Response to Comments About Vessel
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- Опубликовано: 25 мар 2015
- In addition to the haters and trolls there were some genuine concerns about Vessel that I address here. If you don't want to sign up to Vessel, no worries. If you do, please use vessel.com/science
The reason you got hate was the lack of the beard.
Kuba urban Never trust beardless men!
Hank Scorpio You mean, like, women?
A bearded woman?
TheDoubleBee Only trust a bearded woman
This Place yeah
Couldn't have put it better! Nice work. I'd just like to add that by supporting one creator on Vessel, you're actually supporting all of the creators on Vessel. You have access to everything on Vessel, not just videos from a single creator.
Does he support you for ur videos?
By any chance, when he mentions about getting people to help with animation,is that in any way including you?
Keep making cool content Derek. Haters gonna hate. Most people don't know how many hours we put into these videos.... (for example 12:30AM when you really want to be in bed and you take a render break to go watch your buddy Derek's videos)
SmarterEveryDay Exactly
You guys rock! Thanks to you all, I understand the world a little bit more and, as an added bonus... I get to listen to english! I live in Stockholm, Sweden, I work in the commuter trains so I need to be able to understand english, so keep up thevawesome work!!
Don't you get revenue for all your videos?
Shantanu Saxena : They do get some revenue for the Ads that show on RUclips. But RUclips only shares part of the revenue it makes (Which is ok considering it needs to maintain this platform). But the money wont be enough to ramp up, getting more people involved how Sci show has done or increase coverage, topics, etc etc.. So i support the idea of Vessel and would gladly help in any way i can :)
SmarterEveryDay Dustin, I was pleased to see you hadn't adopted this platform, and I *really* hope you refrain from it in the future.
This really is a poor decision. I'd rather just give you some money and still use RUclips. Vessel is not a good site(as of yet). Basically, you are limiting the ways people can, or rather, some would be willing to support you. I don't mind sending you $10 or $20+ a month/year because I love your videos. However, I do not like using vessel, free or not. So even if I support you by subscribing to vessel, I will never use it, and(this is what makes it bad, IMO) I will now have to wait an additional week before I can see your videos on RUclips, where I want to watch them, regardless of how much I support your channel. So where is the motivation for people like me? That is demotivational.
This is *not about being a hater or a troll. This is about discouraging people* like me who do not like vessel and have no problem supporting your channel through donations, ads, and promotions.
CPGrey started a new(to him) way to donate to his channel, and I think it is a great method. He has a video about it, you should check it out.
I don't know if you'll read all this but, as someone who's a big-time RUclips *Consumer* - I kinda of feel like I understand a bit of both sides when it comes to this whole Vessel ordeal.
I think a lot of the negative comments are not because people don't want to support you - maybe some come across like that but I think that's just a loud minority. I think most of the genuine negative feedback is just from a lack of understanding, or maybe lack of willingness to actually understand, what the reasoning is and how it all works.
And then the other reason, and one I can sort of understand a lot more myself, is the fact that a lot of people are really eager to see this content! People really want to see new stuff, and not just new stuff - they want the *newest* stuff and they want it really really badly! I'm like this myself, so I really get this mindset.
Essentially they feel like they're forced to watch on Vessel, because even though there's an equally steady stream of content on RUclips, just offset by one week, it's still .... been available elsewhere for one week, and well... They could just have watched it one week ago, and enjoyed it, one week ago. It's that sensation that you're cheating yourself of instant gratification. It's completely nonsensical to feel that way, sure - you might just as well had delayed the video by one week IRL instead, and we would never have known better - but the fact we KNOW that the videos are on Vessel one week before, basically means well, shit, we have to go on Vessel now. Which won't always be a free offer, as you know. So people will be even less eager to make this jump in about... Oh, 11 hours or so.
Now that's not the end of the world maybe. But there are other problems too - and I say this as someone who now watches videos on Vessel as well as RUclips. Problems like:
Vessel video quality is inconsistent. Loading issues, stuttering in some cases, and worse video quality. Even though, on RUclips, I can load up your fancy 4K footage without problems (+1 for that). So, immediately, we go from a very good viewing experience to something that has technical problems and is sometimes slow. People don't deal well with that these days - maybe we're all spoiled - but really, a video stuttering and loading slowly for a minute, feels like the end of the world when you're used to that *not* happening, for so long, on RUclips (we all know how YT used to be in the early days - but that was the expected, it was the standard, so we didn't know better).
The browsing experience on Vessel is also pretty inconsistent and confusing. The default homepage is a mess of videos and you have no sense of timeline. Maybe it's just me - but it bugs the shit out of me. Even though the current RUclips sub-box is also a broken mess, at least it's a chronological broken mess. I see a list of videos, from newest to oldest, and can "scroll my way back in time" if I've been offline for a day. That's great - it gives some vague context to it all, and I understand where in time these things all belong. No such view on Vessel - I have to seek out each individual channel, on it's own, and find the videos there, and even then I have to click a few buttons to get a good old chronological order.
