Drummer reacts to "VietNam" & "Not So Sweet Martha Lorraine" by Country Joe & The Fish
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- Опубликовано: 20 авг 2024
- Thank you to our alpha patron Joel for this BANGING Woodstock video... another one off the list! Eventually we will do EVERY Woodstock video that is on youtube. I just feel it in my bones. This was excellent. What a performance and that crowd was amazing. The second song was of course better instrumentally but overall the woodstock video was my favorite :)
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Loving the protest songs and the 60’s tunes. What a time to be alive. The horror was outpaced only by the hope. Would love to feel that hope today!
That's what I was talking about in the review section. We need hope these days but it's so hard to find
The 60s are coming back. American patriots are organizing against Trump.
@@L33Reacts I’m new but have you listened to Woodstock by Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young? A story of Woodstock.
@@nancy9891 I did! Hold on ill find a link
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FYI Joe was a vet. Knows from what he speaks.
@johnshahbazz
I think that might have been the time he told us that he was a veterinarian, fixing the great wooly mammoths until they all went extinct.
Didn’t like the 2nd song at all. But the Vietnam Song was a hard act to follow !
500,000 people estimated at Woodstock!
A half of a million people all gathered for 3 days without violence.
That can't happen nowadays.
EVERYBODY knew those lyrics by heart.
I haven't heard Sweet Lorraine in decades
.I loved it all over again
This song...one, two three what are we fighting for? Remember there was a draft. Kids without money or connections had no choice.
yes as the lyrics state"I aint no senators son"
The year my number came up they abolished the draft. But my dad was a honcho in the Pentagon and I probably would have just ended up commuting to work with him.
And they couldn't vote until age 21. You could die for an undeclared war for your country , but you couldn't vote. Screw that sh*t. or you could get out of the draft if your old man was rich, and could pay a doctor to claim you have bone spurs in your feet, and then become President someday by spreading lies to the ignorant masses.
He said 300,000. It was closer to half a million!
Yeah, but only 300,000 of them were Mother F___ers!
VIETNAM = profound lyrics that still ring true today
Absolutely. Simple, direct, and powerful.
@@L33Reacts When I bought this album (woodstock) the beginning of this song....give me a F......my mother came in the bedroom and yelled "WHAT ARE YOU GIVES LISTENING TO ?" My brother was drafted to Nam, but I was in the lottery and my number was picked too high to be drafted
I saw Country Joe perform for free in People’s Park in Berkeley…was fantastic!❤
Happy 30th B-Day. I remember having one of those in the old days.
Thank you!! 😊
@@L33Reacts 30 , Your too Old Now Bud
in the 60's is was Never Trust a Person Over 30 , HA HA Your OLD!!!
Peace OOT EH
I sang with Country Joe in Golden Gate park at a 1981 San Fransisco SMOKEOUT
I did not expect that second Coumtry Joe song to be so darn good! Another example of great music being lost to time and/or obscured by one iconic band moment, in this case at Woodstock. Thank you Joel for suggesting both tunes!
You’re welcome!
Barry “The Fish “ Melton on lead guitar. He, along with Jorma Kaukonen ( from Jefferson Airplane) and John Cippolina ( from Quicksilver Messenger Service) , helped define the San Francisco guitar sound.
Oh no shit jorma was here? And we've done a quicksilver track too actually. That's awesome
Don’t forget Mr. Garcia and Carlos! 😉
@@tommathews3964 , for sure! I’m a long time Deadheads. I think that Jerry’s sound is unique. Santana’s playing is incredible, too, but it doesn’t really have the same feel as a lot of the other S.F. guitarists. Just my opinion, though.
Hell of a time to be young and to be an American. There was a mood and an atmosphere that I don't think has ever been repeated since mid-seventies. Country Joe was one of a kind. He was one of us and by. Us. I mean the first generation of long-haired young people. Hippies, of course. Back in 69 I got within about 5 miles of Woodstock but i left too late that day from Jersey and by the time i got within 5 miles, they had closed the New York thruway. I've probably got 3 or 4 things that I could think back on and regret, and of that little group, not making it there to Woodstock that weekend is one of them. Heavy sigh.....
if everyone who said they went to woodstock actually went the entire world would have been there! LOL
I'm sorry you didnt get to go my friend.
