As an outside observer (having only taken an interest in Spurs because Ange is there) it appears to me that the toxic and vocal minority of Spurs fans, psychologically damaged by Spurs’ history, and sporting nervous tics and hand wringing, are simply unable to deal with reality. Things take time. Players aren’t always perfect. Support them. Support the club. Get real!
I wonder how many of these "so called" Spurs fans bagging out DL / AP are actually Spurs fans.. maybe short memories, Arsenal fans in disguise, bots, 14 y/o Liverpool keyboard worriers. I'd take ENIC over Sugar any day. AP over Mourinho (and many other managers in the past, Potch / Rednapp being the exceptions). All the stats are looking very good in AP's second year. I have a lot of Arsenal fans and they were hurting in the 3 years of 8, 8, 5 (Three years!!). Watch the press turn when Spurs string 3 or 4 wins together..
@@tonybeeston4734 the press 'turning' is their prerogative, it changes with form. As do the fans, Johnson has been awful form wise until the last game and the fans should be alble to comment, if and when he has a good run they comment accordingly. It seems half the spurs fan base want ONLY good things said after poor games. That is NOT realistic !
1,000% spot on, Barnaby! I have written many Strategic Plans in my corporate life, where the question that must be addressed is, “How do we succeed when there are so many competitors, some of which have much better resources?” The same question applies in sport and Ange understands he needs to bring something different to the table and that he must execute the plan at the highest level to be successful. I believe Ange is open to being more flexible, but only once the team can execute is plan consistently at the highest level. Until then, he MUST be dogged in driving home the dogma he believes is the path with the best probability of success. As a fellow Aussie, can I just add that we are actually okay with losing, as long as we dedicated everything single ounce of our being to winning. And that dedication starts in our belief that we will win. Spurs British fans seem to culturally struggle with that belief. Yet belief is the precursor to playing with the confidence to win against anyone who stands between you and your road to success. Ange is instilling belief in the players. Spurs fans can help instil belief in the players too by supporting Ange’s plan, even when they lose.
Ange specifically said success isn’t a priority. He wants to play ‘the Spurs Way’ which is a sound bite straight from the club. Ange may have success at previous clubs, but this is Tottenham where many winning managers fail. Ange has shown himself now to be the ultimate yes man, relaying quotes given to him by the club. We will win nothing under Ange. I’m sure of it now. Winning trophies is obviously challenging and it needs to be a priority for the manager and the club. It’s not for the club and Ange is in alignment. I’m saddened to see the state of our club now. Honestly, there’s many fans clinging on to hope, but you’ll see in time, sadly.
"As a fellow Aussie" That right there kind of destroys the credibility of your comments. Have you seen the packed out stadium with every one of the most expensive seats in world football occupied by us British Spurs fans? I guess you have but only on TV Do you hear "Ange out" chants on TV when you watch the game? No? why is that? The guy has been backed by everyone, the fans, the board, even Robbie Williams but the problem with your BS "Strategic plan" is that it only works against bottom half teams. The fact of the matter is while Ange is playing snap and patting himself on the back, the adult managers in the PL are playing 3 dimensional chess. Perhaps the board of directors at Spurs should have less corporate type w***ers and more football people instead.
I have been a Spurs supporter for over 50 years. There are two elements to this, the team and the Board. The team has given me great joy many times and frustration also! The Board has always been a disappointment as in that they never chased the League or supported managers when we had a chance of winning it, the early 70's and 80's spring to mind! Even Redknapp was not supported so I am used to being disppointed by the Board! Nothing has changed. COYS!
I’m so confused. I’m watching Wycombe v Villa. It’s 0-0 at half time and Wycombe have been the better team, but Villa weren’t booed off by their fans!??? I can’t understand why the fans aren’t making them feel terrible. I thought that was supposed to help them relax and play better.
Villa put out their second team and are playing well in the League! Spurs' second team isn't good enough or ready to take us anywhere along with the fact that Spurs don't beat the top teams that offen are some of the reasons Spurs won't be successful.
@@MathewBall hang on … If Villa put out a second team that’s ok? But not for spurs? Villa didn’t even put senior players on the bench. To say Villa are “playing well” in the league is debatable too. I would argue that spurs are playing well but hadn’t got the results (after the first 4 games). Villa are scrapping through wins by coming from behind in most matches. Villa last won a trophy in 1996 but used to be one of the big clubs. So on nearly every point of reference, they are worth comparing to spurs. And only nearly every point of reference we have done better in recent memory. The exception being a marginal points difference last year which put them in CL. If we had got 4th then exactly the same people would have complained that CL “isn’t a trophy”. So, I’m not really sure what point you’re trying to make.
I find Ange's belief in what he wants to do and achieve quite refreshing. He has nowhere near the arrogance of Mourinho and Conte and doesn't blame his players when things don't go our way
I do find Ange has a touch of arrogance, stubborness call it what you like, the challenge is can he crack it at this level, Ange will know the challenge by now and we should stay humble we beat Brentford with a very good performance in particular the first half. Our pace and tempo was brilliant and I would love to see more of it. I am still not convinced this football will beat the the best in this league. We have just seen Arsenal park the bus against city we know they take their clean sheets seriously, they take their set pieces seriously and have their own coach, we do none of this. I mention what Arsenal are doing because along with Liverpool they seem to be the challengers to City.
@@TooDarnSoulful Agreed to a degree. There is definitely a touch of arrogance there, but nothing like that of his predecessors. I'm assuming that he believes that while we have the ball, we're in no danger. That's all well and good, but we can't have the ball all the time. While I'm concerned about the set pieces, we have to admit there has been dramatic improvement in that area of late and I also think (might be wrong) that we're somewhere near the top of the league for fewest chances conceded.
@@danielhewson8866 Where I don't agree with so many of our fans saying "'I'm concerned about set pieces BUT there has been improvement" that wishy washy attitude will never challenge the top 3.Pep and Arteta have both let top keepers go for their limitations,Vic is not good enough if you want to challange top 3, shot stopping is not enough. i am not convinced Ange is ruthless enough to win at this level, and move vic on, we shall see.
@@danielhewson8866 Not from early last season - no, we have gone backwards from there to be honest, but hope springs eternal. We started like a rocket and I am not sure it has done Ange a lot of favours. ✌
One of Levy's biggest achievements getting to the CL final, of course it is because he never spent a penny to get there and came away with over £100 million in prize money.