There's also no way to tell which videos are *unwatched* vs *watched* - as someone who's subscribed to like 120 active channels on RUclips, it's hard to just memorize thumbnails. RUclips does this well - it clearly indicates which videos you've recently watched, so that you can systematically consume your content. Vessel does not do this, and makes it hard to tell at a glance, if there is new content available or not - especially since a simple, chronological list view, is not available, or if it is, it's not the default - which it damn well should be.
*And thirdly!* The weirdest issue perhaps, one that I didn't expect when I signed up:
The Déjà vu syndrome that develops from trying to watch content on two different platforms.... Here's what happens:
I launch my browser to do my morning consumption of video content goodness - right now I'm going to Vessel first because, well, see above - it's got the newest freshest content. I watch some videos on Vessel. Great - I can live with some of the problems, especially since it's a brand new service, and I'm not an impatient brat, I understand some problems exist...
Some time later, I am on RUclips, watching videos. And I'm excited, because I see my favourite channels have uploaded some new videos! I head over to watch, *only to realize 5 seconds into the video* that I've already seen this. I saw this before. You know. *On Vessel*. Well, damn, I guess there is no new content after all.... But I can't tell, because I don't memorize thumbnails, and not all video titles are unambiguous.
I can imagine this being really really annoying after a few weeks, once everyone's upload schedule is properly adjusted and working as planned - I will be experiencing a mixture of excitement and disappointment on RUclips because many of the videos I watch turns out to be old videos I've already seen... But I can't just unsubscribe on RUclips either - because I don't trust Vessel to work properly and because the browsing experience is vastly worse! And hey, it'd do you, the creators, a disservice too - you'd have less viewers on RUclips, which is not aiding the cause.
So what am I going to do. Well, I'm going to watch on RUclips. Because it works, because it's what I'm used to. I'll end up checking on Vessel once in a while, because I'm hungry for fresh content, only to realize later that I just cheated myself of new content 1 week from now. So it becomes a double disappointment of sorts.
I love all of you guys for making the content that you do. And I understand that you need something to help with funding the work that you do. Totally get that - totally want to help with that. But right now Vessel is making things complicated, not only from a technical standpoint (Interface, loading issues, slowness, whatever), but in practise, in actual use, there are conceptual problems with the entire idea that I wasn't even expecting, but that makes sense now that I've used both sites for a short while.
Maybe this wall of text is worth something to you Derek - maybe not - but there's some hopefully constructive feedback on perhaps why, some people with less patience and open-mindedness, might be kicking and screaming about this.
To actually finalize my thought on it all I guess my feelings come down to this, I would subscribe to you, with real money, if RUclips added a button that let me support you. With or without video benefits - I don't really mind. Patreon is another option that many people like, but to me that's yet another external site to manage, and well, that's bothersome. Yet another page to open, yet another account to open, blah...
Of course you can't personally do anything about RUclipss decisions not to offer ways to support content creators beyond just ads, but I think something along those lines would go much more smoothly with people than other options.
I agree completely! Here, have a cookie ^_^
Mythricia well i don't agree with everything you said. first thing the technical issues they are there but vessel is new and youtube is like super old... youtube has over 10 years of experience on video watching and still could be a lot better. vessel is new and i hope they will figure things out in the next months. i use youtube totally different from you i only have 20 or so subs and i know all the thumbnails of stuff i watched but i also think vessel is confusing and i often don't the new stuff i want to watch.third i think when he is able to produce more stuff due to paid early access everybody wins paying users but also free users because overall they get more content.
Your second point is worth noting: Vessel doesn't have the technology to compete, yet. Well, you can't bust a monopoly with substandard competition. Vessel should have gotten their act together first, then launched as true competition for RUclips.
This mirrors a lot of my experience. And youtube should really introduce paid version for say 3$/mon. Not only to allow viewers to show appreciation of their fav, channels, and for creators to get some extra money, but to effectively kill the competition. Wise business decision if you care only about that.
Do whatever you want Derek. Haters gonna hate :)
Yeah, what they said^
The internet is filled with trolls so dont worry Derek. I still appreciate and admire how you took the time to address them.
yeah I felt the likes to dislikes ratio suggested that more than just trolls were upset by the video. Hence my response to clarify the things I didn't do a great job of explaining in the first place.
Still tho, I don't get what the big deal is? Even if you do it so you can have some extra income I can't see why that would be a bad thing. In order for us to enjoy your videos you work a lot and how I see it, that should be rewarding for you not just on emotional level. It's not like you are making all your content premium and even if you are that still wouldn't be such a big deal. So don't mind them, thanks again for sparing time to clarify things and as always thank you for being so awesome! :D
I can't believe that people are actually complaining about receiving free content. You've never sacrificed quality for quantity and for that reason I am still subscribed to your channel please disregard any negative feedback it is totally unjustified.
Nothing is free
Wayne Johnson
Well, depends how you define free, but even then, there are still quite a lot of undeniably free things. The sun, for example, you literally don't have to do anything to get hit by the sun's rays.
Wayne Johnson LIES
Wayne Johnson You're not paying to see his videos. That's free.
+PokemonTom09 ur a MR.LIER!
(Jk)
Internet creativity and money has always been an issue...
