Picard S3E10 - "The Last Generation" Review/Breakdown
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That Borg cube was so enormous that I think it was put together from remnants of the giant unicomplex destroyed by Janeway. Enjoyed the Return Of The Jedi homage with the Enterprise as the Millennium Falcon, and with Data's superhuman abilities you can imagine him being able to pull that off
I was a bit disappointed by this. No matter how good the pilot it still depends on the capabilities of the ship. I never got the impression that the enterprise-d was able to maneuver in that fashion. If it could what's the point of having a defiant-class ship which was supposed to be more maneuverable?
The way it exploded made me think it was a load of Borg cubes connected up and then merged enough to create a huge cube.
As time went on it would be near impossible to maintain but calculated to be maintained enough up until the Queen's end game, with a couple of spare drones for her to feed off of in case of a small delay/miscalculation etc.
@@samtaylor9932 I think they just wanted to show off the D as much as possible, and ripping off Return Of The Jedi seemed to be the best way to give her as much exciting screen time as possible!
We have always heard that Starfleet ships were huge threats, especially the Enterprises. That fight showed what those comments meant in action.
It is a ship that should be able to do everything it did during that fight with the right crew at the controls with seasoned experience. Even more interesting, this class is considered the least manoeuvrable of the cruisers, yet it is doing this stuff.
Imagine what the E was capable of, and it was stated to be far above the D in speed and manoeuvrability, and the F tops the E in that aspect, and outfights the E as well, since she is actually the first dreadnought class to carry the name Enterprise.@@samtaylor9932
Why are we assuming the Enterprise-G to be the flagship by default? Other ships have served as flagships over the years and it seems more likely that another ship would be flagship over the G. I personally love the idea of the Enterprise once again being an exploration vessel.
And a new enterprise will probably have its keel laid snd be passed on to Seven later.
true... tbh the should have gone with Voyager. Having Seven a captain of a voyager A (I know it is already canonical...) would be cool setup for a show
Yeah, I'm not sure why the two guys where so sure the Enterprise was the Flagship, there's no requirement for it to be.
Well the default assumption on this channel is that any starship named Enterprise is automatically the flagship. Stuart has explicitly said so before, in fact.
"A flagship is a vessel used by the commanding officer of a group of naval ships" Hence Enterprise is not a flagship if admiral is not present or she being flead ship of flotilla. Like during blockade of Klingon-Romulan border. (TNG The High Ground)
Picard season 3 is a season you want to see over and over again.
Not really. It's still caught up in people's emotions, I think once some time passes and more rational thinking returns it will be seen as more near what it actually is. You all get so caught up in what you're watching being the BEST thing ever you lose all normal perspective on it. It's an improvement over season 1 and 2 and the 1701-D bridge was fantastic but other than that 🤷♂️.
@@TheycallmeMrWonka I never saw Picard season 1 and 2. I was comparing it to TNG
No.
@@olafbaeyens8955 Same boat, didn't see 1 and 2 - for me it fits in really well with TNG / FC and VOY, it felt like a modernization of star trek. The other nutrek stuff I've seen felt like something else altogether.
Beverly took out the turrets, she didn't just randomly fire on a a '50 mile thing'. The rest of the crew were shocked at her skill.
It’s amazing how much these guys miss.
@@corneliuscrewe677 .. Also Geordi explained she'd have to fire manually not just 'hit a button labeled torpedo or phaser'.
@@76TomD Exactly.
I loved the fact that we finally see a ship firing everything it has rather than just five torpedoes.
Beverly was manually targeting specific systems on that strafing run so you’re wrong, it took a certain amount of skill.
EXACTLY
The way they were building things up, I expected the ship to be the USS Picard. I didn't expect the Enterprise-G. I didn't think the F got destroyed.
Same here, They really did set up Picard in the dialogue. May be studios execs got in the way, demand it be name enterprise or possible Kurtzman and they redid the cgi and got the actor that play Jack to add in the voice over.
I thought Picard was totally ruined but Matalas really pulled off something incredible with this swan song for the characters and the show. Really just unbelievable we got to experience this.
It feels almost like a miracle in this day and age.
So everyone just forgets the prophet Matalas was also showrunner for season 2?
@@baptistepg8707: Keep in mind, he had "heel-clicking ice bat skates" creator Akiva Goldsman's assistance, whereas in Season 3 Matalas was on his own. Having watched most of season 3 before watching seasons 1 and 2, I can see Matalas's influence on the writing. I'm in the minority, but I think season 2, for the most part, had less-bad writing than season 1. Not as good as season 3, which also had its faults, but one can tell that Matalas and his writing staff know (or can find) the universe in which they're writing. I don't expect perfection - I'm no Borg - but 3 is a vast improvement over 1 and 2, and not just because of reuniting the TNG crew. I was unhappy when T'Veen died. I found myself caring about Lieutenant Mura, Ensign Esmar, and, of course, the daughters La Forge (not just nepotistically). I would have to say THAT Terry Matalas has been a good influence on Picard. Lipstick on a pig though it may be, credit where credit is due.
