Flerfs: observations of the sun can't prove the shape of the earth Also Flerfs: observations of this dude vaping when he says he didn't prove the earth is flat
That's a great point...and it's something they ALWAYS do. Focus on the minute details that are inconsequential to divert from the glaring debunk of FE right in front of you They're all pathetic. Watching 2x pathetic idiots squabble is even funnier
RUclips: Here's tons of footage of 24h sun in the south FEs: Pffff. Fake. TFE: Here's multiple footage from different point of view from 8 differents people that went there themselves and 4 of them are flat earthers FEs: So actually shadows brrrr, drone went beep beep, omg smoke Nathan Oakley: this random guy that went to antarctica might have said he didn't witness the 24h sun in antartica, so all sorted out, thank you very much
@jaykay9286 yeah, just like with TFE, Ill trust the people who went to the moon instead of you, who hasnt gone to the moon. Why did you think anyone will trust you? 🤣
Jeran: All the globe predictions came true and were right, but flat earth doesn't have any predictions Ooooh..so close Jeran.. take it one step further!
Like the issue with people who've only been in the northern hemisphere, not understanding how things work in the south; people who don't get freezing, snow and ice regularly, don't understand how any of that works. 🙃
@@MiddleMalcolm - yeah, they simply have no real-world experience of things they're scoffing at. I've been on winter holidays a few times and I know packed and piste-bashed snow is like concrete when the air temperature gets super cold.
According to The Protocol on Environmental Protection to the Antarctic Treaty, which was signed in Madrid on October 4, 1991 and entered into force in 1998, no non indigenous plants or seeds are allowed. Our base used to grow tomatoes hydropoincally, but this is no longer ollowed. We even got a fine for having a christmas tree on the ship taking us there. So no, they would not be allowed to grow pot there.
McToon, that Sun spots video, that is the coolest thing coming out of your trip guys!! Other than the fact that you all did go of course. I am a science fan, an architect, teaching 3D animation at high school. And I'd like to believe that i can properly explain what the star is and how it forms and works. But I have never seen anything so marvelously satisfying than this clear evidence that our Sun is indeed a rotating spherical object. So epic it gives me shivers. Well done all you did there guys. Well fucking done!
There will always be a popularity in magical thinking that we see in flat earth. It's essentially a religion. They have a doctrine that there is no good evidence to support, yet they continue to believe it anyway because they want or need to believe it. We can say the same for the religious, there are many magical deities out there. 75% of the world believe in magic, and it seems that more than 75% of flerfs additionally believe in magical deities. I just find the belief in flat earth and religion almost identical.
It is the argumentum ad infinitum tactic, yes. Which has it's advantages and drawbacks. Yeah it can create the appearance that you "won" the argument (when in reality any "victory" you did get, was probably earned because your adversary was just annoyed and exhausted by you, and declared you the winner just to get you to shut up) but you don't really build a lot of support for your cause or real allies. Hence they could only get like the three dumbest flerfs to actually go to antarctica. Nobody is actually willing to really do anything to support this cause. A few will send money in super chats or like or comment on things but that's about it.
Shall people still focus on flat earth? Of course. There are 2 reasons why we should stay with a boot on FE's neck. 1) To counter the disinformation to those who seriously have doubts for whatever reason. If they see a Toon or another debunker rip apart misinformation they can see for themselves there are answers. The preponderance of evidence for the globe is so overwhelming that denying it is akin to denying reality. 2) To provide a positive space/community. As much as I dislike the term "Glober" we do have a group of honest, friendly people who are willing to catch and teach FE victims before they swirl down the drain. We have caught a few and have even converted big flerfers. Our chat and community has a lot to do with that. I remember the fight against YEC in the early days and we did not stop until it was a complete joke, unworthy of addressing anymore. We can't stop until it's gone and such a joke that nobody would touch it.
Unfortunately YEC is resurfacing as well with the flerf stuff. Honestly I think that is probably one of the biggest reason there are flerfs. "Oh you thought we were ridiculous when we were just YEC's? Hold my beer." If you were to draw a venn diagram of flerfs who are also yecs it would virtually be a circle. Now by comparison the YEC's even look somewhat sane or rational. Hell they even had one on the team for TFE, Will Duffy.
@19822andy It's ones that go after like the look alike from Chellenger and say they arent dead accusing and not caring that they are making up this stuff.
I'm just glad to hear that Jaren is actually fighting back like especially against that Mexican FLERF who said "oh I don't care about the sun anymore" when that was an undeniable"fact" that no 24 hour sun in Antarctica would NOT EVER EVER happen and it did happen. As predicted. I'm glad he is saying the globe predicted everything and flat earth predicted nothing right. Not a thing.
@@tysondog843 it is the infighting that I find entertaining, though they truly savage their own. I remember them driving Patricia Steere out of their community a few years back. The phrase "there is no hate quite like Christian love can be associated to FE I feel.
I see so many people saying things like "Wow, I actually feel kind of sorry for these guys." NO. STOP THAT. Don't. You wouldn't feel sorry for any other cult leader facing consequences, don't feel sorry for these guys. They would literally be doing the exact same stuff it they thought they could get away with it.
Cool Hard Logic picked Jeran up on his disinformation ages ago. He's definitely one of the main players in spreading this stuff and creating the community surrounding it. If Jeran plays this right he can release a lot of people from the shackles of flerfism but my instincts tell me that he is not going to mess with his meal ticket.
Your listening to someone who thinks you can get 3 nights into 2?The person who took them to Antarctica believes the same,And then taking the piss out of people that believe the world is flat
@@19822andy Of course he's not. What cult leader says "Hey, I know you all give me money attention, praise, (probably even sex? Jeran makes his wife a part of his show a lot and I bet all the attention gets her real hot and bothered.) and all that stuff, but actually I figure I should come clean. I've been lying to you all, so stop giving me that stuff."??? No, they will only admit it when the cost for maintaining the delusion is higher than the reward which it currently isn't. It will cost him so much to admit the truth even now.
One flerf actually requested a 24 hour live stream of the entire trip. Like are you serious ???? Do they know how hard that would be.......24 hour continuous uninterrupted internet connection for 4-5 days. Flerfs request the dumbest crap. Even if they did provide what he asked they still wouldn't believe it. Theres always something with these flerfs. Theyre NEVER EVER happy.
Flerfs DESIGN their requests to be impossible to fulfill. "demonstrate water sticking to a ball" (show me gravity on a scale model in a laboratory within Earth's gravity field). Gravity does not scale and (as far as we know..) can't be "blocked". The only way to assemble a "scale model" which demonstrates Earth-like gravity, is to obtain an Earth-equivalent mass of material, somewhere in space which is not adjacent to any significant gravity fields, and push the experiment material into a planet sized ball. Flerfs know that humanity does not have this capability, and THIS IS WHY they specify this, and nothing else, as their requirement to "prove gravity".
They believe the 24 sun in the artic. Where’s the 24/7 live stream they use to confirm that? Flerfs must be incredibly fit. Those goalposts being shifted so much.
The talk between Jeran and Austin is so painfully hilarious 😂 They think watching a tik tok video is research - what do you think is the reason for that, Austin? Is it possible you might have played a part in this? God, the lack of self-awareness is offensive 😂
As a fellow SouthAfrican of flatzoid's (unfortunately), I now understand why he is doing the grift , and his desperacy now. If he is getting youtube or superchat money in say $'s , it exchanges to big money in our weak SouthAfrican Rand.
Maybe that has something to do with it but I can't imagine Google is paying him much and I used to troll his channel a lot and he'd get a few $2 or $5 superchats but not much. I think he does it for friendship and camaraderie.
@@cygnustsp I think it is more that he has spent his life as the dimwit in any group he found himself in, and now he has people like SSUM and that drunk Scot to make him feel smart.
@cygnustsp for sure can be. And even "protecting" the community with the apologetics. It's just that after TFE the "arguments" etc against are just way to desperate. And it must be an online community, maybe there's a hand full more but he is the 1st fellow SA flatty I've encountered. Pity we ar3 not in the same area, I would meet up with him and .. chat😃
@@cygnustsp He does it because he thinks he's being a keyboard warrior for god. When it's really the opposite; I won't touch religion with a ten foot pole as long as there are people like flatzoid campaigning for it.
