5 Failed Train Modifications | History in the Dark

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  • @kiefershanks4172
    @kiefershanks4172 Год назад +18

    Ah paper, the perfect material for outdoor, high stress mechanical parts.

  • @chrislaarman7532
    @chrislaarman7532 Год назад +6

    About paper wheels and rubber tyres:
    In my view, travelling comfort has notably been raised by the implementation of "long-welded" rails. (Please replace my literal translation from Dutch with the proper English term(s).) After all, removing the bumps is better than finding cures for handling them.)
    Besides, a great part of railway safety, signalling and electric traction (globally, to my knowledge) relies on electric circuits using the rails and wheels as conductors. So, it makes sense to locate suspension devices not at the wheel level, but rather at the bogie level. (This obviously requires only bogies to be applied, which would be impossible for "all" steam locomotives.)

  • @santafewarbonnetproductions
    @santafewarbonnetproductions Год назад +8

    ALL HAIL THE BEEEP!!!!

  • @ryandavis7593
    @ryandavis7593 Год назад +7

    It wasn’t so much the paper degrading, though that did happen, it was the constant flexing of the steel tire. This flexing caused fatigue failure that ended up allowing the wheel to lose tread sections. A good example of this is the train wreck in Germany of an ICE high speed train.

  • @roberthuron9160
    @roberthuron9160 Год назад +6

    The PCC streetcars,used a rubber insert on their wheels,cut the noise,and there was also a rubberized suspension system on the trucks! So,paper wheels,20th century style! There are several books on the PCC'S that are worthwhile to read,and they have had very long innings! Thanks for a slightly different take on,otherwise mundane matters! Very educational,and thought provoking!! Again thank you 😊 🙏 ☺️!!

    • @bocahdongo7769
      @bocahdongo7769 Год назад +1

      Those rubber insert also used in ICE old wheel. It indeed made the ride insanely smoother, quieter, kill hundred of people, and still quite stable on super high speed

  • @chefchaudard3580
    @chefchaudard3580 Год назад +13

    The french PLM company 220 (440) "coupe vent" (wind cutters) were succesful. The streamlining purpose was to reduce the effect of strong wind that blows from Lyon to the south east coast, the "Cote d'Azur", through the Rhone river valley, called Mistral.
    The characteristic shape of the cab eventually survived up to the last steam locomotives built in France, 141P (282) and 241P (482). Because it looked cool though...

    • @bertmeinders6758
      @bertmeinders6758 6 месяцев назад +2

      Bert Meinders
      The first "Windsplitter picture shows Walschaert valve gear with piston valves. It's generally believed that the NZR B class 4-8-0 of 1899 was the first to combine the two features.

  • @eliyahtherailfanner131
    @eliyahtherailfanner131 Год назад +16

    5:34 Quick correction, they are actually are now part of the G&W owned railroad SJVR. SJVR is a railroad based in the Central Valley in California.

    • @franky717-ux9rr
      @franky717-ux9rr Год назад +2

      Nice, I live near one of the SJVR lines. I remember seeing her in the RaiLink paint scheme

  • @Anfidurl
    @Anfidurl Год назад +52

    Strangely enough, the Paris Metro still uses pneumatic tires despite the need to replace more often.

    • @chefchaudard3580
      @chefchaudard3580 Год назад +10

      Yes, but the wheels don't run on the rail, but on seperate larger concrete bands.
      There were 4 major issues with the Micheline railcars and trains :
      - the wheels had to be narrow, because of the width of the rail, limitting the weight they could handle. The railcar needed to be very light and the number of wheels multiplied
      - because they were light, trains wear out very quickly
      - there were often punctures, due to laminating rails mainly (locomotive slippage leaving steel chips attached to the rail). A wheel or two had to be changed during most of the journeys, and replacement was not easy task, the wheel weighting almost 100kg (200lbs)
      - there was considerable resistance and a lot of power was required from the locomotives. And the crew could not relax : they needed to pull continuously, contrary to a steel wheel train where they just had to let it go in descents.
      Paris (and Montreal) metros don't have these issues.

