Fire on board. Laptop on fire in aircraft. United Boeing 737 MAX 8 needs immediate return. Real ATC

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  • Опубликовано: 18 май 2024
  • THIS VIDEO IS A RECONSTRUCTION OF THE FOLLOWING SITUATION IN FLIGHT:
    07-FEB-2023. A United Airlines Boeing 737 MAX 8 (B38M), registration N77259, performing flight UAL2664 / UA2664 from San Diego International Airport, CA (USA) to Newark Liberty International Airport, NJ (USA) after departure, about at 8000 feet, declared an emergency, reported laptop on fire in the aircraft and requested immediate return to the airport of departure.
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    #realatc #aviation #airtrafficcontrol
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    Timestamps:
    00:00 Description of situation
    00:17 Initial climb
    00:36 Laptop on fire
    02:25 UAL2664 is cleared for the visual approach
    03:40 United 2664 contacted Tower Controller
    04:07 Landing
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    THE VALUE OF THIS VIDEO:
    THE MAIN VALUE IS EDUCATION. This reconstruction will be useful for actual or future air traffic controllers and pilots, people who plan to connect life with aviation, who like aviation. With help of this video reconstruction you’ll learn how to use radiotelephony rules, Aviation English language and general English language (for people whose native language is not English) in situation in flight, which was shown. THE MAIN REASON I DO THIS IS TO HELP PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND EVERY EMERGENCY SITUATION, EVERY WORD AND EVERY MOVE OF AIRCRAFT.
    SOURCES OF MATERIAL, LICENSES AND PERMISSIONS:
    Source of communications - www.liveatc.net/ (I have a permission (Letter) for commercial use of radio communications from LiveATC.net).
    Map, aerial pictures (License (ODbL) ©OpenStreetMap -www.openstreetmap.org/copyrig...) Permission for commercial use, royalty-free use.
    Radar screen (In new versions of videos) - Made by author.
    Text version of communication - Made by Author.
    Video editing - Made by author.
    HOW I DO VIDEOS:
    1) I monitor media, airspace, looking for any non-standard, emergency and interesting situation.
    2) I find communications of ATC unit for the period of time I need.
    3) I take only phrases between air traffic controller and selected flight.
    4) I find a flight path of selected aircraft.
    5) I make an animation (early couple of videos don’t have animation) of flight path and aircraft, where the aircraft goes on his route.
    6) When I edit video I put phrases of communications to specific points in video (in tandem with animation).
    7) Together with my comments (voice and text) I edit and make a reconstruction of emergency, non-standard and interesting situation in flight.

Комментарии • 158

  • @GigglesClifton9
    @GigglesClifton9 Год назад +117

    Austin ATC would have cleared about 5 aircraft to take off runway 27 whilst this guy was on short final.

  • @MsSuperfa
    @MsSuperfa Год назад +91

    Excellently handled by the flight attendants, let's not forget them. Remember we aren't here just to serve you cokes. Flight attendant for 27 years and yes, I work for the company.

    • @Zamiroh
      @Zamiroh Год назад +9

      Agreed! It is something I wish more people understood. I have never worked specifically on an airline (though I worked in management in airports), but flight attendants are primarily there for the safety of the aircraft and passengers. There is a good reason why faa requirements will not let a flight take off without the proper number of attendants, and it has nothing to do with your drink!

    • @YouCanSeeATC
      @YouCanSeeATC  Год назад +3

      👍

    • @jonslg240
      @jonslg240 Год назад +4

      FIRE THESE PILOTS.

    • @teamscrew
      @teamscrew Год назад +4

      @@jonslg240 why?

    • @beckymunro2071
      @beckymunro2071 Год назад +1

      @@jonslg240 for WHAT?!?!

  • @Motorman2112
    @Motorman2112 Год назад +29

    Nice to hear the ATC clearly pronouncing all three words of "cleared" "to" and "land", rather than "cledalan".