@@MKDumas1981 You are not alone in thinking that season 2 was better than 1.
Yes they could have improved S3 as well, but on the whole it was a solid star trek ride
It was cynical, overblown, and embarassing nostalgia bait. The Enterprise G reveal was all of this. What a waste of time this was.
this season Picard 3 is one of the best tv ever,had me sniffing from crying so many times from sheer emotions and the fleet,the ships and how it ended ,i will always watch this season till i die.
I was super hyped for The Mandalorian season 3. Little did I know, Picard Season 3 would be better. WAY better.
I was somewhat disappointed that the Titan-A became the new Enterprise. I was hoping for a new ship design for it.
I was deeply embarassed as it's so lazy and obviously nostalgia bait. It's clearly worse than the F.
No way. The new Enterprise is awesome!
This is what happens when you put people who are die-hard TOS fans in charge of TNG era stories. I felt the name change was not only a disservice to the writers from Star Trek online who put a lot of thought and effort into creating the enterprise-f, her captain, and her crew but, it also felt like it didn't make sense within the narrative. There's no mention the enterprise-f was destroyed or so severely damaged that they would need to designate a new Enterprise.
@Sam Taylor In one of the earlier episodes, I believe when Raffi is on the La Serena, she is looking at a bunch of information on her screen and it states that the Enterprise-F was slated for (early) decommissioning. So it makes sense for a new Enterprise, just lazy on how they did it.
It felt cheap... but that is pretty consistent with Starfleet and the Federation when it comes to ships.
If anyone thinks Elnor was still on Excelsior, just remember that the older crew successfully retook that ship. Now think about what a nightmare an assimilated Elnor would be. Let's be honest, he probably beheaded the bridge crew in under two seconds and hunted down the unassimilated like the friggin Terminator .
You could say the captain in line to be the Enterprise G captain was pushed aside for the sake of Seven but it is probably more likely they were killed by some ensign on whatever ship they were on. Giving Seven a command was possibly as much of a reward for her good service as it was a necessity after having lost a lot of experienced officers.
That's what I was thinking. There's a lot of people over 25 dead!
100%, yeah, I bet Starfleet has lost a lot of its middle and senior officers. There's a lot fewer lieutenants, Lt Commanders, comanders, and captains. I bet the same is true of the non-commissioned officers.
So a lot of the surviving Ensigns and junior Lieutenants all got promoted, all the surviving Comanders got promoted to captain
At least for the core fleet(s)
When the D and Titan come into Earth orbit together you see a lot of debris and wrecked ships. The death toll was huge
I mean, also, like we see with commander pike taking command of the 1701 when Robert April was promoted to commodor, usually (but not all of the time) a ships first officer will receive the captaincy of said ship in the event of a command officers death or promotion. Spock assumed captaincy of the 1701 after the vanishing of captain decker and promotion of kirk. Riker became captain Riker of the 1701-Dduring the initial Borg invasion during best of both worlds. And here, seven becomes captain of the Titan-A after Shaws death and his recommendation that she be promoted to captian... It just so happened that an unknown number of months(s) afterwards they rechristened her ship to enterprise-G
Picard said “I accept this field demotion to captain” when they first entered the bridge of the enterprise-d. So Data was correct in addressing him as “captain”.
Nope, he called him Captain before Picard accepted the demotion.
This iteration of Data basically has no memories (excluding Lore, Lal etc) post Nemesis, so he's never known Picard as an Admiral.
"If you take away the snoring sound effect, Woft just died" 😂😂😂 omg that killed me! 😂😂😂
Data flying the Enterprise through the cube reminded me of the Strategema game he played against The Grand Master in Peak Performance at the end of season II. I kinda felt that set the precedent.
I think Q still dies, like actually dies, in season 2. Just from his perspective that happens after his dealings with Jack. He goes back to spent his final moment with Picard. Explains his line about "not thinking linearly" as well.
I mean, that’s exactly it. He comes right out and says it. “How linear of you”.
Nah, Q had his "Day of the Doctor" moment when his powers was reset by the Q Continuium 😆😆
I agree 💯 Q in S3 came from S2, or perhaps S1 before his "death" in S2. Q's last moment was to be spent with Picard, and his last act was to help him overcome his trauma. I think it's neat how Q says to Picard that now he (Picard) can be worthy for someone else to choose at the end of Farewell. Q very well could have meant Jack choosing in the future. But, Q could have also meant himself. Q said he'd see Picard again at the end of S2, so Picard and Q end up together after S3. Q was always after Picard.
Agreed I think Q is still dead from our prospective but like he said we think to linearly. Who knows from what point in time he traveled back to see Picard on his death bed. It could have been hundreds of years past our now before he actually died, but when you’re a Q time means nothing , the past the present the future are all one to him and he can travel between them at will.
