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I was completely won over by the movie when Poe shouts “Books!” And runs to the bookcase with open arms. Christian Bale is always amazing, but Henry Melling was absolutely incredible in this movie. You couldn’t tear your eyes away every time he was on screen.
I think Poe and Detective Landor was a split representation of Edgar Allan Poe himself: Landor was forbidden to drink within the Academy as he was told "his reputation precedes him" (Poe was in fact an alcoholic) and Cadet Poe solved the true murderer at the end of the story, making him a detective of his own.
My thoughts as well! Landor is very reminiscent of the kinds of characters Poe was known to write. He was known for writing murderers that try justifying their actions within their heads, though in Landor's case he was arguably more sympathetic than Poe's usual murderous characters, and was also well known for his detective characters (especially with C. August Dupine).
And Poe told Landor that if he meant to kill every person that had make him suffer half the school would've been death...i think that was a nice clue/foreshadowing about them
Poe wasn't in fact alcoholic. There are many theories. He may or may have not drank more from time to time depending on his life circumstances, but his image is surrounded by myths nowadays. Rufus Griswald has to do with all of that. He is to blame for many things. I just needed to say it. Don't take this as mean or anything like that! Not at all! I like to share my investigations. If you ever have the chance (or the wants) take a further look at the writer's life. You will find many things. 😁
This felt like a real movie, if you understand what I mean. If not, way back when we used to see movies knowing close to nothing about its premises, not even the whole cast. From time to time, we were gifted with a great ensemble of great actors playing a good story. This was it.
It felt like a real movie because it felt both fresh and authentic. The amount of research needed to write a period authentic dialogue must have been massive.
Another important point was that Ballinger was castrated which suggests a much more personal reason behind the murder. Also, I want to believe that Landor wanted to confess and that's why he left the note with Poe or at least didn't alter his handwriting. I think the guilt of what he devolved into bothered him and he needed to get itnoff his chest. But the most important lesson is do not confide in hookers!
Your first sentence, regarding motive, is spot on. Even though I had read the novel years ago, I had either forgotten this "clue", or had missed it altogether during my first watch (I've now watched it five times--for so many "Easter eggs", etc.). Currently, I am re-reading Bayard's novel for these details, and others, and have found that much of the film dialog is word for word from the novel which says to me that certain elements were prized for their dramatic effect, script-wise. While reading, I sense none other than the presence of Bale's Landor, and Melling's Poe; these two actors literally inhabit the characters they play, bringing life to mere words, overriding any images or thoughts regarding them during prior readings.
Landor might have "let go" of his daughter's demise, but I feel that he would eventually become tormented by her memory once more, and set out to find, and dispatch, Stoddard.
In the book, Landor's writing the book as a 'confession' of sorts shortly before he kills himself. He ends it by claiming that a mysterious individual some time after the events of the main story sent him a newspaper clipping of Stoddard being found hanged, with the implication being that Poe eventually hunted him down and murdered him.
@@ThymeBottle I get that the siblings were not murders as they just used the dead body to get the heart but surely they were going to kill Poe and that’s why they also justified to die right?
@@nancyjones5971 When no more dead bodies were to be utilized, and with officials suspecting, and classmates skeptical of the odd Mr. Poe, it must have seemed right in the siblings' minds to dispense with him, to let others believe him to have become a victim of the madman at large. I feel that Artemus, however, was on to Poe's connection with Landor, whom he was wary of, and this bolstered his decision to whittle on the poet/cadet as his sister's seizures became more frequent. Lucy picked Poe's brain for details about the occult, how much he may have been involved with it, and this satisfied her desire to use him as she, herself, was so entrenched in it. She saw in him a naïve Romantic and a "lamb to the slaughter", the virginal component such blood-letting rituals demanded.
I like the line where Poe looks over Landon’s bookshelf and insults James Fennore Cooper, then the cliffside where his daughter’s suicide totally reminded me of the scene in Last of The Mohicans where Alice does the same thing. Nice subtle foreshadowing,
Poe was very much critical of a 'national literature' which he felt was limiting, jingoistic, and didactic. Known as "The Tomahawk Man" for his often scathing, cutting, critiques of contemporaneous American writers (those being 'puffed' by fellow writers, editors, and publishers in exchange for literary favors, particularly met his ire--Rufus W. Griswold, as prime example), he purposely left the settings in many of his own tales ambiguous, and often seemingly European. In doing so, he felt that American literature would garner a greater, worldwide appreciation--monetarily, not excluded--rather than die on the vine in the United States in ignominy or disregard. He may have been considering, too, his legacy, or immortality among the great works of literature. Conversely, at the time that he was championing copyright laws in the United States and abroad (he sided with Dickens on this matter, and asked his help with British publishers, which was not forthcoming for various reasons, one of which is found in their mutual correspondence), publishers in the United States were literally stealing literary works from British and European authors for print in their magazines and books; meanwhile, the same was being done abroad to American authors, including Poe, which is why Baudelaire and other French authors became so familiar with and influenced by Poe's works. Most of this foreign adulation came, unfortunately, after Poe's untimely death; he profited very little from his literary efforts, here and abroad, during his short lifetime.
