I love putting these games on in the background while doing other things but occasionally PiG will say something like this (13:04) and make me choke on my beverage
Not meant to be a balance whine, really just trying to understand: Supposedly banelings are supposed to counter Ghosts, but the movement speed of ghosts is 3.94 and the off creep baneling movement speed is 3.5. The banelings never catch the ghosts and just die every game I have watched. Can someone explain how they are supposed to counter? Thanks
Well fungal growth used to completely root and for longer and it used to do way more damage. These days, all you need is to get 3 burrowed infestors hidden behind the entire Terran fortress. If they forget ravens exist and all 7 of their orbital commands are out of energy, you can start to push with your army. If there are any thors, marines, vikings, cyclones, or snipes, they'll kill your observers, and once the ghosts cloak, you're dead. Now it takes about 6 banes to kill each ghost, so even with the most basic splits, on or off creep, make sure you you outnumber the ghosts 10 to 1. Now with perfect micro, you can consecutively chain 3 fungal growths and might steal a trade that's only decently Terran favored. However, as you run, snipes come down on your 5 brood lords, 5 infestors, 5 vipers, 5 lurkers, and 5 ultras, and you pause quit out of the game. Ghosts are so OP it's unreal. The way they counter literally every unit so hard AND are virtually unkillable is just wild to me.
The banelings counter the ghosts by stopping them fron sniping. Their snipe "steady targeting" is interrupted by any damage, and takes like 1.5 seconds to channel. So if they stop to cast snipe, they will get hit by banes and their attack gets interrupted. This stops them from EMPing viper/infestor, sniping brood/ultra/hydra and generally getting many attacks off since they're just running away the whole time. Just having banelings definitely doesn't shut the ghosts down nor is the baneling cost efficient at killing them, but it temporarily stops the ghost doing its job, allowing the rest of the zerg army to be more effective in that window. Also if you surround the ghosts then suddenly banes do great damage on anything thats stuck clumped up
Honestly, I'm worried for their health. I play Diablo 2 at a relatively high level but my APM is not even a tenth of what these guys are doing; I do hope for them that they have adapted training, diet and lifestyle to sustain such a pace...
Serral is like at least 3 tiers ahead of this Reynor chick... I don't think this Zerg truly and fully comprehend the difference between 51 >>> 2, this simple fact...
I would say Reynor should switch to Protoss but lord knows that wouldn’t help with PvZ. Terran is not right, they truly need to fix it. The only reason there isn’t a community consensus is because Serral is so good he makes it look like TvZ is more balanced than it is - and with the current state of TvP, clearly Terran balance is off.
Reynor is doing everything right - he had not enough infestors and vision by overlord and not enough skills like Serral. Just take a look like Serral won the world Championship vs Maru. THe 3rd game i think.. But if Reynor will train this tactic - he will win Maru for sure)
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I love putting these games on in the background while doing other things but occasionally PiG will say something like this (13:04) and make me choke on my beverage
Same here. Take my upvote
That changeling in game 2 deserves a raise.
Clem's Game is Amazing*Expert*Playa!!Playa!!
Great cast as always, PiG
Random question, is it possible to neural a flying building?
You can only neural units, no buildings
When I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for Clem is my shepherd !
30:50 Does any other race have this sort of micro potential in the late game? Sublime move by Reynor
the rare time when a Protoss storm drops from behind whilst dropping disruptors from the front comes to mind! That was a beautiful combo by Reynor tho
Terran efficiency is crazy.
great casting by pig
Great cast!
Spoiler:
Summary of all three games:
Pig: "ooooohh (big) widow mine!!"
lol you're not wrong! Some big BOOMs in this series
There's no relaxing against Clem. His micro is so sick.
hahahahahahahaha - Yes I saw how sick is Clem's micro agains Serral) Its awful-sick!)))
Commentators said that Clem haven't even started to play Starcraft...
@@TilSchweiger-hn8poHe didn't win vs the Goat so he is bad? Thats your point?
@@adminsaify I think it is his point. And say that after the fantastic duel between Serral and Clem at the end of 2023 is really dishonest.
When Clem hits that micro, it's over😅
Reynor is too focus on defending that he forgot to counter attack enemy economy which is dark and serral good at.
The first two games so far are a pain to watch.
Not meant to be a balance whine, really just trying to understand:
Supposedly banelings are supposed to counter Ghosts, but the movement speed of ghosts is 3.94 and the off creep baneling movement speed is 3.5.
The banelings never catch the ghosts and just die every game I have watched.
Can someone explain how they are supposed to counter?