Anyone else disappointed that the Titan Bridge didn't get carpets?
Renamed Titan to Enterprise bothered me a little. In the real world sailors considered it bad luck to rename a ship once it was commissioned under a name
That tradition may no longer be around that far into the future but the rechristening also annoyed me. I am not a big fan of the Titan, oh well..
USS Shaw
I wonder if fans had this issue for the Defiant, or just now because it's trendy to nitpick.
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Live long and prosper, guys.
Thank you Michael thats VERY kind!
Thanks! We dont have any plans to stop and we are barrelling towards out 10th year!!!!!! We must feel like part of the scenery now for the Trek community haha!
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My biggest relief is that Matalas didn't fall into this new age trap where they feel the need to kill legacy characters seemingly all the time just flip off old fans. I was so scared they were gonna kill a bunch of the TNG cast.
Wait till Disney takes over STAR TREK...😊
I didn’t like this whole thing with the Enterprise G being re-christened.
Deserved a whole new class of ship.
That, and I feel the Titan earned it's name and spot.
Discovery, Prodigy and now Picard have really drawn these battles out to ludicrous levels with thousands of hits in a battle. Then they draw them out even further with oddly calm dialogue between battle shots. It’s like we’ve all forgotten that in the dominion war, ships would go down with 2-6 hits apiece sometimes, definitely not hundreds
If the enterprise-F was being decommissioned after frontier day, it makes no sense for the Titan to end up being the enterprise-G, because they would’ve had another enterprise, another flag ship, ready to go, or nearly early in the works. If the enterprise-F wasn’t being decommission, but got destroyed during all of this or terribly severely damaged and she had to be put out of her misery, then turning the Titan into the Enterprise-G as a placeholder, very similar to what happened to the Enterprise-A, makes more sense. It can be the enterprise until the next one is ready.
Maybe the new Enterprise was destroyed in earth orbit in a space dock as the borg attacked, but you’re still wrong, they don’t generally commission a new ship with a name immediately as the previous one was decommissioned. There can be decades between versions of a ship name.
@@Stonehorn, yes, like between the -C and -D. And notice, they didn’t just throw the name on some low-level ship in between. That’s my point.
If the Enterprise-C (or -F) is gone, they don’t haphazardly rush out an Enterprise-D(or -G). They give it time; put the name on some ship in development.
Rushing to rename the Titan when there’s already another in the works doesn’t seem right.
Of course, that’s exactly what they did with the Enterprise-A, so who knows.
I was right! That one closeup shot was a different model and the actual full ship had recessed windows and better -phaser strips! I loved the episode, though the G felt like it dishonored the Titan itself and the Enterprise should be a grand new ship, not just a little refit guy like that. But that and the quick fix for the Borgification, which sounded more like a structural development in the brain rather than something else you can just edit out, but those two things stand out because the rest was so good, and I'm very happy about Captain Seven and that crew. In a way, the Borg Queen clinging on to life though felt reminiscent of what we got in those Destiny books which I really liked. For Crusher's targeting though, they were moving pretty quick, and I liked Troi reprising her trick from Nemesis. All the Worf/Riker stuff was just great too. It wasn't where we left the characters but it sounds like exactly what the Dorn/Frakes interactions were like on set.
I felt like the Titan got promoted just like Seven. Enterprise G is the Flagship right? And the Flagship is always the Enterprise, so refit+promotion to Flagship means she needs to be named the Enterprise. Also, as others have said G=7 and the 9th ship to be named Enterprise is quite fitting for Seven of Nine to be the captain!
I honestly think they should have brought the -D back into service with update refits to get it working.
@@defies4626 I was hoping the same but I'm content that we got to see the D once again. Such an incredible ship. Looking closely at the assembled fleet, I noticed what appeared like modified Galaxy-class vessels. The saucer top was different; had a Sovereignesque treatment. I swear they looked like Ross-class but didn't think that class was canon...?
@@technerd9655 Is the flagship always the Enterprise though? The D was explicitly, but I don't seem to remember it being called out on screen other times.
@@jamesaron1967 They have been using 3d models from Star trek online. So it wouldn't surprise me if they were in the fleet.
Considering the age ranges they lost during the bio-assimilation, 7 of 9 is possibly the most senior non-Admiral in the fleet who survived in terms of both age and experience.
Just because we’re use to the Enterprise as flagship, doesn’t mean that the ENT-G is the flagship.
"Enterprise" is the name usually given to the flagship, but I don't think it _defines_ the flagship. I just assume that the Enterprise-G isn't the flagship, but instead in this case the name is being used like an honourary title. Another ship, perhaps one of the other Odyssey class ships, has presumably been made the "flagship" after the Enterprise-F's early retirement.