    • @brentboswell1294
      @brentboswell1294 Год назад +3

      Mexico City does, also...I believe that some of the Paris Metro engineers were hired to design the Mexico City Metro

    • @obelic71
      @obelic71 Год назад +3

      The tracks are not classic railway tracks they are flat steel or concrete.
      The advantage of that metro system (more adhesive tracktion/breaking) outweighs the negativs.
      Also the GLT trams (guided light trams) use pneumatic tires and are guided with 1 railway track in the middle.
      Its an enginering solution that can benefit in special occasions like very thight curves and fast / often exeleration /breaking.

    • @generalprincecodyhedgewolf2944
      @generalprincecodyhedgewolf2944 Год назад +2

      Samstrains will be Amused and triggered and laughing

    • @jordanalexander615
      @jordanalexander615 Год назад +1

      The transit systems in airports use tires too even though it's on rails. Probably for easier maintenance and smooth ride.

  • @marcleslac2413
    @marcleslac2413 Год назад +5

    Montreal metro: laughs in fully underground rubber tired system. I kid you not our oldest trains are turning 50 in a few years and They are legendary in montreal.

  • @hussarzwei6223
    @hussarzwei6223 Год назад +5

    Suggestion 5 worst rolling stock

  • @drewzero1
    @drewzero1 Год назад +5

    It may be worth noting that 100 wheels wouldn't go a long way on Pullman cars, as they typically had 3-axle bogies. That would be enough for up to 8 cars and a few spares. I'd be interested to know how many cars were ultimately fitted with these wheels, and how many rainstorms they would typically survive!

  • @roelantverhoeven371
    @roelantverhoeven371 Год назад +2

    Belgium had some coupe-vents too, and so did certain bavarian and wurtembergian locomotives, they even had wedge shaped cabs

  • @southsidediy
    @southsidediy Год назад +4

    I thought the beep was called beep like a Baldwin GEEP. Like a baldwin with a GP or Geep hood

  • @brentboswell1294
    @brentboswell1294 Год назад +3

    Pneumatic tires on rails is still quite common...hi-rail vehicles 😅 Had pneumatic tires for rail vehicles caught on, then another drawback would have become apparent: the coefficient of friction of steel on steel is one of the lowest known coefficient of friction (this side of leather soled shoes on ice). Increasing this friction takes away one of the railroad's intrinsic values: the low coefficient of friction makes rail travel fundamentally more efficient (from an energy standpoint), which goes away when you introduce more friction.

  • @solarflare623
    @solarflare623 Год назад +11

    I have a suggestion: 5 planes that ended up where you’d least expect. Also a suggestion for that: the S199 aka the Sakeen. It was a version of the bf109…that was used by Israel.

    • @fanofeverything30465
      @fanofeverything30465 Год назад +1

      He could make a 'Planes in Odd Places' series

    • @Yogasefski
      @Yogasefski Год назад

      Ah yes, the Messershit

    • @obelic71
      @obelic71 Год назад +3

      Not only planes also the Panzer IV ended up at the IDF.
      Captured ones (Syrians in 1947) were later even destroyed by the IDF with Shermans and Centurions!

    • @tidepoolclipper8657
      @tidepoolclipper8657 Год назад +1

      There is a B 727-200 in a forest owned by Bruce Campbell.

  • @molossis
    @molossis Год назад +12

    Fun Fact: 1460 was one of the only engines not to be renumbered after the BNSF merger.

  • @4everdc302
    @4everdc302 Год назад +3

    Michelin said, "Hold my beer. France&Montreal Metro trains are on tires

    • @MarceloBenoit-trenes
      @MarceloBenoit-trenes Год назад +2

      And some lines at Mexico and Santiago de Chile too (but ALL OF THEM have also metal wheels behind the rubber ones). And the VAL metro and other small automatic metros all around the world have tyres instead of rails (and some weird turnouts to be able to use them without rails).

  • @TryboBike
    @TryboBike Год назад +2

    Paper wheels did get 50 years of usage in them as a technology and, frankly, as they pretty much ceased to function at speeds above 50mph. Then again, having composite wheels on trains tends to fail in spectacular ways. As germans can attest.