@@RayHeesen I think his online personality is different than his real life. He seems like he has a decent family life. His wife doesn't care one bit about flat earth. I've seen him perform dance routines and other activities with friends in the community. He has an exercise channel. He appears to live a clean life. His explanations of why he latched into flat earth seem to be entirely religiously motivated and he's certainly not the only one. Sean Griffin from Focus on the Kingdom I think this group is named actually makes a lot of sense determining the Bibles message, though he's Unitarian and flatzoid is a Jesus is God guy. I have a pretty extensive background in the Jehovahs Witness movement and a lot of what they say on the surface makes a lot of sense, particularly the early stuff, in historical context. I think in 30 years a good lot of myths and pseudoscience will go away, unfortunately I won't be around to see it but I like seeing any progress these days. 9 million JWs will refuse blood transfusions and would rather die because they believe God will damn them. They can't drop that doctrine yet because of the huge amounts of lawsuits but they will find a way eventually.
I believe the evidence is clear that the debunk community not only impacted the grifters but it very importantly stunted the growth, meaning it stopped new people from being inducted. This community immensely helped me with life, even though I was never susceptible to conspiracy and always thought flat earth was a joke. It helped me to see how to find the truth, it showed me what and how important evidence is. I’m much more confident and think more independently. Not to mention I’ve also learned so much and gained real understanding. I couldn’t imagine this all going away and not being there for others to benefit from. It would be a huge loss to the internet and especially RUclips. Edit: since it was brought up (earth being 10,000 years old), this is another thing I’ve been able to flesh out thanks mainly to MCToon. I no longer have an issue with being a literalist, I believe in God but I can also separate and follow scientific evidence. Edit 2: I do think debunkers can expand but I think it’s very important to at least keep flat earth in check.
@mctoon you made the right choice to release the evidence in bits, as the length of the damage is better to discredit and keep it fresh in people's minds for longer. If you just dumped it all at once and that's it it would have been in the light for a few weeks and they would shove it under the rug
im not a flerf , and con-Vid was a made up agenda to push humanity over to a digital ID and cashless grid... and into smart cities which is a digital prison... nothing has been isolated... all FOI's are empty...
@@dogwalker666 I find it interesting that a belief in one conspiracy theory ultimately resulted in them no longer continuing to believe in that conspiracy theory, along with others like faked moon landings and a globe earth.
@@sparkycjs Cult members leaving a cult is pretty rare, but it at least happens. You almost never hear of a leader leaving their own cult. That almost never happens.
Witsit 100% deserves everything he's copping. Jeran is also getting a taste of his own medicine. But, Jeran is Still playing it safe inside his own bubble. If he was 100% honest, and wanted to know, as he said he doesn't, he would reach out to MCToon, Prof Phil etc, and really put the FE to the Full test and accept the results... Until he does that, I'm going to be skeptical of him and his motives.
Leaving flat earth is like leaving a religion. Getting a theist to no longer believe that a magical deity exists can take years to happen, and they need to come to that conclusion on their own. Jeran may leave FE when he realises there is no good evidence to support it. There are billions of theists believing in magical deities, despite there being no good evidence to support that belief.
@@najtofnin2009 Can you name ten of his "thousands of conspiracies to fall back to"? I'm simply curious, as other than maybe moon landings, the existence of the cosmos, and a magical deity, I would struggle at getting many more than that, let alone "thousands".
@@briannewton3535That’s like comparing apples to assholes lol 😄 Religious people for the most part genuinely do believe there is a god, and a reason to live their lives for him… …flerfs are ALL just contrarian jackasses who did so badly in school, and were called morons by everyone, that a switch flipped in their head and said - ‘If I just pretend to SOUND like I know what I’m talking about, people who are REALLY stupid won’t know any better, they’ll think I’m a genius, and I’ll finally get to be the smartest person in the room while having circumvented all traditional paths to higher education… and ALL I have to do is pretend to think I know that the earth is flat… good god man count me the hell - IN!!! 😳😳😳’ And that’s how flerfs are born 😊 *The More You Know* -🌈💫
@@briannewton3535 Oh damn you got me! Misunderstanding obvious hyperbole on purpose to be technically right is my kryptonite! You win this time, literal man!
Admittedly, I don't follow the flat earth thing as carefully as most, other than checking into MC Toon, Dave McKeegan, Scimandan, and Creaky Blinder almost daily (though I haven’t been doing that for very long). But, it seems the thing that the flat earthers are flocking to now is the "earth measures flat" mantra. I would love to see a concerted response to what the "earth measures flat" thing means and how it is false. If that has been done already and I missed it, my apologies. But, maybe now would be a good time for a renewed response to that.
_Critical Think_ has been demonstrating how the Corolis Effect is stronger on the poles, which would only be possible in a spherical planet. He's got at least two videos demonstrating the Corolis Effect.
@@sixstring007 I think it’s based on their misconception (deliberate or not) that to measure an angle, you need two straight sides ; therefore if you’ve measured an elevation angle, the sides must be flat. Is that circular reasoning? Anyway, it betrays a knowledge of geometry that goes no higher than middle school
I fixed my roof and when it rained it never leaked. I never have to maintain my roof again, job done. Trouble is it always rains. Wilful ignorance will never stop just like the rain and best we can do is direct it to the gutters where it belongs.
Christians tell me that I willfully deny the existence of a magical deity they are unable to present good evidence for. I feel that like flat earth, that should be in the gutter also yet most folk on the planet choose to believe in magic.
I'm genuinely confused about this whole Witsit/Vape argument. If he vaped when he says he didn't then that means the earth is flat? I've never seen anybody grasp at straws so hard. Do they ever stop and think that maybe they are focusing on the wrong thing?
It was literally watching him move the goal posts LIVE. These FlatEarthers brains are so strange. It is like this power addiction they have. I got the sense that flatzoid was getting a big dopamine hit by belittling Jeran. I think he was thinking "IVE GOT HIM. I personally debunked witsit thru Jeran. I GoT HiM GoOd and now everyone will think I'm a flat earth god and globe DeBuNkEr.". I believe these flerfs were dweebs in school and barely graduated and had little to no friends. As grown ups they stumbled onto Mark Sargent or Eric Dubay and both are good speakers and use big words and the flerfs in training do not know the words and believe it. They then feel like they are part of this intelligent group that outsmarted Einstein and NASA and they think everyone is a conspiracy unless they themselves see it and even then they may not believe it. I think you could send them up in a Dragon Capsule and when they look out the portholes and see a round earth they will say the windows are made from fisheye lenses or they are top secret super high definition 500K television screens that hide the flat earth. That's my thoughts
what we are wondering is why did he need to fake it?? we asked a simple question: please show us ur breath. he said u cant see it, and then faked it. tghere is a famous saying which goes: "where there is smoke there is fire." so why fake it?? if we are all living on a spinning wet ball and everything was on the up-and-up, why wouldn't he just say "hey man it doesnt work", oooorrrrr if they are in *cold weather* why couldnt we see his breathe? it si a reasonble quesiton to ask
Almost as bad as grown men calling themselves skeptics. In both cases, those are words one can't identify themselves as. They must be demonstrated, not self-professed. Most professing Skeptics are actually Pseudoskeptics
I used to do Flerf channels a little, I couldn't handle their dogged belief in things that they could not demonstrate to be true. Though somehow I can go to Christian channels where people there are in exactly the same situation as the flerfs 🤭😅
I know. I really hope at some point while listening to somebody scream at them about how they're lying about things they directly witnessed with their own eyes that it dawns on them. "This is exactly what I have been doing to everybody who disagrees with me. I taught them how to react this way. I did this to myself." But I doubt it will. Narcissists are never to blame for their own problems, they are always the machinations and conspiracies of "jealous" other people.
@@creationismsuperthesisguy Some narcissists peddling shite to flerthers don't actually believe the earth is flat, it's a grift, like many preachers talking shite to Christians. Nathan Oakley is the classic grifter who knows the earth is a globe, he gets flerthers to give money so he will say the earth is flat.
I have to admit my attitide towards Jeran is changing. He is earning my respect for standing by his personal observation despite constant attacks from former colleagues.
