I had a set of Nitto Terra Grapplers and always had a “shimmy” around 55mph and finally got rid of them for a set of Pro Comps MTZ. 2011 Tundra with a 6” lift. Like your videos very informational
terry218e Thank you, I appreciate it. This is the first set of Terra Grapplers that I have owned. I’m pretty satisfied with them. That doesn’t mean the next set won’t disappoint though.
You will find that the large tires do impact your speedometer reading. But . . . it will show you that your mileage is actually better than you think it is. The large tires go maybe 3% farther than the stock tires do per revolution. So your mpg is likely .5 mpg better than you think.
You should have talked about offset on the wheels some, that plays a big part into clearance of a bigger tire. Also, I believe a good set of upper arms should be around $500. Installation probably another 2.
Just had 5.29 Nitro Gears installed on my 2019 Tundra. It has a 2.5” lift and running 35” tires. Was very tired of feeling like I was constantly hauling around a trailer because of the weight & size of the tires. I almost went back to stock size but ended up having the gears installed and so glad I did. Now it feels like it did the day I bought. Holds 6th gear like it never did before. I can tell by the exhaust note that the engine isn’t struggling like it did before and always changing gears. If you plan on keeping your tundra and you’re running larger tires, do yourself a favor and go for it. Almost like getting a new truck all over again, way more fun to drive.
I am on my fifth Tundra. My current one is a 4 X 4 2019 mega cab. This truck came with michelin all terrain tires and I replaced @50K miles and they still had tread. All my other Tundras came with BFG GoodWrich TA'S and wore out at 35K. Big difference in price and longevity. Yesterday I raced a Fox body Mustang that was pretty well tuned. He got the hit on me but I was catching up before I hit the speed limiter. I need to call DAP tuninging for a remote tune. Been there done that and it was a completely different truck!
Consider next set of tires 11.8 wide rather than 12.5 wide, 34 tall, 295-70-18 They'll wear better and give better traction in mud and or snow Give you little safety clearance too.
I just put 275/65r20's KO2's on my 2007 Tundra. That's roughly a 34" tire. 2.25" bilstein shock lift in the front to level. No rubbing at all. I could probably go a size bigger but it looks and rides perfect. I don't have a front skid plate.
If you take off the upper factory air box, you will see it has a carbon screen filter. Take a soldering iron and melt off the plastic welded rivets. This will give you 1 mpg improvement with a high flow filter (K&N, etc.) The induction sound and throttle response is noticeable.
Wow!! That is close in the front. I’m surprised it doesn’t rub on heavy bumps in the road. Looking forward to your speed test...I’m guessing you’re 3-4mph off at 65 and above🤔
I think a 295/70r18 is perfect for that size lift, but will require a body mount chop, depending on the offset of wheel. Also you should install an inline speedo calibrator running 35’s. I ran 295’s for 20k miles and ended up going back to a 33. Drives, brakes, accelerates, wheels (better articulation off-road) better mpg’s. Lots of benefits.
I have 35” trail grapplers on 18” wheels with a zero degree offset. 3.5” rough country lift kit. Had to trim body mount and front fenderwell a good amount. The uneven wear is due to the factory spec on the truck is a positive camber. Even with the upper control Arms replaced factory alignment keeps as close as possible to factory steering. I had to remount my tires to get more even wear out of them. Hope this helps
Would let's say you have mud tires on would you be able to off road without rubbing and what about your gears? How does the truck feel compared to 33s?
I never ran 33’s on this truck. I would def say that with the 35’s and only doing a 3.5” lift that they will def rub while off roading. They sometimes rub if i make a sharp turn. 33’s would prob be better. It also has to do with the offset of the wheel. A negative offset will make the rubbing worse. When I put 1.5” spacers on i had to trim more of the body mounts.
@@erikhoreis9229 I see, so keeping the offset like zero offset is best when going to bigger tires. I run 33s with a negative 18 offset for the stance but I can see why negative offset can increase rubbing makes perfect sense.
@@erikhoreis9229 I have the 3.5 RC bolt on and I love it, I think it's a good balance of clearance and functionality plus its also bolt on/not permanent but the 6inch lift is tempting
Marco- I have the same RC kit. It’s great. My 35’s didn’t really rub until I spaced them out for the look and stance as well. With the 2” fender flares I installed, the tires stick out about 1.5” still. It looks wide and mean. Looks great.
This may sound stupid, but that’s because it is, so I say light up the rear for a second to knock the glaze of road grime off, rotate tires, then do the same with the fronts on the rear, should help with the slick feeling, had a set of 10ply on a ranger and noticed the same thing and it worked enough for me
The reason your tires will wear uneven is because you had a so many miles on them prior to addressing the issue, put new rubbers on and align it again.. youll notice better wear patterns. once a tire wears a certain way itll keep wearing that way your friendly tire wholesale salesman
Ya I mean once it starts it'll keep going unfortunately, because the pressure across the tire will still be even so technically they're wearing "straight"
Gear Runner 100% correct. If the tire starts a wear pattern then it’s impossible to stop it. I also sell tires for a living and many people have the same problem on lofted trucks because they wait so long to align them. I’d recommend an alignment once a year and every time you replace tires 👍🏼 I just bought my 2018 tundra this past week and was debating on 33s and 35s so your videos have been a huge help.
George Porreca I had mine aligned as soon as I got new tires. Still wears on the outer edge. If you get an alignment to “spec” should it be to “spec” after you’ve lifted and put after market rims and tires? Does “spec” mean factory conditions? shouldn’t The alignment change if you lift, rims, tires etc?
You could do a body mount chop (BMC) that would buy a little more room and move away from the all terrain tires. I guess it all depends how you use the truck, but the 35s really look good. Thanks for sharing you experience.
hornshwangler Thank you. I have thought about that. If I did that I would want to weld a piece of the chopped off part. The place that does it here doesn’t do that so I’ve been a little iffy on it.
@@gearrunner Yep, that's the way to do it. There's a channel, 88ROTORS, that specializes in BMCs and does a really fine job. You can see some of their work by searching for BMC on their channel.
