What if Poland was invaded instead of Ukraine?
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This video tries to answer a hypothetical question. If it was Poland, instead of Ukraine, invaded on February 24th, how would it fare? Assuming NATO is involved only as much as it got involved in Ukraine, how would that war go?
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what if estonia was invaded instead of ukraine would a very nice vid to see
Hello
Will this be as uninsightful as your past asessment asking how well the Russian army is trained? I bet you regret that now. I am wondering, if you got that so badly wrong what your actual field of speciality is?
*You should be very careful with using Wikipedia, especially for Poland's military - there's a user called FOX 52 who's actively trolling the Polish Air Force page as one example. AEGIS ashore is almost completed in Radzikowo, Poland however FOX 52 removes that info, and puts up completely inaccurate info about air defense.*
By making a fantasy video about the war in Ukraine, which is ongoing, you are affectively profiting off of the death of innocent civilians.
The only reason this video is relevant, the only reason you made it now is because of an ongoing war in Ukraine where Ukrainians are being slaughtered. That’s the only reason people are going to click on it like they are, that’s why I’m accusing you of being a war profiteer. Take this video down, and re-post it after the war
Take this video down, and repost it after the Russians are done slaughtering Ukrainians. After we have actually defeated them. Once the war is actually over. Stop acting like this is a f***ing video game, real people are dying right now
I work with alot of Polish people in my company. And all them said if Poland was invaded they would all go back to Poland and destroy Russia. One guy literally said: "The entire population of Poland would rather die, than be under Russian control again".
I’m a Lithuanian-Polish American. If this happened, I’d head to Poland.
But, they are fine under US occupation. How will we ever get rid of the Yankee terrorists?
Shit. My blood is polish-ukrainian. Im heading out rn
Fighting russia is a part of our history, existence. From generation to generation. Like good against evil. We gonna fight, like our grandfathers and greatgrandfathers did. Before they take me i take two of them with me
It's funny because Polacks were controlled by Polack communists -- not Russian ones. There are commies in every country. Their favorite way to deflect blame for economic mismanagement is to blame outside forces.
I like how the military analysts changed from "Could Europe stand up to Russia" to "Would Russia stand a chance of defeating a particular country"
It's pretty funny, really. Time and time again since WWII the Russians have shown themselves to be all bluster and no substance. While simultaneously demanding respect for their expansionist "bring back the USSR" bullshit.
Many of us were fooled.
Next: how russia would fare against pinguins regime.
PS. Australians would dislike that idea :D
@@shogun3730 Penguin king: "This is but a _taste_ of our fury! Do you yield?"
Russia: "AAAaargh!! Time to strategically reposition to the rear, boys! Just you wait till our mobilization reinforcements arrive, you flightless bastards!" (Shakes fist in impotent rage)
Not a single European country can withstand Russia without supplies from entire European Union.
Fun fact - Poland was the first country to defeat and crush Red Army in 1920. Stalin never recovered after that, returned only when his ally Hitler attacked from the West
Russian army were always relying on their barbarian tactic of zerg rush. With no one to back them up, they are bound to fuck up. It's not like they didn't prove it recently.
Lenin was the leader at that time
They didn't defeat nothing the red army almost took warsaw and that was while they were having a civil war i mean that actually was kinda poor from Poland almost losing to a state that is fighting itself
You apparently read these amazing tales in the same place where it is written that the Ukrainians are the most ancient nation who are the ancestors of the Sumerians and Egyptians, and the Ukrainians dug out the Black Sea and gave the Sumerians writing, gave the world a wheel and built the Pyramids.
@@lordphebstream9319 No more absurd than the stories of Ukraine, Belarus, Baltics being an "ancient part of Russia", while the word Russia came into being only in 1548...
Binkov in 2017: Russia is capable of conquering most of Europe.
Binkov in 2022: Can Russia actually take some parts of Poland *if* it fights alone?
It well reflects on how Putin destroyed the image of his own military.
Could you link me to where Binkov said in 2017 that Russia could conquer most of Europe? I'm interested to see that.
CAPABLE - check the meaning
And yes, even today Russia is CAPABLE of doing that
Almost every military analyst in the world have had their estimates of Russian power adjusted by orders of magnitude this year.
@@ennui9745
-Europe- NATO couldn't even conquer Kosovo or Kabul.
Born in Poland but living in the US for 21 years now. The second Poland is attacked, you bet me, my brother, all my cousins, and all my Polish friends would be on the first flight in.
Much respect for the Polish.
Toruń pozdrawia!!
@@kpt.skalski6480 Witam z Huntsville Alabama!
Ja tez.
I hope one day you could choose to move back to Poland and have a great life here.
We need a better govt, though.
My friend Russian facist federation can not use Kaliningrad because it is Czech Republic territory and it is called Kralovec.
Uuuuuhm 🇩🇪🙄
LONG LIVE CZECHIA
🍺
Cringe
@@RexidusUR maybe you’re cringe
I worked with the Polish Army in Bosnia-Herzigovina and I observed the Russians there as well. The Polish Airborne are tough as woodpecker lips. Poland is tougher than people think, and they are very professional.
But they are gay as many europeans that what make them weak they rather have sex than train.
@@user-is5rn5bw5j grow a brain
You forgot that Germany will be attacking Poland at the other side.
and then after a day they withdraw with "sorry guys, force of habit"
Didn’t even watch the video but i’d like to point out that the Polish army has had an actual enlisted bear, whereas the Russian army has only symbolically had bears.
We actually had 2 bears. One polar bear called Baśka and Wojtek the brown bear both in WW1 in WW2 respectively. So technically. Its a Polish tradition to recruit a bear during a World War.
Ah, but Russian bears use unicycles.
@@SwiftTrooper5 😂😆😂
@gerald kelly I love ❤️ the wojtek stories. Capturing a spy. Carrying shells from trucks to the Artillery. A paybook and serial number. What a bear 🐻
@@SwiftTrooper5 and ours carry artillery shells, have wrestling skills of John Cena and interrogation skills of someone really good at interrogating.
You went from making videos about Russia Vs the rest of Europe to Russia Vs Poland within a couple of years. What a difference Ukraine has made
Yeah I remember the Russia VS Europe Video. Seems so laughable these days.
Russia vs Europe was army vs army and no US help involved .
