Fire on board. Laptop on fire in aircraft. United Boeing 737 MAX 8 needs immediate return. Real ATC
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- Опубликовано: 18 май 2024
- THIS VIDEO IS A RECONSTRUCTION OF THE FOLLOWING SITUATION IN FLIGHT:
07-FEB-2023. A United Airlines Boeing 737 MAX 8 (B38M), registration N77259, performing flight UAL2664 / UA2664 from San Diego International Airport, CA (USA) to Newark Liberty International Airport, NJ (USA) after departure, about at 8000 feet, declared an emergency, reported laptop on fire in the aircraft and requested immediate return to the airport of departure.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Description of situation
00:17 Initial climb
00:36 Laptop on fire
02:25 UAL2664 is cleared for the visual approach
03:40 United 2664 contacted Tower Controller
04:07 Landing
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THE VALUE OF THIS VIDEO:
THE MAIN VALUE IS EDUCATION. This reconstruction will be useful for actual or future air traffic controllers and pilots, people who plan to connect life with aviation, who like aviation. With help of this video reconstruction you’ll learn how to use radiotelephony rules, Aviation English language and general English language (for people whose native language is not English) in situation in flight, which was shown. THE MAIN REASON I DO THIS IS TO HELP PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND EVERY EMERGENCY SITUATION, EVERY WORD AND EVERY MOVE OF AIRCRAFT.
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Text version of communication - Made by Author.
Video editing - Made by author.
HOW I DO VIDEOS:
1) I monitor media, airspace, looking for any non-standard, emergency and interesting situation.
2) I find communications of ATC unit for the period of time I need.
3) I take only phrases between air traffic controller and selected flight.
4) I find a flight path of selected aircraft.
5) I make an animation (early couple of videos don’t have animation) of flight path and aircraft, where the aircraft goes on his route.
6) When I edit video I put phrases of communications to specific points in video (in tandem with animation).
7) Together with my comments (voice and text) I edit and make a reconstruction of emergency, non-standard and interesting situation in flight.
Austin ATC would have cleared about 5 aircraft to take off runway 27 whilst this guy was on short final.
Brutal but true
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Comment of the thread!
Not to mention letting a southwest push in front of them on the ramp😂
LOL, savage.
Excellently handled by the flight attendants, let's not forget them. Remember we aren't here just to serve you cokes. Flight attendant for 27 years and yes, I work for the company.
Agreed! It is something I wish more people understood. I have never worked specifically on an airline (though I worked in management in airports), but flight attendants are primarily there for the safety of the aircraft and passengers. There is a good reason why faa requirements will not let a flight take off without the proper number of attendants, and it has nothing to do with your drink!
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FIRE THESE PILOTS.
@@jonslg240 why?
@@jonslg240 for WHAT?!?!
Nice to hear the ATC clearly pronouncing all three words of "cleared" "to" and "land", rather than "cledalan".
Excellent ATC. Not only handled the initial situation, but also had to deal with the comms issue. They knew exactly what to do
one would think there would be an innovation to allow pilots to communicate through their oxygen masks
@@Williamb612 the system is set up that the pilots should be able to talk through microphones in the masks. This audio suggests that the pilot did not set it up correctly, or else was too preoccupied and task saturated to be able to switch the setting
@@spelldaddy5386 Guessing PM didn't switch his audio panel from "boom" to "mask". Common thing to miss in a high stress situation
Pretty sure this is older tech which is hanging around in the Max. Airbus automatically cuts over from boom to mask when masks removed from stowage and mic goes to VOX. Think the later generation Boeing airframes might do too.
That's seriously all you have to say? What about the pilot not returning asap when there is a fire on board??
So many pilots and passengers have ended up in the dirt because the pilots didn't land immediately because they were too scared to inconvenience the airport.
Fire on board = land now.
We don't even allow smoking on board because it effects others health. However we should allow a CHEMICAL fire on board?
Any pilot who doesn't land immediately after learning about a fire should be fired. Out of a cannon. Into the sun.
Great job to the flight attendants for putting out the fire and containing the emergency while the pilots and controllers got the plane on the ground. An excellent team response to an emergency!
the comms problem made it sound much more dramatic, glad everything went well!
Also legit made it more dangerous, especially before the tower established that the flight crew could hear them.
@@patheddles4004 The only time it was more dangerous was before dep/arr established that they could hear him, since there was terrain coming up. Otherwise it didn't really matter. They had a serious emergency, everyone was out of their way anyways and twr could have simply given a light signal, if needed.
