Yes, but functionally the QL primarily works as an anti-side bending muscle. So exercises like suitcase carry, side bridges, and unilateral front rack lunges, simply make more sense from a training perspective than a side bend. Side bends aren’t “bad” but it’s about training smarter.
Yes, but if you’re more physically limited you need to reduce the challenge to light weight. As you build coordination you can increase the weight and how long you do it. The pendulum would likely be the most difficult for those feeling physically limited.
Thank you! I hoped it helped you understand WHY this exercise is overrated and there are more effective options that have functional carry over, i.e., mimics activities we do in daily life.
Well side bends are pretty much THE best exc. for the obliques srcs: boeckh and buskies 2000 Calling them stupid bc they dont train the core is like calling curls stupid bc they dont train the back. So the massage "Ditch the Side Bends and start training your obliques and core the SMART way!" makes no sense at all. Pls correct me if I am wrong.
When you understand how the core works, like I explain, it makes complete sense. You can’t isolate the internal and external obliques, nor any muscle for that aspect. The brain’s motor planning is based on movement not individual muscles. Your brain doesn’t know what an “oblique” is - we’ve named them that. The internal and external obliques are oriented diagonally and are primarily for controlling rotation and anti-rotation, so using a side bend to “target” them is only relative. And there’s little functional carry over (when do you isolate side bending to do anything in life?), so only useful for bodybuilding. If you said you were doing side bends to “strengthen the QL” that would make more sense, but even then there are better functional exercises out there. Well, curls are stupid if you’re trying to train the back with them, bc I don’t know how you would do that 😂
@@Reachrehabchiro i guess there is misunderstanding. I wasn’t talking about core strength. I was talking about training a muscle by putting load on it in its stretched position. Which is scientifically prove the best why to stimulate it to growth. The curls/back metaphor was just a joke mocking ur statement. Sorry for the misunderstanding. English isn’t my first language. I came across your video by looking for exercises for the obliques (bodybuilding) and I understand that this isn’t the topic of the video. And I get what you are trying to tell. But you state things that aren’t true. And for someone who isn’t really into bodybuilding your statements might be misleading. Do you get what I’m trying to say - sorry it’s hard to find the right words
I’m speaking to general population teaching functional movement, not bodybuilders. If that wasn’t clear I’ll make sure to specify more clearly next time.
@@ReachrehabchiroI don’t think you understand how the core works 😂. Probably been watching too much SquatU. Since it’s all about “training smarter” why not replace all 3 of these worthless exercises with a suitcase deadlift? Accomplishes the same thing while also working several other body parts.
I try to have a decent golf swing and that requires some, or even a lot of side bend. How would I train this? Just the same way? Yep, I'm not young - 64 - trying to move a bit smoother... Having a bit of a problem to not "stand up" in the back and forward swing. Thanks for the excersises.
You bring up a good point. Proper side bend and hip drive is a swing technique that requires good hip mobility to pull off. Loss of posture is typically the result of poor hips mobility/control (other things too). Simply doing a side bend exercise wont solve this as the golf swing has an interconnected “whip” effect where each region affects the other, e.g., poor trunk rotation can cause reverse spine angle and chicken winging swing faults. Here’s a good video for you: ruclips.net/video/M0nnnVwj434/видео.htmlsi=IN2n25IcbaOZsAox
@@Reachrehabchiro1:30 to 2:00 is bullshit. Your core is designed to both stabilised AND to help you perform loaded rotate movements from swinging an axe to making a punch and many more. You just lie or missinform others.
@@lprafalic yuup, what he says is so utterly idiotic from the 1:30 mark i cannot fathom how this man got to where he is, someone should send this idiot to a boxing gym.
@@lprafalic I rewatched that part and I said they are for “rotating and anti-rotating.” i.e., controlling rotation. And is exercise 3 not controlling rotation? So, not sure where the misinformation is. Happy to have a discussion as the devil is in the details but please be respectful with your comments. Thanks.
@@johncasarino5627 Happy to have a discussion if you’re respectful. I believe there’s a misunderstanding and what I said taken out of context - this video is specifically about why there are better core exercises than a side bend and how to do them. There’s no argument in name calling.
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But side bends to strengthen ql works no ?
Yes, but functionally the QL primarily works as an anti-side bending muscle. So exercises like suitcase carry, side bridges, and unilateral front rack lunges, simply make more sense from a training perspective than a side bend. Side bends aren’t “bad” but it’s about training smarter.
@@Reachrehabchiroare side bends bad for spine
Not “bad” as I would never call an exercise bad, but there are better options. And some people are intolerant of repetitive bending. Poor risk-reward.
