I actually love this knife. Where I live it is around 30$ and knives with higher-end steels are a lot more expensive than in the USA. To be honest, in my day-to-day usage it is about 95% scissors, 5% knife and so the steel is not very important. Sure would not mind an m390 sak but not having to pay 150$ for it.. then I would rather have 5 regular ones. The upside to the steel is that it is very rust-proof and super easy to strop.
I notice some move to tactical bags or fanny packs. Ultimately they are trying to find a purse that isn’t a purse. LoL. I’ll stick to my Esee 6 set up. Canvas sheath cover with large pocket. Tin loaded with the right stuff. Maybe able to restart civilization with it. ;)
If Victorinox would upgrade to even a steel such as 14c28n that would be a huge and acceptable improvement over the current stainless. As they are they're more of a secondary knife/multi-tool or collectors object. That said I do carry a Rangergrip 78 once in a while as a primary.
I have the cigar punch version that doesn't have the clip and it adds the 3 size cigar punch and it's in silver that is kind of classier than the red and of course it is no longer made. the Ambassador is the same as the money clip without the clip and it has celidor plastic scales with the tweezers and toothpick and only about $25. I think it has been discontinued as well.
Just bought my first Victorinox today! I don't think I am ready for the can of worms I just opened. I was looking into collecting them but my god there are so many of every single variation lol.
Do not dive into the collectors end , my I interest you in a set of limited Alox cadets all models 2016 to 2020 all bnb ahaha. In all seriousness don't dive into this rabbit hole .
Just stick to a strict budget. Having said that, I got a Champion C and Swisschamp last month, extended my budget a bit, 41USD total for both. I am in Singapore, so Vics are common here, but most other knife brands are either not available or expensive unless you settle for used.
Yeah bro, avoid the ones with Cork Screw, in real life is almost never to be used, and almost any cheap Cork Screw can do the same... Better go for the ones that have a screwdriver instead of the cork screw... Like the model Tinker Deluxe for example or the ones of over 111 mm those are good, and the smallest modelo the one that like the Moneyclip has knife, scisors and dile, but those have little twizers and a toothpick And can be put to your keys 👌
@@glasius22 I don't use the corkscrew all that often any more, but in the past, I sure did. Back in the 80s, I spent a year in France and that corkscrew saved the day more than once. And even after that, I probably used the corkscrew on my Swiss Army knife more than any waiter's corkscrew that was constantly floating around somewhere in my kitchen drawer. But whatever works for you. These knives are so cheap, almost anyone can afford more than one. A keychain knife as an emergency backup, something like a tourist, Spartan, Climber, Camper, or Tinker, depending on whether you want a Phillips screwdriver or a corkscrew on the back side of the knife. And a big knife like an Explorer or Swiss champ to keep in a glove box or kitchen drawer.
I am a Victorinox collector and I have this knife, but rarely carry it. Because it isn't all that useful. For carrying in a pocket, a classic SD or my personal favorite, the manager are even smaller and the keyring attachment is more functional that the clip, which as you said, is pretty terrible as an actual money clip. And when you actually want to cut something, one of the bigger Victorinox knives would be the way to go, attached to a suspension clip for pocket carry. The blade on the money clip knife is pretty small, so it really is only for light cutting tasks, like opening an envelope, or cutting through some packing tape when opening a box. Or maybe peeling an orange. So who is this money clip knife for? Maybe someone who plans to keep the knife in a suit or jacket pocket, but who doesn't want to carry something even a little bigger like a Cadet Alox or Bantam?
Well, if I were to pull out one of my 130mm one hand opening Swiss Army Knives with a great big locking blade, that benign Victorinox impression might dissolve posthaste! Even the popular 111mm locking blades with one hand opening look a little bit like real knives. After 55 years of using Victorinox knives, no, we are not sharpening all the time, Nick. These are light duty pocket knives. Not for slashing cartons all day. They cannot be compared to a constant use blade. I strop lightly more than any formal sharpening, although I do have the handy Victorinox pen sized diamond sharpener. The steel most certainly does not need to sharpened all the time. For carton I use a heavy box cutter. For whittling and bushcraft I use a modest "super" steel, and general outdoors my carbon steel Norwegian Helle forest knife, or maybe a Finnish pukka. Small Victorinox knives are for string and fruit and envelopes and other light, non-intensive tasks. My oldest is 50 years old. The steel is barely worn.
That's thinking outside the box. What models did you have in mind? Money Clip users aren't tremendously common. A redesign of the Cadet, Executive, and similar 1-2 layer knives?
Nearly all the reviewers who complain about the Victorinox steel don’t even use their knives. I say that because their knives always look new out of the box. I’ve had Victorinox knives since 1995 and I can attest there’s absolutely nothing wrong with their steel.