@@DiamondDave492 Better defenders we conceded the most goals last season 61, you could have best defenders in the world still going to concede with this kamazaze system...
I'm lucky enough to have been to five domestic and 1 European final ( return leg). But getting to champions league final is on another level, I went mental when Moura scored the winner against Ajax. I can understand younger fans wanting to win a trophy, perhaps I'm lucky to have been around when we were a cup winning side. But I want different things now, I want sustained performance and a title challenging team. I wish Levy would push the boat out and sign the players the manager wants, to get us back to the promised land. My Dad has seen the Glory and the likelihood is that I will see Woolwich achieve dominance again and not my own team, before I die, and that is heart-breaking.
You're right, Barnaby. To know Ange even before he became Tottenham's manager is to know his style, and it hasn't changed. The platform for playing that style of football just got bigger. I don't think Levy would be telling any coach how to defensively set up the team. If Levy cared about the Tottenham way of football, he probably wouldn't have hired Mourinho and Conte.
I'm glad he said what he said. This means he won't be taking any advices from ANYONE especially those "Levy Out" MFs who believes they know how to run a club. I swear, if Levy EVER fires Ange, I will DEFINITELY be "Levy Out," as it will prove he's listening to these lot.
@@Dropkickurteacher if that logic rings truth, there would've been consequences He listened when he hired Mourinho, he listened when he hired Conte, and after Conte's sacking, he told us he wouldn't do it anymore, as that was a mistake. Now that he has hired Ange, giving him a 5yr contract, something he didn't do with neither Mourinho and Conte, you believe he'll listened to YOU to fire Ange Postecoglou?? You're dreaming. LEVY IN!!!
After Liverpool lost the CL final, what did they do to strengthen their squad? They went out and signed a world class GK and defender to do better next time. After we lost the CL final (which we got to with an enormous amount of luck) which players did Levy buy to strengthen the squad in order to do better next time? Answers on a postcard
Great analysis Barnaby. I don't get why fans are not all on board with winning. Ange won't deviate from his philosophy. However, he will continually tweak his system as players learn to adapt. He came in to this job making it very clear to the board what his plans were. That hasn't changed. The Club is 100% behind him. As for Levy, I am not in or out. I don't really care as long as he doesn't wreck the club.
Son's favourite player, once again implies the importance of Ben to the Club at this time. We can't expect to know the dynamics within the Club, but I guess Ben brings a lot more than the fans give him credit for!
Levy haters will always be Levy haters whatever he does If we win the Europa League, they'll complain that we didn't win the league. That's just the way they are. Levy has made mistakes, but the overall balance has been good
Conte just wasn't right for the Spurs, it was obvious that his heart wasn't in it. But I've been watching him manage Napoli in Serie A and he looks like a new man. I think Ange will take the Spurs far given time.
Conte 1st season was great then 2nd season didn’t get backing, lost 3 close friends and had health issues! Why would you want to work for someone like Levy having to juggle mixing crap players with trying to get top 4 with a manager that is a success everywhere he goes!
I didn't like Mourinho and Conte I thought should have stayed longer. Oh well, we have Ange now and I'm praying he will stay long enough to achieve his goals. Sonny's choice of fav Spurs players must have been a joke! I mean, Ben Davies as opposed to Harry Kane?? Now that would make anyone laugh. I'm going forward with hope in my heart until we lose again. (then probably bitch and complain like everyone else) Daniel Levy was right about all the friendlies and tournaments that PL has to play and it is grueling with many injuries because of it. Hopefully there will be a correction on this at some point until then it is too much, imo. It is an interesting time for Spurs right now and I'm praying for a turnaround with Ange. Gotta stay positive.
The Son stat is surprising to me, as I'm with you that the eye test hasn't made it seem like he's been that productive. But it still worries me a bit as he should be the one finishing chances, as other than Dom we don't have a ton of goal threats in the side. We have creativity in Madders, Kulu and Johnson, so hope to see Son getting on the end of those a bit more.
Pochettino got us to a UCL final on a £30m net spend, not Levy. Also I would not want to play like arsenal- a more technical Stoke so fuck cunte and bourinho
Poch was unbelievable but levy deserves credit for the signings that made that team. Rose, walker under 2/3m each Toby and Jan - 12m each Dele and dier - 5m each Lloris, erikssen were both good value too
Levy and Ange didn't exactly burst into tears when world class Kane left. Levy just wanted the transfer money. Thats all he's interested in..money...not trophys.
Lol absolute bull. He was the one constantly trying to convince kane to stay. There's so many players in the poch era that he refused to sell at their peak as well. Alli, dier, rose, erikssen, Toby, kane all could have been sold for 50m each minimum at the time and had plenty of interest
@@wabisabi3619 Why do you think the reasons for refusing a new contract for? We don't pay top wages...and have no ambition to win trophys...and er lay of the insults!!!
Barnaby you happy clapper and Levy apologist 🤣!!! I agree with you on most of what you say here . We have to remember that Tottenham Hotspur is a plc/Ltd not a FC and has been since 1983 and since 2012 a Ltd , wheather we like it or not . Also agree with you about the concessions . Think the change to younger players is far more down to Lange than Levy as it was his profile at his last club .
This aged well how daft do so many Levy Sympathisers now look in the comments 😂 Our fans never learn they NEVER went learn it’s so embarrassing reading the amount of Fake Positivity comment.
Problem is a rigid manager who believes in two left and two right wings. Our defence constantly exposed as their wingers have freedom in our half as our defenders out of position. Sonny is right, balance is between team strength and individual brilliance. Gazza!! Need a new tactical flexibility based upon who we play. Never again the humiliation of Coventry, 100% Ange fault!
If Conte got a center back I think we would have been challenging for top 3. I would rather win with Ange than Conte but I think Conte could have won something if he stayed and had the money Ange has gotten
Quite ironic in what you say cos we were signing better players when we were training at the lodge and playing at whl. VDV Defoe modric bale ginola klinsmenn I can go on. We need to stop apologizing for levy
What's the use of playing 'attacking' football if you're not climbing up the league table as opposed to 'boring' football? Spurs is just like the old Newacstle under Mike Ashley.
Yes Tottenham was great in the 80s now is a different game. If we done defend we will win nothing. PS if we keep playing like we do we won’t win a cup and we’ll come 9 or 10th in the league.