Yes, but if you’re more physically limited you need to reduce the challenge to light weight. As you build coordination you can increase the weight and how long you do it. The pendulum would likely be the most difficult for those feeling physically limited.
Developed elbow pain from suitcase carries over time
thanks a lot, i am looking for these exercises to replace the bad side bending. You make my day
You’re welcome 🤗
I am doing side bends for 10 years . Great excersise for core .
If you said you were the middle brother of Greg McElroy and the dude who runs the bright insight channel, I'd believe it. Great video!
That’s a deep take - havent heard those yet! 😅
This has got to be one of the best videos I’ve seen related to exercise in a very long time
Thank you! I hoped it helped you understand WHY this exercise is overrated and there are more effective options that have functional carry over, i.e., mimics activities we do in daily life.
Great video. Thanks a lot!
Thanks!
Well side bends are pretty much THE best exc. for the obliques srcs: boeckh and buskies 2000
Calling them stupid bc they dont train the core is like calling curls stupid bc they dont train the back.
So the massage "Ditch the Side Bends and start training your obliques and core the SMART way!" makes no sense at all.
Pls correct me if I am wrong.
When you understand how the core works, like I explain, it makes complete sense. You can’t isolate the internal and external obliques, nor any muscle for that aspect. The brain’s motor planning is based on movement not individual muscles. Your brain doesn’t know what an “oblique” is - we’ve named them that. The internal and external obliques are oriented diagonally and are primarily for controlling rotation and anti-rotation, so using a side bend to “target” them is only relative. And there’s little functional carry over (when do you isolate side bending to do anything in life?), so only useful for bodybuilding. If you said you were doing side bends to “strengthen the QL” that would make more sense, but even then there are better functional exercises out there.
Well, curls are stupid if you’re trying to train the back with them, bc I don’t know how you would do that 😂
@@Reachrehabchiro i guess there is misunderstanding. I wasn’t talking about core strength. I was talking about training a muscle by putting load on it in its stretched position. Which is scientifically prove the best why to stimulate it to growth. The curls/back metaphor was just a joke mocking ur statement. Sorry for the misunderstanding. English isn’t my first language.
I came across your video by looking for exercises for the obliques (bodybuilding) and I understand that this isn’t the topic of the video. And I get what you are trying to tell. But you state things that aren’t true. And for someone who isn’t really into bodybuilding your statements might be misleading.
Do you get what I’m trying to say - sorry it’s hard to find the right words
I’m speaking to general population teaching functional movement, not bodybuilders. If that wasn’t clear I’ll make sure to specify more clearly next time.
@@ReachrehabchiroI don’t think you understand how the core works 😂. Probably been watching too much SquatU. Since it’s all about “training smarter” why not replace all 3 of these worthless exercises with a suitcase deadlift? Accomplishes the same thing while also working several other body parts.
A suitcase deadlift is a progression of the suitcase carry - they’re based on the same principle…So, don’t really understand your argument.
My body really upset everyday..thank for your enlightenment.
You’re welcome
I try to have a decent golf swing and that requires some, or even a lot of side bend. How would I train this? Just the same way?
Yep, I'm not young - 64 - trying to move a bit smoother... Having a bit of a problem to not "stand up" in the back and forward swing.
Thanks for the excersises.
You bring up a good point. Proper side bend and hip drive is a swing technique that requires good hip mobility to pull off. Loss of posture is typically the result of poor hips mobility/control (other things too). Simply doing a side bend exercise wont solve this as the golf swing has an interconnected “whip” effect where each region affects the other, e.g., poor trunk rotation can cause reverse spine angle and chicken winging swing faults.
Here’s a good video for you: ruclips.net/video/M0nnnVwj434/видео.htmlsi=IN2n25IcbaOZsAox
Thanks!
Welcome!
Watching this video after hurting my disks after this horrible exercise first time.
Misinformation. Horrible video.
How so? Typically, if you don’t agree with something you pose an argument.
@@Reachrehabchiro1:30 to 2:00 is bullshit. Your core is designed to both stabilised AND to help you perform loaded rotate movements from swinging an axe to making a punch and many more. You just lie or missinform others.
@@lprafalic yuup, what he says is so utterly idiotic from the 1:30 mark i cannot fathom how this man got to where he is, someone should send this idiot to a boxing gym.
@@lprafalic I rewatched that part and I said they are for “rotating and anti-rotating.” i.e., controlling rotation. And is exercise 3 not controlling rotation? So, not sure where the misinformation is. Happy to have a discussion as the devil is in the details but please be respectful with your comments. Thanks.
@@johncasarino5627 Happy to have a discussion if you’re respectful. I believe there’s a misunderstanding and what I said taken out of context - this video is specifically about why there are better core exercises than a side bend and how to do them. There’s no argument in name calling.