Happy new yr to Madam and Sir MCToon 🤘😁🤘 from Capetown SouthAfrica! ( another place close to the Antarctic having days and nights while i was following & supporting TFE watching a 24hr sun 😎. I've been asking flatties how this is possible and I get insulted instead 😃)
When visiting Lake Tahoe , it would be good if you could take a drone, takeoff from the dock with the camera pointing to the opposite dock, which in perfect atmospheric conditions shouldn’t be visible until at least 96mtrs in altitude.
@@oregonmoddingYou’re probably right, however, it might be difficult to see the dock which is over 20 miles away, but you should be able to see the opposite shoreline and other low lying objects.
@@AndrewMark-hl9hh Providing the conditions were clear, if you were to fly a DJI Mini 4 drone at an altitude of 100 meters and using 4 x zoom (1080p) , you would be able to see the 12 mile wide shoreline of Lake Tahoe.
Michael, I am in the throws of making a series of videos talking directly to potential flat earth victims including fence sitters. I would love to feature your sundial experiment and wondering if you would share a PDF of the prediction given to you, that you transferred to the ground at Union Glacier. You have my discord and email address. May I thank you in advance.
That was great - seening Jeran getting totally pissed by the obnoxious behaviour of (formerly) fellow flatling was amazing. For many globe denial debates etc. one has the impression that the people are acting, playing a role, are just contrarians, but these seem to have been sincere flatties, that REALLY believe what they regurgitate. It was amazing. It totally fits my definition of the essence of cult. In a cult you declare a slogan as irrefutableTruth. Accepting the slogan makes you OWN The Truth. Now you are a genius that understands, that is intuitively right in all you think, say and do. And when you OWN The Truth. there is no need to KNOW anything about the truth, no need to learn, for curiosity. But this OWNership seems to be so new, so addictive, that the new disciples rather give up the connection to reality than give up the new gut feeling. Fantastic how they did their research - by listening to videos of their flat earth peers and taking EVERYthing for the absolute truth. "True Faith needs no evidence"... already Martin Luther said that in the 1500s.
3:31:01 to flatzoid, cropped RAW files are physically impossible. Any photographer worth their salt will be able to explain that to you. You can't edit RAW files. You always have to export them to another format. Stop lying! Dave McKeegan explained that he just exported the RAW files unedited to JPEG, that's why they're the same. That does not mean they're cropped.
The Sony ARW format has been reverse engineered and works for multiple sensor sizes. The size is recorded in the ImageWidth and ImageHeight fields. Therefore, not only is it physically possible, it wouldn't even take that much time, at least from the flerfers' perspective. If you consider any RAW file, the dng file format is open and popular enough to have many tools that make the process much faster.
The segment with Witsit gave me irony overload. And btw, the kata Dubai was doing, literally the first thing they teach you when you walk into a Wing Chun class as a noob.
And Wing Chun is one of the most absurd impractical martial arts there is, I've only ever seen one wing chun fighter actually win a fight and it was because he stopped doing the silly wing chun moves and just started kickboxing.
That kind of backfired on toon. No pun intended. For those not familiar with the backstory, it kind of makes toon look psychotic lol. Not that the flat earthers could ever recover from the Antarctica experiments.
How many flerfs turned down a free trip. That tells you everything you need to know. They didn't want to be forced to admit that they were standing in the place you can't go and seeing the non existent 24hr sun.
3 : 31 : 10 Fkatzoid says he has seen the raw and jpegs and they are all cropped. Once again Flatxoid lies. I have gone to Dave's Sunspots video uploaded Jan 2, 2025, and used the link in the description to check his google drive. The *.arw files were viewable for me using right click and Open in Preview. Small Sun in lots of of black space exactly as Dave's video showed. Same for the jpegs. So not cropped. I wonder if Flatzpid's viewer showed them zoomed in and Flatzold didn't realise.
Just crowdfund and get a seat on beso blue origin $100 each and there you go you get your conclusive evidence that is with your own eyes. And Nathan Oakley rang round, who. And where are the numbers and people???
It's been said before by many people, but I think it's worth saying again: respect to Jeran for straight up admitting he was wrong about the antarctic day (aka 24-hour sun) and not trying to somehow deny what he witnessed. Takes character to admit a mistake, especially when you understand "your people" are going to blame you for that.
I give Jeran about 3 points for just accepting reality. That's how low the bar is for flerfs. They actually get points for just not lying to themselves about things we can directly observe, witness and verify. However, he already has earned millions of negative points for being a lying fucking twat so his balance is still firmly negative, not even close to break even yet. Maybe if he admits it isn't flat. But we can tell that's not going to happen by now.
A Flerf can't be honest. Jeran is honest which makes Flerfs think he is a glober. Anyone who is going to antactica is honest and therefore not a Flers. This is how I think the Flerfs see the ones who went to Antarctica. Jeran and witsit can really only go two directions. Become a glober or lie and say ok tfe was fake. even tho they know it was not fake but the flerfs would believe him if he would say it was all fake.
Jeran is my new favorite flat earther! He either isnt a flat earther anymore or wont be for much longer. Everything the flattys are saying, he is disagreeing with. Brilliant 😂
MC, I was wondering if you were in agreement with Jeran about the Sun moving in a different direction in Antarctica, as opposed to the Arctic? He's saying on one pole it goes right to left....and the other, left to right. 🤔
@@Adrena1in Ok, ty. Jeran was really driving the point with a caller yesterday. "Vax wax." They also talked about elevation angles. Good call, imo. (6:34:20 for rotation talk)
You have to watch Witsit vs Dustin Nemos moderated by DITRH! Dustin claims “studios” and “CGI”! Witsit and DITRH call these claims stupd cuz he can’t back them up! Talk about IRONY!!!😂 In part 2 Austin emphasizes that he is a flat earther!! Comedy gold!
The flatties will not stop. The algorithm will not stop promoting NEW content. Old content dies and disappears beneath the waves of new content. A lot of flatty mods block competent dissenters pretty quickly meaning their channels are effectively enforced echo chambers. The flatty channels are up and active for hours at a time. They offer a live and active community. Debunkers cannot offer the same up time nor the same level of community encouragement etc. The debunker channels attract interaction from the major flatties. They offer a means to allow commenters to engage without being blocked. The comment interaction on the debunker channels is a valuable community in itself. That goes away if new content is not being produced. The flerf community trains their followers in their crap. Where is the same for globers and the truth if not the debunker channels and their active audience? People calling for flatties to be ignored, are like people claiming if you ignore that annoying lump it will just go away like colds do. I think they are fundamentally wrong.
Flat Earth = Objectively false. Requires denial of reality and assume everyone is either indoctrinated or evil. Young Earth Creationism = Potrays scientists as indoctrinated, so promotes science denial. Promotes jumping to conclusions, and inventing mechanisms to retain belief. Moon landing denial / Mud flood / Tartaria / Holocaust denial = leads to assuming World wide conspiracy that makes history a lie hence all older generation are either indoctrinated or evil.
It's like trying to ignore a crazy person on the subway yelling that aliens from another galaxy stole his jar of toenails while he was saving the world from the flesh eating leprechauns.
25:00 - What is going on with people? You know that you DON'T have to upload the video to youtube, right? You know you can host it on your own website and/or make an actual torrent out of it so we lose NO quality, RIGHT? You know that if you have the file right now you can make it available in about 30 seconds, RIGHT? This is really frustrating how lost both sides are on internet technology. I look exactly like that Jackie Chan meme right now. If I had that file on my hard drive right now, it would be available right now in FULL on my self-hosted filebrowser website where you can download it OR watch it in a browser. While that's available, I'd be using FFMPEG to render to a lower bitrate and/or codec to fit youtube's limitations. Then I would upload the lower quality version to youtube. It's like...... hello? Why is everyone so lost?
Make it a zip folder too. I bet it'll compress into a tiny file given the amount of pixels that are white and blue only. It boggles my mind how an email security specialist hasn't thought about making it available as a torrent or a small zipped folder if it's small enough when compressed.
@@19822andy ZIP files over like 1-5 GB tend to get real tedious. I'm assuming these videos they're talking about are up to 1TB for ONE file. That is way too big for a zip file. You never really want to zip files that large. The better option is to host it locally, raw, for the time being, and then use FFMPEG to lower the quality/resolution until it fits youtube's limits, then upload that. It really hurts to watch all this.