It´s a good movie but the flaws are actually in the character of Poe´s as he is depicted here. It´s really been a long time since I read Poe, but what I recall of his theory of literature is that the art of writing is a painstaking process of looking for the right words to evoke the right effects. (Much like Kafka btw.) He perceived his inspiration by the waking eye, not by "my mother" nor "in my sleep". Poe was also an essayist who criticized the works of his contemporary writers in harsh words - that´s how he made powerful enemies and that´s why his person and work are overshadowed by prejudice up to this day. - But, as I said, I like this movie for some reasons. It can be read as a tribute to Poe as the inventor of short stories and crime stories, especially - decades ahead of Doyle and others.
While I was watching the film. I literally told my dad that “what if they made a movie where the detective was the killer at the end..” You can imagine my reaction when they revealed the actual killer of the murders… The Plot twist was one I didn’t think Netflix had the balls to do, yet they did!
I just saw it, what a movie! I thought the mystery was all tied up at 1hr 40mins. Nearly turned it off, I was not expecting that twist ending. Loved it!
Very good movie. If you're a Poe fan/reader, as soon as the first heart is removed (and the title), you'll immediately think of the. From the start, I knew that Landor (Bale) was the murderer, however, I thought that he had murdered his daughter not the cadets, so I was surprised by this twist. I hope that Landor didn't commit suicide, as I can see other murder mysteries being solved by this character. Bale is an excellent actor having performed in 2 of my favorite movies, "American Psycho" and "The Machinist," and he doesn't disappoint in this movie. Harry Melling is an excellent Poe, and his resemblance to photos of Poe are uncanny. Unfortunately, I was a bit underwhelmed by the performances of Gillian Anderson and Lucy Boynton. It was also a treat to see Robert Duvall twice on the screen as Jean-Pepe. Hoping there may be more Landor period-piece mysteries.
I think he did jump. Not really much to see that he realized there is "more to life". I took the letting go of the cloth not as an acceptance of her death but a sign of her being avenged. That she can now rip. I also think Landor was guilty of what he had done. Not only to the rapist but of Artemis and Lea and their family. At his core he believes murder to be wrong. Thats why he allowed Edgar to find out and turn him in. Not having this closure sentenced on him by Edgar must have made him feel even more guilty.
@@jjjyli686 He did say he doesn't have the power and will anymore as an old man. In the books, before he die, he did receive a news from mysterious source that Stoddard was found dead hanging himself, with the implication it was Poe who finished the deed.
I honestly think he let go of himself. Letting go of his past shows by his actions in the movie, didn’t end well for those dudes that messed with Batman. But at the same time, letting himself go gave true to the words of Poe when he said I will write a poem of you… Let that be your next mystery. Great movie, definitely recommend!!!
I have a theory about this film. *SPOILERS* I think Landor killed all 3 of the boys. When we come to know about Stoddard gone missing, it was Landor who says that Landor himself checked the barracks and he declares that the boy ran off. Superintendent & Captain never questioned him. Landor is not they type of person who will find solace in fate or would let his revenge remain incomplete. I am sure Landor abducted Stoddard and kept him in some place. And must have killed him after Edgar's confrontation. The final scene also solidify this theory as he bids goodbye to her daughter and says, "Rest, my love" denotes that he accomplished his revenge in full form.
I'm so grateful for this video because you have saved me the trouble of watching the movie. As much as I admire the actors and the premise, the highlighted plot points would be enough to make me give up on this movie.
Whose heart is it in the second ritual (in the finale)? We're led to believe it is Ballinger's heart, but we later learn that Landor cut B's heart out to make it look like Ballinger was murdered by the occultists. Did Atemis and Lea keep Fry's heart for over a month? I thought they "used" (ate) it in the first ritual.
I think there are just plotholes. It's confusing because Poe's character was going to be part of the ritual as a sacrifice. Meaning the first ritual would've also required a sacrifice. I don't see how the first ritual was done since they only had his heart and nobody in the movie was murdered by them. Only Ballinger and Artemus were murdered, and it was committed by Landor. And also I thought they needed an animal not eaten by Christians, the heart of unbaptized child and the heart of a unhanged man. Idk maybe they only needed one of those 3 to qualify? But then why did they need a sacrifice? Either it's a huge plothole, or Lea was just crazy and dumb and thought she was doing it correctly when she wasn't.
Another clue to Landor's guilt (that Poe probably didn't notice due to the situation he was in at the time) was that Landor actually says "is that Fry's heart?" when he busts them mid ceremony. I don't know why Poe was considered an acceptable sacrifice but there may have been more to it than the short exerpt we were given from the book. I suppose any human would do though really, as we're not animals eaten by christians.
The heart they used in the final ritual attempt is Fry's, Landor only tore out Ballinger's heart to make it seems like a work of satanist/witches. He probably threw the heart away.
@@zackjackson397 What bothers me is Poe defending Lea at the end with all the 'they will not be forgotten' talk and love this and that... like... dude, they WERE GOING TO KILL YOU.
@@yazr1712 they also didn't do a good job conveying how much time they spent together. One meaningful conversation and that's it. While Landor had multiple and saved his life twice.
