new from an AD. Very few will be buying preowned. Good luck to anyone in the position to choose. A good dilema to have.
Hi Tim, I have a question concerning the Overseas. You said in this video that from end link to end link the measurement is 57.6 mm. But in your other 2 Overseas videos you said the end link to end link is 55.3 mm and 56.5 mm. That's a big difference. Could you please double-check and let me know which of the three measurements is correct? Thanks ;-) I love your channel. Keep up the great work! T-
I just bought one after selling my 5711/1A after 9 years . My AD automatically offered me 5 years upgrade ... I don't think there's much to worry about . Any issues will become apparent within 2 years
Really hard to choose between these 2 as I love both. Probably the AP, as it's a better investment, although the VC is much more affordable used, and by far the most affordable Holy Trinity watch in this class..
Love both, had both ( but the chrono version for the vc) Great review as usual Tim 👍 I still have the 15400, the tapisserie dial, the octagonal shape and the bracelet are just perfection 👌
One thing that does go against VC is that it's now part of the Richmont Group, whereas AP is an "independent" and therefore there is that element which takes away some the allure from VC
I own both the blue 15400 and the brown dial Overseas and they’re equally beautiful. They may seem similar in form but once you analyze it down to the small details, they’re very much different and don’t overlap in my collection . IMO, the brown dial is the nicest followed by the blue then the black. You should see it in person since photos don’t really do the brown dial justice.
I guess it depends on your personal style, but I could never see a brown dial watch fitting in with my wardrobe. I wear a lot of grey/blue/black so it would have to be blue or black dial for me.
AP for me but glad to see all the upgrades and refinements to the VC, especially that movement! My blue dial 14790 is one of my most cherished watches.
IMO AP's brand is diminished by all the movie stars, rock stars, athletes, etc. who are tripping over each other to wear one. The VC on the other hand... most people won't know what they're looking at. That's why I love it.
I don’t know what he’s talking about. The VC bracelet blows away the AP. It’s like he’s looking at a different watch than I am....but I’ll take the quick release, three-bracelets in one watch design over the AP. Nevermind the added water resistance! And he thinks the AP is the truer “sports” watch??!! Ha! Ha! Ha! Whatever....pretty lame assessment.
@@patrickbateman529 Agreed. I love the AP bracelet so much, too... and I love the Royal Oak! But Vacheron has taken it to a whole new lever with the solid 18K rose gold 4500V/110a Overseas and the matching chronometer. Just absolutely incredible piece with so many options all-in-one, it’s pure genius!!! I’ve got to get my hands on one!!! Ha! Ha! Ha!
RE: the VC "innovative engineering features like quick release lugs and display casebacks"...there is some ingenuity with quick release lugs but also questions about their security...but a display caseback being called "innovative engineering"? PP & AP have been doing that for years. VC makes a new movement but with antique technology: no hacking, no silicon, no full bridge, no free-sprung balance...it's barely an upgrade over the previous Frederic Piguet (I think it was?). I'll take the AP but 50m water resistant and the tacky AUTOMATIC branding (thank you for pointing that out) make this a tough choice.
Jaeger LeCoultre made movements for VC , Patek and many other brands. The third generation is definitely an in house movement. VC has history, however, I believe they have fallen behind a bit. JLC should be in the holy trinity. The overseas doesn’t have an anti-reflective crystal, a must at this price point. An expensive watch in steel, not in a precious metal. I’m considering the overseas, although, very pricey for other options that should also be considered. I love the blue dial for the VC, my blue Submariner dial is stunning with the ceramic bezel, tough to beat.
Boiskk O royal oak is king, or nautilus. This is the more modern of the 3, but most wont recognize it. I found out about the existence of this many years after knowing of the nautilus and royal oak. And most celebs also wear AP not the overseas
The biggest problem for AP is that it looks cheap, and that it made bya blind designer. I have never seen such an ugly watch, with no a design balance. ill go for the vc
I like the Overseas WAAAAY more than PP and AP steel sports offerings....