I absolutely love this knife! It was one of my very first knives I bought in the early 90's and it rode along hooked to my pocket for the next 10 or 12 years before I was finally forced to upgrade to something more substantial. But I still own it and love it no less. I still believe it's really the only knife I actually need
I dont think Victorinox would do a premium steel line any time soon... It would require a complete -retooling for the handful of people that are wanting higher end steels. They have done knives in other steels but not at their main production facility. They would have to completely re work their stamping and tooling machines. Even if all of Nick Shabazzs subscribers represented the market who wants a higher end steel, it still would not cover the cost and production changes to do it long term.
Not noting it has slightly better scissors than the Classic seems like a pretty big omission since a lot of people get these sorts of things primarily for the scissors. For the keychain models, I used to love the Wenger Pocket Tool Chest but it fell out of my pocket somewhere, so now it's the Victorinox Manager. The blade itself I barely use, but the other tools are nice to have.
Hey Nick, I just bought a $5.00 zebra fountain pen and it's awesome for the price. I was curious if you have ever reviewed any zebra products? Seriously ridiculous value for anyone who is fountain pen curious.
I'm not planning to do any serious cutting with this (just ordered one in silver alox). It's intended to be a secondary blade and I carry it primarily for it's scissors, to accompany a carry combination which lacks scissors and a secondary blade. As you rightly said it's sheeple friendly so if I'm carrying it with my Spyderco Urban (which looks a bit scary here in London UK lol) and need to cut something in front of non-knife folk I can use the Victorinox. That's a configuration I bought it to fit in, carried with a Spyderco Urban, Knipex Cobra XS and Geekey on keyring (for screwdriver and bottle opener capability). Or together with my Leatherman Bond. Or with Manly Wasp and SOG Micro Toolclip. The list goes on.
Sandvik 14c28n would be a good alternative to 12c27 in my opinion (if victorinox ever thought of it), that one would be perfect for that price range, and the steel is made by the same company. Plus I am quite a huge fan of that steel(my kershaw leek has Sandvik 14c28n and when I sharpened it I could rest it on my arm and use the weight of the knife to shave arm hair, it holds an edge for quite a bit too).
That’s honestly pretty cool. If I still carried cash I’d probably do it. So much easier to just have cards though.. lotta places won’t even take cash anymore here where I live in Silicon Valley.
Still enjoyed the review, but yeah the steel bias is showing quite a bit here. With the use you're actually going to press a 74mm Victorinox into regularly frankly the most important thing is that it doesn't rust easily (which it succeeds at). Stropping/honing a knife on occasion shouldn't be a big deal, I just don't see the increase in cost moving to high end steel would actually benefit consumers in a meaningful way for the most part. This video highlighted something interesting to me though, when I hear or see a money clip I've never once thought of it being a wallet replacement is that how it's seen in the us? I just assumed the prevalence was a convenient way to carry a larger amount of notes, because the USD is a notes heavy currency, carrying a card of import in a money clip just seems like a good way to damage or lose those cards. Would your view appreciably change of the moneyclip aspect if you removed cards from the equation?
It doesn’t impress you because you compare it directly to larger knives; not the same category of tool. I open envelopes and flatten boxes with this everyday - perfect pocket knife for everyday uses in a city.
It probably doesn’t make sense for Victorinox to use a higher-grade steel with the way they construct their knives. With pin construction, it wouldn’t help to use a more expensive steel for the blade if it had to be serviced and/or replaced. You don’t regularly see a lot of pinned knives with good steel, or at least I haven’t.
I don’t think the clip is coming off of that if one want’s it thinner. Correct me if I am wrong, but it appears everything, including the clip, is all riveted together. Kind of a bummer for $40 if that’s the case.
I've been carrying a Victorinox Tinker with me (loose in the pocket) for the past 20+ years (not the original because I got ripped off a few times by airline security). It has everything I need in a pocket knife. For bigger tasks there are more specialized tools. Having said that, would I buy this one for *double* the price of the Tinker? Not a chance.
I don't get it. I can see a multi tool or knife, I can see a money clip. Wouldn't I have to remove the money from clip on the "attractive object" in order to use the knife or scissors?
If Victorinox started using good steels, they'd just go way up in price. ie: that little guy in M390 would cost $100+. We've already seen it with CRKT, Buck, Case, Boker...When these big brands known for cheap-ish knives get into good steels...They just charge a sh*t ton more.
Yep MKM Mercury did the Malga for 130 with m390 with blade, fork, can opener, awl, cork remover, micarta scales. I think it sells for around 109 but yeah I think the point of SAKs is you are spending less than 50 for a multi tool that is going to get you out of binds not be a daily driver.
I think one of the problems with us knife people looking at SAKS is that we are not their primary market. The primary customers for victorinox are the non-tactical versions of the people that buy mtechs. They know a knife will be useful, but they aren't knife people, so they buy a well known and readily available brand with some extra tools. M390 would be a horrible choice for victorinox. It'll take it well out of their primary customers' price bracket, and be too difficult for most of their customers to sharpen. A more budget steel upgrade, such as 14c28n, would be ideal for everyone.
@@julianpetkov8320 Victorinox, like all knife brands, takes advantage of collectors. But your basic Spartan or Tinker is less than $25 and can last you a lifetime. And that's without manufacturing in China.