I haven't heard this since I was a child in the 70's but I'm singing along!
Country Joe gets my vote for coolest dude in the 1960’s.
"GIMME AN "F" !!"
In 1969, Country Joe and the Fish were an up and coming band with a promising career ahead of them.
Then, in one fell stroke, with the utterance of those words "Country" Joe McDonald ended that career prematurely.
When the record labels caught wind of that chant, they refused flat out to have anything more to do with Country Joe and the Fish.
To his credit, though, on that day Country Joe became a F%CKING LEGEND!
This is the second song that I can now cross off my request list.
He may have screwed their career but they became immortal in the process. Isn't that interesting. 😁
Be the first one on your block to have your boy come home in a box! and it's 1-2-3 what are we fighting for?
After watching the "Woodstock" movie for the first time, in college in the late 70's, the "I Feel Like I'm Fixin' To Die Rag" was one of the segments of the movie I remembered the most, a lot because of the little bouncing ball and the on screen lyrics. Then I realized that was one guy with a borrowed guitar, held up by a piece of rope, in front of 300-400,000 people. WOW!!!
Great take! BTW, half a million hippies (myself included) were at Woodstock
The rough estimates I've seen are 500,000 people at Woodstock. It was a city on a country farm. We were a very strong generation. Most had to walk a large part of the way in because the freeway literally became a parking lot
Another one of my all-time favorite San Francisco bands. I had a lot of their albums.
Country Joe for president!
"Gimme an F" what an intro to a superb Anti-war song. Country Joe & the Fish are legendary. Sadly, people are still fighting all over our world.
One of the first songs that politicised me in the sixties. Me and my friends still play it in pubs and it’s a guaranteed singalong monster. More relevant than ever!
That album cover says it all, electric music for mind and body.
Such a great Woodstock video. To see all those young people respond and get to their feet to join in the song. Goosebumps.
Love both songs. He was ahead of his time, even in the sixties.
The "I Feel Like I'm Fixin' to Die Rag" (the original title of VietNam) was based on a Louis Armstrong recording from 1926 called Muskrat Ramble.
I heard someone who owned the rights to that song sued him and lost. She had to reimburse him $300+ grand for his legal fees. She waited too long to sue, the judge said. This was either in the '90s or early 2000's.
Never heard the second song before. A whole different side of Country Joe.
Then you really don't know C J and the Fish.
Yep...teenage boys turning 18 were scared they would be drafted. People talked about moving to Canada to avoid it. It was bad. My older brother was scared. Fortunately for him and us, they stopped the draft just at the same time he was becoming eligible.
My step brother went to Canada. He still lives there.
Yup. I was in the final draft lottery. Not drafted, thank God. Canadá was my option.
We had lots of dodgers & deserters come here to Toronto during the draft. Being a war protester at the time, I was empathetic towards them, but age has taught me to also value & thank the men & women who gave their service/lives for their country.
I remember that fear.
My parents were scared for me, and their fear trickled down to me. However, I was just a few years too young, so in reality had nothing to worry about, unless the war had continued to drag on...
Even so, as soon as I was out of high school, every branch of the armed services soon filled my mailbox.
@CharCanuck14 - yeah...I was too young to really understand the whole thing. I just didn't want my brother to have to go. But I do now appreciate the sacrifice of those who did. It was a terrible time.
Country Joe MacDonald and his Fish were pretty much my introduction to American psychedelic music in 1967. That first album was incredible. I was an impressionable teenager and loved it! Barry Melton on guitar was perfect for this band.
Back when saying "f**k" into a mike was rare
when I was in 5th grade we got this record and a record player. A playground full of little kids, screaming at the lunch ladies, "What does it spell? F---, F---, F---" etc.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY LEE....30 years old! Welcome to the 'over the hill' club...lol j/k
Hey hey watch that 😉
Lead guitarist Barry Melton became a lawyer and got involved in politics in CA.
Music has POWER!
Another great song by Country Joe - Hold On It’s Coming. Thanks to Joel and Lee for this, loved the reaction!
