The Ancient Understanding of Baptism as Washing and Regeneration

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  • Опубликовано: 23 дек 2024

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  • @redeemedzoomer6053
    @redeemedzoomer6053 2 года назад +13

    Thank you for teaching the actual Reformed view of Baptism instead of saying it's just a sign/symbol

  • @BrockSamson18
    @BrockSamson18 5 месяцев назад +1

    Ancient, Biblical, Holy Spirit-led, apostlical, reasonable, and the proper understanding for the Christian. Joachim Jeremias' book, "Infant Baptism in the First Four Centuries" effectively lays out the evidence that the church was had this understanding since the moment of Pentecost.

  • @Biblia1
    @Biblia1 2 года назад

    When we see the Greek carefully, it doesn’t seem to state what was read. Martyr talks about illumination, repentance, believing, praying and fasting before being bathed.

  • @SpotterVideo
    @SpotterVideo Год назад +1

    Old Covenant Baptism vs. New Covenant Baptism (water vs. Spirit)
    Water baptism was a part of the Old Covenant system of ritual washing. The Old Covenant priests had to wash before beginning their service in the temple. (Ex. 30:17-30) When Christ was water baptized by His cousin John in the Jordan River, He was under the Old Covenant system. He also only ate certain foods, and wore certain clothes, as prescribed by the 613 Old Covenant laws. Christ was water baptized by John and then the Holy Spirit came from heaven. (Acts 10:38) The order is reversed in the New Covenant. A person receives the Holy Spirit upon conversion, and then believers often declare their conversion to their friends and family through a water baptism ceremony. Which baptism makes you a member of Christ’s Church?
    The New Covenant conversion process is described below. (Born-again)
    Eph 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
    Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
    (A person must “hear” the Gospel, and “believe” the Gospel, and will then be “sealed” with the Holy Spirit.)
    Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
    (See Jer. 31:34 for the New Covenant promise, and 1 John 2:27 for the fulfillment)
    ============
    Which baptism is a part of the salvation process, based on what the Bible says?
    What did Peter say below?
    Acts 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
    Acts 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
    Based on Luke 3:16, and John 1:33, and Acts 11:15-16, the most important thing about the word "baptize" in the New Testament has nothing to do with water. The Holy Spirit is the master teacher promised to New Covenant believers in Jeremiah 31:34, and John 14:26, and is found fulfilled in Ephesians 1:13, and 1 John 2:27. Unfortunately, many modern Christians see water/ every time they read the word "baptize" in the text.
    Based on the above, what is the one baptism of our faith found in the passage below? How many times is the word "Spirit" found in the passage, and how many times is the word "water" found in the passage?
    Eph 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
    Eph 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
    Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
    Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
    Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, (See 1 Cor. 12:13)
    “baptize” KJV
    Mat_3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
    Mar_1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
    Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (Water or Holy Spirit?, See Eph. 1-13.)
    Luk_3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:
    Joh_1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;
    Joh_1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
    1Co_1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
    1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. (See Eph. 4:1-5)
    Heb 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. (Old Covenant ----> New Covenant)
    How many people have been saved by the Old Covenant water baptism of John the Baptist?
    Who did John the Baptist say is the greatest Baptist that ever lived in Luke 3:16? What kind of New Covenant baptism comes from Christ?
    Hebrews 9:10 Old Covenant vs. New Covenant
    (ESV) but deal only with food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation.
    (Geneva) Which only stood in meates and drinkes, and diuers washings, and carnal rites, which were inioyned, vntill the time of reformation.
    (GW) These gifts and sacrifices were meant to be food, drink, and items used in various purification ceremonies. These ceremonies were required for the body until God would establish a new way of doing things.
    (KJV) Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
    (KJV+) Which stood onlyG3440 inG1909 meatsG1033 andG2532 drinks,G4188 andG2532 diversG1313 washings,G909 andG2532 carnalG4561 ordinances,G1345 imposedG1945 on them untilG3360 the timeG2540 of reformation.G1357
    (NKJV) concerned only with foods and drinks, various washings, and fleshly ordinances imposed until the time of reformation.
    (NLT) For that old system deals only with food and drink and various cleansing ceremonies-physical regulations that were in effect only until a better system could be established.
    (YLT) only in victuals, and drinks, and different baptisms, and fleshly ordinances-till the time of reformation imposed upon them .