I was in the VC Boutique in December in Zurich.....they offered the Overseas in 38 pieces with whitish-silver dial with a medium blue outer ring on the dial...(Zurich flag colors)....gorgeous!
Thanks Tim!
Nice, did you get it?
Brain says Royal Oak.
Heart says Overseas.
Wallet says Submariner No Date. ( ._.)
Arcuz lol - you went all the way down to a sub? 🤣🤣 sad Wallet
wallet says, seiko :(
@@LGTeGeTeGe wallet says look what you can find in the trash can....;(
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
For a smaller wrist, Royal oak comes in 37mm with same finishing and quality. No such option from overseas or I would consider it. I also have a 16cm wrist and the overseas’ rigid bracelet outcropping overhangs my wrist when I try it on, as it does yours. I’ve tried to want it many times (especially dual time) but it’s just too big for me.
Tim, the thing you didn’t mention in your review is that the movement of the AP is clearly undersized for the size of the watch. Although the market values the AP more, I think the VC has more investment by the company in the watch.
I don’t understand why the overseas isn’t a big seller. I guess VC isn’t as well known as it used to be.
it is a beautiful watch but it somehow looks like it could have belonged to my grandpa while the AP is more modern and youthful.
even better
probably bc VC isn't used in rap music nor hashtagged often on Insta
The price might have something to do with it. Fantastic looking watch. Modern with modern features. It is selling well enough, as this is on pace as the highest selling overseas ever. They have sold more in almost three years than they sold in the last ten.
@@Alaster488 loool sadly yeah. I bet you if the migos or drake or someone like that namedropped it, it would blow up.
Owned both the AP 15400 and a 2nd Gen VC 49150 at the same time. I can tell you the AP is the ultimate scratch magnet, no matter how careful you are, 6 months on the wrist and it will look tired. The VC is a far more durable . That said, I’m flipping my Rolex,s and buying a blue dial AP chrono and a VC 4500 black dial. They are both outstanding watches and I couldn’t decide which is better. Thanks Tim for another great comparison vid👍🏼
Thank you. Couldn't wait to dump my 15400 for that reason. It always sat under a shirt sleeve. If I went short sleeves, it stayed in a winder.
And I second that… my 15400st got so scratched in just 6 months it got me very disappointed. I also got tired of the oldies design
Great comparison, as always Tim. I’ve had a soft spot for the VC since it was released.
One thing I couldn’t help but notice, in all your videos on the new Overseas there has never been any mention of its 2-4mm micro-adjustment. Any reason to not mention this extremely useful feature?
The Overseas does it for me, if I were a one watch collection kind of guy (I'm not...unfortunately) this would be a top contender.
I think 2 luxury watches is the most a person can justify...that way you still have a nice timepiece to wear while the other is being serviced.
@@BenTramer God I wish that were true!
OS all day long
SURPRISED!
Just need expand the ultra thin line
VC’s lineup shows elegant refined grace with modern twist on classic designs. I hope to own a VC OS, Quai, or harmony one day. AP is kind of a one hit wonder, relying on its RO success.
OS looks like an Oris
The problem with the VC is that apart from its great blue finish, the dial is just a very plain non-distinct design. I’d still go with the RO. Still I love the VC bracelet’s look and easy interchangeability with those supplied alternative straps.
@@theterriblepuddle1830 agreed.. in person it has a depth and shine I've never seen before
Both look really fantastic, and both have their elements that I really like and others that I dislike.
but if I had to choose one from both to take (not looking on price and availability) I will take the Royal Oak, but if I am buying right now I would be buying a second hand Overseas.
I own the AP Royal Oak 15400ST with the silver dial. One of the last ones ever produced before the new 15500 series was introduced without the silver dial option. The only complaint I have with it is the bracelet. No extension link for when your wrist swells. Other than that it is the perfect watch. Keeps time to within 3 seconds a week. Love watching your videos Tim!!
Tim, you really need to stop making videos of the new VC Overseas. Having had this watch on my wrist at an AD, I can say it is exquisite and frankly would be a terrific “one watch” with the versatility it offers.