There were actually 500,000 people at Woodstock.
That was the spirit of '69, the fish chant and the Vietnam song, I was lucky to be in the UK and not in danger of being drafted, but I understood what was going on.
i wish that spirit would come back. most protesters these days put down the signs and go back home and do stuff against what they were protesting for. people are desperate for purpose and they are barking up all the wrong trees. they have no idea.
@@L33Reacts It was a lot more real when you could get a draft letter arrive, then you get your head shaved, and then be sent to Vietnam to be shot at in an actual jungle.
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Iris Dement wrote a great protest song in 1996 called 'Wasteland of the Free'.
She got so many death threats and heavy negative reactions that she had to lay low for a long while.
I was also surprised to hear that CSN&Y got death threats for 'Ohio' when it came out. But at that time, the hippies outnumbered the conservatives.
My 2 fav Fish tunes! Joel is a star!!!
I always played TheFishCheer (Vietnam) at Woodstock to my uni students, and made them sing along much louder than you did Lee.
the Vietnam song is pretty powerful... it's always been how powerful for me , anyway
The song of my generation. I live North of San Francisco, Country Joe still lives in Berkeley I believe, he at least until a few years ago. performered around the area. He has also given concerts to benefit the Vets.
I saw Country Joe (opening I think for John Prine?) once in Northampton, MA in the mid/late 80's. Both were wonderful. I was pleasantly surprised to discover that Country Joe did more than novelty songs; pretty gifted lyricist and musician. The Woodstock album was in my living room when I was growing up, so this was one of many counterculture songs that helped shape my identity and political orientation.
Love 60s sound ❤
I was up for the draft at that time. My mother said she would send me to Canada if I got drafted. She felt that since her father and my dad had both been in the "big" wars she would not chance losing her son. Fortunately, the birthday lottery was instituted, and my number was 324, so no chance of going. The lottery was instituted as a way to try to defuse the anti-war movement. It didn't really help.
jesus what a shit show. all over nothing in the end and we left with a black eye the size of Kansas. and millions dead. what a joke.
You were lucky. My number was 10.
Yes!!! Country Joe and the Fish!
Happy Birthday 😊
Btw, when you listen to the words in the 2nd song more closely I wonder if you see that Lorraine is not a person. That's my take.
I think back to their song JANIS that Joe wrote for Janis Joplin about Joe and Janis’s past love affair. Such a beautiful song
These are the 2 commercial radio hits. The balance of their 1st 2 lps are the peak of psychedelia along with Bathing At Baxters, etc. Thanks dude.
Glad you enjoyed Rich. I'm gonna have to check out some more
👍🏻👍🏻 Excellent choices.
Classic
Estimates of how many people attended the 1969 Woodstock Music and Art Fair in Bethel, New York range from 400,000 to 500,000 people:
LBJ and Nixon were not fans of this one.
"...what are we fighting for?"
58,000 Americans killed.
What was gained?
$$$$
My cousin was one of the 58,000. Died 11 days before his 21st birthday💔
@@leannmiller7153
My condolences. RIP -
a lot of work for stone masons in Washington DC to build a memorial wall for the glory of war and death and destruction.
It was WOODSTOCK ! There were more than 450,000 in the audience.
AND most were against the war
Not so Sweet Martha Lorraine has a live version from Monterey Pop, June 1967
Was overseas during Woodstock
'Feel-like-im-fixin-to Die-rag'.... AKA The Fish Cheer
One of the all time great albums, you definitely need to hear Porpoise Mouth, Superbird...actually the whole thing. We have a super efficient bad news delivery system right now, definitely does make things look hopeless to many. As someone who has lived through those times and these I can attest, they were damned grim back then. We decide
Dylan's "Masters of War" would be a great follow-up to Country Joe.
Especially the version with Eddie Vedder from Dylan's 30th anniversary concert. There is an interview on Utube with Robbie Robertson and Levon Helm, of The Band, Robertson here is what Robbie said "then here comes the sixites, war, assasinations, civil rigths, and the music started to reflect what young people were feeling. So tru.
Also, “Masters of War” by Mountain featuring Ozzy Osborne takes that song to another intense level.