  • @heresyhunters
    @heresyhunters 2 месяца назад +1

    We confess and teach that holy baptism, when given and received according to the Lord’s command, is in the case of adults and of young children truly a baptism of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit, whereby those who are baptized have all their sins washed away, are buried into the death of our Lord Jesus Christ, are incorporated into him, and put on him for a new and godly life and the blessed resurrection, and through him become children and heirs of God.
    -- John Calvin & Martin Bucer, Brief Summary of Christian Doctrine and Religion Taught at Strasbourg

  • @zacheaston6727
    @zacheaston6727 2 года назад +4

    Baptismal regeneration of elect infants by Cornelius Burges is a great book

  • @robertnieten7259
    @robertnieten7259 8 месяцев назад

    Baptismal regeneration does occur during water baptism. The word "regeneration"in the original Greek means to return something to its original state.
    This occurs because of the shed blood of Christ by the Holy Spirit and is what remission of sins is.
    During water baptism, the Holy Spirit circumcises our conscience, removing the guilt from wilful sin , returning our conscience to its original state, which is that of a childs'.
    In Hebrews, the writer says that under the old covenant ,the blood of bulls and goats was ineffective in dealing with " consciousness of sin" which is guilt ( Heb.10:2).
    The shed blood of animals only covered our guilt temporarily. That is why the Spirit of God entered the Holy Of Holies He only remains temporarily.
    Once our conscience is regenerated during water baptism, under the new covenant ,the Holy Spirit enters the "temple" of our body and remains there.
    This is the "anointing that abideth"( 1John 2:27).

  • @LeoRegum
    @LeoRegum 2 года назад +2

    If Tertullian really did view the baptism of all believers' children as apostolic, why would he be speaking against the practice?

    • @charleskramer8995
      @charleskramer8995 9 месяцев назад

      He recommends against the practice because he denies that there can be repentance for serious sin after baptism. Therefore, he recommends, but does not require that baptism be delayed as late as possible so that post-baptismal sin would cause a permanent loss of salvation.

    • @LeoRegum
      @LeoRegum 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@charleskramer8995 Then he is implicitly condemning the apostles for their imprudential baptismal practice. But that’s absurd, no pious man would do that.

    • @Awoody1987
      @Awoody1987 3 месяца назад

      @@LeoRegum Would a pious man follow Montanus when he introduced new revelations which made Christianity less forgiving?

  • @IAmisMaster
    @IAmisMaster 3 года назад +9

    It's funny. When it comes to interpreting Justin Martyr, we are warned to not go by first glance but to make sure we guard against anachronism. But no one is told to guard against anachronism when blindly accepting Luther and Calvin's view on justification being wholely separate from all works of any kind, a view completely absent from any early church father's interpretation of Paul.
    But though you accept Luther's view on justification, now you want us also to ignore Luther's view on baptism, even though Peter literally says "baptism now saves you" (1 Peter 3:21) and there is no evidence of any early church father believing baptism doesn't save. In fact, the Council of Nicea literally reads "one baptism for the remission of sins."

    • @farainyika2365
      @farainyika2365 2 года назад

      Council of Nicea? The same one that gave us this bogus doctrine of a Trinity?

  • @DanSme1
    @DanSme1 3 года назад

    Former BAPTIZED Roman Catholic here…who was genuinely born of God the Holy Spirit (John 3:5-8) twenty years after water baptism. That “flesh gives birth to flesh” (v.6) parallels “born of water” (v.5) is the intent of the author.
    The use of water as agent of cleansing and renewal is seen as early as Genesis 18:4 and 19:2 in the biblical account of the ancient world. I contend, the custom carries a significant primal psychological and emotional power in conveying the concepts of “clean” and “unclean” in both the moral and ontological sense that had been lost since the events of Genesis 3. The device of “washing(s)” is further developed by God and incorporated heavily into the Israel’s Mosaic Covenant (Exodus), marking the only genuine system of outward ceremonies that are spiritually endowed by God.
    That traditional Protestants mimicked Catholicism/Church Fathers, who mimicked the Jewish Apostles, who mimicked Judaism, is clear to those who’ve studied Church history.

  • @stevesizemore6274
    @stevesizemore6274 3 года назад +5

    In the past 20 to 25 years, the PCA and OPC increasingly have had baptismal regeneration taught.