Daniel Levy's grip on Tottenham Hotspur remains ironclad. Will we witness a trophy parade under his stewardship by 2044? It seems highly improbable. For Levy, Champions League qualification reigns supreme, overshadowing the pursuit of silverware. His business acumen is clear: maximize profits for ENIC & Co. Every penny is extracted from the club, and he understands that as long as he continues to dangle enticing promises before the fans, they'll remain placated. Will Ange Postecoglou survive another season without a top-four finish? It will be fascinating to observe. Ultimately, Levy's priority is profit. A two-year absence from the Champions League translates to a significant revenue shortfall. He's a businessman first, a fan second.
The club was absolutely screwed in rhe early 90s. Scholar was running the club in to the ground. Sugar stabalised but didnt have the vision to run the club long term. ENIC did. I would rather ENIC than QATAR or SAUDI. I would rather ENIC than Kronke or Musk or Bezos. Heaven forbid we get a Moshiri?
Honestly, too much whinging. I’m an Aussie and also follow NRL, my ten are wests tigers. If you think levy is bad you’ve no idea how bad things can get. Tigers have been run into the ground for over a decade by an idiotic board/ceo. Currently hold the record for longest period not making the finals. Believe me, spurs are run pretty well. Levy might drive fans nuts… but it can get a lot worse. Be happy that the club is on the up. Get behind the team and the manager. Stop finding things to be negative about.
Ange has had his honeymoon TEN GAMES, since then his system is MID TABLE results.Are you happy with that?The depth/recruitment is poor, so playing an all attack might look pretty when theres no injuries but reality is a bitch.Lets see what the situation is come new year.
All barneby did was make excuses for levy in this video😂 " my greatest night was when we scored the winning goal against ajax". But never won the damnnn thing😅. Vibes over glory for barn😊
Levy is a smart businessman, he understands that keeping the carrot dangling in front of the donkey will keep the donkey walking forward no questions asked. If you feed the donkey he will only feel satisfied temporarily and then ask for more. This is not a desirable business model. Tottenham fans are a cash cow to him and his benefactors, nothing more. Spurs winning the league cup in '08 was an unexpected accident I would imagine, not part of the plan. Why would you sack your manager 5 days out from a CL final? Only if you are orchestrating a defeat. Sad situation. Can Ange fight the power? He is smart enough to do it without criticising the corporation in the process. Time will tell, fingers x'ed.
Anyone who thinks Ange is only playing this way because he's been told to are not just fools but so foolish they should not be making comment. You know the saying about opening your mouth and proving you're a fool? That one. It's mind numbingly stupid that they take comments like that so literally. What happened to critical thinking in the world? It's really quite simple - Ange has ALWAYS played this way. and every step of the way was told he was naive, until he wasn't. Every step of the way told "this step is too big, this isn't Australia, this isn't Japan, this isn't Scotland". Yes, it's the biggest step, but to assume it won't work instead of actually giving it a go is so crazy, especially for Spurs. Ange can make teams punch above their weight. Yes, that will come with a few knockouts along the way, it might not work - but that's the case with EVERY manager. Conte and Mourinho both previous EPL winners, couldn't do it. Barely tried and just whinged. Ange is rolling up his sleeves and having a go. If anyone can bring success with a squad that will always be no better than the 5th-7th best in the league, it's Ange. Every other manager will be dour and unsuccessful, and/or just complain. Imagine Harry Kane in that team last season. This season. Conte and Mourinho had that. What if they didn't? Goodness me. The performances have been good this season, unlike last. People saying there is no progress are dreaming. People complaining about the Arsenal game are dreaming! They are the clear 2nd best team in the league, and very good defensively. It was tough and showed improvement needed in the forward 3rd only because there was dominance in the other areas. Arsenal barely created a decent chance, yet people were crying saying they "cut us open". I wonder if they watch the games or just look at the results and commentate. Ange already proved including at the end of last season his teams can go toe to toe with the best. He doesn't create teams to be good enough to beat Leicester and Forrest, he creates teams that can beat City and Madrid. That is where he is trying to get to. I am sure he feels if and when he does that, they should also be good enough to take care of the lesser teams parking the bus. That is the goal.
Nonsense, this whole we just can't buy the top quality players is crap! Other teams pull that off. Buying top quality experienced ready-made players does and can work Spurs are just determined to spend as little as possible while only signing unproven, unexperienced young players. You can't win major trophies with an average youth team! There is a chance Spurs could win a League Cup here and there. Portsmouth and Wigan managed to win trophies so Spurs could win the odd one here and there. As long as you're happy with just attractive football and a couple of either League Cup or F.A. Cup's, I'm in no doubt half our fan base. Would be happy with that or just attractive football!
Say Levy and I think of loyal lifelong supporters who are now pensioners who possibly spend more than they should to still follow Spurs. Levy? No thanks
Regarding Ange, pragmatism and defense - the comparisons to Nuno, Jose, Conte are a bit of a false dichotomy. What about comparing to 2016/17 under Poch And Toby, Jan, Danny and Kyle? We finished 2nd in the league with 86 points, had the best goal differential in the league, 8 better than Chelsea under Conte, scoring one more goal than them. And we conceded the fewest goals - 26 - of any team, 7 fewer than Chelsea. I don’t recall that season as “boring” by any stretch of the imagination. Quite the opposite - Harry was scoring for fun, 29 league goals, 35 all competitions. The point being that we have a recent example of attacking football that was also exceptionally sound defensively, showing that the two are not mutually exclusive. I would have asked Ange to compare and contrast his style/tactics/philosophy with Poch’s, and specifically the 2016/17 team.