  • @retr0bits545
    @retr0bits545 Год назад +3

    Speaking of CF7s Rock Island Rail has one CF7 in their roster.

  • @Mr._funny2006
    @Mr._funny2006 Год назад +7

    I thought that the paper wheels worked

  • @Biker_Gremling
    @Biker_Gremling Год назад +1

    Mi local railway museum has a French manufactured railcar for a colony that has rubber tires. Was able to ride on it back on the day and the ride was not only smooth, but super quiet as well. Even back then I could grasp the issues regarding these kinds of wheels, but damm it was impressive.

  • @user-ru5vz7sm5z
    @user-ru5vz7sm5z Год назад +1

    15:01 Meanwhile Siemens a couple of decades later: and I took that personally

  • @wobblebee1242
    @wobblebee1242 Год назад +2

    14:59 DB has entered the chat

  • @tidepoolclipper8657
    @tidepoolclipper8657 Год назад +3

    Speaking of failed tires; the Eschede train once had tries with an additional layer of metal. However, that layer of metal led to one of the most disastrous train accidents in history.

    • @chrislaarman7532
      @chrislaarman7532 Год назад +2

      Quite! It has led to the phasing out of metal "tyres" around the wheels of trains (in Europe, at least in Germany), and in the meantime adding white marker lines on wheels with these tyres, so that relocated tyres can easily be spotted.
      (Note: there is this Eschede in Germany, and there is Enschede in the Netherlands, on the border with Germany.)

  • @worldtraveler930
    @worldtraveler930 Год назад

    It is good to hear tales of Cleburne, Texas and its manufacturing back in the day!!! 🤠👍

  • @Dallen9
    @Dallen9 Год назад +1

    Only Benefit I could see for "wind-Splitting" is fuel economy and when the locomotive has to travel against gale force winds. Stream lining is different cause it also does wind-splitting but it adds extra weight which adds tractive effort to the locomotive. I.e. the streamline locomotives could pull more stuff with no extra added motive power.

  • @GB_GeorgiaF
    @GB_GeorgiaF Год назад +2

    Is it me, or does Beep have strong British Rail vibes?

  • @irishpsalteri
    @irishpsalteri Год назад

    DTC, you are one diligent researcher.

  • @novastardom2689
    @novastardom2689 Год назад +1

    4:54 I sure would love when that railroad existed...

  • @nicolek4076
    @nicolek4076 Год назад +4

    I'm pretty sure I've travelled on the Paris metro where the carriages had rubber tyres. Noticeably quiet compared with the London Thunderground.

    • @chrislaarman7532
      @chrislaarman7532 Год назад +1

      Yes, Paris is the (one) place I know of, regarding this. I assume the electricity to be provided by a two-conductor third-rail.

    • @nicolek4076
      @nicolek4076 Год назад +1

      @@chrislaarman7532 Thanks, Chris, for confirming. I should also say that, contrary to what I implied, I know definitely that I travelled on the metro in Paris, but was unsure about the rubber wheels.

    • @chrislaarman7532
      @chrislaarman7532 Год назад +2

      @@nicolek4076 "Together we can!" ;-) Anyway, see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber-tyred_metro or preferably fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A9tro_sur_pneumatiques.

    • @MarceloBenoit-trenes
      @MarceloBenoit-trenes Год назад +1

      @@chrislaarman7532 no. The system has conventional rails and wheels behind the tyres to use turnouts and solve the issue of a blown tire. Also, the system is used at Mexico, Montreal and Santiago de Chile. There are also automatic metros with tyres and no rails, but that is a different kind of system.

    • @chrislaarman7532
      @chrislaarman7532 Год назад +1

      @@MarceloBenoit-trenes Thank you. :-) You seem to partially disagree with the contributor(s) of the Wikipedia article.

  • @boxcarthehusky420
    @boxcarthehusky420 Год назад +2

    Aerodynamics is still a waste of time when it comes to trains. Applying aerodynamics to trains is like applying it to a brick, It may look fast but it's still a brick.
    The Aerodynamic Siemens chargers that Brightline uses literally have the same fuel consumption as the normal chargers, they also can go the same speed in the same amount of time.
    It's like putting lipstick on a pig, no reason other than looks and it looks awful.