In Ukraine there was a general mobilization vs 1/5 of the Russian army. Plus Ukrainians received enormous help from the West.
Whitout the western weapons, training, advisors/commanders and intelligence data, Ukraine would have been conquered by now and would have fought just some gorilla battles against the Russians.
@@user-ju2tn4pj5y totalnie agree, russia would have a chance if Ukraine wasn't so well armed and lead into battle, if Ukrainians wouldn't fight, and wouldn't be much better trained, if russia wasn't one drunk joke with fake equipment, low morale, no economy, if russia wouldn't overestimate its power and underestimate Ukraine, if russia wouldn't make hundreds of dumb mistakes that every child can see - that war would be different!
Yeah Ukraine shows that Russia is not that strong as it's stereotypes.
@@user-ju2tn4pj5y point is Russia is so weak it has issues dealing with western backed poorest nation in Europe. Is west helping? Yes but it’s moderate weapons. US is sending its smallest and least capable rockets for Ukraine the rest are generic artillery and some older armor. Russia is still using huge parts of its best weapons including t90, Iskander, cruise missile strikes from ships and planes and STILL getting pushed back. So imagine if Russia had to actually fight real NATO military with long range rockets, cruise missiles and a legit airforce and navy and a properly trained infantry with high tech equipment.
Polskie wojsko już dwa razy było w moskwie. Możemy się tam też trzeci raz przejechać do władimira.😎
Ty to możesz się przejechać dupą po asfalcie najwyżej.
@@skyrider6772 You can use your brain like you never did!
@@skyrider6772 L bozo 1920
@@skyrider6772 LOL! Your comment only shows how simple minded you are. Goebbels propaganda going strong in 2022.
Poland would teach the Russians a lesson,just like the Ukrainians have.
hahaha i needed that laugh!!!
Russia is more powerful then Poland and Ukraine combined.
Polish morale? I can tell you that the Poles would fight the Russians to the death even if they only had sharpened spoons as weapons. The UK and US would come to their aid with everything they could give. For the UK the Poles are very highly regarded from WWII days and the US has a large immigrant minority. The Germans have guilt as a motive and the French have deep historical links to the country.
Seeing what Ukraine has been given, I can't even imagine what Poland would be given. If NATO didn't get involved they would prob still have the entire NATO arsenal at their disposal along with hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people signing up to join the polish armed forces
What’s more important with Germany: Poland is actually a formal ally meaning that weapons shipments aren’t inhibited by internal procedures like they are with Ukraine which does not have any form of alliance with Germany. Poland also has the infrastructure and Networks to operate NATO equipment(to their fullest extend of effectiveness), which Ukraine still lacks.
In ww2 my girlfriends grandfather, among other locals really waited with knifes in the Białystok woods for the red wave and they did it so good, that the reds started to avoid the area while crushing into Poland
@@kpt.skalski6480 That's incredible.
@@tuxtitan780 Cat fwend!
The map is wrong . Kaliningrad is now part of Czech Republic and is called Kralovec. There was a referendum and 97 % voted for leaving Russia. I am proud of my 17 votes in referendum.
30 here :)
NCD sends it's regards.
🥱 The difference is people actually wanted to join Russia whether you think the vote is legitimate or not. Even western public opinion polls in Crimea, and Donbas have showed that they did not want to be part of Ukraine. After the crimes Ukraine has committed since the war began in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia it’s not like there was no one who wanted to join Russia.
In Kaliningrad no one wants to be part of Czechia. Whether or not some minority would want to leave Russia fucking no one wants to join Czechia.
@@TheGrindcorps Then how can u explain the enormous amount of partisan activities in Zaporiznha and Kherson? A lot of collaboratos were killed, same for russian officials. There were fights even in the streets of Kherson and there is an official partisan movement in those territories
@@is3t NATO backed partisans? Any way they won’t last long as this is about to be upgraded to anti-terror operation. They will meet same fat as Dokka Umarov.
You clearly underestimate Polands military power , their mentality and most importantly history. If Russia would take a step into Poland they would face within hours an army almost as big as Poland population. There is a reason why Polish people don't like foreigners. Don't forget the inner hate against Russia because of history that is in almost every Pole deep inside just waiting...To be honest we don't like/liked People from Ukraine either because of history but there is nothing we hate more than Russia because of its actions. That's why we help Ukraine with military equipment while supporting and accepting refugees from Ukraine. We know how it is being under Russian occupation. We don't want anyone to have that experience.
Very big difference between Poland and Ukraine would be population behavior. Polish civilians would be extremely hostile towards Russians from hour one of the attack. Russians would have to constanly guard literaly everything with big amount of troops which they dont have.
I will tell you a secret: Russia has a population of 155 million people, an army of over 1.5 million and a military reserve of over 30 million.
We Russians wouldn’t give a damn about the mood of the Poles, we wouldn’t take care of the civilian population of Poland, they are not brothers for us because Ukrainians, so if necessary, we would simply turn all the cities into ruins and destroy everything in our path, as this makes the US in Libya. We would not stand on ceremony and try to protect those who are opposed to us. If the Polish government did not evacuate civilians from the war zone or this civilian decided to fight - it will be destroyed from the air and wiped off the face of the earth if necessary. Therefore, let them pray to their masters across the ocean that this would not happen to them.
This scenario is inherently flawed, because it disregards logistics. Russian logistics in Ukraine are very bad, and that's with them having access to Ukraine from three sides and having direct access from Russia. Russian logistics in Poland would be abysmal. Remember the battle of Kyiv? Imagine that, but MUCH WORSE. I would be surprised if Russia could deploy half the troops they deployed against Ukraine. So from day one, they would be in a heavy numerical disadvantage. And that's day one. In a month, Belarussian railway network wouldn't be functional due to bombings, meaning all the Russian troops would have to retreat or get destroyed due to simply not having ammo, food, fuel and so on.
And reinforcing Kaliningrad? Nope. You would have to be completely incompetent to do that. Which of course means Russia would probably do it, but it would only lead to much higher casualties on their part. Why? Because Kaliningrad cannot be supplied if Poland is willing to shoot to prevent that from happening. Every single ship they send will get sunk long before it reaches the port, with Russia not being able to do anything to prevent that. Meaning all the forces in Kaliningrad will be worse than useless a week from the beginning of the war.