In France, for most people watching RUclips videos, making money out of them makes you a sell out. For absolutely no sensible reason...
You said it, it takes a huge amount of time and work to pull out even a 6min video, but most viewers don't even realize that. They just keep watching and watching like Homer Simpson eats donuts.
Best part, it's free! So why would they even move their butt to help you out with a few clics? You'll upload more anyway!
Sometimes it's really hard to anticipate that some guys won't like the week of work you put into making your video. But as you say... be hated!
When it happens, I just try to remember 1 thing: I don't make videos for everyone. I make them for those who LIKE them. Others can just go watch something else :)
Please keep investing yourself the way you do in your videos, even if many people don't say it, they're a true source of inspiration, support will come naturally from your true audience Derek!
#ForScience
Greetings from France!
This is the most beautiful spot I've seen in my life.
it was amazing!
2veritasium Seriously! You could just post 10 uncut minutes of this place and I'd watch it.
Elliott Collins 2veritasium Please do also post 10 uncut minutes of this place in 4k, and also some sweet desktop/wallpaper stills
I was there about a month ago, most amazing spot I've ever been. About 50m behind the camera is a black sand beach, amazing warm surf and cliffs on both sides.
Actually I'm a little surprised Derek was there in that place and yet thinking about Vessel... I guess that just goes to show how much of an impact comments on the internet can have on you.
I have no problem trying out a new video platform, especially with the one year free. After using vessel for a while, it seems incredibly difficult to navigate and find the videos i actually want to see. If this isnt fixed in the upcoming weeks, i dont see anyone continuing to support it. Im personally for the idea of a higher revenue video platform, as long as it works as intended.
It was completely clear to me, 2veritasium. Don't let the haters get to you. Thank you for all you do.
I went and signed up before the Vessel video was even finished. Came back and finished the video after. You, alongside Vsauce, are my favorite science channel hosts!
I did find is slightly funny that you got a 4k camera, considering vessel supports low bit-rate 720p at maximum. :P
That is my only gripe with Vessel, but I'm sure they will sort that out in a year, when the time to pay comes. It was not a very smooth platform launch.
It might be a little nerdy and I guess you didn't mean it 100% serious, BUT the better quality your source material is, the better the final version will be.
For instance he could easily zoom in on detail of 4k source material and it would still be sharp.
If you record in 4k and export as 1080p, you will get nicer images, and youtube, right now, supports 4k. I dont think its something for NOW, but in a near future.
Unchecked ignorance spawns hate, and a skewed sense of loyalty doesn't help. I wouldn't give the haters too much consideration in this case. I like what vessel is doing for creators and wish you the best of luck moving forward. You have my support.
I signed up for Vessel, and it seemed benign enough to me. If it helps Veritasium, all the better...
I feel like crying :( Derek, you are my inspiration, I study physics, in...other country, a shitty one...but the point is that, everyone dislikes studying, but you sir...you are one of the main reasons that make me to, so I can become like you, and one day have kids, and grandkids, and students, and random people, so I can pass them the same level of excitment and wonder for the universe that you possess, I check your channels every single week, and when there's a new video, I run to my girlfriend and tell her what you told me about ice or light, we even have a lot fun with your video analyzing yourself, about how were the first videos that you made...and I dunno, your legacy is worthy of admiration, like lawrence's krauss work, and I will ensure that your legacy will be inherited by the next generations, I read your papper about educational science videos, and told my teachers in my college about them, you, and vsauce's michael, and brady...all of you guys have changed so many lifes, inspired generations...and it's so sad the hatred in comments...they don't really appreciate you, but keeo that in mind...you have no idea, there's no way you can possibly know in what ways you affect people, and I can speak for everyone here that loves you, you enlighten us with the bright of a billion stars
I don't think Derek nor Vsauce's Michael hold any Ph.D. whatsoever. It's nothing wrong with that, but if you really want to do science, then do science. Derek is a great educator, but I cannot say he's a great scientist.
Derek has a Ph.D..., and I was talking about him and the others as science conunicators (: when you are in love you want to tell the world
claudio alarcon He has? In what field?
physics education research from the University of Sydney in 2008 with a thesis, Designing Effective Multimedia for Physics Education, it's all in wikipedia ;)
claudio alarcon "In 2004, Muller graduated from Queen's University in Ontario with a B.Sc in Engineering Physics and completed a PhD in physics education research from the University of Sydney in 2008 with a thesis, _Designing Effective Multimedia for Physics Education_."
Damn, you were right. Thank you for correcting me.
This topic is something you should be doing a video about for Veritasium prime. The issue is that over the last 10 years people have become accustomed to video content being free. Ostensibly ad supported, but many people are using adblock now so for them the videos are 100% free. They don't understand how much these videos cost to produce. And it is entirely the fault of the internet's give-it-out-for-free-first methodology. In an era of Twitter, with still no real business model and of countless other start ups that focus on having a free product for some time... Including Vessel... and an era of easy piracy. The expectation that people have of internet content is that it will be free and ad supported. And if someone is moving to a pay model, it must be for greed because they did it just fine before when it was free.
This issue needs to be addressed like you did Facebook likes.