My hope for one of the first episodes of Star Trek: Legacy (or whatever they call it, if we get it) would be for Admiral Janeway to come on board to give Seven a special mission....use the new Torres-Barclay Drive (Quantum Slipstream or Transwarp, or something) to go to the Delta Quadrant and checkin on the Federation Ambassador to the Delta Quadrant, Neelix to tell him the Talaxian asteroid colony would be granted membership in the Federation and with the new Torres-Barclay Drive the Federation would now have a regular presence throughout the Galaxy including the Delta Quadrant. And while I'd like the show to revisit some storylines from Voyager, it'd be nice to see it go to the Gamma Quadrant also
You know with Neelix, I would love it to be reveal that he has actually built a Federation entity in the Delta Quadrant, that through his negotiating skills, he have united a dozen races into a Federation like alliance. An the Talaxians not only have their asteroid base but also there new homeworld.
I went back to Picard Season 3 episode 1. Now that I know the end it is so obvious what is coming in the previous episodes. Every scene from episode 1 is brilliantly set up.
should have uses the old F type ship as new G. Like 1701 to 1701A .
So, here's a question. Is the Enterprise G going to be the flagship? Yes, several ships named Enterprise have been Starfleet's flagship over the years. But it's not like there's a hard, fast rule it has to be the flagship. And there's been times where there wasn't an Enterprise around where the flag would fall to another ship. What was the flagship between the C's destruction and the D's construction?
Not to mention no one has said on screen that the G is now the flagship (unless I totally missed the line), and it doesn't seem like it's outside the realm of possibility that they renamed the Titan in its honor, but are leaving the flag for another bigger, more advanced ship. And being an exploratory vessel is what the Enterprise line has always been the most known for. So why not have it be a light exploratory cruiser?
And as far as Seven getting command, why not? She knows the crew. She knows the ship. If it's the flagship, then yes, that seems weird. But again, _is_ the G the new flagship just because it inherited the Enterprise name?
True. Also, we know from disco seasons 3 and 4 that the Voyager lineage would also end up taking the flag ship positions with the Voyager-J - so even with the enterprise F being sent out to pasture before it's borgification, they were probably (and have) passed the "flag" onto the Voyager-B
I thought they were going to rename the Titan to the Picard
That naval honour is usually saved for the dead
It may be against real world naval practice, but USS Picard would have been better in my opinion.
Although ships named Enterprise have been the flagship, there has also been other ships that were not the Enterprise as flagship (for example there was a 19 year period between the Ent-C being destroyed and the Ent-D being launched) - so whether the Ent-G is the flagship (unless I missed a Terry comment) is up for discussion.
I mean, untill Discover and strange new world retconned it (as far as I was aware) James T. Kirk never commanded the flag ship of the federation as the USS Excalibur took that role, and then with the refit 1701 being used as training ship the Excelsior nominally taking on the role. I think, prior to that, only the enterprises C, D and E were ever classed as the flag ships (and the good old NX-01 by necessity).
Seconds before the 1701-G reveal, I was thinking they would have gone with a new Stargazer as a non-flagship to give Jack as something early to serve on. Putting Jack on an enterprise seems cheap, also renaming a ship is well known to be bad luck.
All I wanted was a Shaw spinoff where weekly, he reluctantly saves the day, all while being kind of a dick about it. That would have been gold.
We don't know how long the Syracuse was in service for so the transporters might have been upgraded a long time ago.
The closest transporter would have been on deck 6 of the saucer section and you would imagine it would be unchanged.
Actual weepy parts in a Picard show, awesome. The old bridge. The escape. The bar.
Despite all of the hate concerning the re-christening of the Titan into the Enterprise G, I really loved it! The Constitution Class Enterprise has always been my favorite Enterprise, although the Galaxy Class Enterprise is a close second. You have to remember, that the former Titan is not a 150-ish year old ship, the Neo Constitution Class was made to resemble the old-style Constitution Class, she's plenty up to date, she just has a retro look, kind of like the new take on a much older Camaro. As others have mentioned, no one said that the G was the Flagship, I don't recall if anyone even said that the F was the flagship either. I'm perfectly content with the Enterprise going back to being a ship of exploration. Remember when Picard was in the Enterprise E's turbolift in Insurrection: "Do you remember when we used to be explorers?" Just my two cents!
The Titan-A/Enterprise g, does not fit with that era starship design. Any one of the ships introduced in lower decks would have been a better design. The new ships introduced in lower decks also show a clear design influence for ships of that era. A modern-day Camaro made to look like an old one is done for nostalgic reasons not for practical ones.
Has anyone picked up the Eaglemoss rights to the ship collections? It'd be nice to get new ships. Maybe even a new Enterprise D with the star drive labeled as the other ship and the saucer paint screwed up.
And Seven was the lone Cpt to fight against the whole fleet
It looks like the Borg Cube was hiding in Jupiter's Red Spot and the vortices were noticeably visible around it, so it's freaking huge because the Red Spot is a big phenomena.