  • @Kuchenblech_Mafioso
    @Kuchenblech_Mafioso Год назад +119

    Excellent ATC. Not only handled the initial situation, but also had to deal with the comms issue. They knew exactly what to do

    • @Williamb612
      @Williamb612 Год назад +1

      one would think there would be an innovation to allow pilots to communicate through their oxygen masks

    • @spelldaddy5386
      @spelldaddy5386 Год назад +11

      @@Williamb612 the system is set up that the pilots should be able to talk through microphones in the masks. This audio suggests that the pilot did not set it up correctly, or else was too preoccupied and task saturated to be able to switch the setting

    • @thomasstadnicki6619
      @thomasstadnicki6619 Год назад +7

      @@spelldaddy5386 Guessing PM didn't switch his audio panel from "boom" to "mask". Common thing to miss in a high stress situation

    • @spartancroft
      @spartancroft Год назад +4

      Pretty sure this is older tech which is hanging around in the Max. Airbus automatically cuts over from boom to mask when masks removed from stowage and mic goes to VOX. Think the later generation Boeing airframes might do too.

    • @jonslg240
      @jonslg240 Год назад

      That's seriously all you have to say? What about the pilot not returning asap when there is a fire on board??
      So many pilots and passengers have ended up in the dirt because the pilots didn't land immediately because they were too scared to inconvenience the airport.
      Fire on board = land now.
      We don't even allow smoking on board because it effects others health. However we should allow a CHEMICAL fire on board?
      Any pilot who doesn't land immediately after learning about a fire should be fired. Out of a cannon. Into the sun.

  • @elizabeth5985
    @elizabeth5985 Год назад +26

    Great job to the flight attendants for putting out the fire and containing the emergency while the pilots and controllers got the plane on the ground. An excellent team response to an emergency!

  • @crtkatze2
    @crtkatze2 Год назад +45

    the comms problem made it sound much more dramatic, glad everything went well!

    • @patheddles4004
      @patheddles4004 Год назад +1

      Also legit made it more dangerous, especially before the tower established that the flight crew could hear them.

    • @lyaneris
      @lyaneris Год назад

      ​@@patheddles4004 The only time it was more dangerous was before dep/arr established that they could hear him, since there was terrain coming up. Otherwise it didn't really matter. They had a serious emergency, everyone was out of their way anyways and twr could have simply given a light signal, if needed.

  • @robmonkey
    @robmonkey Год назад +31

    Although it was initially thought to have been a laptop, it was actually an external battery pack.
    The flight attendants were praised for their actions. They were transported by ambulance to the hospital for further evaluation.
    2 passengers were treated by paramedics at the scene and declined ambulance transport.

  • @stenic2
    @stenic2 Год назад +6

    Great approach controller, he also provided the landing clearance

  • @BillySugger1965
    @BillySugger1965 Год назад +16

    Great, professional and efficient job all round. 👏

  • @zwild1
    @zwild1 Год назад +4

    Was flying on the same frequency when this happened. Both the pilots and ATC did a great job working together. Thankfully it was a clear morning and they could easily take the visual right back in!

  • @christophermercado5466
    @christophermercado5466 Год назад +10

    Another amazing job done by ATC!!! I'm telling you, I hear these videos and I get chills.

  • @MCMXI1
    @MCMXI1 Год назад +12

    This channel is great

    • @YouCanSeeATC
      @YouCanSeeATC  Год назад +4

      This comment is great 😁😎👍

    • @slartybarfastb3648
      @slartybarfastb3648 Год назад

      @@YouCanSeeATC Would it be possible for you to find the event for AerLingus Flight 93 MCO to MAN on Nov 8 2022?
      Emergency divert to DAB after departure for smoke in the cockpit?
      EUK93H. G-EILA tail ident
      Overweight emergency landing 15-20 after departure on wet runway; Airbus 330

  • @staceygrahame2504
    @staceygrahame2504 Год назад

    What excellent communications, clear, quick and precise. When I say clear I’m not accounting for the radio issues, that couldn’t be helped. Even when ATC couldn’t hear or understand them, they managed to still communicate they could hear him. I love these videos - for all the shocking stuff we hear; especially of late (Austin TX I’m looking at you!!🤐); it’s nice to get some great examples thrown in of those who actually know what they’re doing!
    Great job by all. Flight Attendants - got that shit under control and contained in the lav immediately. They’ll have not long been up too and been concentrating on the drinks trolleys. Pilots acted exactly as they should - take no chances when it comes to fire on board, masks on, fly the plane. Get it on the ground. Excellent return and landing, can imagine those were indeed some hot brakes. ATC wasn’t messing either, no confusion and immediate decision made is what the pilots need in these situations. Didn’t hassle them, let them fly and only gave necessary info. Wasn’t about to ask them to faff about with the radio or speakers, just let them get on with descending - he could see them, could see they were reacting to his commands and had already cleared their flight path. Assisted Tower ATC by repeating CTL in case they were having trouble with one of the frequencies. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
    Bunch of pros on this. These are the people I want in charge of my plane whenever I’m up there!