I would have the VC every day of the week I have seen the watch and the dial is just phenomenal and I have never seen any better blue dial, pictures don't do it justice it has to be seen in the flesh it's mesmerising, I can't say anymore than that!
Good review but one often overlooked feature of the VCO bracelet is the micro adjustments by the clasp.
Have experienced both and the VC is next level in build and fit around the wrist
Hello Tim. VC Overseas for me!
I recently purchased the Overseas and i love it..i was in the market for a Blue dialed Sky dweller but as we all know they are like unicorns ! Together with vastly inflated second hand prices. I decided to look at the VC and i was blown away...i walked out of the store with the piece without no 2yr wait, i got a sizeable discount from the RRP and also some VC goodies thrown in....i encourage others to give the VC experience a go....
Jann Bhatti the Sky Dweller is a different watch but I understand the logic . Good choice
How much discount did the VC boutique give you? Over here in Singapore they are only willing to give 3%...
@@andrewtlk The RRP here in the UK was £17,500, i paid £14,750, percentages aren't my forte...
@@jannbhatti653 Wow that is a 15% discount!!! I can take a flight to UK, buy at that price and still save money rather than buying at the pathetic discount of 3% here :D I also see online retailers on Chrono24 with great discounts.
@@andrewtlk You can get more with the dealers than going to the Singapore VC botique
VC no question. It’s not even close for me personally.
Here is a crazy idea, since the bracelet tapers it's not like you will dimension with the first links, but all the links have screws because it is easier to polish that maltese cross when you take it to have it serviced.
Face off with a overhyped PP. compare with the VC overseas, the Nautilus looks like a Teletubby from the 80s, I guess that’s where Gérald Genta get his design clue after he fixed for AP
I own the 2nd gen VC Overseas, it is a better feeling watch than the PPN and APRO. The 3rd gen is nice as well. More resistant to scratches as well.
The heart says VC Overseas!
The VC is a million times better looking than the AP
VC is so generic looking.
AP all.day.
Love both watches in different aspects but considering my small wrist (6.3inch), AP 15450 blue dial is the one I got and I absolutely love it.
I love that Overseas! Now, that said, the word “Overseas” implies that it’s a traveler’s watch and the most convenient complication on a traveler’s watch is a GMT with rapid adjust 12-hour hand. I think that’s what they should do and they could place the 24-hour indices on the outer dial ring where they currently place the sub-minute indices as sub-minute indices are unnecessary on a non-chronograph. Especially when those said sub-minute indices frequently don’t match the frequency of the movement anyways.
JumboJetPilot There is a dual time version of the Overseas, released in 2018, which does feature a quick set hour hand. The Overseas also launched in 2016 with a World-timer along side the three hand and chronograph.
I definitely prefer the dual-time though, because it’s about 2mm thicker, but otherwise identical, to this 41mm three hand.
Anyone who has owned both will soon realise the AP is not a practical watch in the slightest.. it has to be the ultimate scratch magnet, and those sharp edges just love the dings!
Exactly. Very disappointing watch…
My feeling, based on my experience trying on watches, is Tim over estimates how small of a wrist can wear a large watch with good proportion. I have a 18cm wrist and I feel this VC is too big for me. I wouldn't want to go much above 50cm end link-to-end link on my 18cm wrist.
lol @ "if I had to guess at the fabrication".
Mark S He tends to refer to the absolute minimum wrist size the watch can be worn securely, because a watch too big can slide up and down the arm, or even off the hand, if it’s too small. Also, some people still like the look off a large watch, and his recommendations tend to factor that in.
So you’re right that if you have a preference for smaller watches, you definitely need to add at least 2-3cm onto his recommendation.
That said, as someone with a 20cm wrist that could pull off an IWC Big Pilot, I tend to worry if it’s too small, rather than too big.
I agree. If you had a 14cm wrist, you would look like a clown with this watch, although 18 or 18.5 might be alright.