Just because the ship is named Enterprise, doesn’t mean it’s the flagship. The D was the flagship but I don’t think it was ever said the E was the flagship. And Kirk’s two Enterprises were never said to be the Flagship.
I don’t think the E-G is the flagship.
The G is definitely not the flagship. The Federation would not designate a vessel with a freshly promoted officer to the captain's chair as the flagship of the fleet. No question It's another ship.
@@jamesaron1967 Also: there's absolutely nothing to say that the flagship has to be the Enterprise. It's just that, so far, a few of them have been so (the original, the D, E and F). The Shangri-La Titan became the flagship. Defiant has been the flagship. Enterprise-E was not the flagship until the destruction of Vice Admiral Hayes' ship.
@@giftheck Exactly. There's no Federation regulation or starfleet tradition that a flagship of the fleet must be named 'Enterprise'. It's automatically assumed by many viewers because there have been so many ships with that name that were hero ships in the past.
I didn't have a problem having helm being rerouted to ops as Data is skilled enough to run both (there's a good argument in bridge design for having one large center console vs two small ones). Data has flown shuttles and the runabout and probably had basic training on piloting at the Academy. When Picard took the helm in Booby Trap, while to increase dramatic tension, it was noted that intuition (or your gut) was a necessary element to piloting. I have no problem with him flying the ship through all of it this time because Data now had everything he needed to do it.
The scene with Deanna reads that she took over the helm but I guess you are right, she started running ops.
Who's to say the "next" Captain of the Enterprise wasn't killed during fleet attack?
Maybe seven is captain of the enterprise because almost all other senior officers were killed by the assimilated junior ranks, so seven is one of the most experienced and competent officers left
As far as Seven being Captain...I don't mind it because Jeri Ryan is an excellent actress. She's proved that so many times since Voyager ended in many other productions. I think Seven was chosen as Captain more because they have a professional, accomplished, actress available to play the role of Captain who can play the gravitas and command that a Captain of the Enterprise needs more than any lore reason to put the character in the role.
I love that Q came back and I didn't like that they renamed the Titan-A to the Enterprise-G.
I too was just a little bit disappointed that they rechristened Titan as Enterprise-G. Is the neo-constitution class meant to be a top of the line model in starship design? I didn't think so. Is some other ship the flagship now? Voyager?
It has to be another ship. I'd expect a flagship to be a top-of-the-line ship, not a mid-range vessel with parts taken from older ships. Not to mention a captain recently promoted. None of it makes sense, which leads to the only conclusion that the flagship is something else that wasn't mentioned.
Wouldn't it still be the Enterprise F?
@@bethanygee6939 The F was scheduled for decommission.
The Enterprise G should have been the Galaxy Class Dreadnought! Big Fuck up!
The D, fully refitted like that, would've been great.
I’m surprised you guys didn’t mention the two first ever 4K HD whatever shots we got of Galaxy class nacelles! That was a visual highlight of the episode for me. ❤
The Galaxy's first every true 4K was actually released a few weeks ago for the Generations 4K Blueray. Picard S3 was mastered at 2K...not 4K sadly.
Q.
Is there some conformation that the Enterprise G is the flagship?
Just because she has that name does not automatically make her the flagship.
"These are the voyages of the Starship Enterprise." not the Flagship Enterprise.
Just saying.
I agree with you captain Folley, about how I feel about Rafi's ending...it reminded me the end of the characters of Game of Thrones in the table with Bram.
🙄... I would had enjoyed more if they suggested a possible beginning of a romantic relationship between Rafi and worf, since he was always more then a mentor for the ladies training under his command and he always lost all of them with a great sorrow... it could be a forced ending but in my opinion not as much as putting her as the first officer and all the other forced things they shoved under the throats of " cannon trekkies "..:)
And yes, I was also disappointed to change the name of the Titan... is like they completely disregarded the fact that was the only ship to resist the assimilation and was worth continuing honoring her legacy with a Titan B. They should have praise her after that..not changing her name:(
I thought I saw ships being hit by return fire from space dock.
Seven being captain makes sense. The borg killed most of the senior officers. Probably also on space dock. There are many openings now I imagine 😄
I did too, I sw beams (the more orangy ones) coming from ESD and blowing ships up, I even re-wound several times to make sure I was seeing it, and I was.
I wish we saw more of what was going in the space dock and on earth.
The crew of the Excelsior retook the bridge too. Then they got destroyed. Also, Beverly taught Jean-Luc how to ghost Laris. She knows all about ghosting.
So Seven of Nine is the seventh captain of the alpha numerical USS Enterprise and the 9th captain of the Enterprise since receiving NCC- 1701 registry number. If; you take into consideration what Decker said at the beginning of Star Trek the motion picture that the refit NCC-1701 is a completely new starship, but disregard Decker as an actual captain of the Enterprise since he's never actually in command of the Enterprise when it was in active service same with Captain Spock. Nice play nice play!