  • @UnshavenStatue
    @UnshavenStatue Год назад +6

    Sounds like one of the masks had a bad mic connection somewhere, which only makes it all the better handling from all involved.

  • @pgrosebud2012
    @pgrosebud2012 Год назад +9

    Thanks for all the informative videos. One thing that seems to repeat is the extremely poor radio communication with ARFF- in this modern age why does it seem to be so hard to get radio in a fire truck?

    • @xheralt
      @xheralt Год назад +20

      Truck radios aren't necessarily as powerful as base stations or aircraft radios...we are hearing what a remote listener is hearing. The involved parties are hearing each other better (give or take the pilots in masks and switched over to external speaker from headsets...brilliant deduction by Tower, pity no-one caught it sooner)

    • @patheddles4004
      @patheddles4004 Год назад +12

      A huge part is also signal path, given that we're hearing a recording from a ground receiver somewhere outside the airport - planes in the air have a clear line of sight to anywhere on the ground, ATC is up the top of a tower, but anything on the apron is a whole different story. Same reason why in these videos you'll often hear a plane's comms suddenly drop in audio quality after they land.
      (also +1 Gary on all points)

    • @thatgreenguy3969
      @thatgreenguy3969 Год назад +2

      These are third party recordings from off site. Crews hear each other better since they are closer and signal strength is better.

  • @turnrob
    @turnrob Год назад

    ATC was perfect

  • @othername1000
    @othername1000 Год назад +1

    I was expecting them to toss it out the door upon stopping .

  • @FrankRuiz66
    @FrankRuiz66 Год назад +1

    Good job by everyone especially the Controller

  • @79jask
    @79jask Год назад +2

    please do a video on the recent FedEx/Southwest incident in AUS

  • @dashford06
    @dashford06 Год назад +8

    Dang, wonder what make of laptop this was. Glad they have the fire containment bags.

    • @ricardokowalski1579
      @ricardokowalski1579 Год назад +2

      This should be an ETOPS consideration. Maybe even a jettison drawer may be required?

    • @UnshavenStatue
      @UnshavenStatue Год назад +5

      other sources have it as simply an external battery pack, not any laptop or phone proper

    • @spelldaddy5386
      @spelldaddy5386 Год назад +2

      @@ricardokowalski1579 they couldn't jettison anything from the aircraft while it is pressurized. As I understand it, if there is a fire during flight over water, the checklist advises the pilots to prepare to ditch the aircraft if no airports are close enough

    • @ricardokowalski1579
      @ricardokowalski1579 Год назад

      @@spelldaddy5386 Yes. You can't. What I'm saying is that for ETOPS aircraft, maybe is time to install a drawer that can be jettisoned.
      You can fly 120 minutes on one engine, but can a fire be contained for 120 minutes?

    • @jonslg240
      @jonslg240 Год назад +3

      @@ricardokowalski1579 jettison drawer would be nice for all sorts of things, like a bomb with a timer ticking down! =p
      But honestly, jokes aside? I believe they should absolutely have something like that on every large commercial aircraft.

  • @philiproseel3506
    @philiproseel3506 Год назад +3

    I wonder if the flight attendants were able to place the laptop or battery pack in the Electronics Fire Containment Bag that is stored on airliners for this type of emergency. I've seen them many times in the overhead compartments containing the first aid kit, etc.

    • @EdOeuna
      @EdOeuna Год назад

      If they had then there wouldn’t be an emergency.

    • @philiproseel3506
      @philiproseel3506 Год назад

      @@AG-uh9bf That makes sense.

    • @kierano8390
      @kierano8390 Год назад

      @@philiproseel3506 I believe they did put it in a fire bag, and used a fire extinguisher

  • @BRUtahn
    @BRUtahn Год назад +10

    Do passenger airliners have fireproof compartments or metal trays or anything like that to isolate items that catch on fire so it doesn't spread?
    Edit after watch: sounds like they threw it in the bathroom?

    • @saxmanb777
      @saxmanb777 Год назад +12

      Yes. They have fire containment bags and gloves to place the overheating item in.

    • @UnshavenStatue
      @UnshavenStatue Год назад +14

      They have firebags meant for lithium batteries in addition to extinguishers. Both extinguishers and bags were used in this incident.