Great commentary, gentlemen ! The V-C Overseas is just knockout.
for me the top of the Holy Trinity has always been VC.. while the Royal Oak goes back to 1972, and the VC (arguably to 1976 but most say 1992).. the company Vacheron Constantin has been in continuous business since 1755! They are truly the "Father" position of the Holy Trinity.
when placed side by side, it's a little crazy how much nicer the VC is. Not that I'd turn down an AP or anything. I've always been a Gerald Genta fan, but IMO this is a case of a watch surpassing it's inspiration.
This comparison needs an update with all new 15500 st.
The VC Overseas is the real deal. The Royal Oak had its run.
Sitting on the fence here, I like both. This is really a three way with the Patek Nautilus as well.
AP is the more iconic design, but the VC is probably better value on pre owned sale.
Very few reading this will be buying brand new from an AD.
Very few will be buying preowned.
Good luck to anyone in the position to choose. A good dilema to have.
Just saw this. Thank you for this great review. Now its harder to choose. So I decided to go for both 😎.
Hi Tim,
I have a question concerning the Overseas. You said in this video that from end link to end link the measurement is 57.6 mm. But in your other 2 Overseas videos you said the end link to end link is 55.3 mm and 56.5 mm. That's a big difference. Could you please double-check and let me know which of the three measurements is correct? Thanks ;-)
I love your channel. Keep up the great work!
T-
Ive been seriously thinking of purchasing a VC overseas, Love the style the best but not happy about non hacking seconds and only a two year warranty.
I just bought one after selling my 5711/1A after 9 years . My AD automatically offered me 5 years upgrade ... I don't think there's much to worry about . Any issues will become apparent within 2 years
Who need hacking. Any watch will go wrong a cuple secands a day
I have this overseas and use to wear it all the time. However, the 5712 took its place . Nice video Tim.
Humble brag
Really hard to choose between these 2 as I love both. Probably the AP, as it's a better investment, although the VC is much more affordable used, and by far the most affordable Holy Trinity watch in this class..
Its going to be as difficult to source as the other 2 shortly...slow burner
I guess what you’re saying is you need both...
I have the VC overseas in 37mm. So I am for the AP. Based on the design only I think it’s a tight.
This VC with either a white or black gilt dial....BUY!
VC, has huge breadth and history. Amazing class across the brand.
AP, one watch, one trick pony brand (Code 11:59..gimme a break).
VC >>> AP
I miss the Versus series!
I'm a VC fan boy more then AP
Love both, had both ( but the chrono version for the vc)
Great review as usual Tim 👍
I still have the 15400, the tapisserie dial, the octagonal shape and the bracelet are just perfection 👌
VC the blue is just ahhhhhhhhhh
One thing that does go against VC is that it's now part of the Richmont Group, whereas AP is an "independent" and therefore there is that element which takes away some the allure from VC
I own both the blue 15400 and the brown dial Overseas and they’re equally beautiful. They may seem similar in form but once you analyze it down to the small details, they’re very much different and don’t overlap in my collection . IMO, the brown dial is the nicest followed by the blue then the black. You should see it in person since photos don’t really do the brown dial justice.
I guess it depends on your personal style, but I could never see a brown dial watch fitting in with my wardrobe. I wear a lot of grey/blue/black so it would have to be blue or black dial for me.
My choice is VC🥇🏆
Did i miss the micro adjustable clasp? If i am not mistaken this watch has a hidden micro adjust.
AP for me but glad to see all the upgrades and refinements to the VC, especially that movement! My blue dial 14790 is one of my most cherished watches.
Wow could you please make a video of your watch? I'm really keen on seeing it
Dont like the bulkiness of the bezel on the AP and don't like the color as much as the VC
IMO AP's brand is diminished by all the movie stars, rock stars, athletes, etc. who are tripping over each other to wear one. The VC on the other hand... most people won't know what they're looking at. That's why I love it.
Please also do GP Laureato vs Piaget Polo S and Zenith Defy Classic vs IWC Ingenieur 3239 40 mm
H9 did you say the date us white on black not colour coordinated to the dial?