I got 35"×12.5"×17". Custom BMC, cut, plate welded, grind cleaned, painted. Front bumper spacer .5" clearance and rolled the front inner fender with heat gun (no cutting inner fender)... no rubbing at all at full articulation.
Im picking my 2010 double cab long box with 35x12.50x20 rims and tires and I expected to get less mileage im already looking for factory rims that I can throw a set of road tires on so I dont burn up a set of 1200 dollar tires driving back n forth to work everyday n keep the bigger tires for when i go in the woods
You have to rotate your tires every 3,000-5,000 miles front to back and across and your tires will last for a long time as well as having less problems with vibration on steering wheel
You can fit 35 inch tires on a stock tundra with no lift, obviously trimming is required, if you have even just have a 3 inch leveling kit in the front and if you do not move the location of your alignment you’ll have to do the body mount chop, depending on your wheel backspacing and offset, but if you push your alignment forward towards the front bumper you do not have to touch the body mount with 35s but you will have to use a heat gun and push the inner fender in and mold it with more curve. you can even use zip ties to help hold it while it molds, hence why yours is removed. In some cases you’ll even trim the bottom part of the bumper closest to the front of the tire. now if you go 37‘s you’re definitely going to need to do the body mount chop.
I run 35/12.5/R17 (17" wheels). I have a suspension lift (not level or bracket, but a pure suspension lift) of 3 inches front and 1 inch rear. There was some trimming and a body mount chop. I still have my front fender molding.
I got an alignment when I had a new set of tires installed, but they screwed up and chewed through front tires really quick, went to a different shop and it had way too much positive camber. I'm at 200,XXX miles on my 2016 tundra and only on my third set of tires.
@@vanlynchburg7123 had the original Michelin tires on, then some really cheap tires called trail climbers or something like that, and now have Westlake tires on, Wich have been great other than they are load e rated and ride like a log wagon.
60 psi !!! That is a lot Gear. Most over sized tires typically run 35-42psi. Is that the recommended pressure from the tire manufacturer? I called Nitto when I had my Ridge Grapplers mounted and they recommend 38 in the front and 40 in the back.
Gear Runner I see, but that is very interesting. Mine are “F” rated, which for Nitto is a 12 ply tire. So I called Nitto back to double check where I should have my tire pressure at and based on their conversion chart from the OEM tires, I should be running my 35x12.50x20 Ridge Grapplers at 30-35psi.
Tundra Whisperer They told me that as well but I was seeing significant tire wear running that psi. I called the guy at the dealership that owned the truck before me and he laughed and said he did too. He said he ran 58-62 psi all the time. So I tried it. My tire wear almost went away except for the outside edge a little. Max psi is 66.
Gear, would have been great to hear you talk and once in a while have a wider look of your tires, the truck, like from 10 feet away and see the tires. Thanks for your valuable info.
You can get some, if not all, of your MPGs back by regearing the axles. That will also get your power back and reduce the stress on your engine and tranny.
I bought 2019 Tundra Crewmax Limited in March with stock suspension,wheels and tires 20X8 with 275/55R/20. I want to get new wheels and tires, either BFG KO2’s or Nitto Ridge Grapplers. I want to get the look of a Lift without jeopardizing ride quality. I don’t really off-road to need a Lift Kit. I was considering a Level Kit instead. I also don’t want to trim any wheel wells or fenders. There’s a lot of math involved to ensure fitment.
I had the Nitto TerraGrapplers on my 94 Ford F-250 and got over 75000 miles on them. We're still on the truck after my wife wrecked my truck and crunched the bumper into the tire... but never went flat.
Xavier Mandolorian. No I have not regeared. I did install magnaflow exhaust, coach builder bumper shims and a sprint booster which I think is the best mod so far!
Thank you so much for the video! Someone did mention bumps, which is what I was thinking. There is a turn on my husband’s work commute that is very bumpy. We have the off road package on a 2019 Tundra Limited. Wouldn’t the tire bounce up and hit that close edge/bracket? And when you said “factory”, I’m guessing that’s the stock lift for a Tundra? We LOVE the truck btw. Thanks again!
Brandi Smith Thank you. I actually have a 3-2 Ready lift on my truck. Which is basically a 3 inch body lift. That’s the only way 35’s will fit. I’ve hat had any rubbing issues with mine.
If your speedometer hasn't been re-calibrated for the larger tires, you're likely getting better MPG than you think you are. The odometer is also going to be off as bigger tires will have less revolutions per mile. If the stock tire was a 32" and your current tire is a 35, that's a difference of almost 10%. So when you check your mileage at the pump, you would need to multiply that number up by the percentage difference between the stock tire and your current larger tire, meaning you actually traveled more miles than your odometer says you did. Ex. Odometer reads 500 miles at the pump and you put in 25 gallons 500/25= 20mpg (500(35/32))/25= 21.875 mpg This is obviously just an example and there are other factors to consider here as well.
The front tire, driver's side, is very close to one of the supports for the front bumper when the wheel is turned to the right. This is with the suspension in the neutral position. What happens when the suspension is compressed? It would seem that this support would hit the tire.
I have a 2017 TRD PRO with a one inch lift and am running 35/12.50-18 mud terrains on the stock rims the only thing I did was removed the front mud flaps and instead of cutting out the front inner fender well I used a heat gun got the plastic hot and just reformed it and on the rear of the front tire shaved the cab mounts and also put on 1.25 inch wheel spacers and every thing works great
60 psi? I run 45 on mine. Anything above that feels to harsh for me. To each to there own. My speedometer doesn’t change when I swap out my stocks for 35’s. Kinda weird because my 2012 was off.
I have a 2021 Toyota Tundra Trd Pro with the Westcott Designs Fox Trd Pro lift kit. TRD pro wheels and Spidertrax 1.25 spacers. 35x12.50R18 Nitto Ridge grappler tires . I had a little rubbing in the front of the wheel well bumper area. I installed a set of Coachbuilder bumper spacers and no rub at all now.