Although it was initially thought to have been a laptop, it was actually an external battery pack.
The flight attendants were praised for their actions. They were transported by ambulance to the hospital for further evaluation.
2 passengers were treated by paramedics at the scene and declined ambulance transport.
Great approach controller, he also provided the landing clearance
Great, professional and efficient job all round. 👏
Was flying on the same frequency when this happened. Both the pilots and ATC did a great job working together. Thankfully it was a clear morning and they could easily take the visual right back in!
Another amazing job done by ATC!!! I'm telling you, I hear these videos and I get chills.
This channel is great
This comment is great 😁😎👍
@@YouCanSeeATC Would it be possible for you to find the event for AerLingus Flight 93 MCO to MAN on Nov 8 2022?
Emergency divert to DAB after departure for smoke in the cockpit?
EUK93H. G-EILA tail ident
Overweight emergency landing 15-20 after departure on wet runway; Airbus 330
What excellent communications, clear, quick and precise. When I say clear I’m not accounting for the radio issues, that couldn’t be helped. Even when ATC couldn’t hear or understand them, they managed to still communicate they could hear him. I love these videos - for all the shocking stuff we hear; especially of late (Austin TX I’m looking at you!!🤐); it’s nice to get some great examples thrown in of those who actually know what they’re doing!
Great job by all. Flight Attendants - got that shit under control and contained in the lav immediately. They’ll have not long been up too and been concentrating on the drinks trolleys. Pilots acted exactly as they should - take no chances when it comes to fire on board, masks on, fly the plane. Get it on the ground. Excellent return and landing, can imagine those were indeed some hot brakes. ATC wasn’t messing either, no confusion and immediate decision made is what the pilots need in these situations. Didn’t hassle them, let them fly and only gave necessary info. Wasn’t about to ask them to faff about with the radio or speakers, just let them get on with descending - he could see them, could see they were reacting to his commands and had already cleared their flight path. Assisted Tower ATC by repeating CTL in case they were having trouble with one of the frequencies. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Bunch of pros on this. These are the people I want in charge of my plane whenever I’m up there!
Sounds like one of the masks had a bad mic connection somewhere, which only makes it all the better handling from all involved.
Thanks for all the informative videos. One thing that seems to repeat is the extremely poor radio communication with ARFF- in this modern age why does it seem to be so hard to get radio in a fire truck?
Truck radios aren't necessarily as powerful as base stations or aircraft radios...we are hearing what a remote listener is hearing. The involved parties are hearing each other better (give or take the pilots in masks and switched over to external speaker from headsets...brilliant deduction by Tower, pity no-one caught it sooner)
A huge part is also signal path, given that we're hearing a recording from a ground receiver somewhere outside the airport - planes in the air have a clear line of sight to anywhere on the ground, ATC is up the top of a tower, but anything on the apron is a whole different story. Same reason why in these videos you'll often hear a plane's comms suddenly drop in audio quality after they land.
(also +1 Gary on all points)
These are third party recordings from off site. Crews hear each other better since they are closer and signal strength is better.
ATC was perfect
I was expecting them to toss it out the door upon stopping .
Good job by everyone especially the Controller
please do a video on the recent FedEx/Southwest incident in AUS
I believe he did
Dang, wonder what make of laptop this was. Glad they have the fire containment bags.
This should be an ETOPS consideration. Maybe even a jettison drawer may be required?
other sources have it as simply an external battery pack, not any laptop or phone proper
@@ricardokowalski1579 they couldn't jettison anything from the aircraft while it is pressurized. As I understand it, if there is a fire during flight over water, the checklist advises the pilots to prepare to ditch the aircraft if no airports are close enough
@@spelldaddy5386 Yes. You can't. What I'm saying is that for ETOPS aircraft, maybe is time to install a drawer that can be jettisoned.
You can fly 120 minutes on one engine, but can a fire be contained for 120 minutes?
@@ricardokowalski1579 jettison drawer would be nice for all sorts of things, like a bomb with a timer ticking down! =p
But honestly, jokes aside? I believe they should absolutely have something like that on every large commercial aircraft.
I wonder if the flight attendants were able to place the laptop or battery pack in the Electronics Fire Containment Bag that is stored on airliners for this type of emergency. I've seen them many times in the overhead compartments containing the first aid kit, etc.
If they had then there wouldn’t be an emergency.
@@AG-uh9bf That makes sense.
