Did Matthew Quote Scripture Out of Context?
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- The short answer: yes, definitely. So, let's look at the passages that back up this claim!
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Here in CT on December 14, 2012 at Sandy Hook Elementary school, 20 Kindergarten children and 6 teachers lost their lives in a horrible massacre. On the anniversary every year, I quote Jeremiah 31:15. 😢 They would all be seniors this year...😢 I couldn't think of a better verse to articulate the grief and anguish of helplessly watching children be murdered. That verse is so powerful.
@@riley02192012 I will never forget that tragedy. I remember the day distinctly and remember talking about it with the Dean of Faculty. Senseless pain and loss. I hadn’t stopped to think about where they’d be in their schooling….
Thank you for speaking up.
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Isn't scripture quoted very deliberately out of context the entire basis for Christian theology? As I understand it, Jewish theologians of the time liked to treat all quotes from OT prophets as only incidentally related to their original application, but more significantly expressing (in concert with all other quotes) some higher truth discoverable only by esoteric analysis. Didn't Christian theologians consider the quotes as, exactly, Jesus's words expressed prior to his incarnation? Paul and 1 Clement seem to use them that way.
There is a lot in the OT as you're probably aware that describe, foretell, etc. Jesus. Many really interesting things such as starting with the first and last letters in the middle of Genesis 1:1, the geneology line name meanings, and many fulfillments and references of the OT in the NT. I would like to be more specific but I would need to gather them all, as I don't have every detail in memory, but i will post later.
@@AllegraPersephone the people who WROTE your OT say that it has nothing to do with jesus. How presumptuous to tell other people what THEIR religious text means.
The people who wrote it? You mean people from thousands of years ago? When did they say that?
And the OT and the NT are Christian's religious texts. And you don't even need to be any particular religion to own, read, and interpret ANY book.... Anything else?
@@AllegraPersephone You mean christians stole the OT from the people who WROTE it which is a completely different religion. Notice who you ignored the point about the people who wrote the OT? They know what it means. You don't.
BTW jesus was thousands of years ago lol. Nice demonstration of self-awareness.
If the one from Isaiah 7 was about Jesus, wouldn't that mean that he would have not known "to choose what is right" at the start of the universe, since those kingdoms definitely didn't fall before then?
Isaiah (savior sun) chapter 7, sets out from the beginning of the year at the spring equinox. Ahaz, the Sun's ecliptic, is the king of Judah, or the first four months of the year. Rezin (delight) is also king of Judah. Pekah (open-eyed = summer solstice) is king of Israel, or the four months, July, August, September, October. He is the son of Remaliah (the Sun adorns = the flowers of spring), because he follows spring. These Rezin and Pekah) went toward Jerusalem (summer solstice), but didn't take it, because they didn't get there, a very good reason, certainly!
However, David (the Sun), on being told that Syria (spring) and Ephraim (fruits = autumn) were confederate against him, was badly scared, for his heart moved as the trees before the wind. The signs of the zodiac were so many trees, which moved as the Sun moved, but in an opposite direction. The Lord (Jahveh) told Isaiah (savior-Sun) to go forth (from the spring equinox) with his son, Shear-jashub (returning-remnant = Libra and Scorpio, two of Israel's children yet above the horizon at sunrise) to meet Ahaz at the upper pool (the former rain, which came on when the Sun entered Scorpio) and tell him not to fear for, or because of, the two tails (ends) of these smoking firebrands (the two warm seasons). No matter if they (Syria and the son of Remaliah = Pekah) did take evil counsel against thee and try to set up a king in the midst of Judah - even the son (Scorpio) of Tabeal (the good Ram). For the Lord-God (Jehovah-Adoni = Sun at the fall equinox) saith it shall not stand, nor shall it come to pass. For the head (beginning) of Syria (spring) is Damascus (the East), and the head of Damascus is Rezin (delight), i.e., spring begins at the eastern equinox, and the season is one of delight. But yet it (Ephraim) within 65 years (days) shall be broken "from a people" (marginal reading), i.e., the season will be over half gone. Again: The head of Ephraim (spring) is Samaria (winter), and the head of Samaria is Remaliah's son = Pekah (summer), taken retrospectively. If you don't believe, it's your own fault (v. 9).