Attacking Poland would be even more of an embarassment to Russia than attacking Ukraine was. With Ukraine, Russia will just lose in a year or two and then retreat back to Russia. With Poland, Russia would lose in months and forever lose an important part of their territory.
i dont think its the point, rather an interesting hypothetical we can discuss. It has obvious logical flaws the channel is probably well aware of
@@kmriifps But that's not the point. I can accept the premise of a fictional world where Poland isn't in NATO and just gets the same support Ukraine did. That's the hypothetical part, allowing you to discuss this. But assuming Russia would magic supplies out of thin air makes this completely nonsensical.
@@matejsochor1673 the video did not take into consideration any hypotheticals like morale or issues they have had, only numbers from paper no? anyway you do have a strong point and i agree, i merely wanted to point out the purpose i understand in the video
Missed point is that Russian logistics is rail based, while Polish rail is... incompatible.
@@kmriifps And if he showed the two armies in a featureless arena and discussed the scenario on that basis, it would be completely fine. But he talked about terrain and took into consideration some ways it would shape the conflict. What I object to is cherrypicking what influences of geography the scenario considers and what it doesn't. That's what turns it from a hypothetical scenario to a nonsensical one.
NATO aside, I think Poland would always receive more help, quicker than Ukraine did. Purely because of the symbolism of yet another aggressor rolling into Poland.
@gerald kelly Well not the Nazis of the 20C anyway. Some of the POWs coming back from Russia remind me a lot of WWII pictures of concentration camp prisoners though.
@gerald kelly according to russians Poles are nazis as well.
@gerald kelly what exactly does that mean? Poland was attacked/occupied by the commies too.
Symbolism... cute and romantic. Like a Hollywood movie. Nobody would/gonna help. Everybody is gonna wait and see how much we can stop the red wave. Like the partition of Poland, the bolshevik war, ww2 and the communist occupation, everybody is gonna watch. And NATO, specially the U.S r just here for business. Showing u.s. corporates, that they have control over the situation (protect Mc Donalds, raw materials and the rest of the american capital), but in reality they (Pentagon) even want to provoke the bear. They luv to fight russia not on u.s. ground. They never did. America need war, good for the billions of taxmoney for army and own pocket. Lloyd Austin, secretary of "defense" and weapon lobbyist (Raytheon, among other things) is helping as much as he can. Like always we are on our own
@@kalewintermute28 true
Lol the beating Russia would catch from Poland would be fucking legendary.
When the Poles have technological parity with whoever they are fighting and decent leadership, they stack bodies better than anyone else in Europe.
And the civilian population has an absolute rage-boner against Russia
Poland hasn't had a war against another army proper for a long time they lack war experience
@@anasqader3851 They do tactical maneuvers for last 20 years or so, even more often after 2016. Also about 50.000 active served in middle east conflicts for over a decade if you dont know.
It doesn’t matter if statistically speaking for the last 1000 years either your father or his father was involved in military operation of some sort , the nations military traditions and historical remembrance passed from gen to gen imbues their blood . They say in Poland that once great Muslim kings and than Napoleon , Hitler and than Stalin were trying to take over that country but never succeeded, do you even for a second think that Volodia would ? Judging by the historical data and the simple fact that the country is called Poland and it is 90% populated by polish People speaking 100 % Polish language here in 2022 I must conclude that Russia neither in this shape or any other can really threaten poles what so ever
To win against russia, Poland only needs someone to watch over the Germans so that they don't stab us in the back 😉we've been playing this game for 1000 years 😁
I'm not a German, so my opinion really doesn't count, but I doubt that Germans would do anything if some Polish women fled the war to Germany.
Todays Russia is not same as medieval times. It’s far stronger.
Russians: “a world without Russia is not worth living in”
Poles: “a world with Russia is not worth living in”
Everybody: “Russia is not worth living in”
Your comment implies that all Poles right now want to kill themselves. A bit weird.
If Russia attacked Poland we would now be calling Russia the "New Poland Federation" 🤣
You are Just 🐩s brking because you believe your American masters will protect you
A Pole was asked “if the Germans and Russians invaded again, which would you fight first?” To which he responded, “The Germans of course. Business before pleasure”
The next partition of Poland may be the last. Poland is weak without its masters. At one time, it was even a shame to call it a country, since it was the territory through which the europeans attacked Russia (and then they were driven to their own capital in disgrace-France will attack Russia-the Emperor of Russia Alexander 1 enters Paris, the Germans attack Russia-the Red Army enters Berlin)😄
@@xemiliduam Stupid response. Learn more history.
@@xemiliduam There won't be partitions of Poland anymore. Now there is going to be a partition of Russia. The third if I count well. The third time lucky as they say.
Poles Dont forget how Russia kicked Poland when he was Down (after Nazi Germany invaded them),and the Katyn forest murders.
What if Russia attacked Poland? Kalinigrad would be called Królewiec , there would be Belarus without Łukaszenka and a civil war in Russia.
If Russia attacked Poland, Warsaw would be called Варшава.
@@IshijimaKairo Nice wet dreams, how is it to lose up to 60k soldiers on Ukraine?
@@IshijimaKairo Lol, you can't even win in Ukraine, but you dream of winning against Nato (which is far, far more powerful than Ukraine)
@@IshijimaKairo You mean, the same Warsaw, that filthy Bolsheviks once hoped to find few bars of chocolate on the streets, as some kind of unearthy phenomenon?
15:55 I think there's more historic and cultural animosity between Poland and Russia than between Ukraine and Russia. Ukrainians and Russians both have Orthodox background while Poles are Catholics. Poles and Russians have had more wars between them than Ukrainians and Russians throughout history. Poles very much still remember Katyn, the horrible crimes Red Army soldiers committed against Polish civilians during WW2 and the Soviet communist puppet regime that held power in Poland for almost half a century .
Катынь помните, а на жертв Волыни удобно забыли. Какие вы лицемерные и мерзкие поляки.
Poland wouldn't be able to hit the article 5 button fast enough (and NATO would be in Moscow by now)
You mean Europe would be a nuclear wasteland?
Yup!
F35s over Moscow speed run
Guess someone didn’t watch the video
IF the button is wired by the designer of the board!
😉
This didn't age well
Yea can’t find anything about the situation at the moment
This situation is crazy
@@buka4874 Russia is denying it was theirs, and some OSINT pages are saying the scraps resemble Ukrainian missiles, and some say that it could have been the remains of a missile already shot down
What if Poland was invaded instead of Ukraine?
