Welch's t-test (unequal variances) - SPSS
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- I demonstrate how to perform Welch's t-test in SPSS. Welch's test can be used to test the difference between two group means when the group variances are unequal, and even if the sample sizes are unequal, as well.
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To answer your question, yes there is such a test. It's called the Levene's test. Basically, you transform the original data by subtracting each group's respective mean from each of the data points in it. Then you take the absolute value of each of these deviations from the mean, and perform a one way ANOVA on the results. If the resulting F statistic is significant, you can conclude that the variances of the original populations are statistically different; that is, a significant F ratio indicates violation of homogeneity of variance. This approach allows you to determine homogeneity of variance without performing multiple variance tests, which would inflate your Type I error rate.
If HOV is violated, you can then use Welch's ANOVA (not Welch's t test) to get a more "true" value of F, since the Welch procedure corrects the F ratio for extreme variances. If the Welch ANOVA is significant, you can then use the Games Howell test as a post hoc analysis. As a bonus, not only does the GH test allow for unequal variances, it does not require a normal distribution of the data as long as at least 20 data points are present. If you'd like to know how to do either a Welch ANOVA or GH test, shoot me a private message. Hope this helps!
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In a previous video titled, "Dealing with Unequal Variances and Sample Sizes," you state that while the Welsch's t-test is robust in testing the difference between sample means when these samples exhibit differing levels of variance, this is not the case when the sizes of the samples are unequal. In this video, however, you have contradicted your earlier assertion, stating that the Welsch's test is robust even when the samples differ in terms of variance and size. I apologize if I have misunderstood what you have said in these two videos, but if my understanding is correct, am I to take what you mean in this current video as the correct understanding of the Welsch's test and your assertions in the earlier video as incorrect?
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Excellent video. You're a lifesaver! You mentioned you'll give a reference for the robustness of the Welch test. Could you please provide that?
Thank you so much for this video! How do you interpret the result though? I compared the means of two groups (of unequal sizes and unequal variances assumed). Also, what indicators from the table should I put into the SPSS table?
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Can you use this test even if your data are not normally distributed?
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Mostly, yes. Check out the how2stats video entitled, 'Do the t-test and ANOVA really assume normally distributed data?'
I think you should go for kruskal-wallis or Mann-Whitney when data are not normally distributed. Welch is for when data are normally distributed but VARIANCES are not equal.
What do you do if both welchs and forsyth tests were significant?
Delacre, M., Lakens, D., & Leys, C. (2017). Why psychologists should by default use Welch’s t-test instead of Student’s t-test. International Review of Social Psychology, 30(1).
In ANOVA you'll get the F instead of the t-value.
Plain old t-test "unequal variances assumed" ends up being the Welch's and you can mention article above, which argues that you do one fewer stats test by assuming unequal variances in the first place.
Thanks for the video. But, when using independent sample t test, if levene is non significant, 0.089, why use the p value from the unequal variances?? Why not stayed on the same row and use the equal variances p value? Thank you
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I am running an analysis with nonparametric and non-homogeneous data distributed in five groups (10 cases per group), I already did a nonparametric Levene´s test to check it.
Which do you think would be the best test in this case? Is Welch´s test appropiate even with non parametric data?
Thanks!
So if I was to do a test on people and the control group had 223 people in it and the experimental group had 431 can I use this to test if there is a difference between the two groups? Also the value of 0.5 would mean that there is no realistic change between the two groups wouldn't it?
Yes, those sample size differences are fine for the Welch's t-test. A p value of .50 would imply no statistically significant difference; a p value of .05 or less would imply a statistically significant difference between the means.
I've performed Levene's tests and I get statistically significant differences and when I perform Welch and Brown-Forsythe tests I still get significant differences. What can I do?
Would this work with 2 sets of data, equal sample sizes, but skewed distribution? E.g. blood results where the median is much much lower than the mean in both groups?
How skewed? Are the data skewed in the same way for both groups?
So I'm conducting a factorial mixed 2x2 Anova but my levern's test is significant, so I was told to run a welches test, I then conducted a one way anova to produce the welches test which is non significant, dies this replace the levern's test meaning I can continue with my factorial mixed ANOVA but I report the welches test significance instead of the levern's test significance?
If you want to test/interpret the 2x2 interaction, then conducting the oneway Welch's F-test won't help you. If you check out this video (ruclips.net/video/1NEmDyXNwLA/видео.html), you'll see that I show how to do an interaction contrast analysis that allows you to get the 'variances not equal' result that corresponds to the interaction. That's how I would got about solving your problem. I'll make a specific video about that soon.
How do you enterprate the result??? please someone help meeee., i've searched any where on internet but didn't find anything good..
I have two unequal sample size to compare means, one sample size is 100 and the other is 200, it means I can use this statistical analysis?
Yes, definitely!
My sample sizes are quite different - 69 vs 13. Will this still work for me?
+Lee Davison Yes. I don't know of any restrictions to this test with respect to sample size differences.
Hi hopefully you can help me? I'm stuck on the fundamentals of this , what I mean is if I find the homogeneity of variance is violating an assumption should that mean that the result is invalid if that is the case, why would I do welch's test?
The Welch's test does not assume homogeneity of variance, so you can compare means with this test in that case in a valid way. Sample sizes do not have to be equal either. It's a golden test.
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Is there a similar test for more than 2 group test (i.e., one-way ANOVA)?
What should we do if Welch's test is significant though?
Is it enough to accept our results given that there is inequality of variances?