@yaz r I’m not sure what you mean, they didn’t show any of that, also even when he’s being rescued he wasn’t yelling or fussing to be released, he happily obliged to the request made, lotta people give themselves to the one they love which he obviously did
@@Redacted724 i mean if there is a detective who you know knows the jig is up for you first instinct is to take the blame rather than plead innocent. Better have your sick sister be clean for good rather than always marked as suspicious for your entire family (especially when they were ready to kill Poe)
@ greatfriends yeah it’s inexplicable a lot of potholes in storyline, I was agreeing with the other commenter about it leaving us clueless as to which first or second murder belonged to whom, as they were done by different people with only Batman admitting to the one he did, but he admitted he did a copycat murder implying the first was not done by him. He wasn’t the “killer” of the cadetes but the story lines and scenes and ending make it appear as if it were him all along
Both killings were done by Batman, he confesses that to Poe. The siblings took out the first heart (of Fry) and he took out the second heart (Ballinger's)
He did both. He only admitted to the second being sloppy because he copied what happened to the first body. The first victim he killed had his body scavenged and he replicated it but as he said it was hard for an old man.
okay so idk if anyone knows this but I've been trying to find this out since i finished the movie. what is he using to bludgeon the soldiers like I cant understand what is is at all any help would be appreciated
One thing I am confused about is if Lea and Artemus wouldn't kill but only removed the hearts of already dead bodies, why would they suddenly be willing to tie Poe up and kill him in a ritual sacrifice?
It’s worth the watch but you can tell that it couldn’t have been originally written to be seen out of order. I think a few tweaks would have made it a classic. It had too many useless characters and also underdeveloped characters and side plots. I couldn’t understand why Ava broke so easily over a deportation threat. Also Judy and Stan weren’t consistent and Really Leo/Ryan’s whole reason for revenge was kinda weak.
Plot-wise, no not really. Both have Poe assisting a detective with his enquiries but other than that there's not much similarity in the plot or the killers. I like both films and think they feel like they both exist in the same world.
"I'm Batman." Ah, Christian Bale, and another Poe tie-in. This is a fun fact: The two collaborators on the original Batman comic book, i.e., the very first, were said to have come up with their ideas for the dark, caped crusader while sitting in Poe Park--in the Bronx, where the last home in which Poe lived (his ideal for Landor's Cottage, the cottage of Poe's wife Virginia's acrostic valentine poem to him, and where she died) was moved from its original setting across the road in order to save it from demolition. It is said to be the last remaining workman's cottage of its kind left within the region of New York City.
He may have said, rest easy my love, or whatever he said, because he was ending his life and his suffering so that she may rest in peace as well, and letting go of her cloth was him symbolically letting go of his life which was his wife and daughter and all his suffering which gave him peace before falling to his death.
I don't think Landor jumped at the end, but wonder if he recovered and hid his daughter's body? If her body was found then the story that she ran away with a man would not hold.
I surprised Landor let Poe go, especially since Poe figured out who the *real* killer is. By that, Poe learned it was Landor hanging those men, and because of the Marquises dark secret project, he saw them as the perfect scapegoats to take the fall for his crime. Sure what the Marquises were doing was super fucked up by literally stealing those men’s hearts, but they weren’t the killing them. And Poe let Landor have an innocent family take the blame for his actions. If I were Landor, I would have to kill Poe, a true criminal mastermind would try to get rid of all the evidences.
what bothers me is how landor figure out that it's witchcraft just after seeing fry's body, because he said he also killed the goat and the cow and that was before him meeting his friend pepe and poe reading the ritual requirements which involved the animals parts!! did they edited it too soon or landor is super genius?
Good point though. Another detail I found quite contradictory is when poe said at the end that lea and arthemis didn’t intend to kill anyone, all they wanted was their hearts for the rituals but you (landor) you killed. When actually lea and her brother were about to kill poe to get his heart, does that not make them murderers?
What I don't understand is how did Landor find the Marquis performing the ritual on Poe? Is that a plot hole or was I just not paying enough attention?
Harry Melling the spoiled fat Dudley from the potter series. He wore a fat suit in the last film. I’ve now seen him in four or five films. This performance was riveting. Yes, Daniel Radcliffe Is a good actor, but Harry Melling is a revelation. This was a top notch performance.
I know this is wrong now but I thought Poe was the third member to r*pe Mathilda and it was a big ol twist, especially as he intentionally lied about talking to them both - then Bale says at the end that person will have to look over their shoulder the rest of their life, then the burning of the note seemed like a mutual - well we've got each other now
Leave it to Christian Bale-to make a movie with the gravediggers who use body parts are the good people in this movie. The Occult are the good guys.?!?!
In the 1800s, even being seen with a man alone as a woman ruined you and your family 's reputation. So it didn't really matter if the men did or didn't. In "Pride and Prejudice", Lizzy running off with her bf, unmarried, is enough to ruin every sister's option to get married. Ridiculous by today's standards.
Glad the the father took matters in his hands. Raping his daughter that's what a real father do stands up for his daughter and hold those guys responsible
The ending of this movie was comical. Poe, basically a cuck, about to sacrifice himself for the woman he loves, then becomes an insightful crime solver. Really did not feel that leap.
What are the coincidences that may bring together a vengeful killer with a sick girl who needs rituals in order to justify his crime? This is where the movie died in my opinion. And there was a lack of script.
@@rafaelbrisolara7599 yes in younger people eyes only . we all know the world are having huge lack of scenareest of Screenwriters . thats a big gab .and thats why everyone say why we have lousy movies these days.
I liked the movie simply for the fact that they told a story without going out of their way to include diversity, strong female characters and LGTVQHD+ like in so many other movies.
The movie was bad, the "twist" was predictable and over acting from the cast is just unbearable. It's a shame, because this move had potential to be one of the year's best. Great vid, as always
The movie is great, you surely don't understand a thing about movies, do you? Christian Bale and Harry Mellings were great at this movie and I doubt you really predicted the twist, it's easy to say that after watching a video explaining it :v
@@rafaelbrisolara7599 Yeah, the kid from the internet told me I don't understand a thing about movies. How old are you? 12? Is this your like 10th movie in life?