Well the people in Moscow would know polish very well by now.
there is a joke in eastern europe. . Journalist ask finish genelar. How long would take fins to take Sankt Peterburg during war.
Impossible. answer Genelar. Polish would be there first.
NATO and Ukraine soldiers parade in the Red Square 😂
@@kazimierasmickus8097 "...again riots on the Polish-Chinese border" XD
@@bolobalaman Lmfao funny joke, they couldn’t even make it past the Russian border once winter and attrition sets in, and even if they did they would be nuked into non-existence even if they made it a few miles past the border
Remember, the last time someone invaded Poland, the world went to shit. Just don't
Hmm, how would Russian logistics worked even farther from Russian borders? They have MASSIVE problem suppli equipment to units 100km from Russian borders. Now supply accross Belaruse into Poland would be even worst.
Half of the vehicles would even get there due to bad tires and mechanical problems.
They would invade using horses
@@jojojojo4332 until they eat them.
@@lukask4498 in this order: ride them, shag them, eat them XD
This video is hideously inaccurate for many reasons:
1 - Mentioned NLAWs and Javelins being in greater number for Ukraine before war. Because they were DONATED right before it. Same would happen for Poland.
2 - Totally ignored that Belarus' logistics were screwed up, meaning relying ENTIRELY on them for 180k men would be a disaster.
3 - Somehow failed to realise that attacking into an encircled small point is a REALLY BAD IDEA for Russia when facing vastly better things like PGMs and modern MBTs.
4 - You really REALLY underestimate just how frenzied the Poles can get when it comes to this. There'd be millions of volunteers on day 1.
I was half getting dressed in my gear.. when noticed it is benkov...
@@UNKN0WN_1 Put this dress down
2. Point - so true. Logistics were what lose I WW for Germany. Well better put would be "stupid allie invading country, because was too bored of being big". Austria-Hungary had so big logistics problems (especially in railway) that transporting soldiers quickly was near impossible
So who am I supposed to trust, him (the expert), or you? I think I’ll put my money on the guy that does military analysis for a living
The question is how long could Russia hold Moscow
More like how many new starbuck and McDonald joints will be built in moscow
I think China would help though
Lol yea 😂😂😂😂
@@TheSiprianus true lol
@@coops1992 nah probably not and even if do u think Chinese troops would actually make it? Do u see the absolutely massive distance?
Poland would turn on 1610 mode and get moscow with Lithuania
But "Dymitriady" had happened over 90 years before that in 1604-1610 , the PLC was weaker in the 1700 due to many wars and bad internal decisions on the nobilitys bad decision making, which lead to the PLCs dissolusion and the partitions of it
@@jezuschrystus4pak860 fk I've mixed dates lol, thank you I m editing
The polish Army is better equipped, better trained, and better experienced, than most other NATO partners. They fought hard in Afghanistan.
And they hate the Russians more.
U forgot France and UK ...
Yes, and Germany, Romanian, Georgia, Denmark, Spain, and Italy
The Poles are not about equipment, but about their mentality and the ability to sacrifice. The spirit of Poles is great, we have a huge history. We have been fighting the Russians for 500 years, we had 19 wars, we won 14, we occupied Moscow for two years .. They defeated us with partners. The problem is that they have nuclear weapons, it causes fear, not their army ..
@@jaro2576 precisely as thee* hath spoken
Poland: "Finally, an excuse."
Sheee-it, there's probably 10,000 Poles shooting Russians in Ukraine right now.
What, Královec is red on the map, but Královec is now annexed by the Czech Republic. You don't know it?
before the Beer Streem is installed, it is not really Czech.
Can’t joke about Czech not having sea access anymore smh
C'mon Binkov, give russia an opponent they *might* stand a chance against... Fiji maybe? Assuming the russian navy didn't get lost, open fire on themselves or on any nearby fishing boats, on the way of course.
Russian army at it's full power can fight the Chinese army.
Step One: invasion triggers NATO alliance
Step Two: Russia gets renamed something else
Step two would be Moscow being occupied then step three would be nukes
Putin dies and goes to hell. At some point he gets leave and comebacks to Earth for a while. He heads to Moscow and enters a bar, orders a beer and asks bartender:
- How is it going? Is Crimea ours?
- Yes - replies bartender
- And Donbas... is it ours?
- Yeap.
- And how about Ukraine?
- Whole country is ours.
- That's great news! How much should I pay? - asks Putin
- 5 euros.
funny af man
20 złoty
Hahahahah nice Joke Man
I think the Polish volunteers would number roughly 38 million on day one.
If Russia invades Poland, whole first week of the war is Poland figuring out how to run a lottery to see which army units gets to be the first to enter Moscow at the start of the second week. Only real strategic difficulty for Poland is coordinating so that all 38 million volunteers don't try to take Moscow at the same time.
Binkov forgot to mention that north east of Poland (the part next to Kaliningrad, Suwalki Gap and Belarus) is full of lakes, swamps and it's full of dence forrests. So it's the worst type of terrain to attack.
Because attackers would have to stick to the main roads, while defendera can justecamp on the forrests.
Very true indeed
i think if russia attacked Poland instead of Ukraine it would be the nastiest and most prevalent 'fuck around and find out' in history, one should never underestimate a Poles passion for freedom and raw hate for an invader
Especially the raw spite if it’s a Russian invader
@@gideonmele1556 I genuinely think we’d mobilise millions within a month, every village would have to be wiped out in order for the russians to advance because the partisan warfare would be too much to deal with
Putin is learning to not underestimate Ukraine right now. They also have a passion for freedom and don't want to be Holodomored like Russia did to them in the past. Also, their resolve is strengthened with every civilian Putin murders.
@@havable We hate your banderism it’s hideous!
As the polish meme would say "Revenge at all costs" 🤣
By 2027, with 366 Abrams, 260 K2s, 249 Leopard 2s, Poland will have the most potent armored force in Europe.
With SPHs in number of 104 AHS Krab, 212 K9A1, 111 Dana and 122 Rak, also with MLRS in number of 20 (at least, new order is being prepared) Himars, 75 WR-40 and other systems, Poland will have the most powerful artillery force in Europe.