@@julianpetkov8320 "Victorinox sells at luxury goods prices" -- Huh? I've been carrying my Victorinox Tinker for 20+ years, it is still $20 on their own site.
I used to carry a little bit of cash for emergencies, tips, and whatnot, but since the pandemic began I've only been using my credit card. Not sure I'll ever use much cash again.
Nice to hear someone else with some credibility call out Victorinox's terrible, terrible blade steel. I carry a SAK Classic every day in my pocket for its other tools (mainly the toothpick, but the file comes in handy far more often than you'd think) but always carry a real knife for actual cutting. I also own a couple of the bigger SAKs that I have stowed around for general purpose needs where I'm too lazy to get the proper tool (frequently the scissors). On both my Classic and the bigger home knives, the blades are only ever for edge-abusive purposes (most often trimming tape or insulation material around metal things). You're absolutely right, Nick. Victorinox offering their blades in an even remotely half-respectable steel (like say properly heat-treated 12C27, X50CrMoV15, or 4116) would be a game changer. I'd pay a 30% premium for that. Hell, if they offered it in 14C28N/AEB-L, I'd pay double. Victorinox's trash steel is the only thing that's kept me from buying a Cadet.
I do t carry my sak in place of my delica, but I do carry in place of some of my leathermans. The steel isn’t anything to write home about, but for the average joe, they’re amazing. If I was expecting to do any kind of serious work, like electrical work, carpentry work, etc, I’d take one of my expensive leatherman tools. But at Christmas time, and other similar holidays when one of the kids wants their new Barbie or power ranger toys opened up, I’ve got my sak and it does just fine and it’s not going to terrify the children. I love the sak because my father and grandfather always had them when I was growing up and I think they are fantastic tools for what they cost. You can’t go wrong imho
Thank god someone with clout calls out Victorinox on - at the very least - their blade steel. Yes, it's 'fine' for what they intend it for, won't snap or chip easily, or rust; but why, why can a market leader not strive to move past 'fine' and be 'good' instead? Edit: And Nick is exactly right: You use your Vic. as intended, do some crafty stuff with it on the go, appreciate the functionality crammed into the tiny frame, and then you're done and you Know - not wonder, not suspect - know for damn sure that you'll have to re-sharpen the damn blade, and that the tip will be especially worn and take 10 extra minutes of reworking.
I like these scales far better than the usual plastic or alox version scales. How come we don't see it on more Victorinox models? These scales on a classic model would be absolutely perfect for a 5th pocket knife. I do agree that these knives should be available with proper steels. It doesn't have to be s90v, but anything that doesn't get dull just by looking at it would be nice, especially for these tiny blades.
The blade steel is the only thing that really is stopping me from picking up any more voctorinox products. I love the other tools on them and often prefer their classic form factor over plier/scissor based multitools, but without a halfway decent blade steel, I just replaced my SAK with a keybar that has a few accessories. If victorious at least offered something like 14c28n or n69, I'd be all over getting a new tinker so I can use the knife in less knife-friendly environments.
I have mine in my pocket right now. It's a backup to my backup. My primary can range from a Bugout to an AD-10 in size. My secondary is either one of my Giant Mouse knives or a neck knife like the MKM Mikro. My tertiary knife is usually a SAK for use in situations where a larger or fixed blade might scare someone. I own a Ken Onion Worksharp so sharpening is easy.
I love mine, I used to clip it to a belt loop. I used the nail cleaner to take a door off the hinges once. Other than that I used the hell out of it. They need to make them with body colored clips.
If you’re ever in the circumstances that someone is measuring your blade, you can be sure that argument won’t work. If they’re so petty to have gone to such lengths to get you, they’re not going let you win that is what I’m saying.
@@reikyfoxxe1847 The closest to what I carry is Tech-Tool City 5. It has better steel, but it is 3 times the price, and it is still made in China. For that price I might get Leatherman Free T4 (although it is quite a bit fatter), and it's made in the US.
Victorinox should totally follow Leatherman and other multi-tools manufacturers. At least give us some 420HC knife, no worries for the rest of the tools. D2 would be a great choice, it's cheap and holds well
I am sorry D2 is bad its not staneless and you use your Victorinox for food preparation all the time the knife is wet a lot . Lc200n would be nice in my opinion.
@@gregkollaeg2365 And that's where the dog is buried (Polish expression). I use Victorinox quite a bit for food preparation while hiking and traveling, so it needs to be stainless, but LC200N (as amazing as it is) would make the knife much more expensive. If i spent a lot of time camping out in Florida swamps, I might get a Slysz Spydie Chef (drool), but for casual day hiking and short travels Victorinox steel is good enough.
How do you use the knife when you got a couple of 50's or 100's clipped onto it? Just seems so impractical to actually use it as a money clip and a knife.
@@mickeymch876 Easy really, when you pull it out of your you just leave the money in your pocket. When the task is finished just reclip the cash . Also they are very useful fishing clipped to shirt .