  • @lydtay932
    @lydtay932 Год назад +4

    Lots of emergencies and close calls in the 121 world in the US and all our safety nets are working perfectly. Love to see it.

  • @MuzixMaker
    @MuzixMaker 11 месяцев назад

    That’s a tricky visual approach

  • @bluevalkkitty
    @bluevalkkitty Год назад +1

    4:49 Looks like you switched Tower and United 2664 in the captions!

  • @Semiam1
    @Semiam1 Год назад +1

    I’m surprised this doesn’t happen more frequently

    • @MuzixMaker
      @MuzixMaker 11 месяцев назад

      Just wait until there’s 100 million electric cars driving around.

  • @johnwright4406
    @johnwright4406 Год назад

    Best act ever

  • @alanblyde8502
    @alanblyde8502 Год назад

    This has been on my mind for a whil, what do you do when your way out of range to land, battery fires not good especially lithium

    • @saxmanb777
      @saxmanb777 Год назад

      They put it in a fire containment bag.

  • @S_Paoli
    @S_Paoli Год назад +8

    if my new laptop caught fire through no fault of my own on a plane, who is liable for any potential damages? me, Lenovo, company that manufactured the battery for Lenovo, United or others? just wondering...

    • @jamescollier3
      @jamescollier3 Год назад +4

      you. then you can go after whomever you like

    • @davidmoser3535
      @davidmoser3535 Год назад +1

      YOU

    • @charlesnullens
      @charlesnullens Год назад +9

      Anyone who says FIRST in the comments 🙄

    • @CheatOnlyDeath
      @CheatOnlyDeath Год назад +11

      You are not liable unless you violated a rule or policy of the airline or ignored an instruction by the crew or you could reasonably know that your device posed an abnormal danger.
      Lithium battery fires are a known and accepted risk and even holding the manufacturer liable would be difficult unless you could prove negligence.
      Airlines have safety procedures in place that seemed to have worked. It would be interesting to know the nature of the injuries

    • @user-tb7rn1il3q
      @user-tb7rn1il3q Год назад

      Theoretically the airline can sue the passenger. A homeowner’s policy would most likely provide counsel to defend the passenger. The airline would have to prove negligence, like using a non approved aftermarket battery. I doubt the airline would sue because of the bad PR.

  • @sminem6572
    @sminem6572 9 месяцев назад

    Whoever had that laptop was probably wishing they hadn't gotten it off of Alibaba for 60 dollars shipping included 😂

  • @poxcr
    @poxcr Год назад

    Wondering if it would make sense for aircraft to have some sort of fire containment vault onboard. I'd assume there's at least a cellphone per passenger nowadays, plus headphones, laptops, tablets, battery packs, etc.

  • @christerry1773
    @christerry1773 Год назад

    A laptop actually caught fire. How does that even happen

  • @wyoboatman
    @wyoboatman Год назад

    It might be a consideration to have a fireproof bag on board aircraft.

  • @rilmar2137
    @rilmar2137 Год назад

    I wonder what the issue was with the radio

    • @malahammer
      @malahammer Год назад +4

      sounds like they were on masks

    • @YouCanSeeATC
      @YouCanSeeATC  Год назад +3

      Oxygen masks

    • @UnshavenStatue
      @UnshavenStatue Год назад +3

      probably the pilot monitoring oxygen mask had a bad wire connected to its mic. the pilot flying ox mask sounded normal.

    • @cdesha
      @cdesha Год назад +3

      Sounds like the pilot forgot to flip the switch to his oxygen mask

    • @UnshavenStatue
      @UnshavenStatue Год назад +1

      @@cdesha username checks the fuck out lol

  • @polar_baer
    @polar_baer Год назад

    Laptop users: "It's portable though!"

  • @codedlAnguage
    @codedlAnguage Год назад

    🤒🤒

  • @sylviaelse5086
    @sylviaelse5086 Год назад +1

    Do modern aircraft need the ability to dump stuff overboard?

    • @anglewoodsdashcamfootageso2779
      @anglewoodsdashcamfootageso2779 Год назад

      Cabin pressure ?

    • @sylviaelse5086
      @sylviaelse5086 Год назад

      @@anglewoodsdashcamfootageso2779 Yes, that's a particular issue, and is why something designed for the purpose is required.