Very good observation 👌🏼.
And maybe they should call her captain 9 ...or captain Unimatrix 0-1 😅
It was good seeing the Enterprise-D get to go in guns blazing. The only fail was renaming the Titan to Enterprise-G...it really needed to be a new class of ship; budget/time had to have been the reason they went that route.
They should have stuck with the E-F.
@@michaeldemarco9950
Yes, or that. If sticking with the E-F, it would have been nice if it were the Yorktown/Lexington variant.
@@SolarWraith , after the Borg incident; it might have needed a refitting.
@@michaeldemarco9950
There were no refit plans for the Enterprise-F as it was being decommissioned. Unless you are referring to the former Titan, current Enterprise-G.
@@SolarWraith , I was actually commenting that, on-screen, did they ever mention that the E-F was being decommissioned? It looked like she was performing Frontier Day Parade duties, like any impressive Flagship would do.
Data had the best jokes. "Hey you just used a CONTRACTION" "NO I DIDN'T!"
And I wish we'd got to hear the end of his limerick! "There once was a woman from Venus".
And did the 1 year later thing suggest that they get together for annual reunions now?
Can we all just take a moment and realize that star trek has gotten what star wars can never have now, but we have gotten it twice. We got our OG cast members back together 10-20 years later for a send-off episode final lap. We got in in Star trek 6 and now we get it one more time in Picard. Star wars can never have that now that Fisher is dead.
Hey Beverly was a full commander with training and all rated to command the whole ship
unpopular opinion: I didn't like the Titan becoming the G. Fine ship, but this episode really hit home with the D rocking the place. The Titan A is good looking but, it's just not an enterprise for me
I like the Data and Geordie interaction with Data mentioning his gut feeling. A good call back to Data's Day. Worf was on. "Swords are fun" and his concern of not dying.
The Enterprise D looked great. The flyby approaching Jupiter was a great call back to the establishing shots in the series, and the detail in the windows was nice to see.
Seven as Captain was okay because she was already first officer, so if anything she was made first officer too quickly. Kirk and Picard made Captain quickly due to taking command in dire situations, so Seven's promotion seems similar. The Titan changed to Enterprise G was dumb, I'd rather see the Odyssey class as that class or variant is state of the art. Was the F destroyed or are the F and the G serving at the same time?
I don't mind that Laris isn't there. This season was essentially a reboot of the first two seasons, ignoring what they could, addressing what they had to, so we get Laris at the start and then off she goes.
The Enterprise-F was being early decommissioned after Frontier Day, as per a memo displayed to Raffi on the La Sirena's viewscreen early in the season, amongst other research she had done on the Daystrom Station theft.
Though you'd think the F would have gotten a new lease on life due to the reduction in the fleet from the Titan attacking them to draw fire away from Spacedock...
Just unfortunate that it became ANOTHER reminder of Return of the Jedi. So we have Data saying 'Never Tell Me The Odds!". The Enterprise doing a 'Death Star Run', and the secondary characters are trying to PROTECT a 'shield generator', compared to trying to DESTROY a shield generator in ROTJ! lol
Re. Enterprise-D - I'm so glad they preserved it, and given it was shut down a year after, it means she got to have an extra year of service, presumably under her old crew before they retired her.
Re. Titan/Enterprise-G - I was one of the people who called that this would wind up the new Enterprise (I remember actually thinking "they're going pull a Yorktown on it"), though I did actually hope for a new ship - given the tips of the hat Matalas has made to Star Trek IV, I thought they'd do the same thing where we see the Titan first and then pan over it to the Enterprise. Having said that: I don't think the Enterprise-G *is* the flagship. It kind of feels a bit like the Enterprise-A - a gap-fill until they can get the intended next class that bears the Enterprise name out there. I also hope they launch Titan-B, since it needs *something* to carry on the name.
Re. the Borg Queen - I thought the dubbing was done really well, but it definitely feels weird hearing Alice Krige's voice coming from somebody else, and I think that's the disconnect there. I'd like to know why they hired a body double and not Alice Krige for the physical part. Did she only agree to voice the character and not do the makeup? Was it a scheduling thing, whereby she could only provide voiceover? As for the character, I took her to be the one from the end of Voyager, now without the ability to hop into a new body. I've heard comparisons to Palpatine in Rise of Skywalker, and those comparisons say that the Borg Queen pulled it off waaay better, partly because they actually explained things. Honestly: yeah, I can see it.
Krige is in her 70’s, and probably wasn’t interested in getting in full prosthetics.
Did they say it was the flag ship? Just because it's named Enterprise doesn't mean it has to be the flag ship. Does it?
It seems to me they should've renamed it the 'USS Jean-Luc Picard'
Just to note - the Enterprise has historically not always been the Flagship. Pretty sure the Excelsior was the flagship at one point, even while the Enterprise A was still in service.