How exactly does one win or lose a debate? There's no panel of judges, no scoring system, no umpire calling strikes and balls. There are no winners or losers in debates. It sounds like a category error. We're talking about debating, and you're thinking about sports.
Can there really be reasonable doubt they would go back at it if you stopped calling them out, when they are denying facts right now while you are showing undeniable evidence?
The issue is the way it’s approached. We assume they will accept the evidence but you notice they just claim folly. You have to get them to identify what they will accept and then do exactly that.
The law issue, here in Sweden, some laws applies to Swedish citizens regardless of where they are. But that is then stated in the law. Those crimes (that I'm aware of) is regarding war crimes, rape, sexual abuse of a minor (I think the term is in English). Other crimes can get you convicted here in Sweden as well, if they also are illegal where you are. So if I stole something in USA, then I could get convicted of theft here in Sweden, even if I did the deed in USA.
I have noticed a growing number of non conspiracy debunking channels, surprisingly "mainstream" news along with science channels, including FlightRadar24 at one stage, bring up The Final Experiment. All have come to the same conclusion. they say the same about the flat earth community as we do. A few of them also differentiate between the two calling them Flat Earthers and Normal people. The normal non debunking world (spherical) appears to be holding the flat earth community up to ridicule.
It's funny to see some of them take the 24h sun as it is absolutely unheard of new information, when we all knew all along and they were just ignoring it!
There's quite a lot of things we know that they ignore. That's why they're flat earthers in the first place - they want to challenge a lot of very basic elements of our understanding of the world. If they just agreed with us on all that stuff, they'd be globers.
2:28:33 They do know what evidence is,its just not the kind they want to see.and it is funny watching jeran and witsit getting flat earth "everythings fake,youre a liar" tactics thrown at them.
Witsit said, he didn't get the Starlink password for many hours and the globers did get it. And he said he didn't know he could bring more bagage in a Flatzoid video. I don't believe this for a second.
Will gave me the password when I asked. Did Austin ask and get refused? No. We all knew the same luggage limitations. Dave, Will, Jon CHOSE to pay the airlines for an additional checked bag and were planning to pay extra for the liggage to Antarctica. This information is in the email sent to everyone. Austin was too lazy to read it.
Norwegian law is mandatory for all Norwegians no matter where they are. Guess it's the same for many other countries as well. It's rarely enforced, but it has happened that people have gotten sentenced for doing something abroad when returning to Norway. It's mainly for really serious crimes. Jarle Andhøy got fined $4.5K and jailed 30 days when his unauthorized trip to Antarctica resulted in 3 deaths.
37:52 I commented on something else saying that would be weird seeing the stars that don’t look familiar like at all and the moon. It just being ice and not “snow” as I know it would be weird also lol.
Flerfs think eye level=if i can see it. If I take a pic of a crack in the sidewalk, did that rise to eye level? They cite photos with zero indication of eye level and say its at eye level. Do they think they can tell if their eyes are pointed down 2 degrees? They're not qualified to even have a conversation about it. Although Jeran has surprised me since the trip, he seems to all of a sudden understand alot more of the globe arguments than other flerfs do
That guy he brought on speaking about his "Null hypothesis" is going on and on how he can try and refute the globe model but that's not important. The globe model has its math and physics for various things. Instead of trying to show any of that is wrong how about you give us the math and the physics of how any of the things we do today, any of the things we observe today, any of the things your hypothesis is trying to refute....how about you give us the math and the physics etc. of how any of that works on a flat earth WITHOUT using existing globe earth math, physics, findings etc?
Flerfs: observations of the sun can't prove the shape of the earth
Also Flerfs: observations of this dude vaping when he says he didn't prove the earth is flat
That's a great point...and it's something they ALWAYS do. Focus on the minute details that are inconsequential to divert from the glaring debunk of FE right in front of you
They're all pathetic. Watching 2x pathetic idiots squabble is even funnier
He was vaping...1 lie all lies...
RUclips: Here's tons of footage of 24h sun in the south
FEs: Pffff. Fake.
TFE: Here's multiple footage from different point of view from 8 differents people that went there themselves and 4 of them are flat earthers
FEs: So actually shadows brrrr, drone went beep beep, omg smoke
Nathan Oakley: this random guy that went to antarctica might have said he didn't witness the 24h sun in antartica, so all sorted out, thank you very much
Your measurements of shadow lengths on the sun dial were my favorite observation! 😊
Flatzoid is really going above and beyond to put his psychosis on full display for everyone to see
Wow, Jeran wants proof people can go to the Moon. People have already been to the Moon, Jeran. You should know how denialism works by now.
Hey, he got a free trip to Antarctica- you can't blame him for trying 😂
@@Hiforest You have a point 😂 Maybe the goal is to get Will to sponsor another trip so Jeran can be the first one to smoke weed on the Moon 😂
@@HiforestMy thoughts exactly 😂
Nobody landed on the moon 😂 can't believe you nerds believe the pseudoscience of the heliocentric doctrine. It's hilarious.
@jaykay9286 yeah, just like with TFE, Ill trust the people who went to the moon instead of you, who hasnt gone to the moon.
Why did you think anyone will trust you? 🤣
Jeran: All the globe predictions came true and were right, but flat earth doesn't have any predictions
Ooooh..so close Jeran.. take it one step further!
Hearing him say this yet still hold onto the FE truly boggled me, do close yet so far
I think with TFE Jeran is probably the smartest and least intellectually dishonest flat earther out there, but that's saying something...
Wow Jeran is spot on. Flat earthers claim handicap rules and brag about it. Then laugh at globers for playing by the rules and WINNING
Only problem is the lights in the sky aren't in the domain of science.
@@BeckyUrness What does that even mean? If something exists, it's within the domain of science.
@@nio804flat earthers are artists at making confident yet baffling statements
Flatties pre 2024: There is no 24 hour sun on antarctica and you cant go there. Since 2024: 24 hour on antarctica proves flat earth.
Pretzel making at it's best
The "no footprints in the snow" bs is perfectly debunked by Dave McKeegan's timelapse videos which show HUNDREDS of footprints appearing.
Like the issue with people who've only been in the northern hemisphere, not understanding how things work in the south; people who don't get freezing, snow and ice regularly, don't understand how any of that works. 🙃
@@MiddleMalcolm - yeah, they simply have no real-world experience of things they're scoffing at. I've been on winter holidays a few times and I know packed and piste-bashed snow is like concrete when the air temperature gets super cold.
@Adrena1in The snow groomer is a whole other thing. Hearing flerfs pointing out the "lines" as if they were having some kind of gotcha moment. 😆
Yup. I did a vid on this.
According to The Protocol on Environmental Protection to the Antarctic Treaty, which was signed in Madrid on October 4, 1991 and entered into force in 1998, no non indigenous plants or seeds are allowed.
Our base used to grow tomatoes hydropoincally, but this is no longer ollowed. We even got a fine for having a christmas tree on the ship taking us there. So no, they would not be allowed to grow pot there.
Smoking pot was very illegal when I was a teen. That never stopped us.
McToon, that Sun spots video, that is the coolest thing coming out of your trip guys!! Other than the fact that you all did go of course.
I am a science fan, an architect, teaching 3D animation at high school. And I'd like to believe that i can properly explain what the star is and how it forms and works. But I have never seen anything so marvelously satisfying than this clear evidence that our Sun is indeed a rotating spherical object. So epic it gives me shivers.
Well done all you did there guys. Well fucking done!
If you all stop trying to debunk these liars, they'll just claim that you ran away because you were exposed and probably gain more popularity.
There will always be a popularity in magical thinking that we see in flat earth. It's essentially a religion. They have a doctrine that there is no good evidence to support, yet they continue to believe it anyway because they want or need to believe it. We can say the same for the religious, there are many magical deities out there. 75% of the world believe in magic, and it seems that more than 75% of flerfs additionally believe in magical deities. I just find the belief in flat earth and religion almost identical.
It is the argumentum ad infinitum tactic, yes. Which has it's advantages and drawbacks. Yeah it can create the appearance that you "won" the argument (when in reality any "victory" you did get, was probably earned because your adversary was just annoyed and exhausted by you, and declared you the winner just to get you to shut up) but you don't really build a lot of support for your cause or real allies. Hence they could only get like the three dumbest flerfs to actually go to antarctica. Nobody is actually willing to really do anything to support this cause. A few will send money in super chats or like or comment on things but that's about it.