Does RUclips notice add blocking? I use it on my PC.
If you don't see the ad, the creator doesn't get money for the view. That's all you need to care about.
limtd slipdf of course it does. Because there are so many ads being blocked, companies buying the ads pay less for them because a large percentage of them are blocked. Since they are paying less for the ad slots, people making videos get paid less for every view.
Right because there was no piracy before youtube right? Oh wait yes there was, TONS. People became tired and burnt out of the old TV model and distribution and turned to avenues like youtube because the content was conveniently delivered and catered to their specific taste.
The issue here is NOT that there are no revenue sources in videos, or even if ad block has an impact cause unless you do specifically tech related content the audience usually for the most part doesn't ad blocks. I bet most of you don't even ad block on your phones even if you do on your computers.
The issue here is that while youtube IS making healthy profits in revenue money, it has taken a very serious stand against it's content creators: They share less of said revenue, they have become extremely aggressive in DMCA claims and have a draconic "You're automatically guilty until proven innocence 2 weeks later if we even care about you" system and now want to kill other sources of revenue like in video advertisements (Like people getting their own sponsors and partners that they integrate into their videos directly instead or in addition to using youtube adds)
So if anything, the model is profitable you just need to be directing your criticisms at youtube, not the audience.
limtd slipdf Yes. There are plenty of JavaScripts that check if the ad isn't present in the page. There's even the basic check to see if your browser downloads the banner image file.
Hey! I didn't comment on the last video because I was sort of neutral on the whole thing. I got your point, but I checked out the sight and RUclips works much better for me as of right now. Really what I'm trying to say is don't think that all (or a majority, even) of subscribers are all up in arms about the vessel thing. I'd say by and large they are like me and they don't comment because they don't really feel the same way (definitely not as passionately) as those who seem to take offence to the vessel thing.
Your videos are still cool and interesting and educational regardless of what anyone else's opinions about a new website are.
Thanks for providing a voice of reason!
Veritasium
I can back up Will here. Most of the people who watch your videos probably don't care too much. as for me? I don't do videos regularly, or professionally. However, Iv'e put up enough content on this account and the gaming channel to know the basics of how much you make, and when you start making it.
It's an amazing job to have, but unless you get MILLIONS of views on every video you have, you're probably not going to be getting rich from it. Google will be getting rich, but not so much yourself. It's part of why I don't put up more gaming videos (let alone anything more expensive to do like science-related things).
I didn't comment either because I really don't see an issue, and I got on Vessel and it seems like they're still working on it, so I'll wait to form an opinion on that. Being a student I don't have much money to spare, so it's amazing to get video content of such good quality for free, I'm grateful for that even if there is be a week of delay compared to Vessel.
If I get it right the time between videos won't be affected, so for everyone not on vessel it's no different than you taking a one week holiday ( and getting more ressources in the course of the year.. )
What I'm saying is that you shouldn't feel bad about those mean comments. I think only the few who were unhappy commented while the vast majority were totally fine with your decisions.
Same here. I didn't reply, figuring I'd get around to checking out the options at some point, but fully aware that the RUclips experience would still be as available as before. I *like* the idea of providing support to my favorite content providers (inc Smarter Every Day and Vsauce and many others) so I have no problem with a pay-for-early-acess model.
Don't let the loud minority get to you; they don't represent all of us. (Idea for a new video? "How the silent middle is lost in the polarising arena of internet comments" ...maybe more of a CGP Grey thing...)
Do what you gotta do to survive and to keep providing awesome content, that's what we want!
This response was put very well. I'm sure people will understand it over time that without funding it isn't possible to make the quality of videos you make. I've signed up for vessel. Great job. :)
Dude, I live in Brazil and am a huge fan. Your videos are awesome. Seriously, keep focus on what you are passionate about. It is great you are addressing those in your audience that don't quite get what you do and neither get how hard it is to do what you do, but do not let them knock you down.
Peace!!!!
So... you're hiring? Soon? Eventually?
Where do I submit applications?
It's funny that RUclips next recommends I watch a video called "Be Hated" from you. Because you seem really concerned with not being hated in this video :)
I hope Vessel does well. Even though it will ostensibly be a paid service eventually, the point is that then the viewers will be the customers... as opposed to on the 'free' platform of RUclips, where users are the products being sold to advertisers.
Signed up @ Vessel dude!!
And there is nothing wrong being motivated by money, you really needn't justify it to us.
Your time, Your videos, your business.
I'm glad to have your videos for free, but if they weren't I'd be more than willing to shell out 3$ for each of your videos (the ones with science!)
Thanks for all the content, I've truly learned a lot.
Love you and your content!
your request was genuine and its our responsibility to support you as we follow your videos and learn so many things.. criticism is never going to help anyone! :) please keep up the good work.. we are always with you :)
Derek - this is so clearly a miscommunication. I can't imagine that ANY of your fans would be actually upset if they understood what was really happening here. No one has to pay a cent to see your videos - STILL! Also, to say that you are motivated by greed is an assumption about your intentions, which ultimately can't be proved EITHER way and is therefore a meaningless discussion that has no possible resolution. What we do know is that you make awesome science videos, FOR FREE, for the world to enjoy and learn from. If other people want to make assumptions about your "motivation" without adequate data to back up their claims, then they clearly haven't watched enough of your video to understand what science is all about.