  • @dylanruppert4547
    @dylanruppert4547 Год назад +2

    The BL20-2s are actually on a shortline that bought thats owned by G&W

  • @Duececoupe
    @Duececoupe Год назад +1

    Been binge watching your videos....
    You need to make a Top 5 streamlined locomotives, possibly one part for 4-8-4's and one part for 4-6-4's, maybe one for Worst 5 as well, for ugly, failed, streamline locomotives....
    There's enough out there for US v Europe v Canada....now, get to it! 😉😆😂
    Oh, btw....Milwaukee Road RULES! ✊🏻😎
    Keep 'em videos coming! 🤜🏻🤛🏻🍻

  • @williamsquires3070
    @williamsquires3070 Год назад +1

    Well, that, and paper has two other qualities that make it unsuitable for making train wheels; 1) it gets soggy (and warps) if you get it wet, and 2) it’s FLAMMABLE! Combine the heat from braking, with flammable paper train wheels, and oxygen from the air, and you end up with train wheels on fire! And burnt paper has NO structural rigidity. And the fire would burn up the axle grease in the journal bearings. Super not good. It’s a good thing they were banned.

  • @centredoorplugsthornton4112
    @centredoorplugsthornton4112 Год назад

    EMD was driven to distraction by railroads' own locomotive rebuilding programs. Santa Fe CF7s, ICG's Paducah rebuilds, Seaboard's GP16s. Hence the BL20-2 and the GP15.

  • @kingofnight0461
    @kingofnight0461 Год назад +2

    Hey, you should research trackmobile, we use them at pur steel plant to move cars, they have trucks for the rail but also have wheels with hydraulics

  • @weird1012
    @weird1012 Год назад +2

    Paper wheels were pretty succsefull, idk why they're here. they were used exstenstevlty by the US railroads for passanger use so...

  • @Grain979
    @Grain979 Год назад +1

    1:49 imagine living in the town that made Beep

  • @JJRol.
    @JJRol. Год назад

    The "Beep" is such a strange loco. So unique though!

  • @michaelosgood9876
    @michaelosgood9876 Год назад

    That 'windsplitter' 2751 looked like the inspiration to Tupolevs TU144😃

  • @conductorzen671
    @conductorzen671 Год назад +1

    I got to see the beep in person

  • @sjwhitney
    @sjwhitney Год назад

    Research the Montreal subway system. They use rubber tires and flanged wheels. VERY quiet and where they have to switch tracks the rail wheels come into play.
    Paper wheels did fail BUT they didn't fail as badly as described. They were constructed in such a manner that the outer disks that compressed the paper could also support the wheel if the paper wore out. My railroad had a snowplow we used up intot he 1980's that had a couple wheelsets that had paper wheels.

  • @Rocker-1234
    @Rocker-1234 Год назад +1

    11:40 wait wait wait, lets not skip over that paper from straw, why are we not still doing that? it sounds like the perfect middle ground... we already harvest a massive amount of grain globally and not all of the straw goes to animals, so why not use it to make paper? less crop waste and less logging... seems like a perfect idea.

  • @cliffwoodbury5319
    @cliffwoodbury5319 Год назад +1

    I saw a rubber railway rails video on youtube that i can no longer find any longer.

  • @tidepoolclipper8657
    @tidepoolclipper8657 Год назад +1

    Union Pacific Big Boy no. 4005 was converted to oil, but had to be modified back into a coal burner.

  • @carebloodlaevathein6732
    @carebloodlaevathein6732 Год назад +1

    1:18 Hail Beep!

  • @rosiehawtrey
    @rosiehawtrey Год назад +3

    Use the tank wheels for trains. Steel - rubber sandwich - steel outer. Best of both worlds and they last. I think the Panther used them along with the Interleaved German tanks and some 30s European stuff used them. You also had Roadable tanks with removable tracks and steering front axles..