True. Kinda committed now 😂
Shall people still focus on flat earth? Of course.
There are 2 reasons why we should stay with a boot on FE's neck.
1) To counter the disinformation to those who seriously have doubts for whatever reason. If they see a Toon or another debunker rip apart misinformation they can see for themselves there are answers. The preponderance of evidence for the globe is so overwhelming that denying it is akin to denying reality.
2) To provide a positive space/community. As much as I dislike the term "Glober" we do have a group of honest, friendly people who are willing to catch and teach FE victims before they swirl down the drain. We have caught a few and have even converted big flerfers. Our chat and community has a lot to do with that.
I remember the fight against YEC in the early days and we did not stop until it was a complete joke, unworthy of addressing anymore. We can't stop until it's gone and such a joke that nobody would touch it.
Unfortunately YEC is resurfacing as well with the flerf stuff. Honestly I think that is probably one of the biggest reason there are flerfs. "Oh you thought we were ridiculous when we were just YEC's? Hold my beer." If you were to draw a venn diagram of flerfs who are also yecs it would virtually be a circle. Now by comparison the YEC's even look somewhat sane or rational. Hell they even had one on the team for TFE, Will Duffy.
@19822andy
It's ones that go after like the look alike from Chellenger and say they arent dead accusing and not caring that they are making up this stuff.
After TFE the unhinged-ness of flerfs are getting worse, if unhinged-ness is a word.
But I love their tears.
I'm just glad to hear that Jaren is actually fighting back like especially against that Mexican FLERF who said "oh I don't care about the sun anymore" when that was an undeniable"fact" that no 24 hour sun in Antarctica would NOT EVER EVER happen and it did happen. As predicted. I'm glad he is saying the globe predicted everything and flat earth predicted nothing right. Not a thing.
Yep, and the infighting is hilarious to watch. FE is being destroyed by Flerfs...
@@tysondog843 it is the infighting that I find entertaining, though they truly savage their own. I remember them driving Patricia Steere out of their community a few years back. The phrase "there is no hate quite like Christian love can be associated to FE I feel.
@@briannewton3535 And Jeran and Witsit helped teach that, hate, to the people they are copping it from. Poetic.
I see so many people saying things like "Wow, I actually feel kind of sorry for these guys." NO. STOP THAT. Don't. You wouldn't feel sorry for any other cult leader facing consequences, don't feel sorry for these guys. They would literally be doing the exact same stuff it they thought they could get away with it.
So according to flerfs now, the new debate is if Witshit vaped or not. Forget the 24 hour sun there, not that imporant.
Respect to Jeran, but he kinda created that mindless cult, and now it's like watching a 2 Jerans 1 cup type situation.
Cool Hard Logic picked Jeran up on his disinformation ages ago. He's definitely one of the main players in spreading this stuff and creating the community surrounding it.
If Jeran plays this right he can release a lot of people from the shackles of flerfism but my instincts tell me that he is not going to mess with his meal ticket.
Your listening to someone who thinks you can get 3 nights into 2?The person who took them to Antarctica believes the same,And then taking the piss out of people that believe the world is flat
@@19822andy Of course he's not. What cult leader says "Hey, I know you all give me money attention, praise, (probably even sex? Jeran makes his wife a part of his show a lot and I bet all the attention gets her real hot and bothered.) and all that stuff, but actually I figure I should come clean. I've been lying to you all, so stop giving me that stuff."??? No, they will only admit it when the cost for maintaining the delusion is higher than the reward which it currently isn't. It will cost him so much to admit the truth even now.
Thanks for creating the contents of my next fever dream with that descriptive image 😂
One flerf actually requested a 24 hour live stream of the entire trip. Like are you serious ???? Do they know how hard that would be.......24 hour continuous uninterrupted internet connection for 4-5 days. Flerfs request the dumbest crap. Even if they did provide what he asked they still wouldn't believe it. Theres always something with these flerfs. Theyre NEVER EVER happy.
They will call every single shred of evidence fake instead of going and showing the "fakery" themselves
Flerfs DESIGN their requests to be impossible to fulfill. "demonstrate water sticking to a ball" (show me gravity on a scale model in a laboratory within Earth's gravity field). Gravity does not scale and (as far as we know..) can't be "blocked". The only way to assemble a "scale model" which demonstrates Earth-like gravity, is to obtain an Earth-equivalent mass of material, somewhere in space which is not adjacent to any significant gravity fields, and push the experiment material into a planet sized ball. Flerfs know that humanity does not have this capability, and THIS IS WHY they specify this, and nothing else, as their requirement to "prove gravity".
It wouldn't have worked anyways. They request it because they hope you can't do it.
I bet that even if you take them to space they will say it 's a globe earth projection screen or smt. But let's not give ideas.
They believe the 24 sun in the artic. Where’s the 24/7 live stream they use to confirm that?
Flerfs must be incredibly fit. Those goalposts being shifted so much.
The talk between Jeran and Austin is so painfully hilarious 😂
They think watching a tik tok video is research - what do you think is the reason for that, Austin? Is it possible you might have played a part in this?
God, the lack of self-awareness is offensive 😂
"If he drank water, why doesn’t he have ice crystals on his beard?" -Flatzoid 2025
Bruh, I’m crying 😂😂😂😂😭😭😭
Enough discussion. The sky is blue the earth is a globe the sun is 150 000 000 kilometers away, the earth has two poles. Period
That’s mean. The flerfs want to be special. Don’t insecure them with reality.
Flatzoid crashed so hard, his last brain cell is looking for a way out! The madnes is of the charts!
Witsit completely destroyed him and exposed his stupidity for all to see. He's been on damage control every day since😂😂😂
Fkatzoid doesn't innerstand a lot of things. He lacks 11 frames of in his last braincell.
Oh my god.....its "Vape Gate" now 😂.
Anything to ignore the light in the sky
As a fellow SouthAfrican of flatzoid's (unfortunately), I now understand why he is doing the grift , and his desperacy now. If he is getting youtube or superchat money in say $'s , it exchanges to big money in our weak SouthAfrican Rand.
Maybe that has something to do with it but I can't imagine Google is paying him much and I used to troll his channel a lot and he'd get a few $2 or $5 superchats but not much. I think he does it for friendship and camaraderie.
@@cygnustsp I think it is more that he has spent his life as the dimwit in any group he found himself in, and now he has people like SSUM and that drunk Scot to make him feel smart.
@cygnustsp for sure can be. And even "protecting" the community with the apologetics. It's just that after TFE the "arguments" etc against are just way to desperate.
And it must be an online community, maybe there's a hand full more but he is the 1st fellow SA flatty I've encountered. Pity we ar3 not in the same area, I would meet up with him and .. chat😃
@@cygnustsp He does it because he thinks he's being a keyboard warrior for god. When it's really the opposite; I won't touch religion with a ten foot pole as long as there are people like flatzoid campaigning for it.
@@RayHeesen I think his online personality is different than his real life. He seems like he has a decent family life. His wife doesn't care one bit about flat earth. I've seen him perform dance routines and other activities with friends in the community. He has an exercise channel. He appears to live a clean life. His explanations of why he latched into flat earth seem to be entirely religiously motivated and he's certainly not the only one. Sean Griffin from Focus on the Kingdom I think this group is named actually makes a lot of sense determining the Bibles message, though he's Unitarian and flatzoid is a Jesus is God guy. I have a pretty extensive background in the Jehovahs Witness movement and a lot of what they say on the surface makes a lot of sense, particularly the early stuff, in historical context. I think in 30 years a good lot of myths and pseudoscience will go away, unfortunately I won't be around to see it but I like seeing any progress these days. 9 million JWs will refuse blood transfusions and would rather die because they believe God will damn them. They can't drop that doctrine yet because of the huge amounts of lawsuits but they will find a way eventually.
I believe the evidence is clear that the debunk community not only impacted the grifters but it very importantly stunted the growth, meaning it stopped new people from being inducted. This community immensely helped me with life, even though I was never susceptible to conspiracy and always thought flat earth was a joke. It helped me to see how to find the truth, it showed me what and how important evidence is. I’m much more confident and think more independently. Not to mention I’ve also learned so much and gained real understanding. I couldn’t imagine this all going away and not being there for others to benefit from. It would be a huge loss to the internet and especially RUclips.