With five divisions and increasingly growing number of soldiers, Poland will have one of the most numerous armed forces in Europe.
Additionally, with 3-4% GDP spend on military, with growing capabilities of Polish defence industry, with modernised air force of 48 F-16, 32 F-35, 48 FA-50PLs, I dare to say Poland will have the second most powerful army in Europe.
@gerald kelly You are aware that S Korea is taking the cake when it comes to Polish military shopping? In 5 years with the pact signed a war simulation between Russia and Poland will look vastly different
@gerald kelly huh? Georgia 2008, Ukraine 2014 and 2021. Syria? Russian supporters seem to have short memory span.
@gerald kelly Competely forgetting Russia invading at least three countries in the last 20 years for the exact same reasons. Georgia, Ukraine, Syria, Chechnya would show its far from just the US invading countries.
366 tanks is nothing....
@@nikeimizhongtomasch1880 That's why it's over 870.
Who is here after the attack actually happened?
Yep this aged poorly
Poland has totally destroyed russia in 1v1 war two times in 1610 and 1920 that would be just the third time with a little help of nato
And was defeated nine times. One time with people militia. Poland stronk eh?
@@shedda9788 Cope troll
@@shedda9788 Cope bozo
We've reached the point of ridiculousness where we have to compare Russia only against Poland so that it doesn't lose so badly... For those who a year ago thought Russia was a superpower militarily speaking, things have changed drastically.
You are right.
A year ago we all belived Russias lies.
Now the Russian military have shown its worth against a near-peer Millitary.
Numbers does not make up for bad training, bad leadership, bad equipment, low morale.
The entire NATO coalition lost in Afghanistan. What are you talking about? Russia is faring quite well all things considered.
@@carpediem7654 Afghanistan was decimated in two weeks without any NATO ground troops deployed. Tactically it was embarrassingly one-sided affair. Can't say that with Russia's antics in Ukraine
@@Ufthak lmfao keep dreaming
@@carpediem7654
NATO didn't lose the war per se. It failed to create a state and stomp out Taliban and ISIS forces who hid among the civilians and never surrendered. This meant that NATO would have to have fougth an eternal war in Afghanistan which wouldn't happen. Ergo they bailed out and lost that way. But militarily it wasn't a loss.
Also how are the Russians faring well?! They have lost almost all of their good troops, they are trying to McGyver old tanks to the front, they have lost large territories, and now they are celebrating taking a town with heavy casualties!
If that is faring well then I don't want to know what you count as utter failure.
🚀The current Poland would absolutely destroy Russia. It's the new powerhouse in Europe!
Also Poland has 32 friends that love to help out. 🪂
Why your emojis look like that 🧐
@@NoobOfShame Probably because I'm on A PC. They look fine to me! 😁
Emojis look difference on pc and mobile, got it.
Russia invading Poland from the East
Germany coming from the West
Poland: "Germany! Are we not both in NATO?"
Germany: "Sorry, old habits"
If you do something once i dont think it would be a habbit.
Dont worry. USA ocuppy Germany.
@@aleksandergorzeba9642 They did it at least 4 times
@Ro. M. I have not heard of Russia and Germany attacking Poland all at once in history, unlike during the Second World War. But if you include Germany as Burgundy ,Prussia or something like that, it still would wrong.
This scenario is very unrealistic. 1. Poland would not be attacked if Russia would not take Ukraine and the Baltics in the first place. 2. If Poland would be attacked, then Russia would have to fight with Ukraine at the same time (without Poland, Ukraine would be almost helpless). Belarus would risk attack from Ukraine and Baltics 3. There is no way to attack Poland without longer preparation which will be visible a long time before the attack. It would give Poland and NATO time to prepare. 4. Poland would have much bigger support from NATO including modern tanks, artillery, planes, etc. 5. NATO has very strong airpower so Poland would not only fight on its territory but also attack logistic lines (which are very long) in Belarus. I think that logistic lines and military airports in Belarus and Kaliningrad would be destroyed in the first weeks of the war. Sometime after the start of the war, it would be continued mostly on Belarus territory. The biggest risk would be for Belarus in this case, because it would be completely destroyed and Lukaszenka would lose his country. 6. In the end, there would be many casualties, the risk of nuclear war, Russia would risk losing Kaliningrad, and Lukaszenka would risk losing his country. 7. The conclusion: it is better not to even think about attacking Poland, there is no way that Russia and especially Belarus would have benefited from it, only loses.
1. N.A.T.O. is not getting evolved.
2. It's if Russia ATTACKED POLAND NOT UKRAINE!!!
Poland would CLAP Russia. In Europe, Poland has one of the largest armies within Nato.
One of the largest compared to Vatican?
😂😅
“Less historical animosity”. LOL.
Historical animosity on Poland is assymetrical. Russia has not much interest in Poland, but Poland still remembers being invaded by two superpowers at the same time in WW2 and no one was willing to help.
@@triadwarfare Poland is used as boogyman in Russian propaganda quite often. Heck, Putin even had a whole “historical” (more like “hysterical”) movie «1612» made to stoke that.
Kaliningrad are Czech republic
You mean Kralovéc?
Königsberg is german
KALININGRAD/KRÓLEWIEC POLSKI🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱
Whew RUclips Recommended has a fantastic sense of humor
Let's compare Poland to Ukraine:
- Poland has better, more advance NATO-standard equipment, Ukraine did not.
- Poland has anti-missile defense such as Patriot
- Poland has well trained and motivated troops from the get go.
- Poland has NATO level command and communication systems
- Poland has much stronger air force with F-16
- Poland would not let Russians in, but defend on the border
- Polish commanders would not betray and let russians in like the south of Ukraine.
- Polish border is full of forests, hard to pass by heavy equipment.
- Krabs
- Poland has NATO/US bases on its territory
- NATO support would be quicker
- Also and arsenal of Pioruns, which decimated russian air force is already present.
This would be quick war resulting in total Russian defeat.
All true, except that NATO would be virtually ALL IN, not just more support.
in this scenerio nato is GB 1939 like :) but this off only 2 last point
All the consideration, including those made in the video don't make any sense:
- Russia has way more soldiers
- way more weapon (one billion times more money being spent on it). Let's say tanks: Poland has 797, Russia had more than 13000.
- easy-conquarable geography.