Well this ending is very reminiscent of the ending of( the voyage home ) when kirk and crew was gifted the Enterprise-A, a (renamed) constitution 2 class ship. The now Constitution 3 class Enterprise G is okay however they could have had a newer ship, Like the Excalibor class.
It could easily be explained that the newer 25th century ships successfully inter-grated trans warp and that may be why the warp effect is different for the titan
I think the point of the G is that it's a homage name for the (only) ship that wasn't taken by the borgs. Even not being the most powerful, it earned the name Enterprise by its story. Didn't like it at first, but it's going on me the idea that the Enterprise doesn't necessarily need to be the most powerful flag ship of starfleet.
Don’t forget that Spacedock was heavily armed and returning fire. It must have damaged or destroyed several ships. That’s where the debris came from.
They final made the borg actual zombies
Another element WRT Seven as Captain - if during the Fleet Day assimilation only young people became assimilated, it might have been that the assimilated executed the command crew of most of the ships that were around earth at the time. Starfleet might have lost most of its serving bridge officers in one fell swoop.
Unfortunately, now they need to come up with an excuse or an explanation for how all of the legacy characters we care about who were NOT featured in Picard somehow avoided getting killed by the assimilated young people.
There is a cool behind the scenes ready room type visit to the Enterprise D rebuilt bridge with Mike Okuda and Wil Wheaton. Only some elements of Star Trek Experience bridge two was used but mostly it was completely rebuilt. Odd they didn't mention Probert vaguely.
To me, the finale was like going to a high school reunion. There were so many pacing problems with characters stopping and having personal conversations in the middle of supposedly tense moments and situations. That being said, they are not young folks anymore and I can’t expect them to act the same.
Yet again, we have space battles of so many ships at such a huge scale that it’s like kicking over an anthill if each ant had phasers…just not very impactful.
Also it was a huge disappointment to not have Laris in the episode, not even mentioned. She was there in the first episode and to completely cut her out, especially in the last episode was a let down for me. But all in all, the episode, and this season was amazing!
Yeah, did Picard ever meet up with her? We never got an answer to that.
Thing I love about Q he may cause mischief but it's for our benefit to teach us something or bring out the best in us.
Fantastic episode really only major complaint is the Enterprise G. I’m going to be slightly dramatic and say it’s a complete disservice to the lineage of the Enterprise AND the Titan. I get they’re trying to call back to the end of The Voyage Home but it totally fails imho, Enterprise A is just replacing with the same ship, Excelsior wasn’t ready. Even if G is just meant to be a stopgap ship until the next gen heavy cruiser platform came online you rename another Odyssey class ship. This is more like instead of giving Kirk another Connie you brought out an NX refit that with some contemporary tech in it and said hey here’s your new flagship, or here’s your Oberth class Enterprise. Or in todays navy when they retired the Enterprise carrier, renaming a little destroyer instead of waiting for the new Ford class ship, it’s a total step out of the lineage. And Seven as the captain isn’t as bad as JJ giving it to a bunch of cadets but it’s still should be a prestigious enough posting to preclude it being your first command imho.
One thing I won't forgive about this season. They completely gorgot Laris. It would be nice seeing Picard introducing Jack to her as her ... finally....future wife ! 😊
She started the season, again, tolerating and respecting Picards holding his romantic feelings for her and suddenly abandoning her in every season for his personal problems and missions... She totally deserved a last happy scene with Picard.
I guess even the fans and her fans forgot about her 😞
I wish that Geordi would have had a "pimp my ride" moment at the end and thought about adding a 3rd nacelle to the Enterprise
I was really hoping to see a new design for the G. Would of been cool. Tad disappointed they renamed the Titan.
So, why would the Enterprise-G be the flagship? Previous Enterprises both were and weren't.
Star fleet youngsters opening up spots for their own fast promotions 😂
This was fantastic. Loved every second of it.
What I don't understand is why you are saying Seven is now Captain of the Flagship of the Federation. The G is certainly not the flagship, that would be still the F. Or do I miss something?
Yeah, the flagship was not mentioned in this episode unless I missed it too.
If you can fit 3 earths into Jupiter's red spot, the Borg cube must have been the size of Brazil.
The Red Spot actually oscillates in size over the centuries, from very large to small and even disappears for periods of time. Who knows how big it would be in the 25th Century.
It’s got to end with Q because it all began with Q. This season can be watched as the end of the Borg saga from the beginning when Q brought the enterprise into Borg space sooner than they should have.
Probably not what many people are talking about but I liked the decayed/zombified borg that filled the cube, it really showed the dire state of the borg. I also really liked they didn't put the enterprise D into a serious combat situation which would not have worked.
It's safe to assume most of starfleet's captains were killed by their own crews, so it makes sense they would need to promote people quickly after that.