Edit: since it was brought up (earth being 10,000 years old), this is another thing I’ve been able to flesh out thanks mainly to MCToon. I no longer have an issue with being a literalist, I believe in God but I can also separate and follow scientific evidence.
Edit 2: I do think debunkers can expand but I think it’s very important to at least keep flat earth in check.
@mctoon you made the right choice to release the evidence in bits, as the length of the damage is better to discredit and keep it fresh in people's minds for longer. If you just dumped it all at once and that's it it would have been in the light for a few weeks and they would shove it under the rug
Given the file sizes he doesn't have a choice 😂
The flat earther I met said he didn't believe the Corona virus was real.
It's not real
I tell Christians that I don't think their god is real. They feel I'm daft not believing in magic.
im not a flerf , and con-Vid was a made up agenda to push humanity over to a digital ID and cashless grid...
and into smart cities which is a digital prison...
nothing has been isolated...
all FOI's are empty...
They all say that including the two who became un alive because of it! .
@@dogwalker666 I find it interesting that a belief in one conspiracy theory ultimately resulted in them no longer continuing to believe in that conspiracy theory, along with others like faked moon landings and a globe earth.
Holy crap how much farther is Jaren going to need to go until he leaves flat earth??
It takes people time to leave a cult. I think he's in the early stages.
@@sparkycjs Wishful thinking. He is not just in a cult. He is leading his own cult. He's not going to give that up.
@@sparkycjs Cult members leaving a cult is pretty rare, but it at least happens. You almost never hear of a leader leaving their own cult. That almost never happens.
He’ll give it up when the money dries up.
Witsit 100% deserves everything he's copping. Jeran is also getting a taste of his own medicine. But, Jeran is Still playing it safe inside his own bubble. If he was 100% honest, and wanted to know, as he said he doesn't, he would reach out to MCToon, Prof Phil etc, and really put the FE to the Full test and accept the results... Until he does that, I'm going to be skeptical of him and his motives.
Leaving flat earth is like leaving a religion. Getting a theist to no longer believe that a magical deity exists can take years to happen, and they need to come to that conclusion on their own. Jeran may leave FE when he realises there is no good evidence to support it. There are billions of theists believing in magical deities, despite there being no good evidence to support that belief.
@@briannewton3535 He still has his other thousands of conspiracies to fall back to.
@@najtofnin2009 Can you name ten of his "thousands of conspiracies to fall back to"? I'm simply curious, as other than maybe moon landings, the existence of the cosmos, and a magical deity, I would struggle at getting many more than that, let alone "thousands".
@@briannewton3535That’s like comparing apples to assholes lol 😄 Religious people for the most part genuinely do believe there is a god, and a reason to live their lives for him…
…flerfs are ALL just contrarian jackasses who did so badly in school, and were called morons by everyone, that a switch flipped in their head and said - ‘If I just pretend to SOUND like I know what I’m talking about, people who are REALLY stupid won’t know any better, they’ll think I’m a genius, and I’ll finally get to be the smartest person in the room while having circumvented all traditional paths to higher education… and ALL I have to do is pretend to think I know that the earth is flat… good god man count me the hell - IN!!! 😳😳😳’
And that’s how flerfs are born 😊
*The More You Know* -🌈💫
@@briannewton3535 Oh damn you got me! Misunderstanding obvious hyperbole on purpose to be technically right is my kryptonite! You win this time, literal man!
Admittedly, I don't follow the flat earth thing as carefully as most, other than checking into MC Toon, Dave McKeegan, Scimandan, and Creaky Blinder almost daily (though I haven’t been doing that for very long). But, it seems the thing that the flat earthers are flocking to now is the "earth measures flat" mantra. I would love to see a concerted response to what the "earth measures flat" thing means and how it is false. If that has been done already and I missed it, my apologies. But, maybe now would be a good time for a renewed response to that.
"earth measures flat" means "it looks flat when I look at it with my eyes." Literally that's it.
_Critical Think_ has been demonstrating how the Corolis Effect is stronger on the poles, which would only be possible in a spherical planet. He's got at least two videos demonstrating the Corolis Effect.
@@creationismsuperthesisguy , okay. But, I'd still like to see a renewed emphasis on confronting the "earth measures flat" statement.
@@sixstring007 I think it’s based on their misconception (deliberate or not) that to measure an angle, you need two straight sides ; therefore if you’ve measured an elevation angle, the sides must be flat. Is that circular reasoning? Anyway, it betrays a knowledge of geometry that goes no higher than middle school
I fixed my roof and when it rained it never leaked. I never have to maintain my roof again, job done. Trouble is it always rains. Wilful ignorance will never stop just like the rain and best we can do is direct it to the gutters where it belongs.
Christians tell me that I willfully deny the existence of a magical deity they are unable to present good evidence for. I feel that like flat earth, that should be in the gutter also yet most folk on the planet choose to believe in magic.
Nice analogy
I'm genuinely confused about this whole Witsit/Vape argument.
If he vaped when he says he didn't then that means the earth is flat? I've never seen anybody grasp at straws so hard. Do they ever stop and think that maybe they are focusing on the wrong thing?
It was literally watching him move the goal posts LIVE. These FlatEarthers brains are so strange. It is like this power addiction they have. I got the sense that flatzoid was getting a big dopamine hit by belittling Jeran. I think he was thinking "IVE GOT HIM. I personally debunked witsit thru Jeran. I GoT HiM GoOd and now everyone will think I'm a flat earth god and globe DeBuNkEr.".
I believe these flerfs were dweebs in school and barely graduated and had little to no friends. As grown ups they stumbled onto Mark Sargent or Eric Dubay and both are good speakers and use big words and the flerfs in training do not know the words and believe it. They then feel like they are part of this intelligent group that outsmarted Einstein and NASA and they think everyone is a conspiracy unless they themselves see it and even then they may not believe it. I think you could send them up in a Dragon Capsule and when they look out the portholes and see a round earth they will say the windows are made from fisheye lenses or they are top secret super high definition 500K television screens that hide the flat earth. That's my thoughts
what we are wondering is why did he need to fake it?? we asked a simple question: please show us ur breath. he said u cant see it, and then faked it. tghere is a famous saying which goes: "where there is smoke there is fire." so why fake it?? if we are all living on a spinning wet ball and everything was on the up-and-up, why wouldn't he just say "hey man it doesnt work", oooorrrrr if they are in *cold weather* why couldnt we see his breathe? it si a reasonble quesiton to ask
@onethreeify
Witsit is an idiot and known liar. Why does he do anything he does?
It still has no bearing on the shape of the earth.
Hey mctoon. Love your content and what your doing. So not give up. Just because we had a win does not mean we win. They will fight more now then ever.
These grown men calling themselves truthers cracks me up every time.
Almost as bad as grown men calling themselves skeptics.
In both cases, those are words one can't identify themselves as. They must be demonstrated, not self-professed.
Most professing Skeptics are actually Pseudoskeptics
It takes a special kind of asshole to ruin the words Truth and Skeptic.
Listening to some of the debaters in Jeran's stream, I can almost physically feel his pain and helplessness.
I used to do Flerf channels a little, I couldn't handle their dogged belief in things that they could not demonstrate to be true. Though somehow I can go to Christian channels where people there are in exactly the same situation as the flerfs 🤭😅
Jeran is a big reason they act like they do, he is just getting the result of what he produced.
I know. I really hope at some point while listening to somebody scream at them about how they're lying about things they directly witnessed with their own eyes that it dawns on them. "This is exactly what I have been doing to everybody who disagrees with me. I taught them how to react this way. I did this to myself." But I doubt it will. Narcissists are never to blame for their own problems, they are always the machinations and conspiracies of "jealous" other people.
@@creationismsuperthesisguy Some narcissists peddling shite to flerthers don't actually believe the earth is flat, it's a grift, like many preachers talking shite to Christians. Nathan Oakley is the classic grifter who knows the earth is a globe, he gets flerthers to give money so he will say the earth is flat.
@@briannewton3535 totally agree
I have to admit my attitide towards Jeran is changing. He is earning my respect for standing by his personal observation despite constant attacks from former colleagues.
Yes, and another cult leader falling , good news for the brainwashed individuals who follow them 👍
However, he still doesn't accept that the earth is a spherical planet.