I have a question. When you pay $3 do you get access to all of Vessel or just that channel? Because I would love to support ALL my favourite channels but $3 each I can't do
All channels and the money goes to the people who make videos for vessel
You make the most epic science films on RUclips and I do not say that lightly. I subscribe to hundreds of channels and when the notification that you have created a video appears it makes me extremely excited to know phenomenal content awaits! In that I am so confident I share and give them a thumbs up before I even begin watching.
Watching your videos increases my enjoyment for at least the remainder of my waking hours. Videos by Veritasium are always worth the wait.
You mention that you (understandably) delay yourself, what takes the most time that others may be able to help with? You talked about how you wanted to get more organized before fully embracing funding, what requires organization?
I signed up on Android (though it was a little slow, minute's channels were not selected by default, and I was forced to pick categories I did not want to follow, thankfully they could be removed later.) I hope the native application arrives swiftly.
I would love to see some collaboration with other Educational RUclipsrs (the teamwork with Vsauce was fabulous) for example Vihart, It's Okay To Be Smart, AsapSCIENCE, HipHughsHistory, Brit Lab, SmarterEveryDay, BrainScoop, Big Think, Brady's channels, BytesizeScience, CGP Grey, maybe even host an AllTimeTens or a DNews! A Google Talk or a guest on Timothy Ferris podcast would be absolutely astonishing.
Your passion for science shines through your videos, thank you for all your time and effort. I look forward to more amazing videos!
Happy to sign up. Also your unfiltered response on the issue is appreciated and convinced me to sign up when I had just glanced over it yesterday. Keep up the good work!
What type of camera you have?
this was shot on a Panasonic GH4 with 12-35mm f/2.8 lens
this is too much costly in INDIA..:(
It was weird to see such negativity and overall dumbness in the comments. I considered the audience to be a bit more mature. Oh, well.
I really wish you (and all of creators) luck in finding alternatives. Especially after some recent changes in RUclips, its' monopoly starts to be frightening. Will Vessel be that alternative? Maybe, maybe not.
Ps. IE bit was hilarious.
And somehow I couldn't find 3$/m part in t&c of Vessel. Is it going to be 3$ per channel per month? Or 3$ and watch everything?
Tim Dreams That's a good question. $3 per month to access all content is a very good deal, but per channel, that's a bit high. I guess it depends how many channels I'd be interested in.
Signed up for Vessel to support ur videos even though I'll probably continue to solely watch here on YT. Something that takes me 2 mins and is FREE (even in a yr at $3) is nothing compared to the days you spend to produce accurate, quality science videos! Genuinely impressed at some people's inability to see this.
Keep doing cool shit and ignore the trolls!
How can this get dislikes?
I think Vessel is a really nice thing, especially because it allows people to support you without having to pay anything. I signed up, and will probably even continue the subscription even after the free year is over. You deserve every support you get and even more. Please don't let the bad comments/inappropriate criticism demotivate you. We love your work, keep it up! :)
Come on people! RUclipsrs are the equivalent of self-employed people, at the whim of the popularity. They want to make a decent living and cover their costs.
I'm not going to be as polite as Derek: if you don't want to pay 3$ per months for well researched and high quality videos and complain you will see them 1 week later, I think you are a free-rider, entitled spoiled child.
Why you mad? Its only potato.
I would love to support your channel. you were my first science channel to find on youtube and made decide my future to become a physicist after I graduate from university. good luck and keep the good work
I appreciated your work here, man. Thanks for the honesty. Signed up and subscribed. Cheers.
Can't help but perceive you as smug and entitled in this video. You're not wrong in what you're saying, but lines like 'I don't understand what they are complaining about' just come off as condescending.
Personally I don't care much, I'll watch em when they get out on youtube if the quality remains as good as it has been thus far. You gotta make money, so you do you.
Smug? How is that smug? What the.. That was not smug.. Those complaints are indeed stupid. They were watching on RUclips, then can continue watching on RUclips.. Its not that hard to comprehend.
"I'm not going to even dignify the complaints with the mental effort to try to understand them." is how it came across as smug.
GigaBoost Given the context, doesn't seem smug to me.
That's like, your opinion man.
GigaBoost But you if you tried to understand them with the same mental effort, you'd end up with "By providing no information besides an email, I'm going to be stuck in this loop where at the end of the year I'll feel entitled to videos a week early, and I'm FORCED to watch a shitty website that doesn't have every channel I want....even though that means I'm blaming you for my own self-entitledness, which I wouldn't even notice if I never watched vessel to begin with".
So... utterly illogical.
Thank you for making these videos. You have taught me so many interesting quirks and concepts.
I liked this a lot. I like seeing new platforms arise. I appreciate your effort on pursuing your dreams. Keep on going!
I totally support any method of raising money for RUclips channels like veritasium, minutephysics, smarter every day and vsauce. You guys do an amazing job and should be well paid for that.
