I was gonna buy it and you saved me from making a purchase I would not be able to financially recover from for at least 3 years. Thanks for that! That being said, which card would you recommend? People say RTX4060 is bad, RTX4060ti is bad value, RX6700 is 150$ more expensive for only 5% performance bump, RX7600 is at the same price point as A770 and 4060, but I'm not convinced it doesn't have issues of its own, which is what I'll research right after this video, so yeah, what would you recommend? I'd love to aim for slightly better GPUs from Nvidia, but the prices are ridiculous, I could never be able to afford that
Issues are to be expected but generally I'm happy to see a 3rd competitor in the space to mix things up between AMD and Nvidia and I'm sure once they find their feet they'll start to get to grips with the Driver issues
@@traitoR142 That's the REAL risk when going with Intel. Its not the potential driver issues, its their track record of simply just abandoning new projects that is a threat to gpu buyers. With AMD you will at least have the assurance that they will keep trying to refine drivers your gpu for the next decade (possibly more)/
Arc's biggest problem is it is inconsistent system to system. Some setups it performs and behaves a LOT better, or a LOT worse. The only problem I can say is universal, be it visual issues like tearing or black screens though is 1st Gen ARC HATES old displays. If you have a monitor that's more than 5 years old; just don't bother, nor with multimonitor. Your typical 1440p 144hz monitor from a decent brand like LG/Samsung/Acer is fine though.
Sounds like the same headache I've dealt with using ATI/AMD products over the last two decades, and they seem to be finally figuring it out. Intel will get it worked out.
@@dangerous8333 Exactly, I'm willing to go easy on Intel at this point as they are new to the GPU game. When Battlemage is released then that willingness to go easy on them won't be there as they should have learned what to improve driver wise from their Alchemist GPUs.
@@H53. had issues with a 60hz Asus monitor. my monitors 6 years old. didn't have any issues on my new Asus monitor 165hz . I got black screens on my older monitor from time to time coming off a fresh boot. never had that issue on my newer monitor edited - my old monitor works fine with my main rig which has had Nvidia and amd GPUs in it .
@@olddadagamer i am pretty sure monitor doesn't cause it, cause the signal is one-way(unless its gysync or free-sync) supported, the problem could be bad signal or RAMDAC, but still even a crt should work, monitor is just an output nothing else...
Thanks for making this video. As a former A380 user experiencing the software issues, the BIOS hurdles, the insane power consumption even on idle (17W) and the fact that Battlemage is possibly a whole year away and may not address all those issues... I appreciate you standing by your position that Arc can't be recommended. I regret falling for all the narratives about 'We need to support a 3rd competitor' and 'Nvidia and AMD are greedy so we got to support the little guy' and all the marketing about Arc's performance. But yeah, I realized I couldn't wait for Battlemage and decided to get an RX 7600. I can't believe how great it is to not worry about power consumption (idle), having a great software like Radeon Chill and Super Resolution, and just having a stable reliable product. And I say this as someone who was in a financially precarious situation and was desperate for an upgrade (the 1050Ti was barely viable). So Arc seemed very attractive to me. But you're right, the unreliable hardware and software doesn't justify the 'competitive' prices. And i dont think enough reviewers are pointing them out when doing head to head comparisons. So, thank you. I wish 2022-self was here to see your video (=
I gave the a750 a chance and it was great as a display out for bios, but it black screened past the Mobo splash no matter the settings tried. I didn't even get a chance to try it in games. Shame
I'm an Arc owner, only encountered one of those, games not launching a second time after quitting. With nvme technology you get a 30 second delay to launch the game again.
I've got an A750 and I'm not experiencing any crashes what so ever. The software could use some more features though, like undervolting and a quick button for recording, but I do not really record so not an issue for me personally. I do experience a minor problem though and that is my 2nd monitor loosing the sound feed for a second or two every now & then over the HDMI, and yes it's a very old monitor probably 15-20 years old. Considerring I got mine really cheap converted to U$D= 147 makes it really good bang/buck.
I completely recommend the 770, they drop new driver fixes all the time and performance gets better and better, Ive had just as many problems over the years with both Nvidia and AMD both, 16 gigs of vram is awesome and as a productivity card its going to age really well, not everything is about how a card "games".
Glad to hear that you want to go back to the used pc parts and pc build. Honestly I enjoyed your series of turning $100 into a high end PC, watched em 3 times and I do still enjoy them. I hope you will do something similar in the near future.
In Bangladesh, the gunnir a750 is just 270usd where the 7600 is 340usd. The a750 falls in my budget. Also it looks really good triple fan model. I was wanting to buy this card for 1080p gaming but I'm aware of the issues. Thanks for making this video for awareness.