You know what, I was really enjoying the film and thought it was actually really good up until the second it began adding in the sacrifice, talking to the devil because she has seizures etc etc and that whole thing felt like a cheap, shit horror movie cliche and then I checked out. Felt it was a strong 7.5/8 out of 10, but that nonsense took it down to a 5.5/6
Had you expected a film including the character of Edgar Allen Poe NOT to include elements of occult practices (it is never shown that anything supernatural IS actually happening after all)? Really? I was rather surprised with The Raven having so little of it.
@@sorscha1308 I don't have an issue with the intention, but I felt the execution was very poor and couldve been handled alot better. Felt very tacky and I also found Gillian Andersons acting kinda lame for this period as well. Was definitely a weak point to the movie for me
This movie promotes suicidal thoughts. Its like they give you a reason to dye for. there's nothing worth dying for. You must have hope for life and keep on living. You can't stay in the past!
What did you think of "The Pale Blue Eye's" ambiguous ending?
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I liked it, especially the acting by the two main actors.
Tbh. I didn't realize he didn't jump until you said something 🤣
Director said he didn’t jump, for anyone wondering
I was completely won over by the movie when Poe shouts “Books!” And runs to the bookcase with open arms. Christian Bale is always amazing, but Henry Melling was absolutely incredible in this movie. You couldn’t tear your eyes away every time he was on screen.
Remarkable that he played Dudley Dursley in the Harry Potter films!
He's terrific as Edgar
fell in love with Melling here. def looking out for more of his future work
@@frishdawgz have you had the chance to see him in Buster Scruggs or the Queen’s Gambit yet? He was incredible in those.
@@cosa_oscura Scruggs needs a rewatch and QG is on my short list after being pleasantly surprised by Anya in The Menu.
I think Poe and Detective Landor was a split representation of Edgar Allan Poe himself:
Landor was forbidden to drink within the Academy as he was told "his reputation precedes him" (Poe was in fact an alcoholic) and Cadet Poe solved the true murderer at the end of the story, making him a detective of his own.
My thoughts as well! Landor is very reminiscent of the kinds of characters Poe was known to write. He was known for writing murderers that try justifying their actions within their heads, though in Landor's case he was arguably more sympathetic than Poe's usual murderous characters, and was also well known for his detective characters (especially with C. August Dupine).
And Poe told Landor that if he meant to kill every person that had make him suffer half the school would've been death...i think that was a nice clue/foreshadowing about them
Poe wasn't in fact alcoholic. There are many theories. He may or may have not drank more from time to time depending on his life circumstances, but his image is surrounded by myths nowadays.
Rufus Griswald has to do with all of that. He is to blame for many things.
I just needed to say it. Don't take this as mean or anything like that! Not at all! I like to share my investigations. If you ever have the chance (or the wants) take a further look at the writer's life. You will find many things. 😁
It was sad when he said he wished his daughter met Poe that night and if then they’d have a family
Yes! That was such a heartfelt moment and shows how much he has grown to care for Poe
This felt like a real movie, if you understand what I mean. If not, way back when we used to see movies knowing close to nothing about its premises, not even the whole cast. From time to time, we were gifted with a great ensemble of great actors playing a good story. This was it.
This!! I was astonished by the cast while watching the film, i totally get what you mean
It felt like a real movie because it felt both fresh and authentic. The amount of research needed to write a period authentic dialogue must have been massive.
Another important point was that Ballinger was castrated which suggests a much more personal reason behind the murder. Also, I want to believe that Landor wanted to confess and that's why he left the note with Poe or at least didn't alter his handwriting. I think the guilt of what he devolved into bothered him and he needed to get itnoff his chest. But the most important lesson is do not confide in hookers!
Perfectly justified killing those 3 men
Your first sentence, regarding motive, is spot on. Even though I had read the novel years ago, I had either forgotten this "clue", or had missed it altogether during my first watch (I've now watched it five times--for so many "Easter eggs", etc.). Currently, I am re-reading Bayard's novel for these details, and others, and have found that much of the film dialog is word for word from the novel which says to me that certain elements were prized for their dramatic effect, script-wise. While reading, I sense none other than the presence of Bale's Landor, and Melling's Poe; these two actors literally inhabit the characters they play, bringing life to mere words, overriding any images or thoughts regarding them during prior readings.
I thought this movie was amazing. But I'm a sucker for old timey murder mystery movies.
Any other good suggestions
I thought it was great as well
From Hell with Johny Depp. And a TV series called The Alienist season 1.
@@michaelxie4084 from hell is great! I was thinking of "the ninth gate" as well
@@michaelxie4084 thanks happpy holidays and happy new year!
I loved this movie so much, one of those movies that I’ll definitely watch again in the future. Christian Bale NEVER disappoints.
Landor might have "let go" of his daughter's demise, but I feel that he would eventually become tormented by her memory once more, and set out to find, and dispatch, Stoddard.
In the book, Landor's writing the book as a 'confession' of sorts shortly before he kills himself. He ends it by claiming that a mysterious individual some time after the events of the main story sent him a newspaper clipping of Stoddard being found hanged, with the implication being that Poe eventually hunted him down and murdered him.
@@terragthegreat175 Thank you. I am now re-reading the novel; so much I had forgotten from when it first came out.
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I get that the siblings were not murders as they just used the dead body to get the heart but surely they were going to kill Poe and that’s why they also justified to die right?