Afraid RUclips is a search engine mate. Titling has to work to attract a viewer, then hope that your content is strong enough to keep them. Cheers for watching
Took the piss for too long you cannot ask the fans for patients they haven’t got any. Every important match we lose the club get 16 years of frustration. Are you telling me Merino Conte Potty are all rubbish or could it be something else ? Football is the last concern they put profit above everything from every division Beyoncé gocarts american football and lastly our football club. We can’t compete with Arsenal. The common denominator is Levy Spurs is a football club 1st and last remember the garbage is we do Beyoncé we will buy better players ? More games then buy more players
"Let me know if you think differently" Your words, now lets see if this gets deleted. Barnaby you are talking like you have been Levy'd You have no idea what Spurs fans want and you certainly do not speak for the fans. Spurs fans (and I mean proper Spurs fans that have supported the club for more than 5 minutes and have witnessed with our own eyes Spurs players lifting trophies) want to see us lift silverware again first a foremost. Proper Spurs fans did not want one of the greatest managers in history to be sacked a few days before a cup final. Tell me if I'm wrong. Proper Spurs fans did not want another great manager sacked because he took us from 14th to 4th and then the following year get sacked while in 4th place. Tell me if I'm wrong Proper Spurs fans did not want our manager to ignore Eze and instead sign Werner TWICE. Again tel me if I'm wrong. Proper Spurs fans do not want to lose to Arsenal AT HOME 3 years running and be beaten at home in our 5 yr old stadium more than we have won in their 20+ yr old stadium. Another example of thinking differently is reminding you how the younger generation think an idea is new just because they haven't seen it before themselves. Ardiles tried the "outscore the opposition" approach. You might be way too young to remember so ask your dad, how did that work out? and he had Klinsmann, the deadliest striker on the planet. This is the strategy of a child. You have no idea what the owners want if you think that they really care what style of football we play. All they care about is taking the heat off Levy, expanding their property portfolio and keeping the money rolling in and anyone who can't see this is an idiot, sorry. "Forum" definition. A meeting where ideas and views of a particular issue can be exchanged. Read that, read it again and tell me if this is what happened that night. Explain to us if vetting the attendees, and cherrypicking the questions (with follow up questions banned) is anything other than a total disgrace.
Usaual lack of accountability. Spurs will never win anything while Daniel Levy is chairman.15 years ago I said the same thing.Stop making excuses for him.
Come on, Barnaby, knock it off! What good are u if I have to agree w/everything you say in a stream? Time to get back to that Caraboa Cup. We are so lucky to have an owner determined to keep our club safe. Levy in! And yeah, Barnaby, I go back & watch that last game against Ajax & it still makes me tear up. For me yes, greatest achievement.
Attract top players what are you smoking??? Linked with eze neto Toney Nico Williams Gallagher were sign oderbert gray solanke kid in Japan We're a joke shit window...
Fans forum says it all hand picked audience absoulute rubbish ..levy come out meet the real fans no chance why? because hes a coward and Ange is a yes man
France dropped a domestic cup few years ago. It’s down to England in top tier and Portugal next level with two domestic cups. Gains by france for dropping a domestic cup really went unnoticeable. Though taking account for lost revenue from losing a massive broadcast deal would have just glanced over the dropping of a cup tournament. Could it be the same in England. I believe , to Levy dismay, allowing for larger domestic roster can avoid the French decision. Lastly Barnaby don’t forget Tanguy has the most pitch minutes for field players at Nizzi.
Don't agree with you Barnaby. Ange's honeymoon period ended 10 games into last season. He is too dogmatic and stubborn with his Gung - Ho attitude. He has to give consideration to the defensive side of the game because it is necessary. I'm not talking about abandoning an attacking philosophy; but I an saying don't leave dirty great gaps in behind where you are giving your opponents a free hit. Ange is being naive and stupid. It seems to me that Daniel Levy wants Spurs to be a middle of the road team as long as he gets his financial goals met. Playing attractive football only gets you so far. In the end. It has to come with results or you are going to lose your best players and as a consequence the product you are selling will diminish. I cant see prospective minor investor's buying into that scenario at all. Ange is just a Levy puppet, and he is just very lucky that Brentford had half their team missing last week-end. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt against Brentford, in that he was seeing the necessity to be a little more pragmatic, and I am just sick of him being interpreted as if he is the Messiah, instead of just listening to the words he is saying. He is not going to change and is just using this, his retirement gig, to make himself the target and is giving Levy a free ride. COYS.
You have no idea…. Angeball is just getting started. You my friend are naive. You just don’t understand him. You will see. Too many spurs fans are impatient… it’s pathetic!
@@RYANLAIDLAW-n4n - Good for you buddy. Ange is so inconsistent with his messaging, and he leaves it to his followers to interpret his messages. I just listen to what he says, and it is a load of scrambled mixed messages.
Just a bloke?! You forget about what he's done to the locals, poorer fans, senior fans.and his furlough claim??? Shame on you Barnaby, grow some morals ffs. UNSUBSCRIBE
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As an outside observer (having only taken an interest in Spurs because Ange is there) it appears to me that the toxic and vocal minority of Spurs fans, psychologically damaged by Spurs’ history, and sporting nervous tics and hand wringing, are simply unable to deal with reality. Things take time. Players aren’t always perfect. Support them. Support the club. Get real!
I wonder how many of these "so called" Spurs fans bagging out DL / AP are actually Spurs fans.. maybe short memories, Arsenal fans in disguise, bots, 14 y/o Liverpool keyboard worriers. I'd take ENIC over Sugar any day. AP over Mourinho (and many other managers in the past, Potch / Rednapp being the exceptions). All the stats are looking very good in AP's second year. I have a lot of Arsenal fans and they were hurting in the 3 years of 8, 8, 5 (Three years!!). Watch the press turn when Spurs string 3 or 4 wins together..
@@tonybeeston4734 "The complaining Spurs fans are Arsenal fans in disguise" What a low blow, love it!
You are 100% spot on
25 years 😂 but still takes time😅
@@tonybeeston4734 the press 'turning' is their prerogative, it changes with form. As do the fans, Johnson has been awful form wise until the last game and the fans should be alble to comment, if and when he has a good run they comment accordingly. It seems half the spurs fan base want ONLY good things said after poor games. That is NOT realistic !
1,000% spot on, Barnaby!
I have written many Strategic Plans in my corporate life, where the question that must be addressed is, “How do we succeed when there are so many competitors, some of which have much better resources?”
The same question applies in sport and Ange understands he needs to bring something different to the table and that he must execute the plan at the highest level to be successful.
I believe Ange is open to being more flexible, but only once the team can execute is plan consistently at the highest level. Until then, he MUST be dogged in driving home the dogma he believes is the path with the best probability of success.
As a fellow Aussie, can I just add that we are actually okay with losing, as long as we dedicated everything single ounce of our being to winning. And that dedication starts in our belief that we will win. Spurs British fans seem to culturally struggle with that belief. Yet belief is the precursor to playing with the confidence to win against anyone who stands between you and your road to success. Ange is instilling belief in the players. Spurs fans can help instil belief in the players too by supporting Ange’s plan, even when they lose.