These victorinox knives are always just so.... meh... for me. I really don't know why, maybe it is the steel. At least their kitchen knives are at the very bottom end of ok.
@@NickShabazz I gave my aunt one of the small parers that sells for under $10 one year. She had me get several more to give to her friends the next Christmas. I have 2 myself, and love them.
And yet there are all these Victorinox-centric channels where people actually use their knives and they do just fine. The steel snob channels are weirdly comprised of people who don't seem to use their knives much at all.
@@Pinki2019 Vics are quaint, definitely. Like and old VW Bug. Sure, you could still carry a Buck 110 too, if you want, but like the Corolla and Civic killed the VW Beetle, time moves on.
@@devonmask5192 I'd like to know what people are doing differently which requires so much super steel. Somehow, a vast number of properly and not-so-properly maintained SAK vintage knives not only continue to perform after decades, but are almost unconditionally prized.
@@Euripides_Panz The typical pocket knife carrier is doing the same thing they have for decades, just a lot more of it. You didn't used to get a dozen Amazon boxes a week each with blister packaged items that are nearly hermetically sealed with 20 mil plastic. The 'super steels' are nice, but carry the caveat of needing special and pricy sharpening gear. But what was once a premium steel is coming down in price. 420c Bucks were great in the late 70's/early 80's, but now there's better Sandvik, D2, Spring D2, S30V that can go longer without losing an edge. Throw in G10 or Micarta scales, better centering, grinding and machining and it's no comparison. I have old jewelry boxes and drawers of older knives I'd never throw out but neither would I carry them. The bar has been raised and still rises.
@@devonmask5192 I'd just as soon not support a company such as Amazo. Even if I did, the narrative of always, constantly sharpening a tool is lost on me. Maybe I use the right tools for the right jobs. I have dozens of knives and don't sharpen often enough to keep stones quickly accessible. 95% of the packages I do get are quickly and effortlessly opened with no more than a cheap tape breaker. The other 5% actually require a sharpened blade. Now, my cooking utensils and prep tools see more sharpening and honing than all my other tools put together.
Super steels have their place, but they are not always "better." That's the opinion of someon3 compensating, the person who says more rounds in the magazine is always better, or more horses under the hood is always better.
I get beating up on Victorinox steel on their larger knives that are actually intended to be a primary blade for serious cutting, but that's not what this is. This is going to be for light use for people who either don't do anything but maybe open an occasional envelope with their knives or just want an extra blade. The steel is fine for this application. The clip being too small, otoh, that's a problem. Though I guess if all you carry is your drivers license and a credit card and maybe a little cash (which you can kind of get away with given that insurance cards and such are digital these days), it'll be okay.
I actually love this knife. Where I live it is around 30$ and knives with higher-end steels are a lot more expensive than in the USA. To be honest, in my day-to-day usage it is about 95% scissors, 5% knife and so the steel is not very important. Sure would not mind an m390 sak but not having to pay 150$ for it.. then I would rather have 5 regular ones. The upside to the steel is that it is very rust-proof and super easy to strop.
"If you need to fit your entire life inside an Altoids tin.." (Instant classic)
I notice some move to tactical bags or fanny packs. Ultimately they are trying to find a purse that isn’t a purse. LoL. I’ll stick to my Esee 6 set up. Canvas sheath cover with large pocket. Tin loaded with the right stuff. Maybe able to restart civilization with it. ;)
If Victorinox would upgrade to even a steel such as 14c28n that would be a huge and acceptable improvement over the current stainless. As they are they're more of a secondary knife/multi-tool or collectors object. That said I do carry a Rangergrip 78 once in a while as a primary.
I have the cigar punch version that doesn't have the clip and it adds the 3 size cigar punch and it's in silver that is kind of classier than the red and of course it is no longer made. the Ambassador is the same as the money clip without the clip and it has celidor plastic scales with the tweezers and toothpick and only about $25. I think it has been discontinued as well.
I carry victorinox knives, but not as a primary duty knife.
Lol, have you tried sharpening play-dough?
I always carry a Victorinox as a backup and for the other tools.
Just bought my first Victorinox today! I don't think I am ready for the can of worms I just opened. I was looking into collecting them but my god there are so many of every single variation lol.
Do not dive into the collectors end , my I interest you in a set of limited Alox cadets all models 2016 to 2020 all bnb ahaha. In all seriousness don't dive into this rabbit hole .
Just stick to a strict budget. Having said that, I got a Champion C and Swisschamp last month, extended my budget a bit, 41USD total for both. I am in Singapore, so Vics are common here, but most other knife brands are either not available or expensive unless you settle for used.
That is what makes collecting them so fun, all the variations of every model.