I really like the A750. I have a 3060Ti but I have a separate sort of test bench PC with my old 1700X (blast from the past right?), 12GB's of RAM, two M.2's, and a really old AMD GPU. I've wanted to upgrade to something like a 5700G for it but I might bum a 5700X or 5600X and throw it in with an A750
Your video just confirms what Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed have been saying about ARC since they first got their hands on most of their products. It's interesting but the drivers experience make it quite to recommend despite the very competitive pricing :)
It's not for everyone, if you want value from your money, your system isn't old AF, you got some patience and know your way aroudnd a computer, you can buy ARC and as you saw on those comparisons, you'll get a massive performance in newer games, even better performance than costly GPUs such as 3060 or 4060.
My A750 is amazing. I have never had an ounce of regret. Of course I play games like BG3, Diablo4, Warhammer3... I also play exclusively at 4k resolution because these aren't FPS. I would 100% buy again. It's a game changer for the price. Oh and never one crash in like 6 months. Maybe it's your memory? I could not recreate the screen tearing or missing cursor in Diablo 4 either.
It's incredible as a cheap Unreal Engine card and raytracing card for Blender and other 3D DCC apps. It's my new budget option at $300-$400 range with 16 GiB VRAM and 256-bit bus.
Interesting that I don't get anymore crashes for the past 2 months on Intel Arc? I also just recently got second A770 16GB for 200€ which was apparently crashing, bsods etc ... hooked it up on both of my systems and it worked like a charm. Also no problems on 4k gaming with either 12900k system or testbench which is an overclocked 5950x with RAM as well. Power consumption though ... idle 40w unless you want to sacrifice some performance with the MAX POWER SAVING feature.
As a long time pc builder. I regret purchasing an Intel Arc because it simply does not work properly on an older system that does not support re-bar. And my unit has 100% fan issue on day 1 of testing it on a mobo that supports re-bar. THEY DONT HAVE FAN CONTROL IN THEIR INTEL ARC CONTROL software. What a joke
I used a Arc a750, my experience is quite good, I don’t regret to buy this card. However, I think the most important thing for Intel is to release a big patch update to improve DX11 performance, like what they did toDX9.
Really good overview of all the Intel issues. I think a lot of tech reviewers are overlooking a lot of these issues, and not thinking how impactful a lot of them will be to someone that ends up using the card day in day out. It's good Intel are working to sort them out, but I don't see how Intel can credibly be recommended as an alternative to Nvidia/AMD (unless their cards were sold at like 40/50% of what the AMD/Nvidia equivalents are selling for and even then I'm not sure they'd be worth the hassle/stress that these issues would cause in the long run).
can't over look them if We didn't have them to over look. Been running my a770 almost a month and not a single issue on the 5900x build and now running it on a 6th gen i7 and still working just fine How ever it of course loses some performance on the old system, but still out performing the 2070S that was in there
I just installed an A750 in my test machine and so far it runs pretty well. In Borderlands 3 I was getting 2 to 3 hundred fps but the game was almost unplayable due to graphics glitching down to near zero fps. I set vsync and the game was perfectly playable. I am glad I bought this card for testing because I build pc's for people and I want to know if I can reccomend this card to someone. Not done yet, but with your list of drawbacks it's not likely.
A little update: With the 4514 driver most everything seems to be running silky smooth. I do however have two games that crash ( Halo Infinite and Warhammer 40.000 Darktide). I also have some artifacts in Borderlands 3 (tried display port and hdmi). I went back to the 4502 driver and that cured the artifacts, but the game is not as smooth.
I like my Intel Arc a750, but I'm not a gamer, and I might not like it if I was. I had big problems when I first installed the a750 about 4 months ago, but with the latest drivers I'm having no problems right now.
Your capture cards not working is interesting. My cheap generic capture card works most of the time with my Arc A380. The only issue I sometimes get is the audio in some older games will not work when the A380 is plugged into the capture card.
I've had an A750 since late January and have only noticed great driver improvements. The games I play haven't had any stutters, lag, or issues (expect an issue in Cyberpunk where the floor disappeared but I believe that was the game). I've also used it to stream with AV1 a few times with no issues. I've also rendered a few 4k videos and worked on countless Photoshop/Affinity files with ease. I am on the opposite side and highly recommend them. 🤷♂️
Thank you for being the most honest reviewer and enthusiast out there. You told the truth and didn't lie about the hype and for that, you have earned my respect!!! Everyone else is talking about Intel being competitive with AMD and Nvidia and they are so far behind that it isn't even funny.
I'm noy trying to be a fan boy but I have a arc a750 and it has none of the problems mentioned. I run mine on a 1080p 165hz display and I have rarely any problems besides video playback problems on RUclips. I also use my arc as my daily driver.