I know this is a year old. Do you remember what the camber was set at. Toyota sets the tundra up with way to much positive camber. I set mine to 0 maybe even -0
Ouch!!! I have 34” tires with a 3” leveling kit. Barely enough clearance on full turns. I get 15 on the highway and 12 around town. Some of us sacrifice gas mileage for coolness. Hahaha. It was OK when gas hit $1.47 here in MT. This morning it was at $2.05.
Have you decided to regear that would help improve gas mileage. I'm actually running 37's 22x12 on a 8 inch Ready Lift and have terrible gas mileage so by upon much research I'm upgrading gears to 5.29 and bring me back to around 14mpg since I'm running huge wheels and tires.
Will 35's rub on a 2019 tundra with a 6-inch procomp lift? Running stock bumpers and probally going to a 18x9 or 18x10 rim? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Just rather not BOdy mount chop if I dont have to
In my experience I had before put some 35’s on other rigs . . . And believe me it became a headache with the differentials ratio back one and front one . . . That’s why I believe if anyone is about to set any tire bigger than factory specs be ready to change the differentials ratio before even the transmission pay the consequences. . .
You can change the tire size in the computers .. it affects the transmission shift point .. the low gearing in the tundras is not affected by 35s it’s already a 4.30. Transmission shift points is the issue but that reprogramming takes care of that
Look up front bumper shims for the tundra, I still run my inner front bumper covers on 35" 12.5 20 with a 3/2 lift nitto mud terrain just had to trim the inside corner of the bumper and mod the liner fits nice looks factory.
Nitto tires are heavy tires, I've had Trail Grapplers and Ridge Grapplers. I have a TRD Pro currently that has new BF Goodrich T/A stock size P275s Frankly they look like house shoes but I get 17 mpg, I just look bad doing it. I found a fix for this problem, I tented the front windows and the windshield. Now I don't look as bad. lol
I know this is an old video but had to put this out there. If they got you back to factory specs IMO that’s not good. Once you change the off, you change the geometry this changing the correct specs to be in. Any alignment Gurus out there to comment on that?
What size rims are you running? I've got the 20 inch Fuel Hostage which shortens the sidewall making it stiffer and have no strange wear on my Nitto Terra Grappler MT's. I've got the Zone5 lift and had to do some trimming on the bumper. I also regeared with 4.88's so I could use sixth gear again. It helped slightly with the mpg but I mainly did it to get that pep back that was lost with the 35's. Installed the hypertech speedo after realizing the 35's changed my speedo by around four miles an hour.
I'm running 33x12 Good Year Wrangler DuraTrac tires on my 2017 Tundra with a 3-1 Ready Lift. No idea of Hwy mpg because I drive 90% in town. City mpg is 13 mpg average. If that helps at all in your next size tire choice.
@@gearrunner I would go 12.5 wide as well. I have the factory flares. Only reason I went with the 12 wide is because I already had the tires from a previous truck and love the Duratracs. I hated the KO2s that were on my Tundra but didn't want to spend another $1200+ when the Duratracs still have a good 20k miles left in tread.
@@gearrunner I know. I was happy when they told me cause my set of KOs on my Taco got 80k before I got the KO2s. But then treaded it in for the Tundra. So I put KO2s on it.
Rat gas Garage , that’s the thing. It has to be 0. I had a -18 with 13.5 and it rubbed only in reverse after trimming and Mount chop done. I just switched then for XD Misfit wheels 18’ with 35X12.5 Nitto 0 off set and it runs so much better!. No rub whatsoever.
Gear Runner So yes it’s now Nitto Forever. I just put a 3/1 Readylift on and 35’s 12.5 on 20’s Nitto Ridge Grapplers that were suppose to be 33’s but the tire place accidentally gave me 35’s so definitely some modifications I had to do. The biggest one was cutting a lil bit off of the skid plate. Of course I had to remove the inside of the bumper.
Gear Runner also I had the same wear on the outside edge. I’m going to see if I can monitor the outside wear on the tire a lil bit better. I got a Black on Black Tundra just like yours. XP edition
Bernard Lukas Nice, I love the black on black Tundras. I think upper control arms would fix the wear but not sure it’s enough wear to justify the cost.
Thanks for the video, so a '3-2' lift means 3 inches front, 2 inches in back? What about height of the truck does it fit in a standard height garage which is about 84"? What about the offset? If you are negative offset, aren't you kicking gravel up against the paint? Your tires have 35 miles, it looks like it might have front rubbed when new with more tread?
Graph Guy My truck is right at 7’ tall. I’ve never noticed any rubbing and I’ve had the truck since about 14k miles. I did throw some gravel which is why I put on the fender flares.
@@gearrunner Thanks for the reply. 7' that means you can't fit it into a 'normal' garage. I think the 35" look best, but I have to park in the garage as it is a HOA requirement - that rules out 35's.
I've got a 2019 Tundra with no lift/leveling kit and am considering the KO2's in a 275 65R 20 these are 34" tires. Am I safe in assuming they would not rub since your 35's don't? Thanks.
The biggest tire you can run without a lift and stock wheels is 285/65/18 (stock tire is 275/65/18) and it will still rub at full turn until you put a couple thousand miles on the tires.
Gear Runner Cool, I can’t find a crewmax with a front bench. I need 6 seats for my wife and 4 kids. Oddly enough, they make a double cab with 6 but not the crewmax. Lost in translation I guess.
@@firstlast7099 bro I have 6 kids and special ordered a 2019 Crewmax with front bench. It’s TRD Off Road minus that $2500 upgrade that included the shifter on the floor.
I had the same problem so I added a insulated cold air intake full borla exhaust and the computer upgrade where they just plugged it in made some changes and unplugged it. I run a 35x11.50r18 and I get 16 mpg in the city, 4:10 gears. (285x75r18) 9 inch wide wheels minus 12 offset and no rubbing.