Happy new yr to Madam and Sir MCToon 🤘😁🤘 from Capetown SouthAfrica! ( another place close to the Antarctic having days and nights while i was following & supporting TFE watching a 24hr sun 😎. I've been asking flatties how this is possible and I get insulted instead 😃)
Good on Jeran for calling them on their nonsense "nuh uh" denials. Toon, do you have any news on how Lisbeth is faring with her community?
When visiting Lake Tahoe , it would be good if you could take a drone, takeoff from the dock with the camera pointing to the opposite dock, which in perfect atmospheric conditions shouldn’t be visible until at least 96mtrs in altitude.
Great idea but unless you have a military quality drone they won't have a drone with the camera needed to zoom in enough to see it
@@oregonmoddingYou’re probably right, however, it might be difficult to see the dock which is over 20 miles away, but you should be able to see the opposite shoreline and other low lying objects.
@@Xile73 Lol yeah right boy what you smoking?
@@AndrewMark-hl9hh Providing the conditions were clear, if you were to fly a DJI Mini 4 drone at an altitude of 100 meters and using 4 x zoom (1080p) , you would be able to see the 12 mile wide shoreline of Lake Tahoe.
Have you seen on Flatzoid's channel "Am I too harsh"" where he accusesd you of adding his email address and showed how it could be done?
We know Fkatzoid is a compulsive liar but it's the pretend religious angle that makes it so much worse.
Michael, I am in the throws of making a series of videos talking directly to potential flat earth victims including fence sitters. I would love to feature your sundial experiment and wondering if you would share a PDF of the prediction given to you, that you transferred to the ground at Union Glacier. You have my discord and email address. May I thank you in advance.
That was great - seening Jeran getting totally pissed by the obnoxious behaviour of (formerly) fellow flatling was amazing.
For many globe denial debates etc. one has the impression that the people are acting, playing a role, are just contrarians, but these seem to have been sincere flatties, that REALLY believe what they regurgitate.
It was amazing. It totally fits my definition of the essence of cult.
In a cult you declare a slogan as irrefutableTruth.
Accepting the slogan makes you OWN The Truth.
Now you are a genius that understands, that is intuitively right in all you think, say and do.
And when you OWN The Truth. there is no need to KNOW anything about the truth, no need to learn, for curiosity.
But this OWNership seems to be so new, so addictive, that the new disciples rather give up the connection to reality than give up the new gut feeling.
Fantastic how they did their research - by listening to videos of their flat earth peers and taking EVERYthing for the absolute truth.
"True Faith needs no evidence"... already Martin Luther said that in the 1500s.
Thanks!
3:31:01 to flatzoid, cropped RAW files are physically impossible. Any photographer worth their salt will be able to explain that to you. You can't edit RAW files. You always have to export them to another format. Stop lying!
Dave McKeegan explained that he just exported the RAW files unedited to JPEG, that's why they're the same. That does not mean they're cropped.
The Sony ARW format has been reverse engineered and works for multiple sensor sizes. The size is recorded in the ImageWidth and ImageHeight fields. Therefore, not only is it physically possible, it wouldn't even take that much time, at least from the flerfers' perspective.
If you consider any RAW file, the dng file format is open and popular enough to have many tools that make the process much faster.
The segment with Witsit gave me irony overload.
And btw, the kata Dubai was doing, literally the first thing they teach you when you walk into a Wing Chun class as a noob.
And Wing Chun is one of the most absurd impractical martial arts there is, I've only ever seen one wing chun fighter actually win a fight and it was because he stopped doing the silly wing chun moves and just started kickboxing.
2:29:32 Epic speech, well worth emphasizing.
»Jeran taught the community to do that. This is Jeran's teaching in action.«
Cheers, MCToon!
Where are the guns Nathan?!
Also, where's his honesty.
😉
That kind of backfired on toon. No pun intended. For those not familiar with the backstory, it kind of makes toon look psychotic lol.
Not that the flat earthers could ever recover from the Antarctica experiments.
Now this is an intro I don't skip. Actually I wanted to listen to the music more.
McToon is well capable of pleasant musical surprises.
None of the Flerfs wanted to go because they all already knew what would happen if they did, and what would happen afterwards, so why bother?
How many flerfs turned down a free trip. That tells you everything you need to know. They didn't want to be forced to admit that they were standing in the place you can't go and seeing the non existent 24hr sun.
Listening to these people is so difficult. It's really sad.
@macnzdOf course. Game over, globies.
I'm really enjoying the great debunking of flat earth
3 : 31 : 10 Fkatzoid says he has seen the raw and jpegs and they are all cropped. Once again Flatxoid lies. I have gone to Dave's Sunspots video uploaded Jan 2, 2025, and used the link in the description to check his google drive. The *.arw files were viewable for me using right click and Open in Preview. Small Sun in lots of of black space exactly as Dave's video showed. Same for the jpegs. So not cropped. I wonder if Flatzpid's viewer showed them zoomed in and Flatzold didn't realise.
don't they know you can't look at the vape to determine the flatness of the ground?
This is better entertainment then what you get from the multi billion dollar TV networks.
Why do you think "reality" shows are so popular?
Jeran is not the hero we wanted, but the one we needed.
Just crowdfund and get a seat on beso blue origin $100 each and there you go you get your conclusive evidence that is with your own eyes. And Nathan Oakley rang round, who. And where are the numbers and people???
As soon as Duffy announces free trips to space for flerfs, I'm officially joining flat earth 😂
BOOM at 2:28:54. If you can't watch the whole video, watch this. Great job Toon!
Watching flerfs use Jerans ‘debunk’ technique against him is just 🧑🍳 💋
Imagine what could be accomplished if they used their time, energy and intelligence to improve the world.
We should bring Flatzoid to Antarctica next summer and pick him back up when the sun sets
It's been said before by many people, but I think it's worth saying again: respect to Jeran for straight up admitting he was wrong about the antarctic day (aka 24-hour sun) and not trying to somehow deny what he witnessed. Takes character to admit a mistake, especially when you understand "your people" are going to blame you for that.
I give Jeran about 3 points for just accepting reality. That's how low the bar is for flerfs. They actually get points for just not lying to themselves about things we can directly observe, witness and verify. However, he already has earned millions of negative points for being a lying fucking twat so his balance is still firmly negative, not even close to break even yet. Maybe if he admits it isn't flat. But we can tell that's not going to happen by now.
A Flerf can't be honest. Jeran is honest which makes Flerfs think he is a glober. Anyone who is going to antactica is honest and therefore not a Flers. This is how I think the Flerfs see the ones who went to Antarctica. Jeran and witsit can really only go two directions. Become a glober or lie and say ok tfe was fake. even tho they know it was not fake but the flerfs would believe him if he would say it was all fake.
Jeran is my new favorite flat earther! He either isnt a flat earther anymore or wont be for much longer. Everything the flattys are saying, he is disagreeing with. Brilliant 😂
@2:22:30 - You can also see that in 21 hours, the sun doesn't change size.
Good point. 👍
What is the correct term for papa-flerf disciples? Flerflings?
Florons.
W@nkers.
Baby flerfs.
gullableions
I'm not sure they have a term for it, but I think they say, "baaaaa" 😂
MC, I was wondering if you were in agreement with Jeran about the Sun moving in a different direction in Antarctica, as opposed to the Arctic? He's saying on one pole it goes right to left....and the other, left to right. 🤔
He's correct. In the Arctic you have to turn clockwise to follow the sun, but anticlockwise in the Antarctic.
@@Adrena1in Ok, ty. Jeran was really driving the point with a caller yesterday. "Vax wax." They also talked about elevation angles. Good call, imo. (6:34:20 for rotation talk)
You have to watch Witsit vs Dustin Nemos moderated by DITRH! Dustin claims “studios” and “CGI”! Witsit and DITRH call these claims stupd cuz he can’t back them up! Talk about IRONY!!!😂 In part 2 Austin emphasizes that he is a flat earther!! Comedy gold!
The flatties will not stop. The algorithm will not stop promoting NEW content. Old content dies and disappears beneath the waves of new content. A lot of flatty mods block competent dissenters pretty quickly meaning their channels are effectively enforced echo chambers. The flatty channels are up and active for hours at a time. They offer a live and active community. Debunkers cannot offer the same up time nor the same level of community encouragement etc.