@@nancyjones5971 When no more dead bodies were to be utilized, and with officials suspecting, and classmates skeptical of the odd Mr. Poe, it must have seemed right in the siblings' minds to dispense with him, to let others believe him to have become a victim of the madman at large. I feel that Artemus, however, was on to Poe's connection with Landor, whom he was wary of, and this bolstered his decision to whittle on the poet/cadet as his sister's seizures became more frequent. Lucy picked Poe's brain for details about the occult, how much he may have been involved with it, and this satisfied her desire to use him as she, herself, was so entrenched in it. She saw in him a naïve Romantic and a "lamb to the slaughter", the virginal component such blood-letting rituals demanded.
@@terragthegreat175oh interesting, I didn’t their was a book.
I loved the scene where Poe yelled, "BOOKS!" and ran to the bookcase, something I'd definitely do
Didn't think this movie required an explanation... not difficult at all... but I like Landor having the luckiest murder spree ever... genius
💁♂️SORRY……?
The movie was stupid ..
Yea I don't know how this needs an explanation. Guess desperation for views and likes is what the kids need now
Oh if you know my friends from high school, they only don't need explanation, but a detailed analysis of the movie before they understand this. Lmao
The vid indeed stated the obvious but
why would Landor get the note off fry in front of everyone and ask Poe to investigate it?
None of these videos even explain anything beyond what film provides. They’re more of a synopsis more than anything.
I like the line where Poe looks over Landon’s bookshelf and insults James Fennore Cooper, then the cliffside where his daughter’s suicide totally reminded me of the scene in Last of The Mohicans where Alice does the same thing. Nice subtle foreshadowing,
Poe was very much critical of a 'national literature' which he felt was limiting, jingoistic, and didactic. Known as "The Tomahawk Man" for his often scathing, cutting, critiques of contemporaneous American writers (those being 'puffed' by fellow writers, editors, and publishers in exchange for literary favors, particularly met his ire--Rufus W. Griswold, as prime example), he purposely left the settings in many of his own tales ambiguous, and often seemingly European. In doing so, he felt that American literature would garner a greater, worldwide appreciation--monetarily, not excluded--rather than die on the vine in the United States in ignominy or disregard. He may have been considering, too, his legacy, or immortality among the great works of literature. Conversely, at the time that he was championing copyright laws in the United States and abroad (he sided with Dickens on this matter, and asked his help with British publishers, which was not forthcoming for various reasons, one of which is found in their mutual correspondence), publishers in the United States were literally stealing literary works from British and European authors for print in their magazines and books; meanwhile, the same was being done abroad to American authors, including Poe, which is why Baudelaire and other French authors became so familiar with and influenced by Poe's works. Most of this foreign adulation came, unfortunately, after Poe's untimely death; he profited very little from his literary efforts, here and abroad, during his short lifetime.
fantastic movie. very atmospheric. it felt like the prestige in that it merits more viewings to pay close attention at the details
This was filmed where I live in western Pennsylvania. LIved here all my life and never realized how beautiful this area looks in wintertime.
This was a good movie, but the acting was even better.
It´s a good movie but the flaws are actually in the character of Poe´s as he is depicted here. It´s really been a long time since I read Poe, but what I recall of his theory of literature is that the art of writing is a painstaking process of looking for the right words to evoke the right effects. (Much like Kafka btw.) He perceived his inspiration by the waking eye, not by "my mother" nor "in my sleep". Poe was also an essayist who criticized the works of his contemporary writers in harsh words - that´s how he made powerful enemies and that´s why his person and work are overshadowed by prejudice up to this day. - But, as I said, I like this movie for some reasons. It can be read as a tribute to Poe as the inventor of short stories and crime stories, especially - decades ahead of Doyle and others.
Harry Melling should’ve picked up an Oscar nomination for his fantastic portrayal of Edgar A. Poe
If you’ve read the book, it seems more that Landor chose death. It makes the story that more tragic.
While I was watching the film. I literally told my dad that “what if they made a movie where the detective was the killer at the end..”
You can imagine my reaction when they revealed the actual killer of the murders… The Plot twist was one I didn’t think Netflix had the balls to do, yet they did!
I just saw it, what a movie! I thought the mystery was all tied up at 1hr 40mins. Nearly turned it off, I was not expecting that twist ending. Loved it!
I love mystery stories and this was so well done! Great film! Great acting! Love it!
The ending was heartbreaking!
Harry Melling was incredible. I like to think Landor let go
Very good movie. If you're a Poe fan/reader, as soon as the first heart is removed (and the title), you'll immediately think of the. From the start, I knew that Landor (Bale) was the murderer, however, I thought that he had murdered his daughter not the cadets, so I was surprised by this twist. I hope that Landor didn't commit suicide, as I can see other murder mysteries being solved by this character. Bale is an excellent actor having performed in 2 of my favorite movies, "American Psycho" and "The Machinist," and he doesn't disappoint in this movie. Harry Melling is an excellent Poe, and his resemblance to photos of Poe are uncanny. Unfortunately, I was a bit underwhelmed by the performances of Gillian Anderson and Lucy Boynton. It was also a treat to see Robert Duvall twice on the screen as Jean-Pepe. Hoping there may be more Landor period-piece mysteries.
hope you also watched "The prestige"
@@Ryan-vt2re Yes I did. I do love that one, too. Thank you for reminding me.
Colonel: i believe we have one a stay of execution
Landor:No, colonel
But why??
Landor will continue killing the cadets to satisfy his killing spree.