Do not trust techtubers, they are all compromised in one way or another to keep ushering everyone into the Nvidia/AMD duopoly GPU box. Do your own research and buy what is best value/performance for YOUR specific needs, not what these shill techtubers want you to believe! Right now, the best value option is Intel ARC. So long as you avoid paying more than MSRP for one. Drivers will continue to improve well into next year and thruout BattleMage, which is why techtubers want to ensure these cards get as few buyers as possible so as to not ruin their affiliated link Nvidia legacy sales.
the power consumption reported by software is the asic power which is gpu core only, this is NOT total board board power. So you have to add Memory, Display, switching losses and fans to that, which is a good 20 to 30w. alt tabbing is not an issue for me, i can tab out of my games all day and in fact i do that. its related to your games or System, not a general issue at least. I also have never seen the horizontal sync issue. i use two arc cards in different System on different displays since oct 2022. i also never had issues starting games, including cyberpunk. Also, my a770 and a750 run perfectly fine in 4k 120hz with my LG c9 oled via hdmi. I had issues with screen black flickering, but i could fix that by cleaning the pcie contacts and reseating the card properly. for me arc just runs well. Im very happy with my a770 in my work PC.
Have used an A770 as my only gpu for the past two months. Am currently shopping for a replacement. Performance is, put simply, abysmal in too many games. Halo MCC, Deus Ex Human Revolution, Tomb Raider 2013, even Assassin's Creed Unity AFTER the supposed "big fix" update (4514 driver) - there's constant frame-drop and low utilization when there's any sort of serious draw distance loaded. There are some games where Arc performs well, like Cyberpunk and Borderlands 3, but they're too few and far between to make Arc a worthwhile purchase for gamers. Productivity is an entirely different story, though not one I've tested very well. I've only run some QSV-accelerated Handbrake encodes, and edited some videos using Vegas 15. Both have been rapid, crash-free experiences (touch wood). But my main purpose in buying an A770 was gaming, and for me - who plays a lot of classic DX9, DX10 and DX11 games - Arc has been a massive disappointment.
A bargain used GTX 1070 would have served you well for those types of games as it has me for 4king those. I am mainly getting ARC for newer games now. Fingers crossed when I dk
Great video! Very informative and interesting. I too always want to support the underdog and graphics cards definitely need a strong 3rd competitor... Plus it completes the team Red, Green, and Blue (RGB) colour scheme trio hehe
@pkpnyt4711 The DG1 was never officially released for retail sale though, at least not in the North American market, and samples of the "production" unit are about as rare as an i7-995X...another Intel product that was never truly released but was occasionally found in the wild.
Thanks for the report. Excellent work. Regarding AMD drivers getting better with rdna3, can you develop this point? I'm asking because i hqve a friwnd who bought a 7900xtx and he reported the same old driver issues, like random freezes, black screens while gaming, etc. He was very dissapointed as a fresh pc gamer, unexperienced, altought i told him so about the history with bad drivers on AMD side.
That sounds like power issues not driver problems. Is he running a decent 1000w power supply with no adapters on the power cables? Even my 5700xt would do what your describing if I tried to use a pcie cable with 2 plugs on it.
@@geofrancis2001 Yes, its not a power delivery peoblem because some driver versions work better than others and he's got a very high end system, including psu no compromises.
A770 owner. Replaced an Nvidia 2070 super and couldn't be happier. Now to be fair I've seen a fps decrease in most games but what this card lacks in game performance it makes up for ten fold with encoding. I went from having to make concessions to quality to stream with the Nvidia decoder. With the Intel card I have been able to raise every setting to maximum quality. Not only does streaming/recording not drop performance as with the Nvidia card I now pick up between 5 and 12 fps when activating the encoder. On the review bench it's easy to make a list. In the real world when you aren't looking to pick it apart it becomes clear these cards are a world apart for any creator trying to get 2 PC performance from a single PC setup.
The HDMI flickering issue, i am experiencing it as well. As far as i could find, it is because it is not a true HDMI 2.1 on the ARC cards, they slapped some sort of adapter on to meet the 2.1 standards so they can brand it as 2.1. But a lot of TVs are having issues with the way they are running 4k 120hz out of the hdmi port, might have to do with bandwidth. I have a TCL 6 series, and it is fine with 4k60hz but when i set it to 4k120hz it cant handle it, and constantly cuts out. Could be compatibility issues with the adapter as well.
I would like to see other side of the coin, best case scenarios for intel GPUs, like what could be it's potential if those issues with drivers are ever sorted.
Yeah when ur gaving were havig fun as well i do miss ur old videos where u do big pc parts hunts configuring x58 , testing different cpus and gpus , showing tweaks how to extract max fps .