Yeah bro, avoid the ones with Cork Screw, in real life is almost never to be used, and almost any cheap Cork Screw can do the same... Better go for the ones that have a screwdriver instead of the cork screw... Like the model Tinker Deluxe for example or the ones of over 111 mm those are good, and the smallest modelo the one that like the Moneyclip has knife, scisors and dile, but those have little twizers and a toothpick And can be put to your keys 👌
@@glasius22 I don't use the corkscrew all that often any more, but in the past, I sure did. Back in the 80s, I spent a year in France and that corkscrew saved the day more than once. And even after that, I probably used the corkscrew on my Swiss Army knife more than any waiter's corkscrew that was constantly floating around somewhere in my kitchen drawer. But whatever works for you. These knives are so cheap, almost anyone can afford more than one. A keychain knife as an emergency backup, something like a tourist, Spartan, Climber, Camper, or Tinker, depending on whether you want a Phillips screwdriver or a corkscrew on the back side of the knife. And a big knife like an Explorer or Swiss champ to keep in a glove box or kitchen drawer.
I am a Victorinox collector and I have this knife, but rarely carry it. Because it isn't all that useful. For carrying in a pocket, a classic SD or my personal favorite, the manager are even smaller and the keyring attachment is more functional that the clip, which as you said, is pretty terrible as an actual money clip. And when you actually want to cut something, one of the bigger Victorinox knives would be the way to go, attached to a suspension clip for pocket carry.
The blade on the money clip knife is pretty small, so it really is only for light cutting tasks, like opening an envelope, or cutting through some packing tape when opening a box. Or maybe peeling an orange.
So who is this money clip knife for? Maybe someone who plans to keep the knife in a suit or jacket pocket, but who doesn't want to carry something even a little bigger like a Cadet Alox or Bantam?
It is certainly a niche size. I'm leaning towards the alox classic over this.
Well, if I were to pull out one of my 130mm one hand opening Swiss Army Knives with a great big locking blade, that benign Victorinox impression might dissolve posthaste! Even the popular 111mm locking blades with one hand opening look a little bit like real knives.
After 55 years of using Victorinox knives, no, we are not sharpening all the time, Nick. These are light duty pocket knives. Not for slashing cartons all day. They cannot be compared to a constant use blade. I strop lightly more than any formal sharpening, although I do have the handy Victorinox pen sized diamond sharpener. The steel most certainly does not need to sharpened all the time.
For carton I use a heavy box cutter. For whittling and bushcraft I use a modest "super" steel, and general outdoors my carbon steel Norwegian Helle forest knife, or maybe a Finnish pukka.
Small Victorinox knives are for string and fruit and envelopes and other light, non-intensive tasks. My oldest is 50 years old. The steel is barely worn.
would be nice if they made other "moneyclip" versions of their SAKs. Keep the price low though.
That's thinking outside the box. What models did you have in mind? Money Clip users aren't tremendously common. A redesign of the Cadet, Executive, and similar 1-2 layer knives?
The cutout on the file is a wire stripper Nick...
Nearly all the reviewers who complain about the Victorinox steel don’t even use their knives. I say that because their knives always look new out of the box. I’ve had Victorinox knives since 1995 and I can attest there’s absolutely nothing wrong with their steel.
Victorinox still has a massive following because no other manufacturer is making ultralight knives with scissors.
Yes, but how does it compare the to Cold Steel Espada XL?
I absolutely love this knife! It was one of my very first knives I bought in the early 90's and it rode along hooked to my pocket for the next 10 or 12 years before I was finally forced to upgrade to something more substantial. But I still own it and love it no less. I still believe it's really the only knife I actually need
I dont think Victorinox would do a premium steel line any time soon... It would require a complete -retooling for the handful of people that are wanting higher end steels. They have done knives in other steels but not at their main production facility. They would have to completely re work their stamping and tooling machines.
Even if all of Nick Shabazzs subscribers represented the market who wants a higher end steel, it still would not cover the cost and production changes to do it long term.
"....a very nice choice for being around scared individuals" 🤣🤣
OMG a money clip that just holds money!?!?!?
I just want a dammed Alox Cadet with scissors and a pocket clip.
indeed playdough is very easy to sharpen.
ok, lets see ya do it
@@rabbitslayer42 nick said it i'm just quoting
After thinking about for a minute. It might be true because play-doh hardens :P
@@rabbitslayer42 that would be interesting to see for sure
Not noting it has slightly better scissors than the Classic seems like a pretty big omission since a lot of people get these sorts of things primarily for the scissors. For the keychain models, I used to love the Wenger Pocket Tool Chest but it fell out of my pocket somewhere, so now it's the Victorinox Manager. The blade itself I barely use, but the other tools are nice to have.
Hey Nick, I just bought a $5.00 zebra fountain pen and it's awesome for the price. I was curious if you have ever reviewed any zebra products? Seriously ridiculous value for anyone who is fountain pen curious.
Can’t beat a knife with scissors! Great secondary carry! Thanks for the review Nick!