I think you should try and add a little more air to your tires and run on a slightly higher psi. Maybe it will add more pressure to the center and your tires might wear a little more evenly. Just a suggestion. Good luck! 👍
Could be Camber wear or under inflated tires if the inside of the tire worn the same but if it has a suspension lift I'd check manufacturer of the lift kit to get the proper specification for alignment that's why I when for a body lift kit! Tim
Damn it, its a damn TRUCK. To get a good truck, you have to give some where and it is mpg. After all, Tundra is the most reliable truck going and that has been proven. My first good truck was a 84 Ford 3/4 truck and it got 14 mpg and I was very happy wiith that.
It depends on what you use your truck for, i use it my trd pro tundra for towing i do overlanding, but most of the time i tow and haul stuff alot of yard work, and im also a short dude so i mean does a lift and bigger tires look cool. Fuck yeah it does but from a practical standpoint for me its not worth it. I need to be able to get in and out of the truck bed and cab safely and quickly.
How can you say, with a straight face, that a 35" AT tire will fit, while a 35" mud tire won't? Both are the exact same size. It hurt to see so much ignorance spewed in such a short amount of time.
Because the lugs are taller on on a mud tire and will rub while the more AT terrain on the AT tire sits much lower and will clear. Not sure how such a knowledgeable person as yourself couldn’t figure this one out!
@@gearrunner Really? Look up the specs of two BF Goodrich tires sized in 285/70/17. One is the AT KO2 and the other is the Mud-Terrain KM3. Both have the exact same 33" diameter. The MT lugs are not "taller" on the mud terrain. They have wider voids and are recessed deeper. Tread depth is 15/32 on the AT and 18/32 on the MT. They do not stick out more than the lugs on the AT. Both tires are the EXACT same physical dimension and one is not going to rub while the other is not. This is basic physics and common sense.
Yes, 35’s look proportionally correct in these Tundra’s, IMO
Tundra Whisperer I agree 👍
Your accent reminds me of that kid from Tokyo drift/sling blade. Good video!! Thanks bud!! 👍🏼👍🏼
Reno Ram Thank you and I get that a lot.
Dude definitely has a Sling Blade vibe going on
@@AggiePhil😂
I had a set of Nitto Terra Grapplers and always had a “shimmy” around 55mph and finally got rid of them for a set of Pro Comps MTZ. 2011 Tundra with a 6” lift. Like your videos very informational
terry218e Thank you, I appreciate it. This is the first set of Terra Grapplers that I have owned. I’m pretty satisfied with them. That doesn’t mean the next set won’t disappoint though.
Excellent video with lots of great information
derrick guy Thank you, I appreciate it
You will find that the large tires do impact your speedometer reading. But . . . it will show you that your mileage is actually better than you think it is. The large tires go maybe 3% farther than the stock tires do per revolution. So your mpg is likely .5 mpg better than you think.
You should have talked about offset on the wheels some, that plays a big part into clearance of a bigger tire. Also, I believe a good set of upper arms should be around $500. Installation probably another 2.
Just had 5.29 Nitro Gears installed on my 2019 Tundra. It has a 2.5” lift and running 35” tires. Was very tired of feeling like I was constantly hauling around a trailer because of the weight & size of the tires. I almost went back to stock size but ended up having the gears installed and so glad I did. Now it feels like it did the day I bought. Holds 6th gear like it never did before. I can tell by the exhaust note that the engine isn’t struggling like it did before and always changing gears. If you plan on keeping your tundra and you’re running larger tires, do yourself a favor and go for it. Almost like getting a new truck all over again, way more fun to drive.
What gears did you end up going with. Also did you install them yourself or did you have a company do it. Thanks
@@edh4686 5.29 Nitro Gears. Had a shop do it. Was worth it for the bigger tires, would do it again.
How much for everything
I am on my fifth Tundra. My current one is a 4 X 4 2019 mega cab. This truck came with michelin all terrain tires and I replaced @50K miles and they still had tread. All my other Tundras came with BFG GoodWrich TA'S and wore out at 35K. Big difference in price and longevity. Yesterday I raced a Fox body Mustang that was pretty well tuned. He got the hit on me but I was catching up before I hit the speed limiter. I need to call DAP tuninging for a remote tune. Been there done that and it was a completely different truck!
Consider next set of tires 11.8 wide rather than 12.5 wide, 34 tall, 295-70-18 They'll wear better and give better traction in mud and or snow Give you little safety clearance too.
What happens if you have a flat? Do you have extra 35’s spare under bed?
Appreciate the video. Helps me make my decision on what to do when its time for tires on my 19 Tundra. Thanks from TX
I just put 275/65r20's KO2's on my 2007 Tundra. That's roughly a 34" tire. 2.25" bilstein shock lift in the front to level. No rubbing at all. I could probably go a size bigger but it looks and rides perfect. I don't have a front skid plate.
If you take off the upper factory air box, you will see it has a carbon screen filter. Take a soldering iron and melt off the plastic welded rivets. This will give you 1 mpg improvement with a high flow filter (K&N, etc.) The induction sound and throttle response is noticeable.
Wow!! That is close in the front. I’m surprised it doesn’t rub on heavy bumps in the road. Looking forward to your speed test...I’m guessing you’re 3-4mph off at 65 and above🤔
RobMotive It was definitely very close. I am anxious to see what it is as well.
It was off which bugged me...but fixed it. Spot on now!
My tundra has a 4.5” BDS lift with 35” Toyo RTs and the speedometer is off by 3 mph!
I think a 295/70r18 is perfect for that size lift, but will require a body mount chop, depending on the offset of wheel.
Also you should install an inline speedo calibrator running 35’s.
I ran 295’s for 20k miles and ended up going back to a 33. Drives, brakes, accelerates, wheels (better articulation off-road) better mpg’s. Lots of benefits.
Did you do actual 33's or a size similar to a 33?
James Valdez 275/70r18’s
What about 285/70r18?
@@chileonchau7360That’s 34’
I have 35” trail grapplers on 18” wheels with a zero degree offset. 3.5” rough country lift kit. Had to trim body mount and front fenderwell a good amount. The uneven wear is due to the factory spec on the truck is a positive camber. Even with the upper control Arms replaced factory alignment keeps as close as possible to factory steering. I had to remount my tires to get more even wear out of them. Hope this helps
Would let's say you have mud tires on would you be able to off road without rubbing and what about your gears? How does the truck feel compared to 33s?