Without nato, external help and nukes, only two countries may confront Russia: the USA and China. Albeit it seems difficult to imagine the states and NATO separatly, as well as to dig down into such unrealistic battles.
@@veirant5004 I know you negated NATO, but that wouldn't be the reality...so, yeah, NATO spends 15X what Russia does on defense. The US alone makes up 11:1 of that.
And you want to talk numbers? The US has more Cobra helicopters, ONE TYPE, than Russia has of all types in total. And the US tech is FARRR more advanced. Russia can't even build a 150 mile range crapolla drone.
Also China is not remotely as capable as the US. They are still trying to get to the point of being able to fight only in their little corner of the world, where the US smashed TWO enemies (with help on the European side) on opposite sides of the globe almost 100 years ago, simultaneously. Enter reality, dude.
And Russia only spent 15X what UKRAINE spent, and they are a VERY poor country. Russia's GDP is nineteenth in the world, and about 1/14th of the US.
Last, but not least, the Russian army has been DECIMATED, both in REAL soldiers, not drunken morons sent from tending bar, and weaponry. They are sending in tanks that go so slowly that they actually sped up the video so people wouldn't laugh, guns that are so damned rusty they would NEVER fire once, and a lot more truly laughable stuff. On one the slide would only go about 1/3 of the way back, so you couldn't even CHAMBER a round, let alone fire it.
They have adapted naval missiles for land use, and their close in ammo depots seem to be going up like fireworks at Disney. When the dumbass Russians move them further back, I expect the US will just send in TACAMS (a next to the bottom weapon of that type) and end those as well. For the life of me, I don't know why we haven't sent in a couple of Tomahawks to end a span or two of that Russia to Crimea bridge...we would have if I'd had the call.
They TRULY ARE, by every parameter that matters, the number two military in Ukraine, as Ukraine is taking back ground fast than the Russians have EVER taken it since about the end of the first month. And the first month they were facing unarmed babies and babushkas, mostly. Russia is a joke, plain and simple, just laughing stock, and I hope the Ukrainians kill every damned invading (and collaborating) Russian in Ukraine that doesn't run away and leave, which they are getting pretty good at, I must admit.
@@veirant5004 Russia only has stats on paper.
Where are those 13k tanks? Useless junk.
More soldiers? We have more potatoes on fields which have comparable military value to russian 'soldiers'. How did that quantity advantage work for them in Ukraine?
More weapons? Are you talking about those missiles that fail 70% of the time and only 5 % reaches 1km within the vicinity of the target. Dream on. Throwing more stones or sticks won't give them an advantage.
Geography isn't great but it's way more defendable than what Ukraine has and Russia failed there hard.
Russia would fail hard against UK, France, Germany, Canada, Australia, Japan, Izrael, Saudi Arabia, India.
Ukraine was preparing to the war with Russia since 2014. That preparations were supported by US, UK and Poland if not by the whole NATO. Imagine what Poland with such support would do during 8 years! To understand that more just have a look on the decisions made during the last 6 months: more modern tanks, more artillery systems, more air defence, more planes, more helicopters, etc, etc… Russia would be fucked up…
Ukraine received no lethal aid from the west after 2014 to the invasion. If the west had armed Ukraine in 2014, the invasion this year would never have happened
If Russia attacked Poland Moscow would now be a polish city. 😂
Fun Fact: it nearly came like that already in the past
bro do yall nationalistic asses really think yall are breeding super heroes? Do you really think you could beat russia without nato equipment? Tell me how
@@iactas7892 Because Polish troops are NATO trained and armed with much higher amounts of American and NATO weaponry than Ukraine, and we’ve seen how decimating those have been in Ukraine. Only 20 HIMARS managed to stall the entire push and allow the Ukrainian’s to take back Kherson through destroyed supply lines and storage depots.
Poland who has invested far more into its military since the fall of the Soviet Union would preform far better in a war than Ukraine, and with how well Ukraine is doing I think that speaks for itself
@@nhjuznbbzuohgbv1415 actually it did actually happen
@@iactas7892 russian equipment is ass and so are their logistics etc
Russia would get 1920 flashbacks
U mean 1610 flashback?
@@rogaty8607 No, 1920
@Damien Yatsenko ruclips.net/video/59xHcxNl8F8/видео.html
Wet dreamer's
@@lyndon_daly1889 katsap alert
Germany would invade from the west out of habit.
😂👍🏻
Just out of laylity. When Germans attacked first they lost war, so maybe if they would attack second this time, then they will win. Big brain.
@Kuba i would Help Germany and i have very very big brain
😂😂😂😂✌Thank you... I needed that laugh.
Naw realistically they would argue in parliament for 3 months, before they decide they need to procure a new army uniform, delaying invasion plans for 2 years, before cancelling the entire plan because their chancellor was replaced.
You may have missed how north-east part of Poland is fuuuuull of lakes - small ones, but hundreds of them. Advances from Kaliningrad (sorry, Kralovec ;) ) would be thus very, very limited. And from the eastern side - from Belarus - there is a lot of swamps, forests etc. So any infantry/mechanized movements would be easy to stall. Considering your scenario - such war would rather look like a war of who has more long-range missiles/better anti-air protection. Furthermore - while Ukraine had some problems with collaborants, in here - Polish langauge is soo different, that any saboteurs would be easy to find. About morale - we absolutely hate russists, so it is likely many orcs would be found dead after drinking poisoned vodka etc... Interesting thought-experiment as such, but it deserves much more aspects to consider :)
Everywhere I go on r/NCD I see people saying we should “Let Poland off the leash”
Now, I can only assume that means we let Poland go ham and absolutely demolish Russians.
Have fast do you think Poland can reach Minsk?
@@PeterMuskrat6968 Depends if Poland have NATO planes. But only Belarus without Russia would be quite easy to take. They have only ~10 mln of people
It is also worth mentioning the Baltic Sea, which is called NATO's inner sea by experts.
@@ItachiUchiha-ew9lf it was before once the Warsaw Pact countries and the Baltic countries joined. But now with Finland and Sweden joining as well it’s firmly a NATO lake. We should probably close off the Denmark strait to any Russian shipping.
Why isn't the now known poor Russian logistics taken into account???
Because the copium is real
Exactly what I’m saying but in all of his Russian videos he’s always over playing how good the Russian military is so I’m not really surprised.