I just kept taking a drink everytime I saw a Harry Potter actor.
How many drinks?
@@oli.y just enough to make it weird
Just started watching this yeaterday, it's just amazing
Thanks for the review, I couldn't get into this film after the first 30 minutes but still wanted to know what happened. This was perfect.
10/10 this movie brought tears to my eyes at the end and really good acting
I loved the Edgar Alan Poe character.
I think he did jump. Not really much to see that he realized there is "more to life". I took the letting go of the cloth not as an acceptance of her death but a sign of her being avenged. That she can now rip. I also think Landor was guilty of what he had done. Not only to the rapist but of Artemis and Lea and their family. At his core he believes murder to be wrong. Thats why he allowed Edgar to find out and turn him in. Not having this closure sentenced on him by Edgar must have made him feel even more guilty.
The job wasn’t over because 1 got away
@@jjjyli686 He did say he doesn't have the power and will anymore as an old man. In the books, before he die, he did receive a news from mysterious source that Stoddard was found dead hanging himself, with the implication it was Poe who finished the deed.
I honestly think he let go of himself. Letting go of his past shows by his actions in the movie, didn’t end well for those dudes that messed with Batman. But at the same time, letting himself go gave true to the words of Poe when he said I will write a poem of you…
Let that be your next mystery. Great movie, definitely recommend!!!
Even Batman has his breaking point.
I thought batman isn't supposed to kill
Bane broke his body, the cadets broke his mind
I have a theory about this film.
*SPOILERS*
I think Landor killed all 3 of the boys. When we come to know about Stoddard gone missing, it was Landor who says that Landor himself checked the barracks and he declares that the boy ran off. Superintendent & Captain never questioned him.
Landor is not they type of person who will find solace in fate or would let his revenge remain incomplete. I am sure Landor abducted Stoddard and kept him in some place. And must have killed him after Edgar's confrontation. The final scene also solidify this theory as he bids goodbye to her daughter and says, "Rest, my love" denotes that he accomplished his revenge in full form.
Love your summaries (as well as your selections *to* summarize)!
I'm so grateful for this video because you have saved me the trouble of watching the movie. As much as I admire the actors and the premise, the highlighted plot points would be enough to make me give up on this movie.
Thank for full explain and recap for The Pale Blue Eye. Good explanation.
The kid who played Edgar Allen Poe should of at least got nominated best supporting actor
Whose heart is it in the second ritual (in the finale)? We're led to believe it is Ballinger's heart, but we later learn that Landor cut B's heart out to make it look like Ballinger was murdered by the occultists. Did Atemis and Lea keep Fry's heart for over a month? I thought they "used" (ate) it in the first ritual.
I think there are just plotholes. It's confusing because Poe's character was going to be part of the ritual as a sacrifice. Meaning the first ritual would've also required a sacrifice. I don't see how the first ritual was done since they only had his heart and nobody in the movie was murdered by them. Only Ballinger and Artemus were murdered, and it was committed by Landor. And also I thought they needed an animal not eaten by Christians, the heart of unbaptized child and the heart of a unhanged man. Idk maybe they only needed one of those 3 to qualify? But then why did they need a sacrifice? Either it's a huge plothole, or Lea was just crazy and dumb and thought she was doing it correctly when she wasn't.
Another clue to Landor's guilt (that Poe probably didn't notice due to the situation he was in at the time) was that Landor actually says "is that Fry's heart?" when he busts them mid ceremony. I don't know why Poe was considered an acceptable sacrifice but there may have been more to it than the short exerpt we were given from the book. I suppose any human would do though really, as we're not animals eaten by christians.
The heart they used in the final ritual attempt is Fry's, Landor only tore out Ballinger's heart to make it seems like a work of satanist/witches. He probably threw the heart away.
@@zackjackson397 What bothers me is Poe defending Lea at the end with all the 'they will not be forgotten' talk and love this and that... like... dude, they WERE GOING TO KILL YOU.
@@yazr1712 they also didn't do a good job conveying how much time they spent together. One meaningful conversation and that's it. While Landor had multiple and saved his life twice.
This film was so good!!!!! Highly recommend 💯
The accents were interesting. Usually they make 19th and 18th century americans sound like their modern counterparts, which doesnt make sense
Is Edgar Allen Poe played by the actor who played Neville Longbottom?
Dudley Dursley
No
Yes
Whichever actor. I really enjoyed his performance.
I friggin loved this movie
Watched it just now and loved it, finally a very very good Netflix-Movie!
9/10
Great movie, very authentic and well acted, I agree with the director that Landor didn't kill himself, but made his peace.
10/10 movie Perfect
@yaz r I’m not sure what you mean, they didn’t show any of that, also even when he’s being rescued he wasn’t yelling or fussing to be released, he happily obliged to the request made, lotta people give themselves to the one they love which he obviously did
Why did Artemus say leaving the note and drawing him out to kill him was his idea when he had nothing to do with it?
?????? He was trying to protect lea
@@braq9775 why didn’t he say “that wasn’t us”
Because the script is bad
@@Redacted724 i mean if there is a detective who you know knows the jig is up for you first instinct is to take the blame rather than plead innocent. Better have your sick sister be clean for good rather than always marked as suspicious for your entire family (especially when they were ready to kill Poe)
I think what artemus meant was taking the heart and rituals was his idea not the notes and killing..
How did Landor get the note to Fry that sets up the meeting?
From Fry's hand (dead body).
@@DL_2021 I meant how did Landor get the note to Fry in the first place to set up the meeting?