I never ran 33’s on this truck. I would def say that with the 35’s and only doing a 3.5” lift that they will def rub while off roading. They sometimes rub if i make a sharp turn. 33’s would prob be better. It also has to do with the offset of the wheel. A negative offset will make the rubbing worse. When I put 1.5” spacers on i had to trim more of the body mounts.
@@erikhoreis9229 I see, so keeping the offset like zero offset is best when going to bigger tires. I run 33s with a negative 18 offset for the stance but I can see why negative offset can increase rubbing makes perfect sense.
@@erikhoreis9229 I have the 3.5 RC bolt on and I love it, I think it's a good balance of clearance and functionality plus its also bolt on/not permanent but the 6inch lift is tempting
Marco- I have the same RC kit. It’s great. My 35’s didn’t really rub until I spaced them out for the look and stance as well. With the 2” fender flares I installed, the tires stick out about 1.5” still. It looks wide and mean. Looks great.
This may sound stupid, but that’s because it is, so I say light up the rear for a second to knock the glaze of road grime off, rotate tires, then do the same with the fronts on the rear, should help with the slick feeling, had a set of 10ply on a ranger and noticed the same thing and it worked enough for me
The reason your tires will wear uneven is because you had a so many miles on them prior to addressing the issue, put new rubbers on and align it again.. youll notice better wear patterns. once a tire wears a certain way itll keep wearing that way
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George Porreca I think they had around 13-14k when I had it aligned. Is that still to many?
Ya I mean once it starts it'll keep going unfortunately, because the pressure across the tire will still be even so technically they're wearing "straight"
Gear Runner 100% correct. If the tire starts a wear pattern then it’s impossible to stop it. I also sell tires for a living and many people have the same problem on lofted trucks because they wait so long to align them. I’d recommend an alignment once a year and every time you replace tires 👍🏼 I just bought my 2018 tundra this past week and was debating on 33s and 35s so your videos have been a huge help.
George Porreca I had mine aligned as soon as I got new tires. Still wears on the outer edge. If you get an alignment to “spec” should it be to “spec” after you’ve lifted and put after market rims and tires? Does “spec” mean factory conditions? shouldn’t The alignment change if you lift, rims, tires etc?
@@chrisallison1981 ya any adjustment to the suspension should be an automatic alignment
You could do a body mount chop (BMC) that would buy a little more room and move away from the all terrain tires. I guess it all depends how you use the truck, but the 35s really look good. Thanks for sharing you experience.
hornshwangler Thank you. I have thought about that. If I did that I would want to weld a piece of the chopped off part. The place that does it here doesn’t do that so I’ve been a little iffy on it.
@@gearrunner Yep, that's the way to do it. There's a channel, 88ROTORS, that specializes in BMCs and does a really fine job. You can see some of their work by searching for BMC on their channel.
The 35s are so close I wonder if they rub when driving down the road and the truck is bouncing around.
I got 35"×12.5"×17". Custom BMC, cut, plate welded, grind cleaned, painted. Front bumper spacer .5" clearance and rolled the front inner fender with heat gun (no cutting inner fender)... no rubbing at all at full articulation.
Im picking my 2010 double cab long box with 35x12.50x20 rims and tires and I expected to get less mileage im already looking for factory rims that I can throw a set of road tires on so I dont burn up a set of 1200 dollar tires driving back n forth to work everyday n keep the bigger tires for when i go in the woods
You have to rotate your tires every 3,000-5,000 miles front to back and across and your tires will last for a long time as well as having less problems with vibration on steering wheel
JesseLimones That’s exactly what I do. I have around 42k miles on them now and probably have another 8-10k left on them
Awesome bro nice truck I have Tundra too lol
Love tundras👌
I have syn oil every 7500 miles and rotate tires same day.
So 7500 good for the rotation. I haven't seen any problems. Thanks.
Run 275/60/20
You can fit 35 inch tires on a stock tundra with no lift, obviously trimming is required, if you have even just have a 3 inch leveling kit in the front and if you do not move the location of your alignment you’ll have to do the body mount chop, depending on your wheel backspacing and offset, but if you push your alignment forward towards the front bumper you do not have to touch the body mount with 35s but you will have to use a heat gun and push the inner fender in and mold it with more curve. you can even use zip ties to help hold it while it molds, hence why yours is removed. In some cases you’ll even trim the bottom part of the bumper closest to the front of the tire. now if you go 37‘s you’re definitely going to need to do the body mount chop.
I run 35/12.5/R17 (17" wheels). I have a suspension lift (not level or bracket, but a pure suspension lift) of 3 inches front and 1 inch rear. There was some trimming and a body mount chop. I still have my front fender molding.
Do you have to re gear the rear for 35” tires
Everything depend on offset.
I got an alignment when I had a new set of tires installed, but they screwed up and chewed through front tires really quick, went to a different shop and it had way too much positive camber. I'm at 200,XXX miles on my 2016 tundra and only on my third set of tires.
What Tires?
@@vanlynchburg7123 had the original Michelin tires on, then some really cheap tires called trail climbers or something like that, and now have Westlake tires on, Wich have been great other than they are load e rated and ride like a log wagon.
60 psi !!! That is a lot Gear. Most over sized tires typically run 35-42psi. Is that the recommended pressure from the tire manufacturer? I called Nitto when I had my Ridge Grapplers mounted and they recommend 38 in the front and 40 in the back.
Tundra Whisperer Mine are 10 ply so they require more air
Gear Runner I see, but that is very interesting. Mine are “F” rated, which for Nitto is a 12 ply tire. So I called Nitto back to double check where I should have my tire pressure at and based on their conversion chart from the OEM tires, I should be running my 35x12.50x20 Ridge Grapplers at 30-35psi.
Tundra Whisperer They told me that as well but I was seeing significant tire wear running that psi. I called the guy at the dealership that owned the truck before me and he laughed and said he did too. He said he ran 58-62 psi all the time. So I tried it. My tire wear almost went away except for the outside edge a little. Max psi is 66.