I've been a viewer of yours for quite some time, and you have constantly inspired me with your videos. You have my support throughout whichever video sharing platform you choose, and the free support by just signing up is the least I can do for what you've done for me
Derek, several years ago, your videos were one of the first I had found to get me into RUclips and the whole subscription thing.. Thank you for that. I have met a good number of awesome content creators and have begun taking steps to push forward with my own channel. Your one video about just starting to record stuff has inspired me greatly and I think about it often.
I happily signed up for Vessel and genuinely wish you the best of luck.
-Wes
I'm sorry you've received so much negative feedback and I hope it hasn't discouraged you. I've signed up for Vessel just to help support Veritasium in any way I can, though I'm not sure if I'm going to use my account often. I feel you deserve more than a fair pay for your work. Your videos have benefited me for years without me paying a cent. Thank you for your work and I'm happy to help support.
I singed up for vessel. I did not mind the ask in the slightest. I think what you and Henry are doing is amazing, and you deserve all the support you can get.
Only posting this to counteract the negative comments. Keep up the good work, and I'll pay for vessel in a year.
Very well said Derek. As a teacher i love using your videos in senior physics classes and my students love the way you deliver content. Happy to support a guy who helps me in my teaching practice every day, and in 12 months I'll be giving $3 a month. Henry makes a lot of my yr12 topic intro videos too so happy to support him also.
I've signed up. Thank you for the content you produce. Keep up the good work.
Mark
As a longtime viewer, I'm fully behind you exploring new ways to help fund the content, particularly if it eventually becomes free for everyone. Good luck!
I personally feel like you are one of the most genuine guys on RUclips and truly an inspiration for me. What you're trying to do makes sense and I'm sure people will come around, this video has definitely cleared things up for me and I'm sure it has for others too
You are my inspiration to study Physics, i really would love to support you, but i don't have a credit card but someday i will. Keep the good work, it really makes me happy, love from Argentina!
Hi!
Don't worry about those people that write those comments. They are probably just trolling. I have never really been interested in science since I started watching your and Vsauce videos, so, if I might say, You can be proud that you have gotten one more person to be interested in and to, kind of, love science. :)
Keep it up, people will support You and You will be golden. :) You are talented and awesome person and I wish all the best in the world.
I'm glad you took the time to address some people's concern.
But honestly, I loved this video because the entire time I'm staring at the background. It looks so beautiful, I hope you are enjoying it and not letting the cynics and haters get you down!
You dont have to apologize for doing things to benifit for all of us. Getting extra help to make even better quality videos AND let paying members get access to said videos early, is something new, people will get used to it. You guys are doing great, keep it up nyuga.
Bi thought vessel was fine? As soon as I saw your video I signed up, it was fast and easy and I was so glad to be supporting you Derrick. I think your great and so is minute physics/earth. Keep being awesome :)
Keep on doing what you're doing, Derek. Signed up for vessel and look forward to using it. hopefully people come to understand what you're doing. :)
This is the best science channel ever .....you are going awsmm...so much thanks for this great exploration. Keep it up...also you are true mentor for all science lover's.
I will sign up to support you through Vassel. Even if after the year I probably will not use vassel service because I don't really care about the early access, I will continuing supporting!
Hey, D, just wanted to throw a little positive support your way. I remember back when you were making videos in your living room (it looked awesome by the way). I've always been a big fan. I know RUclips sucks and you're trying to do something new. I've signed up for Vessel and we'll see where we're at in a year.
I signed up for Vessel and used the link to support you. As you mentioned in the video:
It's free for the first year and we don't even have to submit our payment data - which is awesome (you would have to do that on Netflix for the trial version).
The Veritasium videos are one of the few high quality educational clips available on RUclips and I appreciate your work a lot. That's why I was willing to support Veritasium.
Maybe I'd even donate in exchange to a brief meeting (or something similar) when you'd come to my country, that would be brilliant :)
I think it's easier for someone to "flip out" with a RUclips comment than face-to-face. I admire the way you've calmly addressed concerns and clarified "the issue".
For many of us your request/suggestion is a "no brainer".
Click a button to...
- Support you and the great content you produce.
- Try out a new video service that has a lot of great content.
- Increase competition in hopes that a better market will someday exist for content creators.
Zero cost to me, moderate advantage to you, potential big advantage for all of us in the future. You have my support sir!
I know you won't let the negative comments discourage you, as surprising it may be that there seemingly are so many out there. It is always refreshing to hear your honesty in all your videos. Maybe you don't hear it enough from people that do support you, but we do -- we value your work a lot. So thank you very much.
I will always support you. Your work is great and only a fool could doubt your sincerity.
Ignore the trolls and keep doing what you do.
I signed up to Vessel to support you. I really apreciate your videos so keep up the good work !
Looking forward to the Hawaii videos! Just recently bought my first telescope, so it will certainly be interesting to see the technology on a larger scale. As for Vessel, I've signed up for the year. Whether or not I start paying in a years time I'll see at the time, but regardless I'm glad to be able to support all you guys (I'm a minutephysics fan as well), and I hope the negative response doesn't put you all off too much from trying something new.
hi derek, student of physics here, keep making this awesome content! it have helped me to a better understanding of certain topics and also cheers me up, sothanks and keep making it :)
I don't really comment often, but I really enjoy your videos and wanted to speak up.