Also things like poor Russian training, corruption within the military, corruption of the military suppliers, poor readiness, and outdated doctrine.
This aged well.
Your comment aged well.
Next month it'll be: Russia vs a Girl Scout Troupe. Who will win?
A this point, probably a Girl Scout
Girl Scouts win by combining 🧪☠️ with 🍪🍪and selling them to Putin.
Kaliningrad becomes Polish
Królewiec* :P
Russia becomes Polish
Meanwhile, even uninvaded Poland is actively eager to fight Russia as revenge
Poland: Ah shit, here we go again...
I'd say that the Russian supply chain and logistics would ultimately be far worse in Poland than Ukraine.
16:00" less historical animosity"
22 Wars
Occupied each other(several times)
Russia tried to russify Poland for more than a hundred years
This profoundly overestimates Russian capabilities, which have demonstrated again and again are severely overrated. What good is a hundred Pantsirs with "Excellent" capability if you can't keep them crewed, fueled or even have working tires for them?
The thing is... Making an educated guess just has to be made based on what's on paper. And Russia just hide how many of their systems actually work.
Polish Army counts 167 157 (and not 82 000) + 32 000 territorial + 515 000 reservists and there is 19 mln poles ready and able to take arms.
Lol bullshit
@@TheAleksandros yeahhh!! in the words of our glorious leader vladdy daddy uwu, poland only has 1 soldier fielded 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Also Poland🇵🇱 is investing 133 billion💶" in total on defense(more than the 100 billion💶 of Germany🇩🇪 that Chancellor Scholz is cutting).
🟧1) 6 billion💶 have been allocated to buy US armament🇺🇲 which includes 500 HIMARS and of which 1.1 billion💶 destined for 250 M1A2 SepV3 Abrams of the latest generation.
🟧2) 14.5 billion💶 is intended for a large package from South Korea🇰🇷 which includes the purchase of K9A1 artillery, KFA-50, K-239 MLRS and the possibility of building 1000 K2 Black Panther under license on Polish soil.
🟧3) Leopard 2A4 will be updated to Leopard 2PL variant.
🟧4) Older T-72M1 and PT-91 Twerdy will be transformed into MBT PT-16.
🟧5) Not to mention the purchase of new IFV Borsuk, AH-64E Apache, Waran 4x4, More Rosomak 8x8, PL-01, F-35A, Spike LR missile, Brimstones missiles, UGV Perun, UAV TB2 Bayraktar, Kamikaze Drones, new SHORAD system, new Miecznic Frigate, New Assault Rifles and new Soldiers.
🟧6) Note that Polska Army have participated in various NATO trainings🗿.
Poland: gets attacked by Russia
NATO article 5: *your free trial of life has expired*
The Polish flag would be flying above Moscow after 6 months.
While they at it, they can liberate Russia from itself
Even better, it'd be flying above Moscow _again_ for the 2nd time in 500 years.
I am a Polish decendant currently serving in the US Army. If Poland were to be in danger, I can asure that a lot of people like me will be willing to fight in the defence of Poland.
I was born in Poland and I'm feeling polish myself but living in Brazil since I was 10. Big polish diaspora here, ready to come back and defend Poland if Russia will try to invade
Well, ladies and gents... it's been nice knowing you :(
Thanks
From what I've seen of Russia I've been shocked at their militaries performance.....
It should be if Poland invaded Russia
As a Pole I want to say, that even if we would be without NATO, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, and maybe Ukraine probably will be fight with us, against Russia, if Russia will attack Poland.
It is in their strategic interest. Just as for Poland it is in our strategic interest to help Litheunia, Latvia, Estonia or Ukraine.
Plus we really like ours dear neighbors ^^ Greetings for Litheunia, Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine and Romania, Czechia and Slovakia as well.
True, but NATO will be there for you. We learned from ‘39 and we can come to your aid quickly and efficiently. The USA and all the West sends it admiration and support.
Poland would pummel the hell out of Russia. They train their asses off and are constantly modernizing. Sourcing tanks from South Korea, airframes from the U.S. etc. In the U.S. military we know how capable the Poles are.
@@miguelservetus9534 It was not fault of the West in 1939. In 1939 alies sadly did not have possibility to help Poland, but today it is absolutly diffrent situation.
Yeah it's really hard to imagine a scenario where Poland gets attacked and the Baltic states sit on their ass doing nothing. Granted, the Baltic states are small and insignificant, but they would stretch the front line and divert of lot of the Russian troops.
Ukraine would be a guarantee, the baltics would follow the larger countries. France would appease putin and try to suck up to Russia like it’s done with Ukraine, Germany would panic they’ve depleted their military and are dependant on Russian energy and It would once again be down to the British and Americans to lead and arm Poland to the teeth
"Fewer historical animosities"?
I'm not so sure about that, the anniversary of an anti-Polish uprising that ended the Polish occupation of Moscow in 1612 is celebrated as a national holiday in Russia (Day of National Unity).
The title should be "What if Poland was invaded instead of Ukraine (if it was not in NATO)"
better to say " what if Poland invades Russia?"
Couple of points. Ukraine, when it was attacked by Russia was in an shooting war with the invader for 8 years. So the numbers of Poland vs Ukraine don't quite stack up. If Russia was attacking Poland for 8 years, you can bet their army would be bigger. Also... Poland would not stop at Russian borders... They would AGAIN go all the way to Moscow. Historically, Poland was the only nation that defeated and HELD (albeit only for 3 years) Moscow.
pretty sure poland will get nuked so hard if they try to invade moscow again
A good achievement, but Mongols held it for 300 years.
@@animenation5324 Mongols came at Russia when they were separated intact moscow wasn’t even a capital at that time They grew under the Mongols not before
Looks like we're about to find out
Yep, sadly however to me sounds like it came more from Aleksandr Lukashenko or maybe 1 russian patriot might have changed the missile coordinates on purpose...
I mean I know Mr. Putin is pretty bad but I still think this is not something he would have wanted to do since he waited all this long without such thing
But Lukashenko I'm sure fits very well to make war escalade and russia take the blame for the start of it and I'm sure he can't wait to enter on a full war cause it's what he has been preparing the whole time.
If Poland joined in the attack with Ukraine, Russia would be defeated very quickly in a conventional battle. Belarus would be liberated and Moscow occupied.