@@StevenCulp-dh5vs he might have sneaked into the academy and placed the note near fry's location or he instructed someone to give fry the letter.
@ greatfriends yeah it’s inexplicable a lot of potholes in storyline, I was agreeing with the other commenter about it leaving us clueless as to which first or second murder belonged to whom, as they were done by different people with only Batman admitting to the one he did, but he admitted he did a copycat murder implying the first was not done by him. He wasn’t the “killer” of the cadetes but the story lines and scenes and ending make it appear as if it were him all along
Both killings were done by Batman, he confesses that to Poe. The siblings took out the first heart (of Fry) and he took out the second heart (Ballinger's)
He did both. He only admitted to the second being sloppy because he copied what happened to the first body. The first victim he killed had his body scavenged and he replicated it but as he said it was hard for an old man.
okay so idk if anyone knows this but I've been trying to find this out since i finished the movie. what is he using to bludgeon the soldiers like I cant understand what is is at all any help would be appreciated
It was great when you watch it and then the next day rematch it after knowing the ending
One thing I am confused about is if Lea and Artemus wouldn't kill but only removed the hearts of already dead bodies, why would they suddenly be willing to tie Poe up and kill him in a ritual sacrifice?
Haven't seen it yet ... just wanted to post, that bale is great for the part, I'm sure and this will be a CLASSIC. )
very cool to see Robert Duvall in a new movie even if he didnt get much screen time
He didn't jump. He had his revenge and was able to live with what had transpired.
Agree it doesn't need much of an explanation. Was just wondering whether he jumped or not
It’s worth the watch but you can tell that it couldn’t have been originally written to be seen out of order. I think a few tweaks would have made it a classic. It had too many useless characters and also underdeveloped characters and side plots. I couldn’t understand why Ava broke so easily over a deportation threat. Also Judy and Stan weren’t consistent and Really Leo/Ryan’s whole reason for revenge was kinda weak.
this plot seem simler to the raven , didnt anyone notices that?
Plot-wise, no not really. Both have Poe assisting a detective with his enquiries but other than that there's not much similarity in the plot or the killers. I like both films and think they feel like they both exist in the same world.
I think they’re also throwing in a bid for providing the inspiration for “The Fall of the House of Usher”, among other Poe “Easter eggs”.
"I'm Batman." Ah, Christian Bale, and another Poe tie-in. This is a fun fact: The two collaborators on the original Batman comic book, i.e., the very first, were said to have come up with their ideas for the dark, caped crusader while sitting in Poe Park--in the Bronx, where the last home in which Poe lived (his ideal for Landor's Cottage, the cottage of Poe's wife Virginia's acrostic valentine poem to him, and where she died) was moved from its original setting across the road in order to save it from demolition. It is said to be the last remaining workman's cottage of its kind left within the region of New York City.
Why did he leave Joey Brooks( cadet Stoddard) ?
5:04 whats those red crossings? sloppy edit?
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I don't think I've seena single drama movie that doesn't include or imply a rape scene for over a decade. I'm fucking tired of this shit
He may have said, rest easy my love, or whatever he said, because he was ending his life and his suffering so that she may rest in peace as well, and letting go of her cloth was him symbolically letting go of his life which was his wife and daughter and all his suffering which gave him peace before falling to his death.
I don't think Landor jumped at the end, but wonder if he recovered and hid his daughter's body? If her body was found then the story that she ran away with a man would not hold.
I was wondering the same
he let go the ribbon thats mean he let go the memory of her daughter, if he kill him self he will hold the ribbon
Happy New Year Think Story!!!
What do you think of Willow TV series.
Pretty good, just kinda a long movie
I just watched this and it wasn't confusing. They explain everything in the end.
So did he jump then?
I surprised Landor let Poe go, especially since Poe figured out who the *real* killer is. By that, Poe learned it was Landor hanging those men, and because of the Marquises dark secret project, he saw them as the perfect scapegoats to take the fall for his crime. Sure what the Marquises were doing was super fucked up by literally stealing those men’s hearts, but they weren’t the killing them. And Poe let Landor have an innocent family take the blame for his actions. If I were Landor, I would have to kill Poe, a true criminal mastermind would try to get rid of all the evidences.
He lives!
It amazing film
Is it bad I’m still super confused
I love period films, I feel he didn't fall, because he let go of the ribbon, if he had held on to it, then I think he would have jumped.
what bothers me is how landor figure out that it's witchcraft just after seeing fry's body, because he said he also killed the goat and the cow and that was before him meeting his friend pepe and poe reading the ritual requirements which involved the animals parts!! did they edited it too soon or landor is super genius?
Good point though. Another detail I found quite contradictory is when poe said at the end that lea and arthemis didn’t intend to kill anyone, all they wanted was their hearts for the rituals but you (landor) you killed. When actually lea and her brother were about to kill poe to get his heart, does that not make them murderers?
I loved itttttt
What I don't understand is how did Landor find the Marquis performing the ritual on Poe? Is that a plot hole or was I just not paying enough attention?
They had found the place of the rituals before to Landor knew where it would be made.
Was the third guy killed?
I thought Poe burned the note Landor wrote for him not Poe’s evidence
Harry Melling the spoiled fat Dudley from the potter series. He wore a fat suit in the last film.
I’ve now seen him in four or five films. This performance was riveting. Yes, Daniel Radcliffe Is a good actor, but Harry Melling is a revelation. This was a top notch performance.