    • @bocahdongo7769
      @bocahdongo7769 Год назад

      Those rubber insert also used in ICE old wheel. It indeed made the ride insanely smoother, quieter, kill hundred of people, and still quite stable on super high speed

    • @Xalerdane
      @Xalerdane 9 месяцев назад

      I don’t think tank treads can be used at these speeds.

  • @RandomTrinidadian
    @RandomTrinidadian Год назад +3

    Next list
    5 worst railways.... that are not British Rail

    • @robertwilloughby8050
      @robertwilloughby8050 Год назад +2

      I know one that won't be there - Cesky Drahy.

    • @tidepoolclipper8657
      @tidepoolclipper8657 Год назад +2

      Penn Central easily belongs there. it's especially the worst company merger in history. They make Amtrak seem better managed in comparison.

  • @jlelliotton
    @jlelliotton Год назад +1

    The Montreal subway (trains after all) have rubber tires

  • @merafirewing6591
    @merafirewing6591 Год назад

    Surprising the British Rail didn't even thought of rebuilding their failed diesels.

  • @Duececoupe
    @Duececoupe Год назад

    @History in the Dark
    As the saying goes....Change My Mind! 😉
    1: Norfolk & Western Class J
    2: New York Central Class S-1
    3: Santa Fe Class 2900
    4: Milwaukee Road Class S-2
    5: Southern Pacific Class: GS

  • @railfanmaximstill7279
    @railfanmaximstill7279 Год назад +1

    7:04 that nose looks like the dog from the didn't I it for you meme

  • @jonathanpan6110
    @jonathanpan6110 Год назад +5

    Why the Beep? It was a decent modification, I would just overlook the expense if the engine performance is good

  • @wickster79
    @wickster79 Год назад

    Last I remember the metro system in Montreal Quebec Canada they still use tires with rails to guild them.

  • @WinterroSP
    @WinterroSP Год назад +1

    12:37 since rubber deforms slightly it loses its cone shape, (what makes trains steer) if the coaches had a differential, the rubber could be almost as good as steel

  • @ralfie8801
    @ralfie8801 Год назад

    The ATSF shop that built the BEEP was in Cleburne, Texas. Pronounced Cleeburn, not Clayburn.

  • @frederickschulkind8431
    @frederickschulkind8431 Месяц назад

    Airport transportation systems often use rubber tires, but those probably don't count as railroads.

  • @ryancoplen6207
    @ryancoplen6207 Год назад

    All hail the beep. All hail the beep.

  • @geoffadams5537
    @geoffadams5537 Год назад

    N.Z R did the same to the english electric built Dg co-co types.r we cabbed them. The new cabs on the Dg were based around the cabs of the Dx/Df types 😊 7:58

  • @F40M07
    @F40M07 Год назад +1

    Railroads be like
    BL20-2 ❌
    GEEP✅

  • @collinparks274
    @collinparks274 Год назад

    This isn't related to failed modifications, bit I just saw a post on my face book feed with a photo of a shay that was built for the NYC, it has a body around it to make it look more like a rail car and has a slope back tender too

  • @libbychang413
    @libbychang413 Год назад

    8:38 on the contrary...pneumatic tires have been (and still are) successful in at least one case...that being the paris metro...i was shocked when i saw it...
    edit: apptly they do that in montreal to...but ive never been there...

  • @TheSudrianTerrier653
    @TheSudrianTerrier653 Год назад +8

    The paper wheel didn’t fail , it just became obsolete in a sense

    • @obelic71
      @obelic71 Год назад +4

      Correct, the next gen. are the rubber inner steel wheels who are uses to to this day on trams.
      Once they used that tram wheel design on high speed trains restaurant cars and that resultet in the Eschede HST disaster in Germany.
      Sadly history did repeat itself

    • @JohnGeorgeBauerBuis
      @JohnGeorgeBauerBuis Год назад +1

      @@obelic71I was about to mention that.

  • @richardjayroe8922
    @richardjayroe8922 Год назад +1

    WHAT DID I DO?!?!?!