Russia are underperforming but that’s a bit too much lmao they would still take out Poland u realise it’s SMO so Russia are limited
I don't think they wouldn't able to take Moscow but advance deep enough into Russia would cause political crisis in Russia like in previous time in WWI and go through to Moscow is nightmare scenario for logistics.
@@wildfire613 RF is but a shell of it's past military prowess. Even Zapad-81 was just a show. Not an expert but after Stalin, it was all going downhill entangled with web of corruption. Putin tries to run it Iron Hand like Uncle Joe, but just like Putin's army, Vova is but a shell of real evil dictator.
Im sorry but "LESS HISTORICAL ANIMOSITY AND FEWER HISTORICAL TIES" between Poland and Russia is a load of nonesense. Pls fix this.
Yeah those three partition of Poland might have something to do with that
@@hashtagunderscore3173 more like 20 wars/conflicts between Poland and Russia
Yes - we can be friendly to each other as our cultures are reasonably similar, but once we start talking about history and geopolitics then we are more likely to kill each other than to agree on anything. I know actual stories of Poles who were threaten with knife by Russians for accusing them of invasion and occupation of Poland. Russian see Poles as ungraceful traitors. I wouldn't be surprised if there are less pro-Russian Poles right now than pro-Russian Ukrainians.The numbers are probably comparable in ~5% range. And there is certainly many, many times more pro-Ukrainian Russians that pro-Polish Russians.
A great wall of Poland would stop a Russians. It wouldn't be a that surprise.
Last time Russians needed help from Nazis (to attack on Poland from west direction in 1939).
I could tell you Slavic people from Poland Slovakia Czechia do not like Russia at all I guarantee you those countries would rally and help each other
Yes, I agree. You will be seized by Russophobic ecstasy, just like today. But at the first strikes on your cities, you will behave as you have always behaved. Like cheap prostitutes.
@@user-lh1xf5zx6ucheap prostitutes? you mean your parents under the russian mir? :)
@@user-lh1xf5zx6u spot on!!!!
@@kubaboguszewski8815 I don't understand what you mean. For Polish condoms, we can repeat Prague in 1794. So that people like you never dare to show their crooked Polish teeth to anyone else.
Judging by how Russia is performing in Ukraine, I would estimate the Polish flag rising above the Kremlin in 4, maybe 6 weeks.
I disagree. It might take Poland 4-6 months to take Kremlin
@@xkart001 if we start drinking in the mean time, to spice it up then sure ;)
@@xkart001 I doubt it if its like now I'm pretty sure NATO flag would be rising in a couple of weeks in Kremlin. I bet the NATO fucks are waiting for a missile to drop in Poland giving them an excuse to invade Russia.
Well the polish would be now in St. Petersburg, maybe Moskau too.
Greetings from Germany
LOL. The russians would've been in berlin like in WW2.
@@Ali_el68 They didnt even could take kiev and you talk about berlin.😂
@@Ali_el68 lmao, take Sumy first? Too weak? ahahahaha
*THEN THE WINGED HUSSARS ARRIVE!!*
Sabaton intensifies in background
Russia would get smashed.
poland would cease to exist. obvious 1 million percent.
No it won't.
@@MichaelAfton69420 Idk they are still struggle to Ukraine, the poles won’t give up that easy.
Pretty good analysis but it's only based on numbers. You have to take into account the Polish attitude towards Russians. It should be remembered that even after February 24, despite the fact that Ukraine have an open war, Poland was the most Russia-hating society, i did not notice that anything changed in this matter. Additionally, despite the fact that Poles are an eternally struggling pile of chaos on a daily basis, they can embrace each other at the time of great events. So mobilization would probably be more effective in terms of quantity and speed. It is true that the effectiveness of those mobilized would be low due to unfamiliarity with weapons, but morale would rather not be a problem. And Poland has a long history of kicking the ass of Russians on the battlefield, they were the only ones who conquered the Russian capital and regularly massacred their army despite the significant advantage of Russians. I know it's an old story, but the Poles are so stubborn and resistant to change that there is a chance that they would succeed again.
"Poland was the most Russia-hating society" - Just to add one important part, because your comment is true, but can give fuel to enemy propaganda. To clarify - Poland hate Russia as a country, but polish people never hated russian citizens (well it can change now), because for poles russian citizens are "stupidier brothers" who do not have enough courage to govern themselvs.
"has a long history of kicking the ass of Russians on the battlefield" - the history continues with the "Ukrainian" liberators of Kharkov saying "Kurwa" more often than "Бля"
@@ladrok97 Poles don't really hate Russians, but they really hate the Russian state, rulers and politics ... and Poland in Russian propaganda has been a bigger target even for the USA for a long time, so more propaganda attacking doesn't change much
Looking at how Ukraine is doing against Russia right now; I think Poland would already be liberating the Urals by now.
Without NATO support, Lviv would be Russian
Not really our troops would stop by smolensk to make Jaroslaw Kaczynski proud to liberate the place where his brother died
Moscow boutta be renamed Warsaw 2
Polish army has some VERY capable anti tank and air missiles (Grom amd Piorun). We also have TDF (local people trained for combat in their region) They proved in big exercises that they are ferrocious guerillas with military grade equipment. With the k owlage of their home country they are a big obstacle for any invading force
Poland would kick Russia's ass just like they did in 1920 and just like Ukraine is doing now never underestimate a person fighting for the survival of there country and there people
This is a certified Article 5 moment
Puntin really saw this and said: I'll give it a shot
NE Poland is not invasion friendly terrain. The Mazurian region is literally the land of a thousand lakes, and shitton of swamps and woodlands in between. It's perfect for guerilla warfare since mechanized armor can only go along the main roads.
The current state of the a Russian Military, Lack of logistics. Russia would struggle to invade Nauru.......I think Binkov is over stating Russia capabilities. Pre Feb 2022 I would agree. But after seeing Russia in action they had the entire world bluffed about their capabilities....
Yeah, even though 300,000 conscripts would be swimming to Nauru in Putin branded floaties and blue/white striped y-fronts, they'd "still retain a large amount of combat power". But NATO being the smartarses they are would not only have ensured 500,000 AGM-84s had been dispatched to Nauru, but also would have found a way to fit them there. :D
I think if the Russians had so much as kicked a stone across the Polish border they would have been chased beyond Siberia...