    • @anglewoodsdashcamfootageso2779
      @anglewoodsdashcamfootageso2779 Год назад

      @@sylviaelse5086 it is a dilemma because you can open the cargo door but then the passenger will need an oxygen mask.
      The oxygen mask only has approximately 14/15 minutes of air available.
      The legality of throwing stuff overboard?
      The altitude of a jet engine plane?
      Not saying it is not possible but what I am saying is it brings more questions than answers.

    • @sylviaelse5086
      @sylviaelse5086 Год назад

      @@anglewoodsdashcamfootageso2779 I'm really thinking of a response to the fact that passengers these days are carrying things that sometimes spontaneously catch fire - mainly laptops, tablets, and smart phones. An airlock style system capable of handling such objects would go a long way to addressing the hazard they represent, especially when the aircraft is an extended time from an airport. The law prohibiting throwing things out of an aircraft would not apply in the case of a fire emergency.

    • @spelldaddy5386
      @spelldaddy5386 Год назад

      It would not be possible to throw something overboard with a pressurized cabin. There are procedures in place for in flight fires, both for pilots and cabin crew, and they tend to work pretty well. Coffee makers and ovens create many smoke incidents on board aircraft, but airlines still serve coffee and hot food, because they trust the systems in place to mitigate danger. Same thing with electronics

  • @JohnSmith-zi9or
    @JohnSmith-zi9or Год назад

    Please please please don't be an Apple Mac Book.

  • @jdanon203
    @jdanon203 Год назад

    Why do they always ask how many people on board? Can't they look that up themselves? Everything is computerized now. Do they really expect the pilots to go take a head count?

    • @saxmanb777
      @saxmanb777 Год назад +3

      That information is not available on a computer accessible by ATC.

    • @BlackOpSource
      @BlackOpSource Год назад +2

      ATC doesn't have the manifest. The pilots do. A head count is not required.

    • @elizabeth5985
      @elizabeth5985 Год назад +2

      Because if the plane is on fire when it lands, the fire team needs to know how many people to save. If you're a passenger stuck in your seat dying of smoke inhalation, you don't want the firefighters going, "Sooooo that's probably it, right? That's a lot of people." You want them COUNTING how many passengers are off the plane. And no, ATC doesn't have the number of passengers on the 8000 planes in the sky over the US at any given time. The pilot is given the number of passengers by the gate agent before the plane takes off.

    • @df446
      @df446 Год назад +1

      The passenger count can change at the gate at the last minute. The only accurate number is written on a piece of paper in the flight deck.

  • @57Jimmy
    @57Jimmy Год назад

    Its only a matter of time before these bloody batteries cause a loaded airline passenger jet to crash and burn.
    Thankfully excellent crew response prevented this flight from having a deadly crash.

    • @robmonkey
      @robmonkey Год назад

      It's already happened. Remember the crash into the Florida Everglades many years ago? That one is a difficult CVR to listen to.

    • @JayJayAviation
      @JayJayAviation Год назад

      @@robmonkey eastern?

    • @elizabeth5985
      @elizabeth5985 Год назад +2

      ​@@robmonkey Actually that was in 1996, and the fire was caused by chemical oxygen generators that were illegally put in the cargo hold (not batteries). The airline was known for such lax safety and aggressive cost-cutting that the US military wouldn't allow it to fly soldiers. Still really tragic for those who perished in fear. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ValuJet_Flight_592

  • @MrWhiterunGuard
    @MrWhiterunGuard Год назад

    Why is it always MacBooks that spontaneously combust like that? Even cheap Chromebooks don’t have this issue.

    • @yooein
      @yooein Год назад +1

      My local electricians demonstrated why the Apple magsafe bla bla chargers catch fire easily. The detachable part of the charger cannot ever be attached as good as it should be, plus the weight of that big magsafe block doesn't allow the plug to sit in the socket horizontally enough. According to them it's a horrible and unsafe design.
      Idk about the laptop itself, but when I had to call an electrician because of my MacBook charger going up in flames and destroying a socket.... I started telling them about the charger accident without specifying the device, and the electrician was like "ah, a MacBook charger, right?" It turns out many of his jobs are just fixing stuff after MacBook chargers blowing up. lol

  • @drjoe661
    @drjoe661 Год назад

    It always amazes me that in the 21st-century, there is no better way to communicate and the audio quality is still that bad.