When I saw the video in question, I didn't think the "pay for early access" option on Vessel was for me, but I also recognize that it won't really affect me much. I really appreciate the work that you and other creators put into these videos, and I'm all for you guys trying to find new ways to support yourselves doing that.
I'll continue to be an enthusiastic subscriber and fan, thanks for all the work you put into your videos.
all your efforts are appreciated bro . . .
wishing you the best of luck
Good on you man! I signed up right after that first video, it was free, no trouble to me, and I get to use that app for a year, I like these videos and if you're not doing these vids then I probably wouldn't be informed about the topics you cover. Thanks you for that.
Just subscribed on Vessel. Thx for your work!
Just want to leave a big THANK YOU for all the work you have done in the past! Don't get unmotivated or frustrated by the negative voices. unfortunately they are always louder than the positives.. I love every single video you have produced and you are by far one of my favorite youtubers! You helped me see the world trough a different point of view and I am so thankful for that!
Keep doing what you are doing, I believe 100% in the work you do!
Greetings from the Technical University in Vienna! (maybe i'll get to see you here one day ;D )
I signed up! Thanks for all you do, I know you put your heart into your work and I appreciate it :) Best if luck :)
thanks for making these videos and am glad to help out by clicking the link and joining Vessel :D
most people who subscribed to this channel what to support you more and love seeing your videos. thats is why there is a lot more positive comments in this section. you really should add a link on last episode to this video showing your concerns. your first channel has 2 million subs this one has 245 thousand a huge difference. just a thought to get this message out there. love your vids keep them up. being a university student and taking physics you help me understand so much and i'm very grateful to have found your channels and same with minute physics. thank you
Your motivations are golden. People are just scared of change. Please don't be discouraged.
I just admire you too much for words, Derek. Thank you for all you do and for sharing it with us.
With admiration, respect and love, from Chile, where I would love to see you someday! 😊
I have no idea what this video is about but I really like listening to your voice so I watched the whole thing. Keep up the good work.
Welcome back Derek's beard, we all missed you a lot
Been watching for a while, and glad that there is finally an effective way to support your work, even if it does require something new. I will be heading over to Vessel to check things out.
I appreciate the time you took to make this video. I've seen a lot of discontent when RUclipsrs I like take steps to increase their income, be it via Vessel, Patreon or sponsor spots. I think there's a lot of misunderstanding out there about the time it takes to make a quality video and the return you get from ad revenue.
You've addressed it a number of times, but with channels the size of Veritasium I don't think you have much of a chance to reach everyone. It's the same story for many other channels. You're probably mostly preaching to the choir here on your second channel.
I decided to give Vessel a go after you and some other channels announced your desire to give them a try, and the site does feel a bit slow and clunky. I doubt I'll use them as a primary video source at the time being, but if they improve, I'll gladly pay a small monthly fee to support content creators like you. We'll see how things play out.
Ignore the Vesell complaints, I signed up, already support you guys, glad there is a free option, really awesome you guys did that.
I think you were actually quite clear in your video about Vessel. You specifically stated why you were using it; noted that all videos would come to RUclips (and thus be free); and you specifically noted cost and that signing up would be FREE with the link you gave. If people were ragging on you, then either they weren't listening or they have the misconception that money grows on trees for people to be able to make educational videos.
Keep up the fabulous work! :)
You're the best. It doesn't matter what people say, in science and altruism we trust. We need people like you to continue existing, and I'll do what I can to support you in our journey through the teaching of sciences.
I hope it works for you and you have my support even though I was one of those people that left a comment saying it wasn't going to work because your still posting videos to RUclips for free. I will sign up right now. Good luck.
Hi. I'd just like to quickly say, for what it's worth, I'm signing up to support you because you deserve it. Thanks for the information thus far. I hope to see plenty more. Best wishes.
I wish that i could make this comment somehow louder or more forceful to drown out some of the negative feedback. A 1 year free subscription with no credit card is perfectly acceptable to me to help support you. i really hope Vessel uses this year to iron out its offerings. The team up with Henry is also extremely exciting as i enjoy seeing my favorite Edutainment youtubers collaborate more frequently. Finally, thank you for finding an option that allows me to support you WITHOUT having to donate via Patreon. My biggest hope is that the channel you and Henry continues to expand to include other RUclipsrs such as Brady, Grey, Destin, the brothers Green, etc so i acheive the value add necessary to stay with Vessel in a year.,Please continue to do the work you do.
will support where ever you go bro!!!!!
I missed the original announcement, but I just signed up.
I'm pretty sure I also set up a "pay $1-2 per video" on Subbable and/or Patreon. I don't need perks or whatnot. Your videos are just worth it.
WOW, the difference between 4K and 1080p is HUGE (even when you run in on a 1080p monitor), I wish the very best for you, keep up the good work. I'm also not mad about Vessel, a man gotta make his living and I don't mind the delay if I won't but the sub there.