The debunker channels attract interaction from the major flatties. They offer a means to allow commenters to engage without being blocked. The comment interaction on the debunker channels is a valuable community in itself. That goes away if new content is not being produced.
The flerf community trains their followers in their crap. Where is the same for globers and the truth if not the debunker channels and their active audience?
People calling for flatties to be ignored, are like people claiming if you ignore that annoying lump it will just go away like colds do. I think they are fundamentally wrong.
Flat Earth = Objectively false. Requires denial of reality and assume everyone is either indoctrinated or evil.
Young Earth Creationism = Potrays scientists as indoctrinated, so promotes science denial. Promotes jumping to conclusions, and inventing mechanisms to retain belief.
Moon landing denial / Mud flood / Tartaria / Holocaust denial = leads to assuming World wide conspiracy that makes history a lie hence all older generation are either indoctrinated or evil.
It's like trying to ignore a crazy person on the subway yelling that aliens from another galaxy stole his jar of toenails while he was saving the world from the flesh eating leprechauns.
It really sounds like Jeran and McToon have an unlikely bromance forming. I don't think they expected to start respecting each other so much.
25:00 - What is going on with people? You know that you DON'T have to upload the video to youtube, right? You know you can host it on your own website and/or make an actual torrent out of it so we lose NO quality, RIGHT?
You know that if you have the file right now you can make it available in about 30 seconds, RIGHT?
This is really frustrating how lost both sides are on internet technology. I look exactly like that Jackie Chan meme right now.
If I had that file on my hard drive right now, it would be available right now in FULL on my self-hosted filebrowser website where you can download it OR watch it in a browser.
While that's available, I'd be using FFMPEG to render to a lower bitrate and/or codec to fit youtube's limitations. Then I would upload the lower quality version to youtube.
It's like...... hello? Why is everyone so lost?
Great comment/avatar synergy.
Make it a zip folder too. I bet it'll compress into a tiny file given the amount of pixels that are white and blue only.
It boggles my mind how an email security specialist hasn't thought about making it available as a torrent or a small zipped folder if it's small enough when compressed.
@@19822andy ZIP files over like 1-5 GB tend to get real tedious. I'm assuming these videos they're talking about are up to 1TB for ONE file. That is way too big for a zip file. You never really want to zip files that large.
The better option is to host it locally, raw, for the time being, and then use FFMPEG to lower the quality/resolution until it fits youtube's limits, then upload that.
It really hurts to watch all this.
OMG Witsit - stop talking for once in your life !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How exactly does one win or lose a debate?
There's no panel of judges, no scoring system, no umpire calling strikes and balls.
There are no winners or losers in debates.
It sounds like a category error.
We're talking about debating, and you're thinking about sports.
I was watching Jeran last night before going to bed. Trolling TH out of the chat. Good fun.
2:31:42 tough learning curve for jeren for sure.. fair play to him tho for taking it like a champ
Can there really be reasonable doubt they would go back at it if you stopped calling them out, when they are denying facts right now while you are showing undeniable evidence?
The issue is the way it’s approached. We assume they will accept the evidence but you notice they just claim folly. You have to get them to identify what they will accept and then do exactly that.
What did Lizbeth contribute to the trip? Didn't really see her do anything, has she got a channel or spoken about the trip anywhere?
Is she only on TikTok?
The law issue, here in Sweden, some laws applies to Swedish citizens regardless of where they are. But that is then stated in the law. Those crimes (that I'm aware of) is regarding war crimes, rape, sexual abuse of a minor (I think the term is in English). Other crimes can get you convicted here in Sweden as well, if they also are illegal where you are. So if I stole something in USA, then I could get convicted of theft here in Sweden, even if I did the deed in USA.
That Jeran steam was one of the funniest things I’ve witnessed in a long time…
I have noticed a growing number of non conspiracy debunking channels, surprisingly "mainstream" news along with science channels, including FlightRadar24 at one stage, bring up The Final Experiment. All have come to the same conclusion. they say the same about the flat earth community as we do. A few of them also differentiate between the two calling them Flat Earthers and Normal people.
The normal non debunking world (spherical) appears to be holding the flat earth community up to ridicule.
Indeed. It's not the "globe side" but the "rational side" - AKA "normal people" 😂
1:35:27 - Jeran is so close. Just a little more, one more step, and he'll get it.
Flatzoid has never noticed people vaping before. When you blow out the vapour it is quite noticable, not the little bit of vapour Witsit blew out.
Man, that intro tune goes way harder than it should.
It's funny to see some of them take the 24h sun as it is absolutely unheard of new information, when we all knew all along and they were just ignoring it!
There's quite a lot of things we know that they ignore. That's why they're flat earthers in the first place - they want to challenge a lot of very basic elements of our understanding of the world. If they just agreed with us on all that stuff, they'd be globers.
You all solved the question. So now what will you report about besides them?
They keep talking about refraction and reflection like it wouldn't alter the heat energy from the sun at the observer's location...
2:28:33 They do know what evidence is,its just not the kind they want to see.and it is funny watching jeran and witsit getting flat earth "everythings fake,youre a liar" tactics thrown at them.
So even when he did vape, what does that say? And he did it only once in his livestream, so what would be the point of doing it once?
The sonorities of “Sun mirage” took me back to my youth 😀
Nice toon(see what I did there)
I have to rewatch the footage but I think it’s Witless putting on his gloves,in Fkatzoid’s video.
Where's the guns Nathan? I don't see any guns, Nathan!
Witsit said, he didn't get the Starlink password for many hours and the globers did get it. And he said he didn't know he could bring more bagage in a Flatzoid video. I don't believe this for a second.
Will gave me the password when I asked. Did Austin ask and get refused? No.
We all knew the same luggage limitations. Dave, Will, Jon CHOSE to pay the airlines for an additional checked bag and were planning to pay extra for the liggage to Antarctica. This information is in the email sent to everyone. Austin was too lazy to read it.
@@MCToon Yeah, Witsit makes stuff up on the fly. I couldn't think of a single reason for Will to refuse the password.
The cognitive dissonance on display here is monumental. A gold mine for any social psychologist out there.
Wait, McToon you don’t think the isotope decay rate can tell us the approximate age of the earth? Maybe this could be a fun thing to look into?
Jeran seems very close to being an advocate for actual evidence. 🌍
Norwegian law is mandatory for all Norwegians no matter where they are. Guess it's the same for many other countries as well.
It's rarely enforced, but it has happened that people have gotten sentenced for doing something abroad when returning to Norway. It's mainly for really serious crimes.
Jarle Andhøy got fined $4.5K and jailed 30 days when his unauthorized trip to Antarctica resulted in 3 deaths.
But that’s not right.
The laser weapon equipped penguins would have prevented him from getting past the 60th parallel. Obviously 🙄
@@SamualRobotham-IWasOnlyKidding the penguins didn't have lasers then. And I think the penguins are not at that side/location.🦄
I think Jaren is the perfect bridge between flatearthers and globers.
Maybe it's his new calling lol
I too have gained respect for Jeran.
Witsit hits it, Witsit sounds baked.
37:52 I commented on something else saying that would be weird seeing the stars that don’t look familiar like at all and the moon. It just being ice and not “snow” as I know it would be weird also lol.
The moon was only barely above the horizon in South America, and it was cloudy so only peeked out occasionally.
Flerfs think eye level=if i can see it. If I take a pic of a crack in the sidewalk, did that rise to eye level? They cite photos with zero indication of eye level and say its at eye level. Do they think they can tell if their eyes are pointed down 2 degrees? They're not qualified to even have a conversation about it. Although Jeran has surprised me since the trip, he seems to all of a sudden understand alot more of the globe arguments than other flerfs do
46:43 TEACH CRITICAL THINKING!!!!!!! Instead of flat earth if it fades into oblivion!
That guy he brought on speaking about his "Null hypothesis" is going on and on how he can try and refute the globe model but that's not important. The globe model has its math and physics for various things. Instead of trying to show any of that is wrong how about you give us the math and the physics of how any of the things we do today, any of the things we observe today, any of the things your hypothesis is trying to refute....how about you give us the math and the physics etc. of how any of that works on a flat earth WITHOUT using existing globe earth math, physics, findings etc?