Ange specifically said success isn’t a priority. He wants to play ‘the Spurs Way’ which is a sound bite straight from the club. Ange may have success at previous clubs, but this is Tottenham where many winning managers fail. Ange has shown himself now to be the ultimate yes man, relaying quotes given to him by the club. We will win nothing under Ange. I’m sure of it now. Winning trophies is obviously challenging and it needs to be a priority for the manager and the club. It’s not for the club and Ange is in alignment. I’m saddened to see the state of our club now. Honestly, there’s many fans clinging on to hope, but you’ll see in time, sadly.
@@richardjames123 Short-term success isn't a priority, improvement is a priority both short-term and long-term.
@@markwalton3367 Are you saying we have to wait ANOTHER quarter of a century?
"As a fellow Aussie" That right there kind of destroys the credibility of your comments.
Have you seen the packed out stadium with every one of the most expensive seats in world football occupied by us British Spurs fans? I guess you have but only on TV
Do you hear "Ange out" chants on TV when you watch the game? No? why is that?
The guy has been backed by everyone, the fans, the board, even Robbie Williams but the problem with your BS "Strategic plan" is that it only works against bottom half teams.
The fact of the matter is while Ange is playing snap and patting himself on the back, the adult managers in the PL are playing 3 dimensional chess.
Perhaps the board of directors at Spurs should have less corporate type w***ers and more football people instead.
@@richardjames123 Calling Ange a yes man is hysterical.
I have been a Spurs supporter for over 50 years. There are two elements to this, the team and the Board. The team has given me great joy many times and frustration also! The Board has always been a disappointment as in that they never chased the League or supported managers when we had a chance of winning it, the early 70's and 80's spring to mind! Even Redknapp was not supported so I am used to being disppointed by the Board! Nothing has changed. COYS!
Have you protested then or just moaned?
@ stating facts to help those who think they can change things by protesting!
I’m so confused. I’m watching Wycombe v Villa. It’s 0-0 at half time and Wycombe have been the better team, but Villa weren’t booed off by their fans!??? I can’t understand why the fans aren’t making them feel terrible. I thought that was supposed to help them relax and play better.
Because they don't feel entitled like Spurs fan
Did Villa have 0 shots in the first half too?
@callmedo No Spurs fans aren't entitled in any way! For a club our size, we need to be challenging and winning trophies, and we're not!
Villa put out their second team and are playing well in the League! Spurs' second team isn't good enough or ready to take us anywhere along with the fact that Spurs don't beat the top teams that offen are some of the reasons Spurs won't be successful.
@@MathewBall hang on … If Villa put out a second team that’s ok? But not for spurs? Villa didn’t even put senior players on the bench.
To say Villa are “playing well” in the league is debatable too. I would argue that spurs are playing well but hadn’t got the results (after the first 4 games). Villa are scrapping through wins by coming from behind in most matches.
Villa last won a trophy in 1996 but used to be one of the big clubs. So on nearly every point of reference, they are worth comparing to spurs. And only nearly every point of reference we have done better in recent memory. The exception being a marginal points difference last year which put them in CL. If we had got 4th then exactly the same people would have complained that CL “isn’t a trophy”.
So, I’m not really sure what point you’re trying to make.
It never ceases to amaze me the things that people manage to get upset about. 🤦🏼♂️
the whole world is based on grievance, real or perceived :-(
@@Cecil-yc6mc 💯 ... although I think we can agree it is mostly perceived!
Very sensible thoughts once again Barnaby. COYS
I find Ange's belief in what he wants to do and achieve quite refreshing. He has nowhere near the arrogance of Mourinho and Conte and doesn't blame his players when things don't go our way
I do find Ange has a touch of arrogance, stubborness call it what you like, the challenge is can he crack it at this level, Ange will know the challenge by now and we should stay humble we beat Brentford with a very good performance in particular the first half. Our pace and tempo was brilliant and I would love to see more of it. I am still not convinced this football will beat the the best in this league. We have just seen Arsenal park the bus against city we know they take their clean sheets seriously, they take their set pieces seriously and have their own coach, we do none of this. I mention what Arsenal are doing because along with Liverpool they seem to be the challengers to City.
@@TooDarnSoulful Agreed to a degree. There is definitely a touch of arrogance there, but nothing like that of his predecessors. I'm assuming that he believes that while we have the ball, we're in no danger. That's all well and good, but we can't have the ball all the time. While I'm concerned about the set pieces, we have to admit there has been dramatic improvement in that area of late and I also think (might be wrong) that we're somewhere near the top of the league for fewest chances conceded.
@@danielhewson8866 Where I don't agree with so many of our fans saying "'I'm concerned about set pieces BUT there has been improvement" that wishy washy attitude will never challenge the top 3.Pep and Arteta have both let top keepers go for their limitations,Vic is not good enough if you want to challange top 3, shot stopping is not enough. i am not convinced Ange is ruthless enough to win at this level, and move vic on, we shall see.
@@TooDarnSoulful fair comment. But do you see progress?
@@danielhewson8866 Not from early last season - no, we have gone backwards from there to be honest, but hope springs eternal. We started like a rocket and I am not sure it has done Ange a lot of favours. ✌
One of Levy's biggest achievements getting to the CL final, of course it is because he never spent a penny to get there and came away with over £100 million in prize money.
Ardiles tried to do this by doing exactly this ... And we started losing games 4 - 3 . Score a lot but let in more...
I think we have better defenders than Ossie, Nethercott etc 😂
@@DiamondDave492
Better defenders we conceded the most goals last season 61, you could have best defenders in the world still going to concede with this kamazaze system...
@@Michael-fy6ux That was last season, time to move on.
@@Michael-fy6uxwith Tottenham starting back five Tottenham were fourth best defensively in the epl last year 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 bro do your research
@@deandrury4330
"With Tottenham starting back five"
We play with 4 not 5 don't even know
How many men we have in defense
And I ain't your bro...
I'm lucky enough to have been to five domestic and 1 European final ( return leg). But getting to champions league final is on another level, I went mental when Moura scored the winner against Ajax. I can understand younger fans wanting to win a trophy, perhaps I'm lucky to have been around when we were a cup winning side. But I want different things now, I want sustained performance and a title challenging team. I wish Levy would push the boat out and sign the players the manager wants, to get us back to the promised land. My Dad has seen the Glory and the likelihood is that I will see Woolwich achieve dominance again and not my own team, before I die, and that is heart-breaking.