Thanks
With fungle, and lings blocking them
Well fungal growth used to completely root and for longer and it used to do way more damage. These days, all you need is to get 3 burrowed infestors hidden behind the entire Terran fortress. If they forget ravens exist and all 7 of their orbital commands are out of energy, you can start to push with your army. If there are any thors, marines, vikings, cyclones, or snipes, they'll kill your observers, and once the ghosts cloak, you're dead. Now it takes about 6 banes to kill each ghost, so even with the most basic splits, on or off creep, make sure you you outnumber the ghosts 10 to 1. Now with perfect micro, you can consecutively chain 3 fungal growths and might steal a trade that's only decently Terran favored. However, as you run, snipes come down on your 5 brood lords, 5 infestors, 5 vipers, 5 lurkers, and 5 ultras, and you pause quit out of the game. Ghosts are so OP it's unreal. The way they counter literally every unit so hard AND are virtually unkillable is just wild to me.
The banelings counter the ghosts by stopping them fron sniping. Their snipe "steady targeting" is interrupted by any damage, and takes like 1.5 seconds to channel. So if they stop to cast snipe, they will get hit by banes and their attack gets interrupted. This stops them from EMPing viper/infestor, sniping brood/ultra/hydra and generally getting many attacks off since they're just running away the whole time.
Just having banelings definitely doesn't shut the ghosts down nor is the baneling cost efficient at killing them, but it temporarily stops the ghost doing its job, allowing the rest of the zerg army to be more effective in that window. Also if you surround the ghosts then suddenly banes do great damage on anything thats stuck clumped up
I am quite sure that our guy piggy has already uploaded this video earlier.
They've played like 4 of the last 5 EU finals vs each other so it does feel that way sometimes
Honestly, I'm worried for their health. I play Diablo 2 at a relatively high level but my APM is not even a tenth of what these guys are doing;
I do hope for them that they have adapted training, diet and lifestyle to sustain such a pace...
Remember Stephano (zerg)🎉
I saw how beautiful Reynor play protos. I think he should reconsider playing protos again rather playing zerg.
Tbf since you are observing from aussie country the reason for the lag is probly your connection.
Team Reynor
Clem a écraser et Dominé reynord tellement fort on pourrait se croire dans une partie de SM 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yep ! D'ailleurs si vous voulez la revoir avec le french commentary, TKL l'a partagé sur sa chaîne YT.
@@rocobrasaure je n'écoute plus ce gars depuis qu'il m'a ban car c'est un gauchistes et moi un Droitard
@@anthonylaine6111 Ah ok, comme vous voulez. Le cast en duo avec Funka était exceptionnel.
Begging Reynor to just nydus Clem. At least do ling counterattacks! Game 3 was frustrating to watch
Where are all the Terran crybabies now? Only Serral stops Clem.
stop whining
I don't care who wins, these 2 never fail to deliver no matter what
Clem mlem, quidLi Mlem, leek weed klum. Reynor please do better. Thanks for good games PiG and all
Hehe
protoss players seeing the other 2 races dueling and knowing that it will be impossible for him.. 🤡
Not really. MaxPax is a really very good Toss. His last ESL final against Clem (last monday) was so epic !
Do the players feel that lag due to so many casters watching? I'd be pissed if i was a player and lagging because of shit caster internet.
I don't think so. Usually they instantly pause and complain about lag and usually the person whos lagging knows it's them and drops out
That lag is unbearable haha
holy crap terran is boring
Serral is like at least 3 tiers ahead of this Reynor chick...
I don't think this Zerg truly and fully comprehend the difference between 51 >>> 2, this simple fact...
Show some respect to Reynor, you sound like an idiot.
1 hour terran beat zerg. Boring.
Reynor def. Lost a half a step!! Serral hasn’t!
I would say Reynor should switch to Protoss but lord knows that wouldn’t help with PvZ. Terran is not right, they truly need to fix it. The only reason there isn’t a community consensus is because Serral is so good he makes it look like TvZ is more balanced than it is - and with the current state of TvP, clearly Terran balance is off.
Terran is not OP. Clem is.
But how to nerf Clem ? Should we asked him to play only with feet ?
@@rocobrasaure just nerf widows mines, problem solve
Video is super full of stuttering
Apologies for that, I think one of the casters was lagging the game for everyone observing
Zerg is nerfed beyond recognition this days... what a mess of an unbalanced game... hahahaha...
Reynor is doing everything right - he had not enough infestors and vision by overlord and not enough skills like Serral. Just take a look like Serral won the world Championship vs Maru. THe 3rd game i think.. But if Reynor will train this tactic - he will win Maru for sure)
Moreover REYNOR) You should counterattack with Zerlings and baynes from different angles all the game.