The Fish cheer sure hit home back then. Haven’t heard Sweet Martha Lorraine in at least 50 years, now have to add it to some playlists. Thanks!
@@UFOS4 I will listen to it, but not an Ozzy Osborne fan. I remember the song from the sixties, song by Pete Seeger, which was always my favorite version, but have to say Eddie Vedder does a really good job.
I vote for checking out the original first. Just voice and acoustic guitar. An unrelenting performance.
The Vietnam song was so strong at that time BECAUSE it was FORCED military service. Thanks to that revolution of the young generation, YOU now have a volunteer military service. You're welcome.
I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY, Thank you to the young, always make sure your voices are heard. You guys could and change the world
Ahh! Barry Melton; one of the great unsung guitar players of the rock era
Never called the other just fish cheer
More like 400,000 - 500,000 largest gathering at that time
Watkins Glen. ny about 5-6 hundred thousands
The Band , The Dead, and Allman Bros
I was at that one in ‘74, mine bending experience
Peace!
Section 43 is a powerful psychedelic instrumental by them performed at Monterey, also Grace, Sad and Lonely Times Rock and Soul Music, Streets Of Your Town, Here I Go Again, It's So Nice To Have Love are some great tracks by this band.
Go down this deep rabbit hole with mostly non radio play songs. Great stuff! Several more political and war protest songs in there. Some very deep songs, about famous people including Janis Joplin and LBJ. Music is always great From these guys.
The draft was horrific!!!! It must never happen again...
Oh, and The Return of Sweet Lorraine is my favorite. Country Joe bummed a ciggie off of me just before their set and he loved my name-- it's Sweet Lorraine!
You should listen to the studio version of Feelin' like I'm Fixin' to Die Rag. It's done in rag time with some calliope thrown in as well as the entire band. Not to mention whoopie whistles and kazoos. I think you might like it.
Exquisite sarcasm
you know hearing the girls giggling in the background
right at the time you were talking about mothers sending off their sons to die for no reason... really kind of puts it in perspective doesn't it
It really does 😪 I wish the world would fix itself, but it's not. We're the ones who have to put in the work... but it's all for naught most times it feels like 😪
@@L33Reacts I always tell my young adult children and try to have set the example as well.. to keep the faith and to still believe that one person can make a difference but I'm starting to wonder if that is fading these days in the US 😥
Yes. Seen them 4 times at least. Chicken causing trouble, late to his kit Joe & Berry hit some sweet licks.
There was a draft, all those young men could be called to serve. There were about half a million people at Woodstock, so yeah he said 300,000.
'Vietnam', previously aka 'Fish Cheer/I-Feel-Like-I'm-Fixing-to-Die Rag.' See also from Woodstock 'Rock'n'Soul Music' and their clip I don't recall the name of from 'Monterey Pop.'
Revolutionary, sorta. Revolution didn' happ'n. Sorta sat back and got higher or leaned in and got richer. Eventually. Probably. Or improbably. 😊❤
Check out "Earth Music" by "The Youngbloods".
All I can say is the Loraine song was really DELICIOUS but then it's just a case of another band jumpin' on the Psychedelic Bandwagon sometimes it works other times not so much but the feel like I'm fixin'to die is Legendary
The draft was a lottery. If your number sucked a lot of guys I know joined the Navy or Coast guard for a better fate rather than being drafted.
Now, unless I missed it, you need to listen to Arlo Guthrie's Alice's Restaurant... different vibe, but same message protesting the Viet Nam war.
We're waiting for November to request that one! ~_^
@@HareDeLune my old favorite radio station used to play it at noon & 4PM every Thanksgiving! Everything stopped, at one of those times, for everybody to sing along. Now that the station is strictly corporate programming, we play it on our own. Unmissable tradition!
@@lisavalentine8877
That's awesome!
Voice of protest
Hate the war not the warrior
always, brother.