Love Overseas!
For me AP only wins because of its strap.. LOL.. The piece it self though I would rather have the Overseas but the strap... mann
I’ve had both. The VC is nice but the bracelet is bland compared to the AP.
Both are stunning. I would proudly wear either.
Any video of the available bracelet for the Aquanaut?
I log on to your channel
Ap watch is fragile. I had to service 3 times during 3 years. Ap is a weekend watch. Vacheron is more durable
I don’t know what he’s talking about. The VC bracelet blows away the AP. It’s like he’s looking at a different watch than I am....but I’ll take the quick release, three-bracelets in one watch design over the AP. Nevermind the added water resistance! And he thinks the AP is the truer “sports” watch??!! Ha! Ha! Ha! Whatever....pretty lame assessment.
@@patrickbateman529 Agreed. I love the AP bracelet so much, too... and I love the Royal Oak! But Vacheron has taken it to a whole new lever with the solid 18K rose gold 4500V/110a Overseas and the matching chronometer. Just absolutely incredible piece with so many options all-in-one, it’s pure genius!!! I’ve got to get my hands on one!!! Ha! Ha! Ha!
@@patrickbateman529 agreed! 100%. Greetings from La Jolla
I think both are amazing
It’s a tough decision but gotta go with the Royal Oak.
RE: the VC "innovative engineering features like quick release lugs and display casebacks"...there is some ingenuity with quick release lugs but also questions about their security...but a display caseback being called "innovative engineering"? PP & AP have been doing that for years. VC makes a new movement but with antique technology: no hacking, no silicon, no full bridge, no free-sprung balance...it's barely an upgrade over the previous Frederic Piguet (I think it was?). I'll take the AP but 50m water resistant and the tacky AUTOMATIC branding (thank you for pointing that out) make this a tough choice.
Great Video! I love the sports watches videos.
AP but 15300 and 15202 at 39mm is best size for me
Lovely Overseas, but Tim...
... 14.5cm? You're dreaming. It's big on my 17. 5cm wrist.
The Blancpain wins.
Vc overseas for me
Would be good to redo this comparison with the latest RO 15500.
anybody know if VC makes all their movements in-house?
The MK3 Overseas is the first in-house in the line, yet the Mk 1 (and maybe 2?) was COSC certified, while this isn't...
Jaeger LeCoultre made movements for VC , Patek and many other brands. The third generation is definitely an in house movement. VC has history, however, I believe they have fallen behind a bit. JLC should be in the holy trinity. The overseas doesn’t have an anti-reflective crystal, a must at this price point. An expensive watch in steel, not in a precious metal. I’m considering the overseas, although, very pricey for other options that should also be considered. I love the blue dial for the VC, my blue Submariner dial is stunning with the ceramic bezel, tough to beat.
AP
Overseas is not in the same league.
AP better watch, design, brand recognition and prestige all day!
Have you inspected the AP 15500?
Overseas all-day!!!
VC hands down - APRO is an old man's watch now
On my wrist the over seas
I know it's not, but interesting my wife said this looks like a competitor to the Datejust, not an AP or Nautilus.
VC for me
AP!
Overseas
47040
Ap
Vacheron Constantin the best watches the wold
So contest, Vacheron
AP 👍
VC !!!
People would say Overseas over RO, but majority of the people who are willing to spend would buy RO
Boiskk O royal oak is king, or nautilus. This is the more modern of the 3, but most wont recognize it. I found out about the existence of this many years after knowing of the nautilus and royal oak. And most celebs also wear AP not the overseas
Thats true, main reason because you can show off the RO. nobody would recognize the VC.
And that's why I sold the nautilus and bought the overseas .
AP AP AP
Sure VC
AP is total beauty and superior craftsmanship! Vacheron I’d dull and ugly!
VC
The biggest problem for AP is that it looks cheap, and that it made bya blind designer. I have never seen such an ugly watch, with no a design balance. ill go for the vc
VC much better
Vc
VC for me