You're right, Barnaby. To know Ange even before he became Tottenham's manager is to know his style, and it hasn't changed. The platform for playing that style of football just got bigger.
I don't think Levy would be telling any coach how to defensively set up the team.
If Levy cared about the Tottenham way of football, he probably wouldn't have hired Mourinho and Conte.
Thanks, Barmaby. A lot of sense again. Some fans just want an opportinity to slag Levy off
The club is heading in the right way in many aspects especially developing players.
I'm glad he said what he said. This means he won't be taking any advices from ANYONE especially those "Levy Out" MFs who believes they know how to run a club. I swear, if Levy EVER fires Ange, I will DEFINITELY be "Levy Out," as it will prove he's listening to these lot.
People like you are apart of the issue. Ignoring fans is how you destroy a club
@@Dropkickurteacher if that logic rings truth, there would've been consequences
He listened when he hired Mourinho, he listened when he hired Conte, and after Conte's sacking, he told us he wouldn't do it anymore, as that was a mistake. Now that he has hired Ange, giving him a 5yr contract, something he didn't do with neither Mourinho and Conte, you believe he'll listened to YOU to fire Ange Postecoglou?? You're dreaming. LEVY IN!!!
@@DropkickurteacherNo, it's about ignoring idiots that wants our manager to play like Ten Hag
@@Dropkickurteacher lol
After Liverpool lost the CL final, what did they do to strengthen their squad? They went out and signed a world class GK and defender to do better next time.
After we lost the CL final (which we got to with an enormous amount of luck) which players did Levy buy to strengthen the squad in order to do better next time?
Answers on a postcard
Great analysis Barnaby. I don't get why fans are not all on board with winning. Ange won't deviate from his philosophy. However, he will continually tweak his system as players learn to adapt. He came in to this job making it very clear to the board what his plans were. That hasn't changed. The Club is 100% behind him. As for Levy, I am not in or out. I don't really care as long as he doesn't wreck the club.
Son's favourite player, once again implies the importance of Ben to the Club at this time. We can't expect to know the dynamics within the Club, but I guess Ben brings a lot more than the fans give him credit for!
if we don't start winning something now, we can forget these youngsters going to stay when current 4-5 years contracts ends.
Levy haters will always be Levy haters whatever he does If we win the Europa League, they'll complain that we didn't win the league. That's just the way they are. Levy has made mistakes, but the overall balance has been good
Nonsense we won’t win anything
Conte just wasn't right for the Spurs, it was obvious that his heart wasn't in it. But I've been watching him manage Napoli in Serie A and he looks like a new man. I think Ange will take the Spurs far given time.
Conte 1st season was great then 2nd season didn’t get backing, lost 3 close friends and had health issues! Why would you want to work for someone like Levy having to juggle mixing crap players with trying to get top 4 with a manager that is a success everywhere he goes!
I never wanted him anyway so.....
I didn't like Mourinho and Conte I thought should have stayed longer. Oh well, we have Ange now and I'm praying he will stay long enough to achieve his goals. Sonny's choice of fav Spurs players must have been a joke! I mean, Ben Davies as opposed to Harry Kane?? Now that would make anyone laugh. I'm going forward with hope in my heart until we lose again. (then probably bitch and complain like everyone else) Daniel Levy was right about all the friendlies and tournaments that PL has to play and it is grueling with many injuries because of it. Hopefully there will be a correction on this at some point until then it is too much, imo. It is an interesting time for Spurs right now and I'm praying for a turnaround with Ange. Gotta stay positive.
The Son stat is surprising to me, as I'm with you that the eye test hasn't made it seem like he's been that productive. But it still worries me a bit as he should be the one finishing chances, as other than Dom we don't have a ton of goal threats in the side. We have creativity in Madders, Kulu and Johnson, so hope to see Son getting on the end of those a bit more.
rumour has it Daniel Levy has Barnaby tatooed on his back
Pochettino got us to a UCL final on a £30m net spend, not Levy. Also I would not want to play like arsenal- a more technical Stoke so fuck cunte and bourinho
Poch was unbelievable but levy deserves credit for the signings that made that team.
Rose, walker under 2/3m each
Toby and Jan - 12m each
Dele and dier - 5m each
Lloris, erikssen were both good value too
Oh and dembele was like 12m too
Levy and Ange didn't exactly burst into tears when world class Kane left. Levy just wanted the transfer money. Thats all he's interested in..money...not trophys.
Lol absolute bull. He was the one constantly trying to convince kane to stay. There's so many players in the poch era that he refused to sell at their peak as well. Alli, dier, rose, erikssen, Toby, kane all could have been sold for 50m each minimum at the time and had plenty of interest
Kane refused a new contract, wanted to leave. Should the club have let him become a free agent or make $100 million?
Use your brain.
@@wabisabi3619 Why do you think the reasons for refusing a new contract for? We don't pay top wages...and have no ambition to win trophys...and er lay of the insults!!!
Levy didnt want Kane to leave, but some people have an agenda to drive
Arteta finished 8th first 2 seasons and look at them now. To Dare is to Do, in Ange we trust. COYS
Barnaby you happy clapper and Levy apologist 🤣!!!
I agree with you on most of what you say here .
We have to remember that Tottenham Hotspur is a plc/Ltd not a FC and has been since 1983 and since 2012 a Ltd , wheather we like it or not .
Also agree with you about the concessions .
Think the change to younger players is far more down to Lange than Levy as it was his profile at his last club .
Comparing a champions final (a competition with the greatest teams in Europe) to a league cup with English B teams is baffling
Number one comment! Levy is a clown regards the pitch business
This aged well how daft do so many Levy Sympathisers now look in the comments 😂
Our fans never learn they NEVER went learn it’s so embarrassing reading the amount of Fake Positivity comment.
Ange says he is aligned with the 'Spurs' way of playing, so its not being pushed on him
How many fans did levy ask about buying youngsters instead of proven players 🤔
FFS, it's the other way around. Ange was the one saying this is the order he wants to do it in.
Problem is a rigid manager who believes in two left and two right wings. Our defence constantly exposed as their wingers have freedom in our half as our defenders out of position. Sonny is right, balance is between team strength and individual brilliance. Gazza!! Need a new tactical flexibility based upon who we play.
Never again the humiliation of Coventry, 100% Ange fault!