I dare you to sharpen playdoh... 🤣🤣
The steel is 1.4110
I'm not planning to do any serious cutting with this (just ordered one in silver alox). It's intended to be a secondary blade and I carry it primarily for it's scissors, to accompany a carry combination which lacks scissors and a secondary blade. As you rightly said it's sheeple friendly so if I'm carrying it with my Spyderco Urban (which looks a bit scary here in London UK lol) and need to cut something in front of non-knife folk I can use the Victorinox. That's a configuration I bought it to fit in, carried with a Spyderco Urban, Knipex Cobra XS and Geekey on keyring (for screwdriver and bottle opener capability). Or together with my Leatherman Bond. Or with Manly Wasp and SOG Micro Toolclip. The list goes on.
Sandvik 14c28n would be a good alternative to 12c27 in my opinion (if victorinox ever thought of it), that one would be perfect for that price range, and the steel is made by the same company. Plus I am quite a huge fan of that steel(my kershaw leek has Sandvik 14c28n and when I sharpened it I could rest it on my arm and use the weight of the knife to shave arm hair, it holds an edge for quite a bit too).
That’s honestly pretty cool. If I still carried cash I’d probably do it. So much easier to just have cards though.. lotta places won’t even take cash anymore here where I live in Silicon Valley.
Still enjoyed the review, but yeah the steel bias is showing quite a bit here. With the use you're actually going to press a 74mm Victorinox into regularly frankly the most important thing is that it doesn't rust easily (which it succeeds at). Stropping/honing a knife on occasion shouldn't be a big deal, I just don't see the increase in cost moving to high end steel would actually benefit consumers in a meaningful way for the most part.
This video highlighted something interesting to me though, when I hear or see a money clip I've never once thought of it being a wallet replacement is that how it's seen in the us? I just assumed the prevalence was a convenient way to carry a larger amount of notes, because the USD is a notes heavy currency, carrying a card of import in a money clip just seems like a good way to damage or lose those cards.
Would your view appreciably change of the moneyclip aspect if you removed cards from the equation?
It doesn’t impress you because you compare it directly to larger knives; not the same category of tool. I open envelopes and flatten boxes with this everyday - perfect pocket knife for everyday uses in a city.
It probably doesn’t make sense for Victorinox to use a higher-grade steel with the way they construct their knives. With pin construction, it wouldn’t help to use a more expensive steel for the blade if it had to be serviced and/or replaced. You don’t regularly see a lot of pinned knives with good steel, or at least I haven’t.
I don’t think the clip is coming off of that if one want’s it thinner. Correct me if I am wrong, but it appears everything, including the clip, is all riveted together. Kind of a bummer for $40 if that’s the case.
No, that's not the Case. It's a Victorinox.
I love these knives, wish they were still being made. They stay sharp for a long time as I have experienced.
I've been carrying a Victorinox Tinker with me (loose in the pocket) for the past 20+ years (not the original because I got ripped off a few times by airline security). It has everything I need in a pocket knife. For bigger tasks there are more specialized tools. Having said that, would I buy this one for *double* the price of the Tinker? Not a chance.
I don't get it. I can see a multi tool or knife, I can see a money clip. Wouldn't I have to remove the money from clip on the "attractive object" in order to use the knife or scissors?
Finally proof that Nick can do a review of almost anything. Or almost nothing ...
Interesting and different yet not really useful, unlike most Victorinox knives which are.
I like this ... Think it's pretty kewl actually ... But for $40, I dunno
Hi Nick! Would you mind reviewing the Spyderco App? This may be a little outta your realm yet not :)
Wish they would’ve built in a real money clip that holds at least 10 bills and a couple cards
It's a very good knife, but instead of the clip I would rather have some key ring
super nice, do they have version with screwdriver in it like in rambler? this would be my choice immediately then.
Nick, be real here - you just hate Victorinox products in general 🙂
Lol. "Serious cutting"... With a 2 inch money clip.
I have 3 of these, I clip it to my shirt and forget about it It's so light weight
Are the scales replaceable on the money clip version please?
Is it discontinued ?
I can't find it on Amazon
If Victorinox started using good steels, they'd just go way up in price. ie: that little guy in M390 would cost $100+. We've already seen it with CRKT, Buck, Case, Boker...When these big brands known for cheap-ish knives get into good steels...They just charge a sh*t ton more.
Yep MKM Mercury did the Malga for 130 with m390 with blade, fork, can opener, awl, cork remover, micarta scales. I think it sells for around 109 but yeah I think the point of SAKs is you are spending less than 50 for a multi tool that is going to get you out of binds not be a daily driver.
I think one of the problems with us knife people looking at SAKS is that we are not their primary market. The primary customers for victorinox are the non-tactical versions of the people that buy mtechs. They know a knife will be useful, but they aren't knife people, so they buy a well known and readily available brand with some extra tools.
M390 would be a horrible choice for victorinox. It'll take it well out of their primary customers' price bracket, and be too difficult for most of their customers to sharpen. A more budget steel upgrade, such as 14c28n, would be ideal for everyone.
@@julianpetkov8320 Victorinox, like all knife brands, takes advantage of collectors. But your basic Spartan or Tinker is less than $25 and can last you a lifetime. And that's without manufacturing in China.