Without warriors, there would be no war. None of us HAD to go to VN. I & several of my friends declined Uncle Sam's invitation and paid the consequences. Blanket statements are easy; would you have the same respect as a German in the 40s for the Nazi, Wermacht and SS soldiers & officers returning from Poland, France, Czechoslovakia, et al? They were "Servicemen" defending their country & way of life, yes? If you open a can of political worms here, please examine the contents and persue the matter. Having said that, as a retired musician (or drummer, which musicians allow to hang out with them**) playing in San Francisco & Colorado during this time, it warms my heart & sparks my soul to see you (& your generation) listening and reacting to the music & zeitgeist of my generation's time -- pls continue! 💯💚💛❤️💙🧡🩵💚🤎🖤🩶💜🩷✌️)
What's that spell?
that chant was legendary. I bet that was a first. lol
@@L33Reacts It was so much fun putting the speakers in the windows. I don't know how my parents put up with it. Hahaha!
When I was in high school the army took almost the all .18 year seniors and placed them into into army busses
Give their psych-instrumental "Section 43" off the same album a spin. However, try to find the EP version off the Rhino San Francisco 4-disk set that came out in 2007. Or try the live performance from the Monterey Pop film.
There were "The Beatles" -- optimism, joy, _joie de vivre._
And there was US involvement in Vietnam and the draft.
duality, baby.
@@L33Reacts The tension between the two -- how wonderful it would have been if the Vietnam and draft part of it hadn't existed -- was near-unbearable.
Should see Dick Cavett s talk show "Day After Woodstock" with David Crosby, Stephen Stills, and Jefferson Airplane...After Volunteers...they hijacked the show with an instrumental so Cavett couldn't end the show
FYI the band was on acid for this gig believe it or not…also, that first album was always the corner stone of psychedelic popular music in the sixties for me.
Haven't heard that protest song in ages. Sadly, the baby boom gave them the cannon fodder for their folly. No more draft.
I lived in a small town of about 2,500 people and three of our guys died in Vietnam- it sucked
I thought Nixon was out to kill me personally. Country Joe was a must listen on acid. He got it.
If you really want to piss people off tell all the young men they have to register for the draft. I was worried all way through high school that in I was going to draw a low # in the lottery. Luckily when I turned 18 in 71 they were only taking kids with pretty low #s and I had a shredded knee from a skiing accident. I doubt we'll ever see a draft again unless things really turn to shit
Their song, Janis, is about Janis Joplin. They also have a song about Grace Slick, aptly titled Grace. They are both great songs. My favorite, though, is Bass Strings. For me, it’s one of the most psychedelic songs ever.
i'm down to check out more for from them. this was a great intro to joe.
The biggest irony, the North Vietnamese helped us in fighting the Japanese in ww2.
we were so scared of the domino effect we sent a whole generation to go die in the jungle. a death that was probably horrific. it saddens me to no end we are continue to make money off of war all around the world
☮️💙💙💙🔥🔥😎
You've watched a lot of clips of the Woodstock movie by now. Maybe you should just watch the whole thing through?
it would be blocked sadly. anything with over 4 copyright claims will get blocked for a month immediately. thats why i always do "4 song bundles" from an album. if i did 5 it would be blocked, no matter what.
@@L33Reacts What if you did it as just a treat for yourself?
Says the lead guitar player is Barry Melton - I would have sworn that was Jorma - and this certainly sounds like an Airplane tune.
The lineup I was referring to in this video was for the second song I believe... I didn't have the woodstock line up, up. Lol
@@L33Reacts I didnt hear what you said - I saw other comments about Melton & looked up Sweet Lorraine on the internet. Now I have a rabbit hole to go down to learn about Melton...
The band had what I think was the most harrowing anti-war protest song, called, “Untitled Protest Song”. Also, “Electric Music For the Mind and Body” is a great album. Play Bass Strings or any of them.
run on through the jungle by ccr
Check out P McCartney's I Wanna Cry recorded in 1987, simple but great blues song. He does a great guitar. Available on youtube
Country Joe was the boyfriend of Janis Joplin🤘
The best thing about the 1960’s was that people Finally started telling the truth about these money making wars! And war lost its Romantic Propaganda fight! Hell no, we won’t go! was the mantra of those years. Too bad it didn’t last. I’m guessing a lot of those people went in to become a part of the population that profited from war and grew into the “greed is good” club. Ugh!
React to Janis Joplin live at Woodstock