If Conte got a center back I think we would have been challenging for top 3. I would rather win with Ange than Conte but I think Conte could have won something if he stayed and had the money Ange has gotten
Quite ironic in what you say cos we were signing better players when we were training at the lodge and playing at whl. VDV Defoe modric bale ginola klinsmenn I can go on. We need to stop apologizing for levy
your bang right barny
What's the use of playing 'attacking' football if you're not climbing up the league table as opposed to 'boring' football? Spurs is just like the old Newacstle under Mike Ashley.
Yes Tottenham was great in the 80s now is a different game. If we done defend we will win nothing. PS if we keep playing like we do we won’t win a cup and we’ll come 9 or 10th in the league.
Daniel Levy's grip on Tottenham Hotspur remains ironclad. Will we witness a trophy parade under his stewardship by 2044? It seems highly improbable. For Levy, Champions League qualification reigns supreme, overshadowing the pursuit of silverware. His business acumen is clear: maximize profits for ENIC & Co. Every penny is extracted from the club, and he understands that as long as he continues to dangle enticing promises before the fans, they'll remain placated.
Will Ange Postecoglou survive another season without a top-four finish? It will be fascinating to observe. Ultimately, Levy's priority is profit. A two-year absence from the Champions League translates to a significant revenue shortfall. He's a businessman first, a fan second.
Bet levy wouldn't invite sav
The club was absolutely screwed in rhe early 90s. Scholar was running the club in to the ground. Sugar stabalised but didnt have the vision to run the club long term. ENIC did. I would rather ENIC than QATAR or SAUDI. I would rather ENIC than Kronke or Musk or Bezos. Heaven forbid we get a Moshiri?
Honestly, too much whinging. I’m an Aussie and also follow NRL, my ten are wests tigers. If you think levy is bad you’ve no idea how bad things can get. Tigers have been run into the ground for over a decade by an idiotic board/ceo. Currently hold the record for longest period not making the finals.
Believe me, spurs are run pretty well. Levy might drive fans nuts… but it can get a lot worse.
Be happy that the club is on the up. Get behind the team and the manager. Stop finding things to be negative about.
Ange has had his honeymoon TEN GAMES, since then his system is MID TABLE results.Are you happy with that?The depth/recruitment is poor, so playing an all attack might look pretty when theres no injuries but reality is a bitch.Lets see what the situation is come new year.
You win a football match by shooting at the opponents goal. Endless passing sideways and backwards is not going to win a game of football.
All barneby did was make excuses for levy in this video😂 " my greatest night was when we scored the winning goal against ajax". But never won the damnnn thing😅. Vibes over glory for barn😊
Levy is a smart businessman, he understands that keeping the carrot dangling in front of the donkey will keep the donkey walking forward no questions asked. If you feed the donkey he will only feel satisfied temporarily and then ask for more. This is not a desirable business model. Tottenham fans are a cash cow to him and his benefactors, nothing more. Spurs winning the league cup in '08 was an unexpected accident I would imagine, not part of the plan. Why would you sack your manager 5 days out from a CL final? Only if you are orchestrating a defeat. Sad situation. Can Ange fight the power? He is smart enough to do it without criticising the corporation in the process. Time will tell, fingers x'ed.
Oh Dear, it seems that it is whine time from Barnaby again! Ange In COYS.......Ain't Spurs Fab.
Levy is shit...we will win nothing under that guy...😢😢
It won't come good grief levy has mo intention of doing what you think he will 😄
Anyone who thinks Ange is only playing this way because he's been told to are not just fools but so foolish they should not be making comment. You know the saying about opening your mouth and proving you're a fool? That one. It's mind numbingly stupid that they take comments like that so literally. What happened to critical thinking in the world? It's really quite simple - Ange has ALWAYS played this way. and every step of the way was told he was naive, until he wasn't. Every step of the way told "this step is too big, this isn't Australia, this isn't Japan, this isn't Scotland". Yes, it's the biggest step, but to assume it won't work instead of actually giving it a go is so crazy, especially for Spurs. Ange can make teams punch above their weight. Yes, that will come with a few knockouts along the way, it might not work - but that's the case with EVERY manager. Conte and Mourinho both previous EPL winners, couldn't do it. Barely tried and just whinged. Ange is rolling up his sleeves and having a go. If anyone can bring success with a squad that will always be no better than the 5th-7th best in the league, it's Ange. Every other manager will be dour and unsuccessful, and/or just complain. Imagine Harry Kane in that team last season. This season. Conte and Mourinho had that. What if they didn't? Goodness me.
The performances have been good this season, unlike last. People saying there is no progress are dreaming. People complaining about the Arsenal game are dreaming! They are the clear 2nd best team in the league, and very good defensively. It was tough and showed improvement needed in the forward 3rd only because there was dominance in the other areas. Arsenal barely created a decent chance, yet people were crying saying they "cut us open". I wonder if they watch the games or just look at the results and commentate. Ange already proved including at the end of last season his teams can go toe to toe with the best. He doesn't create teams to be good enough to beat Leicester and Forrest, he creates teams that can beat City and Madrid. That is where he is trying to get to. I am sure he feels if and when he does that, they should also be good enough to take care of the lesser teams parking the bus. That is the goal.
Nonsense, this whole we just can't buy the top quality players is crap! Other teams pull that off. Buying top quality experienced ready-made players does and can work Spurs are just determined to spend as little as possible while only signing unproven, unexperienced young players. You can't win major trophies with an average youth team! There is a chance Spurs could win a League Cup here and there. Portsmouth and Wigan managed to win trophies so Spurs could win the odd one here and there. As long as you're happy with just attractive football and a couple of either League Cup or F.A. Cup's, I'm in no doubt half our fan base. Would be happy with that or just attractive football!
Say Levy and I think of loyal lifelong supporters who are now pensioners who possibly spend more than they should to still follow Spurs. Levy? No thanks
Spurs fans remind me of husbands who challenge their wives to leave them, then they do and are horrified 😅
Regarding Ange, pragmatism and defense - the comparisons to Nuno, Jose, Conte are a bit of a false dichotomy.
What about comparing to 2016/17 under Poch And Toby, Jan, Danny and Kyle?
We finished 2nd in the league with 86 points, had the best goal differential in the league, 8 better than Chelsea under Conte, scoring one more goal than them.
And we conceded the fewest goals - 26 - of any team, 7 fewer than Chelsea.
I don’t recall that season as “boring” by any stretch of the imagination. Quite the opposite - Harry was scoring for fun, 29 league goals, 35 all competitions.