@@philiproseel3506 I believe they did put it in a fire bag, and used a fire extinguisher
Do passenger airliners have fireproof compartments or metal trays or anything like that to isolate items that catch on fire so it doesn't spread?
Edit after watch: sounds like they threw it in the bathroom?
Yes. They have fire containment bags and gloves to place the overheating item in.
They have firebags meant for lithium batteries in addition to extinguishers. Both extinguishers and bags were used in this incident.
Lots of emergencies and close calls in the 121 world in the US and all our safety nets are working perfectly. Love to see it.
That’s a tricky visual approach
4:49 Looks like you switched Tower and United 2664 in the captions!
I’m surprised this doesn’t happen more frequently
Just wait until there’s 100 million electric cars driving around.
Best act ever
This has been on my mind for a whil, what do you do when your way out of range to land, battery fires not good especially lithium
They put it in a fire containment bag.
if my new laptop caught fire through no fault of my own on a plane, who is liable for any potential damages? me, Lenovo, company that manufactured the battery for Lenovo, United or others? just wondering...
you. then you can go after whomever you like
YOU
Anyone who says FIRST in the comments 🙄
You are not liable unless you violated a rule or policy of the airline or ignored an instruction by the crew or you could reasonably know that your device posed an abnormal danger.
Lithium battery fires are a known and accepted risk and even holding the manufacturer liable would be difficult unless you could prove negligence.
Airlines have safety procedures in place that seemed to have worked. It would be interesting to know the nature of the injuries
Theoretically the airline can sue the passenger. A homeowner’s policy would most likely provide counsel to defend the passenger. The airline would have to prove negligence, like using a non approved aftermarket battery. I doubt the airline would sue because of the bad PR.
Whoever had that laptop was probably wishing they hadn't gotten it off of Alibaba for 60 dollars shipping included 😂
Wondering if it would make sense for aircraft to have some sort of fire containment vault onboard. I'd assume there's at least a cellphone per passenger nowadays, plus headphones, laptops, tablets, battery packs, etc.
They do
A laptop actually caught fire. How does that even happen
It might be a consideration to have a fireproof bag on board aircraft.
We do. That’s what the flight attendants used.
We have two.
@@MsSuperfa Can I have one?
I wonder what the issue was with the radio
sounds like they were on masks
Oxygen masks
probably the pilot monitoring oxygen mask had a bad wire connected to its mic. the pilot flying ox mask sounded normal.
Sounds like the pilot forgot to flip the switch to his oxygen mask
@@cdesha username checks the fuck out lol
Laptop users: "It's portable though!"
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Do modern aircraft need the ability to dump stuff overboard?
Cabin pressure ?
@@anglewoodsdashcamfootageso2779 Yes, that's a particular issue, and is why something designed for the purpose is required.
@@sylviaelse5086 it is a dilemma because you can open the cargo door but then the passenger will need an oxygen mask.
The oxygen mask only has approximately 14/15 minutes of air available.
The legality of throwing stuff overboard?
The altitude of a jet engine plane?
Not saying it is not possible but what I am saying is it brings more questions than answers.
@@anglewoodsdashcamfootageso2779 I'm really thinking of a response to the fact that passengers these days are carrying things that sometimes spontaneously catch fire - mainly laptops, tablets, and smart phones. An airlock style system capable of handling such objects would go a long way to addressing the hazard they represent, especially when the aircraft is an extended time from an airport. The law prohibiting throwing things out of an aircraft would not apply in the case of a fire emergency.
It would not be possible to throw something overboard with a pressurized cabin. There are procedures in place for in flight fires, both for pilots and cabin crew, and they tend to work pretty well. Coffee makers and ovens create many smoke incidents on board aircraft, but airlines still serve coffee and hot food, because they trust the systems in place to mitigate danger. Same thing with electronics
Please please please don't be an Apple Mac Book.
Why do they always ask how many people on board? Can't they look that up themselves? Everything is computerized now. Do they really expect the pilots to go take a head count?
That information is not available on a computer accessible by ATC.
ATC doesn't have the manifest. The pilots do. A head count is not required.
Because if the plane is on fire when it lands, the fire team needs to know how many people to save. If you're a passenger stuck in your seat dying of smoke inhalation, you don't want the firefighters going, "Sooooo that's probably it, right? That's a lot of people." You want them COUNTING how many passengers are off the plane. And no, ATC doesn't have the number of passengers on the 8000 planes in the sky over the US at any given time. The pilot is given the number of passengers by the gate agent before the plane takes off.