@@gearrunner Running that hi of a PSI can be dangerous. You might want to see what the recommended PSI is from the tire manufacture.
Robbyota 559 The manufacturer said around 45 psi. Max is 66, I was getting bad tire wire off of 45
Gear, would have been great to hear you talk and once in a while have a wider look of your tires, the truck, like from 10 feet away and see the tires. Thanks for your valuable info.
George Garcia Sorry I didn’t think about that. If I do another video I will show a different angle.
You can get some, if not all, of your MPGs back by regearing the axles. That will also get your power back and reduce the stress on your engine and tranny.
I think your wheel offset will make a clearance difference
I put 295 70 17s (almost a 34) on my 2022 tundra yesterday. Zero rub and looks nice and big still. No lift
I bought 2019 Tundra Crewmax Limited in March with stock suspension,wheels and tires 20X8 with 275/55R/20. I want to get new wheels and tires, either BFG KO2’s or Nitto Ridge Grapplers. I want to get the look of a Lift without jeopardizing ride quality. I don’t really off-road to need a Lift Kit. I was considering a Level Kit instead. I also don’t want to trim any wheel wells or fenders. There’s a lot of math involved to ensure fitment.
I had the Nitto TerraGrapplers on my 94 Ford F-250 and got over 75000 miles on them. We're still on the truck after my wife wrecked my truck and crunched the bumper into the tire... but never went flat.
Great video and thank you for sharing the info.
I have a 2019 with 8 inch lift and 37 inch tires. Bought it all dealer installed. It does have the bmc and trimmed bumpers! Does not rub at all.
Juan Rodriguez have you re-gear
Xavier Mandolorian. No I have not regeared. I did install magnaflow exhaust, coach builder bumper shims and a sprint booster which I think is the best mod so far!
Thank you so much for the video! Someone did mention bumps, which is what I was thinking. There is a turn on my husband’s work commute that is very bumpy. We have the off road package on a 2019 Tundra Limited. Wouldn’t the tire bounce up and hit that close edge/bracket? And when you said “factory”, I’m guessing that’s the stock lift for a Tundra? We LOVE the truck btw. Thanks again!
Brandi Smith Thank you. I actually have a 3-2 Ready lift on my truck. Which is basically a 3 inch body lift. That’s the only way 35’s will fit. I’ve hat had any rubbing issues with mine.
Thank you, I have a lot to learn. I didn’t know I was a truck girl until we bought the Tundra.😊
Brandi Smith You are very welcome. That’s exactly why I do this. To help others. If you ever have any questions don’t hesitate to ask. 👍
If your speedometer hasn't been re-calibrated for the larger tires, you're likely getting better MPG than you think you are. The odometer is also going to be off as bigger tires will have less revolutions per mile. If the stock tire was a 32" and your current tire is a 35, that's a difference of almost 10%. So when you check your mileage at the pump, you would need to multiply that number up by the percentage difference between the stock tire and your current larger tire, meaning you actually traveled more miles than your odometer says you did.
Ex. Odometer reads 500 miles at the pump and you put in 25 gallons
500/25= 20mpg
(500(35/32))/25= 21.875 mpg
This is obviously just an example and there are other factors to consider here as well.
Are you saying you actually get better mpg for 35s or just not accurate reading with 35s?
The front tire, driver's side, is very close to one of the supports for the front bumper when the wheel is turned to the right. This is with the suspension in the neutral position. What happens when the suspension is compressed? It would seem that this support would hit the tire.
Zone upper control arms $450, love mine!
jason thomas I will look into those. Thank you
I have a 2017 TRD PRO with a one inch lift and am running 35/12.50-18 mud terrains on the stock rims the only thing I did was removed the front mud flaps and instead of cutting out the front inner fender well I used a heat gun got the plastic hot and just reformed it and on the rear of the front tire shaved the cab mounts and also put on 1.25 inch wheel spacers and every thing works great
Have you ever taken that ready lift off road? Not rock climbing by any means but just gravel off road. How does it hold up?
Cody Schillinger I have taken it down gravel roads and through fields. I’ve never had any issues with it.
60 psi? I run 45 on mine. Anything above that feels to harsh for me. To each to there own. My speedometer doesn’t change when I swap out my stocks for 35’s. Kinda weird because my 2012 was off.
I’m looking into buying Tundra man o man why are they so expensive
Lots of people asking for 5 year old Tundra as much as I can get one brand new 😅
I have a 2021 Toyota Tundra Trd Pro with the Westcott Designs Fox Trd Pro lift kit. TRD pro wheels and Spidertrax 1.25 spacers. 35x12.50R18 Nitto Ridge grappler tires . I had a little rubbing in the front of the wheel well bumper area. I installed a set of Coachbuilder bumper spacers and no rub at all now.
I could be wrong as I'm new to tundras, but are you sure you dont have a body mount chop?
Also, what are the offset of your rims
I got 38 on my 2014 toyota Tundra and 12-inch lift !
I know this is a year old. Do you remember what the camber was set at. Toyota sets the tundra up with way to much positive camber. I set mine to 0 maybe even -0
I really can’t remember, Toyota didn’t get the alignment right so I had it done at a local 4x4 shop.
Man I have a 7" lift and 35's on mine and I get 9mpg it sucks
Boulder Rockets he’ll be ready to run out of gas 😂. I bet it looks sweet though.
Regear it
Ouch!!! I have 34” tires with a 3” leveling kit. Barely enough clearance on full turns. I get 15 on the highway and 12 around town. Some of us sacrifice gas mileage for coolness. Hahaha. It was OK when gas hit $1.47 here in MT. This morning it was at $2.05.
37’s on mine with 7 inch procomp lift. I regeared it with 5.29 gears . Drives pretty much like stock , only very tall now with the big shoes.
Have you decided to regear that would help improve gas mileage. I'm actually running 37's 22x12 on a 8 inch Ready Lift and have terrible gas mileage so by upon much research I'm upgrading gears to 5.29 and bring me back to around 14mpg since I'm running huge wheels and tires.