The point being that we have a recent example of attacking football that was also exceptionally sound defensively, showing that the two are not mutually exclusive.
I would have asked Ange to compare and contrast his style/tactics/philosophy with Poch’s, and specifically the 2016/17 team.
Bit of a click bait video title.
Afraid RUclips is a search engine mate. Titling has to work to attract a viewer, then hope that your content is strong enough to keep them. Cheers for watching
Levy's comment goes to show that he has no ambition for success in winning silverware.
Took the piss for too long you cannot ask the fans for patients they haven’t got any. Every important match we lose the club get 16 years of frustration. Are you telling me Merino Conte Potty are all rubbish or could it be something else ? Football is the last concern they put profit above everything from every division Beyoncé gocarts american football and lastly our football club. We can’t compete with Arsenal. The common denominator is Levy Spurs is a football club 1st and last remember the garbage is we do Beyoncé we will buy better players ? More games then buy more players
"Let me know if you think differently" Your words, now lets see if this gets deleted.
Barnaby you are talking like you have been Levy'd
You have no idea what Spurs fans want and you certainly do not speak for the fans.
Spurs fans (and I mean proper Spurs fans that have supported the club for more than 5 minutes and have witnessed with our own eyes Spurs players lifting trophies) want to see us lift silverware again first a foremost.
Proper Spurs fans did not want one of the greatest managers in history to be sacked a few days before a cup final. Tell me if I'm wrong.
Proper Spurs fans did not want another great manager sacked because he took us from 14th to 4th and then the following year get sacked while in 4th place. Tell me if I'm wrong
Proper Spurs fans did not want our manager to ignore Eze and instead sign Werner TWICE. Again tel me if I'm wrong.
Proper Spurs fans do not want to lose to Arsenal AT HOME 3 years running and be beaten at home in our 5 yr old stadium more than we have won in their 20+ yr old stadium.
Another example of thinking differently is reminding you how the younger generation think an idea is new just because they haven't seen it before themselves.
Ardiles tried the "outscore the opposition" approach. You might be way too young to remember so ask your dad, how did that work out? and he had Klinsmann, the deadliest striker on the planet.
This is the strategy of a child.
You have no idea what the owners want if you think that they really care what style of football we play.
All they care about is taking the heat off Levy, expanding their property portfolio and keeping the money rolling in and anyone who can't see this is an idiot, sorry.
"Forum" definition. A meeting where ideas and views of a particular issue can be exchanged.
Read that, read it again and tell me if this is what happened that night.
Explain to us if vetting the attendees, and cherrypicking the questions (with follow up questions banned) is anything other than a total disgrace.
When do you get your brown envelope from Danny boy
Spurs fans are always upset😆😆...just take a chill pill..and enjoy your club
its only football....dont act like fanatic religious people....COYS
Usaual lack of accountability. Spurs will never win anything while Daniel Levy is chairman.15 years ago I said the same thing.Stop making excuses for him.
Why display the cheat ‘hand of God’ and not a Spurs legend?
Grew up in the 80s? Are you over 40?
Come on, Barnaby, knock it off! What good are u if I have to agree w/everything you say in a stream? Time to get back to that Caraboa Cup. We are so lucky to have an owner determined to keep our club safe. Levy in! And yeah, Barnaby, I go back & watch that last game against Ajax & it still makes me tear up. For me yes, greatest achievement.
Attract top players what are you smoking??? Linked with eze neto Toney
Nico Williams Gallagher were sign oderbert gray solanke kid in Japan
We're a joke shit window...
No other PL club was able to get eze and nobody seemed to want Toney
Fans forum says it all hand picked audience absoulute rubbish ..levy come out meet the real fans no chance why? because hes a coward and Ange is a yes man
France dropped a domestic cup few years ago. It’s down to England in top tier and Portugal next level with two domestic cups. Gains by france for dropping a domestic cup really went unnoticeable. Though taking account for lost revenue from losing a massive broadcast deal would have just glanced over the dropping of a cup tournament. Could it be the same in England. I believe , to Levy dismay, allowing for larger domestic roster can avoid the French decision.
Lastly Barnaby don’t forget Tanguy has the most pitch minutes for field players at Nizzi.
Farcical white wash 0 challenging questions
Don't agree with you Barnaby. Ange's honeymoon period ended 10 games into last season.
He is too dogmatic and stubborn with his Gung - Ho attitude. He has to give consideration to the defensive side of the game because it is necessary.
I'm not talking about abandoning an attacking philosophy; but I an saying don't leave dirty great gaps in behind where you are giving your opponents a free hit.
Ange is being naive and stupid.
It seems to me that Daniel Levy wants Spurs to be a middle of the road team as long as he gets his financial goals met. Playing attractive football only gets you so far. In the end. It has to come with results or you are going to lose your best players and as a consequence the product you are selling will diminish. I cant see prospective minor investor's buying into that scenario at all.
Ange is just a Levy puppet, and he is just very lucky that Brentford had half their team missing last week-end.
I was giving him the benefit of the doubt against Brentford, in that he was seeing the necessity to be a little more pragmatic, and I am just sick of him being interpreted as if he is the Messiah, instead of just listening to the words he is saying.
He is not going to change and is just using this, his retirement gig, to make himself the target and is giving Levy a free ride. COYS.
You have no idea…. Angeball is just getting started. You my friend are naive. You just don’t understand him. You will see. Too many spurs fans are impatient… it’s pathetic!
So pathetic…
Spurs needs to spend more money getting *supporters* rather than _fans_ or paying for group psychological therapy for most of you
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@@RYANLAIDLAW-n4n - Good for you buddy. Ange is so inconsistent with his messaging, and he leaves it to his followers to interpret his messages. I just listen to what he says, and it is a load of scrambled mixed messages.
You know what’s refreshing to me? Winning trophies. Ange is not winning squat.
Just a bloke?! You forget about what he's done to the locals, poorer fans, senior fans.and his furlough claim??? Shame on you Barnaby, grow some morals ffs. UNSUBSCRIBE
Levy didnt really answer anything yet again. He deflected once again.
Levy is Cabal
Barnaby, I used to love listening. But this sack Ange/ Levy out stuff isn’t the way I like to support the club. Good luck to you.
He specifically said that he thinks Ange is the right fit for the club and that he doesn't care about the personalities in the boardroom.