Hi Derek,
I usually watch your channel with my boyfriend through his subscription but I got off my lazy butt to sign up to vessel through your link. It doesn't give me a free year - maybe I missed the deadline - but I hope it supports you anyway. I appreciate your work!
Good luck and all the best, Keren
Honestly I thought your Potato video was quite informative and entertaining! I am also glad you posted this. It really helped me see where you're coming from better, although I would have supported regardless. I really do hope many people are able to find you to truly love your content!
It's nice that you responded to the feedback even when you didn't have to. I think a lot of people just get up-in-arms when they hear about crowd-funding. I feel like at this point, your audience knows you and the majority of people are happy that you've found a platform to grow your channel with. It's usually just the vocal minority finding things to complain about. Keep up the great work!
Usually I am very much a fan of not feeding the trolls but I do really appreciate your dedication to your viewer base taking the time answering their concerns. It is shocking to me that some people (was about to use another word there) do not think even the few seconds it would take to work out that their accusations of greed are clearly unfounded here. Thanks for showing off this beautiful part of Hawaii, I'm off to support you on Vessel. :)
I love your content and I'm so glad I found you (I believe Vsauce is to blame for that).
Also, I follow some other science channels and if anyone has the time, do tell about your favorites, I'd love to find more :)
Derek, unfortunately I think a lot of RUclips Content Creators are grouped under one big umbrella of "RUclipsrs", and the viewers tend to think every channel operates in somewhat similar ways. Doing things like this or Patreon makes sense for a channel like yours because of the higher production costs and the much longer turnaround times. A lot more works goes into things like this versus some of the other types of video content consumed on RUclips that gathers similar statistics. There's a lot of behind-the-scenes work (time, effort & resources) which happens that a lot of viewers won't realize because they are seldom talked about.
The sad reality is that if it wasn't for some kind of reasonable funding (and income), then the only natural result would be the closure and major downsizing of a channel. These are decision that we make and think about as creators, but it's not something a viewer will give a second thought about. Sometimes we make crazy sacrifices in order to try to get somewhere and then feel negativity when we try and take things to the next step or accept opportunities that may not have existed in the past. It's an unfortunate but necessary side effect of a growing channel (and business).
There is always a divide between content creators who are actually interested in taking opportunities that they see beneficial to their channel while others are just looking for a way to make the quickest buck in the quickest way. I think you should keep doing what you're doing, and I'm glad you were able to create the Limbitless video through the support of sponsors, because I found that to be one of the most interesting and thought-provoking videos you've released. If this is something you need in order to create the best content that you can, then you have nothing to worry about. For every vocal hater in the comments, I like to think that there at least 10 of us that "get it".
Keep doing what you're doing and make sure to communicate that the steps you are taking are necessary steps to keep the channel running in a similar or better way. As long as you are offering videos on RUclips for free, than anyone who isn't willing to watch doesn't truly support you.
My understanding of your desire to switch to Vessel: Increasing revenue to produce better quality content more often. Personally I feel both these issues could easily be resolved through crowd-sourcing and crowdfunding. I know from reddit and the comment section that many of the people watching your video's are highly educated and would gladly contribute if Veritasium was doing a video on their expertise. And I personally would rather directly support you through Patreon or some other service than switch from youtube to a different platform. That being said I tried Vessel and will reevaluate the service after a year.
Love the videos though and am happy to support Veritasium in any way possible!
Derek! You are one of the few people that really do good to society! Hope you won't get too disappointed about people that cannot recognise that. Count with me clicking on Vessel. And I really hope you can support yourself by doing amazing videos and teaching science through them. Once my kids learn english (we speak Spanish) for sure I'll show them your work. Best Regards
You are really accomplishing your goal on science film making, you inspired my to study physic which i will certainly do. Keep this amazing job and please don't stop making videos, ever!!
I totally understand your being on multiple horses/potatoes, I also totally understand the model Vessel uses (essentially a synergy between RUclips's medium and Subbable/Patreon's reward model).
As far as I've seen Vessel is really really young (a few months), so I also understand that their android support is somewhat limited.
The only substantial doubt I have with the Vessel platform is that they require you to be already somewhat popular before getting allowed to publish content with them! This means that something like Veritasium could never have emerged on it, which is a real shame and also dictates that a platform like RUclips must exist as a breeding ground for new potential Vessel publishers.
In this sense, I really prefer the RUclips policy that allows anyone to publish. I think it is vital to what makes RUclips so great, and thus is essential to the success of any competing platform.
i totally support you keep up the great work !
suggestion upload your videos to vimeo so you dont loose the 4k quality that youtube compresses ( you get 25 gbs free each year i think)
What amazes me is not the criticism from naïve people... this is expected. What amazes me is your patience to explain what does not need explaining. Thank you for making these videos and taking the risks associated with taking this professional path.
Derek, you read youtube comments? Never read the comments. (I realize the irony of saying this in a youtube comment)
PLEASE always remember the non vocal members who enjoy your videos and don't complain. It hurts me to think that I get lumped in with those who were nasty on your Vessel vid. I signed up for Vessel after your first vid. I greatly enjoy your stuff. Keep it up, you're what's RIGHT with the world.