Great video. Have you thought about getting it regeared? New upper ucas will help w wear on next lift.
Will 35's rub on a 2019 tundra with a 6-inch procomp lift? Running stock bumpers and probally going to a 18x9 or 18x10 rim? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Just rather not BOdy mount chop if I dont have to
The big question is if you are on ruff roads do they rub hit pot holes hope you don't go off road
Jeffrey Small I haven’t noticed them doing that and I’ve been on a lot of rough roads
Gear Runner just don't go baja in your truck lol
Riding on the outside edge of the tire can considerably affect the braking , especially when towing and/or on wet roads.
What kind of mileage are you gettin?
In my experience I had before put some 35’s on other rigs . . . And believe me it became a headache with the differentials ratio back one and front one . . . That’s why I believe if anyone is about to set any tire bigger than factory specs be ready to change the differentials ratio before even the transmission pay the consequences. . .
You can change the tire size in the computers .. it affects the transmission shift point .. the low gearing in the tundras is not affected by 35s it’s already a 4.30. Transmission shift points is the issue but that reprogramming takes care of that
Look up front bumper shims for the tundra, I still run my inner front bumper covers on 35" 12.5 20 with a 3/2 lift nitto mud terrain just had to trim the inside corner of the bumper and mod the liner fits nice looks factory.
Ryan Thank you, I’ll look that up
Ryan I just looked it up. Very interesting, I may just have to get a set of these. Thank you again 👍
Ryan you should post some videos of your truck....
I have 35 nito ridge grappler. Little to no rub.. Love them
3-2 level with any more modifications?
Gear, check out Tuff Country upper control arms. They have them at suspension connection for $343 a piece.
ً I will definitely do that. Thank you 👍
Nitto tires are heavy tires, I've had Trail Grapplers and Ridge Grapplers. I have a TRD Pro currently that has new BF Goodrich T/A stock size P275s Frankly they look like house shoes but I get 17 mpg, I just look bad doing it. I found a fix for this problem, I tented the front windows and the windshield. Now I don't look as bad. lol
I know this is an old video but had to put this out there. If they got you back to factory specs IMO that’s not good. Once you change the off, you change the geometry this changing the correct specs to be in. Any alignment Gurus out there to comment on that?
Did your buddy have to remove the inner fender with the 33x 12.50? I am thanking about doing the 3 2 lift and do t wont to remove it.
Garry Burrell He didn’t have to remove his
@@gearrunner thanks
Garry Burrell You’re very welcome 👍
What PSI do you keep your tires on?
I keep mine around 54psi but mine are W load rated
@@gearrunner okay mine is a Load range F.
What size rims are you running? I've got the 20 inch Fuel Hostage which shortens the sidewall making it stiffer and have no strange wear on my Nitto Terra Grappler MT's.
I've got the Zone5 lift and had to do some trimming on the bumper.
I also regeared with 4.88's so I could use sixth gear again. It helped slightly with the mpg but I mainly did it to get that pep back that was lost with the 35's.
Installed the hypertech speedo after realizing the 35's changed my speedo by around four miles an hour.
Hey love your channel. I have 2020 tundra TRD off road. If I put level kit on it think I can fit 33x12.5x18. ?
I'm running 33x12 Good Year Wrangler DuraTrac tires on my 2017 Tundra with a 3-1 Ready Lift. No idea of Hwy mpg because I drive 90% in town. City mpg is 13 mpg average. If that helps at all in your next size tire choice.
Jason Padgett I really want to stay with the 12.50 wide just to keep it level with the flares. I may go down to a 33 but I do love the look of my 35’s
@@gearrunner I would go 12.5 wide as well. I have the factory flares. Only reason I went with the 12 wide is because I already had the tires from a previous truck and love the Duratracs. I hated the KO2s that were on my Tundra but didn't want to spend another $1200+ when the Duratracs still have a good 20k miles left in tread.
Jason Padgett I totally understand that.
16 mpg for me ... OEM TRD Pro size 18's in AT LT but love it
RMJ Motoring Yep that’s what I’ve heard it you keep it stock. 👍
There is also a way to correct the speedometer. By way of rough country inline calibrator. Works great!
Great video
Big Moe Thank you Moe. Have a great Monday buddy. 👍
What if you run 35x11.5x20?
just wondering if you regularly rotate your tires? that would help them wear more even on your whole set? just wondering
Brandon Sievers I do, I rotate them every oil change
Gear Runner sweet! thanks for the info!
I get 13mpg. 33" tire and 3-2 lift.
I used to get 11mpg, after doing some research i found out if you change your diff oil your mpg gets better 👍
I got a 2018 tundy with 20k miles when should I change the diff oil
Who the hell goes offroad with 20in wheels!?
If my truck has 20in wheels, it better also have 56in tires.
I have a Tacoma. I will put some bigger tires but whatever I it can fix without a lift.
Carlos Fernandez I’m not sure what max size you can do on a Tacoma without a lift.
@@gearrunner I'm checking with some friend that have a business on accessories but I have to go to the place and it's away from my house.
I have a 3/2 ReadyLIFT on my Tundra, do you think I can fit a 275 70r18mt without any rubbing??
Not sure about your state but in AZ the KO2s are now rated at 50k miles cause are climate. Something to think about if your not off road a lot.
mike be the one That’s pretty awesome because they didn’t used to have a warranty.
@@gearrunner I know. I was happy when they told me cause my set of KOs on my Taco got 80k before I got the KO2s. But then treaded it in for the Tundra. So I put KO2s on it.
Have you checked the gear ratios, that also is affected with wheel and tire sizes as far as fuel economy and maybe remaping the computer.
What's the offset on your wheels
Rat gas Garage , that’s the thing. It has to be 0. I had a -18 with 13.5 and it rubbed only in reverse after trimming and Mount chop done. I just switched then for XD Misfit wheels 18’ with 35X12.5 Nitto 0 off set and it runs so much better!. No rub whatsoever.
What is the offset on your wheels??