  • @Dollywoodexpress192
    @Dollywoodexpress192 Год назад +1

    Can you make a video of the arcade and attica 18 and 14 go to captine retro for help

  • @antonbruce1241
    @antonbruce1241 Год назад +1

    What is a BL20-2? Isn't that a sandwich one can get at Denny's????

  • @jadebullet3884
    @jadebullet3884 Год назад +2

    Why does putting BL in your diesel locomotive cause it to fail? Bl2, BLW, BL20-2

    • @ferky123
      @ferky123 Год назад +1

      Would putting a BLT in the locomotive help?

    • @jadebullet3884
      @jadebullet3884 Год назад +1

      @@ferky123 A BLT would help all situations, so yes.
      I do have a soft spot for the BL2, though. They were very successful on the BAR, but that's about it.

  • @djteako
    @djteako 7 месяцев назад

    Error. There is at least one train running on "rubber" wheels. The Montreal Metro LRT runs on rubber wheels.

    • @djteako
      @djteako 7 месяцев назад

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Metro

  • @kommandantgalileo
    @kommandantgalileo Год назад +2

    But Paper wheels actually worked very well

  • @johnwood2788
    @johnwood2788 5 дней назад

    Why don't you do a vedio on fairbank Morse locomotive

  • @jameskerner7782
    @jameskerner7782 Год назад +1

    What about Montreal?

  • @ALCO-C855-fan
    @ALCO-C855-fan 7 месяцев назад

    They DID attempt ROBBER rail wheels?!??!! Oh dear...

  • @gordonvincent731
    @gordonvincent731 Год назад

    I ran those damn CF7's. then were crap. Jerks wouldn't buy new SW1500, or GP38-2's, "Route of the Super Cheap".

  • @nikiandre6998
    @nikiandre6998 8 месяцев назад

    how about wheels on ICE with rubber insertion?

  • @legocentryk
    @legocentryk Год назад +1

    Beep :D

  • @washingtonrailfan889
    @washingtonrailfan889 Год назад

    BEEP

  • @andy41417
    @andy41417 Год назад

    Some trolleys use a rubber tire under a steel outer rim. ok but no good for high speed trains.

  • @MGower4465
    @MGower4465 11 месяцев назад

    I'm just here for a British Rail meltdown.

  • @harrisonallen651
    @harrisonallen651 Год назад

    *B E E P*

  • @KibuFox
    @KibuFox Год назад

    Uh... "Beep" got her name from Baldwin, and the General Electric "Geep" (GP) locomotive. Not Baldwin Geep.. Baldwin didn't build GP locomotives.

  • @Ivarthemalletengine
    @Ivarthemalletengine Год назад

    beep? Beep beep

  • @agnesson27
    @agnesson27 Год назад

    Hello hello

  • @user-dh2mw1mu7z
    @user-dh2mw1mu7z Год назад

    why paper for wheels?

  • @GrayD1ce
    @GrayD1ce Год назад

    No SD cat?

  • @shefan
    @shefan Год назад

    harris gray ghost

  • @michaelhband
    @michaelhband Год назад +1

    👍👍👍❤❤❤🚂🚂🚂

  • @MRTransportVideos
    @MRTransportVideos Год назад +2

    Considering how 'bad' Rubber-Tyred trains sound, they have actually proved rather popular - with France (and Montreal which is, of course, France but friendlier) REALLY embracing them!
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber-tyred_metro

    • @HistoryintheDark
      @HistoryintheDark  Год назад +1

      Those tires don't run ON the rail, though, so they kinda eliminated the major flaw with them in that instance.

    • @MRTransportVideos
      @MRTransportVideos Год назад +2

      You can always trust the French to have a logical way around it:
      "Serge, 'ow de get round ze problem of ze rubber tyres not working on ze metal rails?"
      "I know, Pierre - get rid of ze rails, run on teeny little roads instead!"
      "Serge, you are a genius - premiere classe!"

  • @francisboyle1739
    @francisboyle1739 Год назад

    In 1915 they banned paper wheels and no one ever again died as a result of engineers trying to make quieter wheels. Well, at least not for a while. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eschede_train_disaster