The passenger count can change at the gate at the last minute. The only accurate number is written on a piece of paper in the flight deck.
Its only a matter of time before these bloody batteries cause a loaded airline passenger jet to crash and burn.
Thankfully excellent crew response prevented this flight from having a deadly crash.
It's already happened. Remember the crash into the Florida Everglades many years ago? That one is a difficult CVR to listen to.
@@robmonkey eastern?
@@robmonkey Actually that was in 1996, and the fire was caused by chemical oxygen generators that were illegally put in the cargo hold (not batteries). The airline was known for such lax safety and aggressive cost-cutting that the US military wouldn't allow it to fly soldiers. Still really tragic for those who perished in fear. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ValuJet_Flight_592
Why is it always MacBooks that spontaneously combust like that? Even cheap Chromebooks don’t have this issue.
My local electricians demonstrated why the Apple magsafe bla bla chargers catch fire easily. The detachable part of the charger cannot ever be attached as good as it should be, plus the weight of that big magsafe block doesn't allow the plug to sit in the socket horizontally enough. According to them it's a horrible and unsafe design.
Idk about the laptop itself, but when I had to call an electrician because of my MacBook charger going up in flames and destroying a socket.... I started telling them about the charger accident without specifying the device, and the electrician was like "ah, a MacBook charger, right?" It turns out many of his jobs are just fixing stuff after MacBook chargers blowing up. lol
It always amazes me that in the 21st-century, there is no better way to communicate and the audio quality is still that bad.
Audio quality isn't that bad. These recordings are always pulled from an off-site receiver, so you're not hearing quite what ATC, ARFF, or the crew are hearing.
@@BlackOpSource Still . . . a VHF-AM, simplex radio system that has changed little in decades. There are better options.
@@df446 Are there though? Replacing what we have would require international agreement and retrofitting hundreds of thousands of aircraft, never mind all the ground facilities. The logistics of such a proposal are enormous, all to replace something that works fine.
they should really put mics in those masks
They do.
@@saxmanb777 doesn't sound like it....should put better mics in them if that's the case
@@jojothetasmaniansassmonkey8866 obviously it’s not working properly.
First
I'll bet you posted that just before your laptop caught fire.
@@alexmiller7721 ye lol
Terrible Radio Communication from the Pilots
How would you have done it?
Oh no and FFS and all of that...not ANOTHER MAX..................oh wait.............🥸
Attempts at humorous MAX comments are old and busted now, you can shelve them, thanks.
@@mikeybhoutex tell those that keep posting about the 737....not me 🙄
@@malahammer First, this is not a 737 or MAX issue at all, it was a passenger's laptop battery. Second, the MAX has been fixed. Thirdly, four flight attendants went to the hospital for their work to contain the battery fire, as well as others on the airplane who needed attention due to the smoke or heat/fire. Fourth: this aircraft *could have gone down*, and you're joking about it. Fire on an airplane is not something to take lightly at all.
Kinda sad you're even making the 'joke'. And yet, I now realize that even though I'm gonna hit send, it's sadder I've replied to you at all. Nobody needs to give you attention if this is your attitude. Good day.
Passenger Biden, H. Biden, ring your call button please!
beat me to it LOL
*One day it'll be illegal to come back on 27 instead of 9er when you have a fire on board. I'm SHOCKED that it isn't in place today.*
So many people have died from not taking the emergency route. Fire is fire. Don't trust the reports you get from the attendants, nor your copilot. Esoecially not your systems. They're not experts regarding fires.
Something like that amazes me even more when the standard questions after is "souls on board, fuel on board?"
It goes to show you the only reason not to come back asap is because it is a huge risk.
They shouldn't just be doing it at the peril of everyone on board "because it'll be too inconvenient to other pilots and ATC.."
So many pilots and passengers have ended up in the dirt because the pilots didn't land immediately because they were too scared to inconvenience the airport.
Fire on board = land now.
We don't even allow smoking on board because it effects others health. However we should allow a CHEMICAL fire on board?
Any pilot who doesn't land immediately after learning about a fire should be fired. Out of a cannon. Into the sun.
Huh?
Going for 9 from 8000 feet at his position would have been a very, very steep approach and likely would end in a go-around, especially landing downwind. Going for 27 might have taken a little longer but it resulted in actually landing the airplane.
They could have made 9 easily in A LOT LESS TIME than it took them to land on 27.
A LOT LESS time. You know it. You just don't like what I said.