    • @BlackOpSource
      @BlackOpSource Год назад

      Audio quality isn't that bad. These recordings are always pulled from an off-site receiver, so you're not hearing quite what ATC, ARFF, or the crew are hearing.

    • @df446
      @df446 Год назад

      @@BlackOpSource Still . . . a VHF-AM, simplex radio system that has changed little in decades. There are better options.

    • @BlackOpSource
      @BlackOpSource Год назад

      ​@@df446 Are there though? Replacing what we have would require international agreement and retrofitting hundreds of thousands of aircraft, never mind all the ground facilities. The logistics of such a proposal are enormous, all to replace something that works fine.

  • @jojothetasmaniansassmonkey8866

    they should really put mics in those masks

    • @saxmanb777
      @saxmanb777 Год назад

      They do.

    • @jojothetasmaniansassmonkey8866
      @jojothetasmaniansassmonkey8866 Год назад

      @@saxmanb777 doesn't sound like it....should put better mics in them if that's the case

    • @saxmanb777
      @saxmanb777 Год назад

      @@jojothetasmaniansassmonkey8866 obviously it’s not working properly.

  • @BloxyGamezAV
    @BloxyGamezAV Год назад +2

    First

    • @alexmiller7721
      @alexmiller7721 Год назад +5

      I'll bet you posted that just before your laptop caught fire.

    • @BloxyGamezAV
      @BloxyGamezAV Год назад +2

      @@alexmiller7721 ye lol

  • @rc70ys
    @rc70ys Год назад

    Terrible Radio Communication from the Pilots

    • @df446
      @df446 Год назад

      How would you have done it?

  • @malahammer
    @malahammer Год назад

    Oh no and FFS and all of that...not ANOTHER MAX..................oh wait.............🥸

    • @mikeybhoutex
      @mikeybhoutex Год назад +3

      Attempts at humorous MAX comments are old and busted now, you can shelve them, thanks.

    • @malahammer
      @malahammer Год назад

      @@mikeybhoutex tell those that keep posting about the 737....not me 🙄

    • @mikeybhoutex
      @mikeybhoutex Год назад +2

      @@malahammer First, this is not a 737 or MAX issue at all, it was a passenger's laptop battery. Second, the MAX has been fixed. Thirdly, four flight attendants went to the hospital for their work to contain the battery fire, as well as others on the airplane who needed attention due to the smoke or heat/fire. Fourth: this aircraft *could have gone down*, and you're joking about it. Fire on an airplane is not something to take lightly at all.
      Kinda sad you're even making the 'joke'. And yet, I now realize that even though I'm gonna hit send, it's sadder I've replied to you at all. Nobody needs to give you attention if this is your attitude. Good day.

  • @warriormvp
    @warriormvp Год назад +5

    Passenger Biden, H. Biden, ring your call button please!

  • @jonslg240
    @jonslg240 Год назад

    *One day it'll be illegal to come back on 27 instead of 9er when you have a fire on board. I'm SHOCKED that it isn't in place today.*
    So many people have died from not taking the emergency route. Fire is fire. Don't trust the reports you get from the attendants, nor your copilot. Esoecially not your systems. They're not experts regarding fires.

    • @jonslg240
      @jonslg240 Год назад

      Something like that amazes me even more when the standard questions after is "souls on board, fuel on board?"
      It goes to show you the only reason not to come back asap is because it is a huge risk.
      They shouldn't just be doing it at the peril of everyone on board "because it'll be too inconvenient to other pilots and ATC.."

    • @jonslg240
      @jonslg240 Год назад

      So many pilots and passengers have ended up in the dirt because the pilots didn't land immediately because they were too scared to inconvenience the airport.
      Fire on board = land now.
      We don't even allow smoking on board because it effects others health. However we should allow a CHEMICAL fire on board?
      Any pilot who doesn't land immediately after learning about a fire should be fired. Out of a cannon. Into the sun.

    • @saxmanb777
      @saxmanb777 Год назад +1

      Huh?

    • @BlackOpSource
      @BlackOpSource Год назад +5

      Going for 9 from 8000 feet at his position would have been a very, very steep approach and likely would end in a go-around, especially landing downwind. Going for 27 might have taken a little longer but it resulted in actually landing the airplane.

    • @jonslg240
      @jonslg240 Год назад

      They could have made 9 easily in A LOT LESS TIME than it took them to land on 27.
      A LOT LESS time. You know it. You just don't like what I said.