Also (in ep. 9?), the USS Excelsior retook their bridge and it was instantly destroyed by the other ships.
I have a problem with Enterprise G. We're only a couple of letters away from J and that's supposed to be a lot further into the future.
I do believe that that should of had Wes rejoin the crew as helmsman (either have Wes be from the faction he’s in season 2 or have it a version of Wes from before he joined the faction) and have jordie use the engineering terminal to manage weapons and shield power. Still have data fly through the cube and Wes take over the sensors.
I’m gonna be honest, I don’t get emotional very often with movies and shows but the scene of Picard, Riker, and La Forge saying goodbye and shutting off the bridge of the Enterprise D and leaving it in the museum next to all the previous ships just hits me harder than anything else I think I’ve experienced in the last decade
Much better than where she was left 29 years ago. She's still out there safe and sound and can still kick ass.
So many things... Ships, performances, references made more than a few drop of moisture form. I loved it so much and will re-watch this season many times
Is the Enterprise-G the Flagship?
I think fans make too much out of the idea that the Enterprise must be the Flagship.
Honestly I never thought the Enterprise was the Flagship during the Pike years or Kirk TOS years.
Now after the refit in 2271 I assume for few years she was the Flagship ship but was definitely not by 2285 as she was now a Cadet Training Vessel.
I always assumed the Excelsior was the Flagship vs the Enterprise-A.
The Titan-A/Enterprise-G grew on me and I love the Neo-Constitution design so I'm good with it. It doesn't need to be the biggest or best or the Flagship.
Give me Legacy with Captain Seven, Jack, Sydney, & the Enterprise-G.
What happened to the Borg in Season 2? Where there 2 Borg Queens in season 3?
Yes, there had to be at least two if you count Jurati as a queen. Back in the Delta quadrant there may be another, who knows...
I actually cheered that Deanna and Beverly had their own moments of awesome. And I was yelling at Picard, Riker, and Worf to stop saying good bye because I was afraid they might die. And oooh boy that body-horror look of the Borg Queen was awesome. And my heart felt tingly when we heard Walter Koenig as Pavel's son, Anton Chekov (a clear tribute to Anton Yelchin).
I love this finalé. Though I dislike the Titan being turned into the Enterprise. It felt kind of like a downgrade to go from the Ent-F to Titan/Ent-G. And Jack being fast tracked through Starfleet feels.....strange. And is it okay with Starfleet that Seven has a relationship with her First Officer? If they do move forward with a show, perhaps they could finally turn the lights on in the set. And please bring back Elnor!!!!
She doesn’t have a relationship with her first officer. She HAD a relationship with her first officer when she wasn’t officially a part of Starfleet (because S31 aren’t officially members of Starfleet). Had being the operative word.
I think they missed something with Jack, he not even a Ensign, I wish Seven would have handed him his assignment and it was like cleaning the toilets. Because that the job a new ensign out of the academy would be assigned. An he does it because he there to repair the damage he did to the Federation and it was partially his fault.
This might be a dumb question. But does it explicitly say anywhere that Enterprise-G is the flagship?
No but, every single Enterprise has been the flagship from 1701 Refit into E (and we assume F)
I thought it was hilarious they trying to redeem Deanna in this episode as a pilot... after so many critics from the fans after Generations and Nemesis..lol
But I also love the fact that she, as one of my favorite neglected character of the TNG show since the beginning, had more importance , good lines and presence then all the episodes of all the 7 seasons put togheter...;)))
when it shows the d back at the dock is that the ship for the jj movies the one in the mountain on the bottom of the station
Best season of Picard, it felt more like a 1st season. The Titian should not have been renamed Enterprise. Titian is a legendary ship that has earned its name. I felt like it was a missed opportunity to have the Defiant and Voyager help with the siege of the Cube, they know Enterprise D can't move like that. Lars was completely disrespected, why even have her as a part of the season? Also has Harry Kim made any rank? Seven is a Captain and Raphie is first officer. The rank structure in Starfleet doesn't matter. Anybody can just be promoted to anything. Poor Harry Kim smh. A Kira DS9 show should be in the works with the Changelings back.
a) Titan is too ugly to be a new Enterprise.
b) Renaming Titan erases the heroic and brilliant acomplishments of the Titan and sacrifice of its crew made during the show. "Titan what Titan, you mean new Enterprise?"
It was a bad move.
This is the season that works..forget 1&2. What I want to know is what did Worf do to the previous Enterprise? I found the lighting a bit too dark. "Why can I feel Joy"? (Big grin on Data's face) I don't like the new Enterprise-G, but I do like Seven as its captain.
the return of q took me by surprise I love this very emotional season
There was the question, I think it was this video, of the Riker-Troi kiss was the first kiss on an Enterprise Bridge.
Chekov got to do it in Way to Eden.
From now on Star Trek fans will only want the USS Enterprise NCC-1701-H