I know this is wrong now but I thought Poe was the third member to r*pe Mathilda and it was a big ol twist, especially as he intentionally lied about talking to them both - then Bale says at the end that person will have to look over their shoulder the rest of their life, then the burning of the note seemed like a mutual - well we've got each other now
I think he let go.
That intro came out of left field
OMG, this movies story sounds great esp the twist. But I heard the movie was terrible.
Right ! The movie sounds so good yet everyone keeps saying it’s bad so idk what to do
@@chicken1456 Watch it. Life is full of regrets anyway. What difference will one more make.
@@TheNinjaMarmot tru tru 🤝🏾
Just watched it and loved it 🤷🏻♂️
That's crazy because I thought it was pretty solid and I don't usually watch movies like these
This movie was okay idk I was expecting more
Leave it to Christian Bale-to make a movie with the gravediggers who use body parts are the good people in this movie. The Occult are the good guys.?!?!
For a very big premise movie around Edgar Allan Poe, its very mediocre.... Watchable but nothing more and nothing else..
Saying they 'defiled his daughter' is kind of gross. They assaulted and nearly killed her, they didn't 'spoil' her for future men.
In the 1800s, even being seen with a man alone as a woman ruined you and your family 's reputation. So it didn't really matter if the men did or didn't. In "Pride and Prejudice", Lizzy running off with her bf, unmarried, is enough to ruin every sister's option to get married. Ridiculous by today's standards.
@@healinggrounds19 That was Lydia, not Lizzy.
Glad the the father took matters in his hands. Raping his daughter that's what a real father do stands up for his daughter and hold those guys responsible
@@cami.42 he ended being the villain , those 3 could've rotted in prison for the rest of their lives, all he had to do is go to the Colonel.
@@grandcanyon-fu9zt who’s to say those men wouldn’t have been punished and left off the hook.
I think he leapt.. He didn't have a single reason to stay alive...
so the Marquis kids werent actually murderers....
Just ritualist murderers, since they've killed Poe if Landor didn't save him.
Movie plot summed up poorly: *Batman voice* I am vengeance
I tried but it was way too slow
The ending of this movie was comical. Poe, basically a cuck, about to sacrifice himself for the woman he loves, then becomes an insightful crime solver. Really did not feel that leap.
The acting was way better than the plot. I think the plot was a little bit stale. Lack of depth.
U dont watch any shows I'm watching. I watch u for the shows I cant be bothered to watch myself.
What are the coincidences that may bring together a vengeful killer with a sick girl who needs rituals in order to justify his crime?
This is where the movie died in my opinion. And there was a lack of script.
It's a movie, coincidences are a great part of any plot and the two stories meeting was a great aspect of the script not a demerit.
@@rafaelbrisolara7599 yes in younger people eyes only . we all know the world are having huge lack of scenareest of Screenwriters . thats a big gab .and thats why everyone say why we have lousy movies these days.
I liked the movie simply for the fact that they told a story without going out of their way to include diversity, strong female characters and LGTVQHD+ like in so many other movies.
Oh I know right? I’m so sick of this “woke” casting bullshit. It’s ruined like every single show/movie it touches
because you are racist,sexist and homophobic lmao all movies have been with out that for years.
UR gay
Nigga is that a TV 😭😭😭
Yeah God forbid there's diversity and women lead roles in a movie right 🙄
The movie was bad, the "twist" was predictable and over acting from the cast is just unbearable. It's a shame, because this move had potential to be one of the year's best. Great vid, as always
Yeah as soon as a saw a Netflix January release and little marketing I did the math and figured this was just a “release it and forget it” type movie.
I thought it was great and I'm picky with movies. I didn't suspect Landor being involved nor the sister until the end.
It was a good movie smh
The movie is great, you surely don't understand a thing about movies, do you? Christian Bale and Harry Mellings were great at this movie and I doubt you really predicted the twist, it's easy to say that after watching a video explaining it :v
@@rafaelbrisolara7599 Yeah, the kid from the internet told me I don't understand a thing about movies. How old are you? 12? Is this your like 10th movie in life?
You know what, I was really enjoying the film and thought it was actually really good up until the second it began adding in the sacrifice, talking to the devil because she has seizures etc etc and that whole thing felt like a cheap, shit horror movie cliche and then I checked out. Felt it was a strong 7.5/8 out of 10, but that nonsense took it down to a 5.5/6
that was my initial thought, but then I keep watching it until the end and boy was my expectations wrong. It certainly became interesting after that
Had you expected a film including the character of Edgar Allen Poe NOT to include elements of occult practices (it is never shown that anything supernatural IS actually happening after all)? Really? I was rather surprised with The Raven having so little of it.
@@sorscha1308 I don't have an issue with the intention, but I felt the execution was very poor and couldve been handled alot better. Felt very tacky and I also found Gillian Andersons acting kinda lame for this period as well. Was definitely a weak point to the movie for me
It's 8.5/10 movie
@@sorscha1308 mfs don’t read
This movie promotes suicidal thoughts. Its like they give you a reason to dye for. there's nothing worth dying for. You must have hope for life and keep on living. You can't stay in the past!
If you had been raped by three people at the same time, maybe life wouldn't be as much pleasant
It's a movie
As he revenged for daughter's death, he felt complete his duty and must to leave this miserable life
People die. Clothing is dyed.
He did not jump at the end
What a waste of time this movie was
Poe’s only “evidence” was that the writing on the note and one of the letters was similar. There’s no proof that his daughter committed suicide.