Damascus aka new beginnings, marks the beginning of the sacred year/world at the spring equinox with the pass over from winter.
@@harveywabbit9541 shut up! This is a textual criticism channel. It isn't an evangelize for whatever the hell you believe channel. And you didn't even answer my question.
This is from Wikipedia. I was initially going to search for Nazareth in Hebrew and look for other names that might have been used in Hebrew, Aramaic or whatever, but this seems ok.
Hebrew Netzer
One view holds that the name 'Nazareth' is derived from one of the Hebrew words for 'branch', namely ne·ṣer, נֵ֫צֶר, and alludes to the prophetic, messianic words in Book of Isaiah 11:1: "from (Jesse's) roots a Branch [netzer] will bear fruit"
Context is subjective. I don't know how many times people have said to me that something is out of context, when they clearly don't understand even one of the many meanings. Literalism is called the letter that ki*ls, but the Spirit gives life. The patriarchal church, just like the Pharisees, laid up heavy burdens on people, and wouldn't lift a finger to help. They wouldn't enter (the kingdom) themselves, and prevented those who wished to enter. They created a system where people were not improved by religion, but were made to see it as transactional. Scapegoating an animal for their sins. Money in the plate, indulgencies, vain repetitious chants, and human intermediaries called Rabbi and Father. Jesus was critical of all of this.
I watch a lot of different people with different beliefs and perspectives. I appreciate everyone, and I'm not someone who thinks everyone must think and believe the same thing. Though I do have a baseline that belief in God or a willingness to seek God is fundamental. As for the Bible stories, there isn't a need to be critical because it is what it is. The thing is a lot of people don't know what it is. Of course analysis is great, and finding differences in different texts, and parallels and synchronicities, deeper truths and meaning, symbolism, allegory, numerics, astrology, etc. All important if one is in the pursuit of truth, knowledge, wisdom, beauty. But to truly understand you have to apply it to yourself. Who are you in the story? What does coming out of Egypt mean for you in your life? What does it mean to you if someone is trying to k*ll your inner child? What is your realationship with God? And so on.
Very thorough. Thanks.
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I would argue that the Isaiah 7 passage is not taken out of context, but its context is what Matthew is telling his audience, "Things may look bad now, but a large power will soon be your real problem." In Isaiah, things look bad, but will get far worse. The author of Matthew may be referring to the Roman destruction of Jerusalem or the later Kochba rebellion.
I think often the OT is quoted FOR its context, rather than OUT of context.
The question is: is Matthew trying to trick his audience, or is his audience highly educated on these passages and would infer his meaning based on their original context. If Greek Mimesis is in play, for example, this type of hinting at the original would be expected.
Again, Jeremiah's Ramah wailing prophecy is specifically about the fall of Jerusalem, which I would argue was the central purpose of writing the gospels. (Jeremiah and Jesus of Nazareth were both rejected by their hometowns 40 years before the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple. Jesus son of Nun and Jeremiah were both rejected for their message 40 years before the king of Jerusalem was killed). Taken as literature about the fall of Jerusalem, the Jeremiah quote is meant to bring in its actual context (586 BCE) to speak about the fall of Jerusalem in 70 CE.
@@StorytimeJesus The Isaiah 7 passage is being semi-quoted and reworded to say something about the birth of a child.
@@JenniferBirdPhD thanks!
You shouldn't concern yourself with matters than are too great for you to understand especially since you haven't studied to show yourself aproved by GOD not man.
You can expect anything out of Matthew, especially since he gets his name from the engorged phallus.
@@sf55514 But I have shown myself to be approved by MANY women. 😉😊
You shouldn't concern yourself with matters that are too great for you to understand, such as the difference between textual criticism and theology
You need study to see if the heterodox was approved by God ??
A virgin that gives birth to man-child is not the most heterosexual way to bring children into the world. some might believe Rome's LGBTQ had a man-child it was a miracle ?