@@julianpetkov8320 "Victorinox sells at luxury goods prices" -- Huh? I've been carrying my Victorinox Tinker for 20+ years, it is still $20 on their own site.
@@julianpetkov8320 Link please to the Victorinox Tinker equivalent for $2.
Wish all models had pocket clip optiins
I want a review not a salesman patter
I don’t know what it’s like other places, but as a Canadian I haven’t carried cash in a long time. It’s all debit and credit up here.
Crazy isn't it that Japan & the U.S. , some might say the most technologically advanced nations, have to use cash(?!)?
@@jaysterling26 careful what you wish for.
I used to carry a little bit of cash for emergencies, tips, and whatnot, but since the pandemic began I've only been using my credit card. Not sure I'll ever use much cash again.
I went back to paying cash more after my credit card was hacked at a gas station.
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Nice to hear someone else with some credibility call out Victorinox's terrible, terrible blade steel. I carry a SAK Classic every day in my pocket for its other tools (mainly the toothpick, but the file comes in handy far more often than you'd think) but always carry a real knife for actual cutting. I also own a couple of the bigger SAKs that I have stowed around for general purpose needs where I'm too lazy to get the proper tool (frequently the scissors). On both my Classic and the bigger home knives, the blades are only ever for edge-abusive purposes (most often trimming tape or insulation material around metal things).
You're absolutely right, Nick. Victorinox offering their blades in an even remotely half-respectable steel (like say properly heat-treated 12C27, X50CrMoV15, or 4116) would be a game changer. I'd pay a 30% premium for that. Hell, if they offered it in 14C28N/AEB-L, I'd pay double. Victorinox's trash steel is the only thing that's kept me from buying a Cadet.
Fair easement
I do t carry my sak in place of my delica, but I do carry in place of some of my leathermans. The steel isn’t anything to write home about, but for the average joe, they’re amazing. If I was expecting to do any kind of serious work, like electrical work, carpentry work, etc, I’d take one of my expensive leatherman tools. But at Christmas time, and other similar holidays when one of the kids wants their new Barbie or power ranger toys opened up, I’ve got my sak and it does just fine and it’s not going to terrify the children. I love the sak because my father and grandfather always had them when I was growing up and I think they are fantastic tools for what they cost. You can’t go wrong imho
bruh soundin like scout tf2
Thank god someone with clout calls out Victorinox on - at the very least - their blade steel. Yes, it's 'fine' for what they intend it for, won't snap or chip easily, or rust; but why, why can a market leader not strive to move past 'fine' and be 'good' instead?
Edit: And Nick is exactly right: You use your Vic. as intended, do some crafty stuff with it on the go, appreciate the functionality crammed into the tiny frame, and then you're done and you Know - not wonder, not suspect - know for damn sure that you'll have to re-sharpen the damn blade, and that the tip will be especially worn and take 10 extra minutes of reworking.
I like these scales far better than the usual plastic or alox version scales. How come we don't see it on more Victorinox models? These scales on a classic model would be absolutely perfect for a 5th pocket knife. I do agree that these knives should be available with proper steels. It doesn't have to be s90v, but anything that doesn't get dull just by looking at it would be nice, especially for these tiny blades.
The blade steel is the only thing that really is stopping me from picking up any more voctorinox products. I love the other tools on them and often prefer their classic form factor over plier/scissor based multitools, but without a halfway decent blade steel, I just replaced my SAK with a keybar that has a few accessories.
If victorious at least offered something like 14c28n or n69, I'd be all over getting a new tinker so I can use the knife in less knife-friendly environments.
I have mine in my pocket right now. It's a backup to my backup. My primary can range from a Bugout to an AD-10 in size. My secondary is either one of my Giant Mouse knives or a neck knife like the MKM Mikro. My tertiary knife is usually a SAK for use in situations where a larger or fixed blade might scare someone. I own a Ken Onion Worksharp so sharpening is easy.
I think a Opinel no°8 for scale would be nice :D
Everybody knows the opinel but I sadly have never seen a spiderco :/
I'ma fix that one day >;D
Victorinox steel is rust/corrosion resistant, it's purposefully softer than other stainless steel blades.
I love mine, I used to clip it to a belt loop. I used the nail cleaner to take a door off the hinges once. Other than that I used the hell out of it. They need to make them with body colored clips.
Any thoughts on the Casio ga2100 "CasiOak" with the royal oak bracelet mod?
Another one of those "hey thats a cool idea" until you get hands on or take a third look at it.
If you're looking for something thin then the Alox Bantam is great.
I love how the delica 4 is always in the size comparison part 😁
Nick.. Thanks again for the video much appreciated 😎👍
Even the smallest of the blades is bigger than the Shabazz special. =)
Would it not count as a little UNDER two inches because you measure the sharpened edge, not the whole piece of metal?
If you’re ever in the circumstances that someone is measuring your blade, you can be sure that argument won’t work. If they’re so petty to have gone to such lengths to get you, they’re not going let you win that is what I’m saying.
Nice. Thanks for sharing 👍🏼😀
No disassembly video?... LOL
When is the rockwall review!