    • @wylian84
      @wylian84 3 года назад +1

      Interesting

    • @IAmisMaster
      @IAmisMaster 2 года назад +3

      Wow, facinating that PCA and OPC have increasingly taught something correct for a change.

    • @tjs.5044
      @tjs.5044 2 года назад +4

      What are you talking about. Literally the opposite has happened. Most modern Presbies have wandered from the confessional Reformed view of baptism toward the Baptist view of baptism. John Knox described Baptism as a means of salvation. The spiritual reality of the sacramental union of Baptism is salvific and can be rightly ascribed the term baptism. Therefore baptism does save.

    • @redeemedzoomer6053
      @redeemedzoomer6053 2 года назад

      @@tjs.5044 yes thank you!

    • @SpotterVideo
      @SpotterVideo Год назад

      Old Covenant Baptism vs. New Covenant Baptism (water vs. Spirit)
      Water baptism was a part of the Old Covenant system of ritual washing. The Old Covenant priests had to wash before beginning their service in the temple. (Ex. 30:17-30) When Christ was water baptized by His cousin John in the Jordan River, He was under the Old Covenant system. He also only ate certain foods, and wore certain clothes, as prescribed by the 613 Old Covenant laws. Christ was water baptized by John and then the Holy Spirit came from heaven. (Acts 10:38) The order is reversed in the New Covenant. A person receives the Holy Spirit upon conversion, and then believers often declare their conversion to their friends and family through a water baptism ceremony. Which baptism makes you a member of Christ’s Church?
      The New Covenant conversion process is described below. (Born-again)
      Eph 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
      Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
      (A person must “hear” the Gospel, and “believe” the Gospel, and will then be “sealed” with the Holy Spirit.)
      Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
      (See Jer. 31:34 for the New Covenant promise, and 1 John 2:27 for the fulfillment)
      ============
      Which baptism is a part of the salvation process, based on what the Bible says?
      What did Peter say below?
      Acts 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
      Acts 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
      Based on Luke 3:16, and John 1:33, and Acts 11:15-16, the most important thing about the word "baptize" in the New Testament has nothing to do with water. The Holy Spirit is the master teacher promised to New Covenant believers in Jeremiah 31:34, and John 14:26, and is found fulfilled in Ephesians 1:13, and 1 John 2:27. Unfortunately, many modern Christians see water/ every time they read the word "baptize" in the text.
      Based on the above, what is the one baptism of our faith found in the passage below? How many times is the word "Spirit" found in the passage, and how many times is the word "water" found in the passage?
      Eph 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
      Eph 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
      Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
      Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
      Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, (See 1 Cor. 12:13)
      “baptize” KJV
      Mat_3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
      Mar_1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
      Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (Water or Holy Spirit?, See Eph. 1-13.)
      Luk_3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:
      Joh_1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;
      Joh_1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
      1Co_1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
      1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. (See Eph. 4:1-5)
      Heb 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. (Old Covenant ----> New Covenant)
      How many people have been saved by the Old Covenant water baptism of John the Baptist?
      Who did John the Baptist say is the greatest Baptist that ever lived in Luke 3:16? What kind of New Covenant baptism comes from Christ?
      Hebrews 9:10 Old Covenant vs. New Covenant
      (ESV) but deal only with food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation.
      (Geneva) Which only stood in meates and drinkes, and diuers washings, and carnal rites, which were inioyned, vntill the time of reformation.
      (GW) These gifts and sacrifices were meant to be food, drink, and items used in various purification ceremonies. These ceremonies were required for the body until God would establish a new way of doing things.
      (KJV) Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
      (KJV+) Which stood onlyG3440 inG1909 meatsG1033 andG2532 drinks,G4188 andG2532 diversG1313 washings,G909 andG2532 carnalG4561 ordinances,G1345 imposedG1945 on them untilG3360 the timeG2540 of reformation.G1357
      (NKJV) concerned only with foods and drinks, various washings, and fleshly ordinances imposed until the time of reformation.
      (NLT) For that old system deals only with food and drink and various cleansing ceremonies-physical regulations that were in effect only until a better system could be established.
      (YLT) only in victuals, and drinks, and different baptisms, and fleshly ordinances-till the time of reformation imposed upon them .

  • @Ryan_Zell
    @Ryan_Zell 4 года назад +1

    Protestant Scripture Twister Series #10 - 1 Peter 3:21 Baptism Now Saves You
    ruclips.net/video/-Z5nlsPeSJE/видео.html