Hey man great video! In your opinion do you think 22x12 inch fuel rims with 12.5 35’s work on a 2010 Toyota Tundra?
I’m running 33’s with 20” wheel w/2” bora spacer. I need to do some trimming rubs on full turns.
33x12.50?
35's are nice, but it all depends on what you're using your vehicle for.
Robbyota 559 Very True
I got 73 thousand miles out of those Nitto G2’s ... I would have gotten more if I would have alignment my truck in time
Bernard Lukas Wow I’m just hoping to get 50
Gear Runner So yes it’s now Nitto Forever. I just put a 3/1 Readylift on and 35’s 12.5 on 20’s Nitto Ridge Grapplers that were suppose to be 33’s but the tire place accidentally gave me 35’s so definitely some modifications I had to do. The biggest one was cutting a lil bit off of the skid plate. Of course I had to remove the inside of the bumper.
Gear Runner also I had the same wear on the outside edge. I’m going to see if I can monitor the outside wear on the tire a lil bit better. I got a Black on Black Tundra just like yours. XP edition
Bernard Lukas Yep I had to remove that as well with a 3/2
Bernard Lukas Nice, I love the black on black Tundras. I think upper control arms would fix the wear but not sure it’s enough wear to justify the cost.
Why in the world are you running 65psi in a 10 ply on a half ton truck?
Thanks for the video, so a '3-2' lift means 3 inches front, 2 inches in back? What about height of the truck does it fit in a standard height garage which is about 84"?
What about the offset? If you are negative offset, aren't you kicking gravel up against the paint?
Your tires have 35 miles, it looks like it might have front rubbed when new with more tread?
Graph Guy My truck is right at 7’ tall. I’ve never noticed any rubbing and I’ve had the truck since about 14k miles. I did throw some gravel which is why I put on the fender flares.
@@gearrunner Thanks for the reply. 7' that means you can't fit it into a 'normal' garage. I think the 35" look best, but I have to park in the garage as it is a HOA requirement - that rules out 35's.
Graph Guy I do like how 33’s look though. My buddy has 33 Nitto Ridgegrappler on his and I like them
I've got a 2019 Tundra with no lift/leveling kit and am considering the KO2's in a 275 65R 20 these are 34" tires. Am I safe in assuming they would not rub since your 35's don't? Thanks.
How did that work out I’m in the same boat now
If u were running stock wheels would 285/75/18 fit with the lift without rubbing? If not what is the biggest size u recommend n stock wheels?
The biggest tire you can run without a lift and stock wheels is 285/65/18 (stock tire is 275/65/18) and it will still rub at full turn until you put a couple thousand miles on the tires.
Did you recalibrate your speedo?
I didn’t but I have a video on it. It’s only off like 1-2 mph
Gear Runner Cool, I can’t find a crewmax with a front bench. I need 6 seats for my wife and 4 kids. Oddly enough, they make a double cab with 6 but not the crewmax. Lost in translation I guess.
@@firstlast7099 bro I have 6 kids and special ordered a 2019 Crewmax with front bench. It’s TRD Off Road minus that $2500 upgrade that included the shifter on the floor.
@@hoganfan2006 awesome
I had the same problem so I added a insulated cold air intake full borla exhaust and the computer upgrade where they just plugged it in made some changes and unplugged it. I run a 35x11.50r18 and I get 16 mpg in the city, 4:10 gears. (285x75r18) 9 inch wide wheels minus 12 offset and no rubbing.
I think you should try and add a little more air to your tires and run on a slightly higher psi. Maybe it will add more pressure to the center and your tires might wear a little more evenly. Just a suggestion. Good luck! 👍
Could be Camber wear or under inflated tires if the inside of the tire worn the same but if it has a suspension lift I'd check manufacturer of the lift kit to get the proper specification for alignment that's why I when for a body lift kit! Tim
Do you have to regear?
My 2013 sr5 tundra fit 35s stock rims and stock height no rubbing or anything.
I run the exact set up, I only had to shave my skid plate slightly with Mud tires, not problems whatsoever
How big is the lift?
Does the truck have a body mount chop. For the 35" tires.
It looks like. Looks like it has plates welded on to make it look stock. They probably just didn't tell him because it looks stock.
You're right. Hard to justify uca's at $1,000 when you might get another 5k miles out of a set of tires.
Damn it, its a damn TRUCK. To get a good truck, you have to give some where and it is mpg. After all, Tundra is the most reliable truck going and that has been proven. My first good truck was a 84 Ford 3/4 truck and it got 14 mpg and I was very happy wiith that.
I got 75k miles on my first set of 33” ko2’s and I’m on my second set with 50k on them with a lot of life left
Agree. Just picked up a 2016 Tundra TRD Pro. Will look to put 33" Nitto's on the original 18" TRD rims down the road.
It depends on what you use your truck for, i use it my trd pro tundra for towing i do overlanding, but most of the time i tow and haul stuff alot of yard work, and im also a short dude so i mean does a lift and bigger tires look cool. Fuck yeah it does but from a practical standpoint for me its not worth it. I need to be able to get in and out of the truck bed and cab safely and quickly.
qoua vang That does make sense.
Lol im a 5`7 asian dude lol just in case youre wondering haha im short
qoua vang lol that would definitely make a difference
How can you say, with a straight face, that a 35" AT tire will fit, while a 35" mud tire won't? Both are the exact same size. It hurt to see so much ignorance spewed in such a short amount of time.
Because the lugs are taller on on a mud tire and will rub while the more AT terrain on the AT tire sits much lower and will clear. Not sure how such a knowledgeable person as yourself couldn’t figure this one out!
@@gearrunner Really? Look up the specs of two BF Goodrich tires sized in 285/70/17. One is the AT KO2 and the other is the Mud-Terrain KM3. Both have the exact same 33" diameter. The MT lugs are not "taller" on the mud terrain. They have wider voids and are recessed deeper. Tread depth is 15/32 on the AT and 18/32 on the MT. They do not stick out more than the lugs on the AT. Both tires are the EXACT same physical dimension and one is not going to rub while the other is not. This is basic physics and common sense.