Rough rider is putting vg-10 in 15 dollar knives now. Come on victorinox
Rough Ryder is nice and classy in a Chinese-made Buck-homage way, but each Victorinox (okay, except for this one) is practically a multi-tool.
@@mountainhobo the rest of the victorinox tools are fine, just make the blade steel better. Boker tech tools are a nice update
@@reikyfoxxe1847 The closest to what I carry is Tech-Tool City 5. It has better steel, but it is 3 times the price, and it is still made in China. For that price I might get Leatherman Free T4 (although it is quite a bit fatter), and it's made in the US.
@@mountainhobo I have a leatherman p2 multitool and its nice, just functionally its a fancy leatherman wingman.
@@reikyfoxxe1847 That is nice.
Yeet yeet right out the gate!!!
Victorinox should totally follow Leatherman and other multi-tools manufacturers. At least give us some 420HC knife, no worries for the rest of the tools. D2 would be a great choice, it's cheap and holds well
I am sorry D2 is bad its not staneless and you use your Victorinox for food preparation all the time the knife is wet a lot . Lc200n would be nice in my opinion.
@@gregkollaeg2365 And that's where the dog is buried (Polish expression). I use Victorinox quite a bit for food preparation while hiking and traveling, so it needs to be stainless, but LC200N (as amazing as it is) would make the knife much more expensive. If i spent a lot of time camping out in Florida swamps, I might get a Slysz Spydie Chef (drool), but for casual day hiking and short travels Victorinox steel is good enough.
Carried one for 15 great years. Their steel varies from knife to knife . The money clip is fine to carry 50 or hundreds.
How do you use the knife when you got a couple of 50's or 100's clipped onto it? Just seems so impractical to actually use it as a money clip and a knife.
@@mickeymch876 Easy really, when you pull it out of your you just leave the money in your pocket. When the task is finished just reclip the cash .
Also they are very useful fishing clipped to shirt .
These victorinox knives are always just so.... meh... for me. I really don't know why, maybe it is the steel. At least their kitchen knives are at the very bottom end of ok.
I recommend their kitchen knives a lot, because for many folks, they're a very nice value.
@@NickShabazz They are definitely good for the average person. In fact they are probably better than what most people have in their kitchens.
@@NickShabazz I gave my aunt one of the small parers that sells for under $10 one year. She had me get several more to give to her friends the next Christmas. I have 2 myself, and love them.
Good back up blade.
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Yes, the margarine grade steel Vic's use is definitely worth a mention. They might as well use metal from Altoids tins.
And yet there are all these Victorinox-centric channels where people actually use their knives and they do just fine. The steel snob channels are weirdly comprised of people who don't seem to use their knives much at all.
@@Pinki2019 Vics are quaint, definitely. Like and old VW Bug. Sure, you could still carry a Buck 110 too, if you want, but like the Corolla and Civic killed the VW Beetle, time moves on.
@@devonmask5192 I'd like to know what people are doing differently which requires so much super steel. Somehow, a vast number of properly and not-so-properly maintained SAK vintage knives not only continue to perform after decades, but are almost unconditionally prized.
@@Euripides_Panz The typical pocket knife carrier is doing the same thing they have for decades, just a lot more of it. You didn't used to get a dozen Amazon boxes a week each with blister packaged items that are nearly hermetically sealed with 20 mil plastic. The 'super steels' are nice, but carry the caveat of needing special and pricy sharpening gear. But what was once a premium steel is coming down in price. 420c Bucks were great in the late 70's/early 80's, but now there's better Sandvik, D2, Spring D2, S30V that can go longer without losing an edge. Throw in G10 or Micarta scales, better centering, grinding and machining and it's no comparison. I have old jewelry boxes and drawers of older knives I'd never throw out but neither would I carry them. The bar has been raised and still rises.
@@devonmask5192 I'd just as soon not support a company such as Amazo. Even if I did, the narrative of always, constantly sharpening a tool is lost on me. Maybe I use the right tools for the right jobs. I have dozens of knives and don't sharpen often enough to keep stones quickly accessible. 95% of the packages I do get are quickly and effortlessly opened with no more than a cheap tape breaker. The other 5% actually require a sharpened blade.
Now, my cooking utensils and prep tools see more sharpening and honing than all my other tools put together.
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"A nice choice for being around scared individuals." ✌🏽👍🏽
Super steels have their place, but they are not always "better." That's the opinion of someon3 compensating, the person who says more rounds in the magazine is always better, or more horses under the hood is always better.
A Victorinox without a bottle opener is weird to me.
I get beating up on Victorinox steel on their larger knives that are actually intended to be a primary blade for serious cutting, but that's not what this is. This is going to be for light use for people who either don't do anything but maybe open an occasional envelope with their knives or just want an extra blade. The steel is fine for this application.
The clip being too small, otoh, that's a problem. Though I guess if all you carry is your drivers license and a credit card and maybe a little cash (which you can kind of get away with given that insurance cards and such are digital these days), it'll be okay.