I feel like you’re definitely living on the edge by daily driving one of these cards. It’d be fun to be a gamer guinea pig but I’d prefer a more stable experience 1:34 jesus do you have the S tier druid from icy veins? absolute wreckage. im hyped to get the proper aspects and skills for my A tier sorcerer
Can we please go back and look at ATI and Nvidia's first year in discrete graphics? I'd suggest to you both were fraught with issues. I was there for both of those. While I have not had any real issues with my A770, I don't expect everything in a driver to be done in a year. Is everything peachy with Intel? No. The release drivers were terrible and who ever ran that division should have been replaced. That said...it has come a long way since. As to the popups.. I use 7-zip to extract the drivers from the .exe, then only load the driver...never the ARC control. My biggest niggle to date is no capture radio button. I'm still using OBS for game capture as a result. The card runs properly in every DX9 and later game I own because I have it properly matched and I have a properly configured BIOS. Heck! it even does VR well. Try VR on competing cards in that price range. That ought to be interesting.
I have to say, my A380 has been absolutely solid in my media server for hardware transcoding. I absolutely love it. But I wouldn't recommend Intel unless the price is significantly better than the comeptition and the person wanting to buy it plays 90% DX12 games.
I would hold on to those cards, and keep testing them against anything that pops up in the future. Even If they get smacked around by other cards. Please massage those drivers Intel. I think I would have been tempted to do a casual Hulk Smash after getting a good deal on new cards that are basically unstable. Great video.
I think you're too harsh on Intel for their Arc cards. They're in no way as bad as you make them out to be, especially when you use them as daily drivers for more than a few hours/days. It also depends a fair bit on what setup you use. Each one wields sometimes drastically different results.
4:00 it is not memory compression that is the problem but the speed and latency of swapping data between VRAM and RAM. This is why Intel is so vehement about reducing the number of bus transfers with resizeable BAR, because every single bus transfer seems to be much more expensive for their card.
I had the alt+tabbing game crash and other weird crashes, also on an asrock board. I also noticed arc control was saying resizable bar was off even though it was on. A bios update completely fixed my issue and now I can alt tab out flawlessly, and resizable bar is working properly.
It has its flaws but it's a damn good first attempt, I hope they'll do a better job the next time around (Knock on wood they don't shelve the intel GPU department)
@@JBrinx18 God I love haters, the A750 I bought 5 months ago is now a new GPU, I didn't wanna go all in with A770 because Intel didn't prove themselves back then. They've shown what they're capable of and word of mouth goes around, people with upper mid tier GPUs are actually excited to see what Intel has to offer with Battlemage and definitely considering swapping because of the value for money.
@@N_N23296 I actually do, they've made a new architecture for graphics which also can do computing at great speeds. New Intel CPUs will have integrated ARC GPUs inside the chipsets, pretty much like Apple's M2. IGPUs and discrete GPUs are becoming a thing with ıntel.
@@lordshitpost31 but, they aren't coming out with anything until late 2024, IF they keep to schedule unlike this time. We'll have 5000/8000 series by then. Look, I want 3 competitors too, but there aren't great signs they'll be competitive for quite a bit, and they are dropping lots of other projects. Single die run for Battlemage, single die run for Celestial currently. Best I would hope for with Battlemage is 3070 ti/6800 performance, but it could be 6700 performance, which is already at $280
why don't you include the 3060 Ti in your benchmarks?? It's supposed to be, with the 3060, what the A770 aims for, and you're comparing it to a 6-7 years old 1060
Just as an FYI I had Arc A750 problems (random blackscreening) when I connected it to a 32" 4K HDR Samsung TV. An nVidia RTX3080Ti system had zero problems with the same TV and HDMI cable. The A750 loss-of-display issues went away after I purchased a brand new HDMI cable, so for sure, the Intel card is pickier about the quality of your cable than nVidia's cards. I've since upgraded the A750 display to a Gigabyte 32U (now using Displayport) and the A750 still isn't having display issues.
I don't game in 4k or use capture features so I can't comment on that but I haven't experienced the other problems you've encountered. Aside from a couple older games that wouldn't run at all, my A770 have been rock solid. (I have the Bifrost, btw, which does feature an adjustable voltage slider.) D4 runs at 50C at stock in my 12400F rig. I just bought an A770 LE for a new 13600K I'm putting together now, will be interesting to see if there's any difference with the Bifrost.
Forza Horizon 3, 4 & 5, ACC, MSFS2020, iracing, Automobilista 2, rfactor 2, Dirt Rally 2.0, BeamNG all work really well on A770. Great to hear F1 is now improved with new drivers.
Has the rush to get Arc into shape had a knock-on effect with the Intel i-gpu's or is it just me? I recently got a second-hand 11th gen ultrabook for work and was surprised to find it can basically run anything at playable framerates with reasonable settings, even Diablo 4 runs well on it. I'd been led to believe that intel has horrible integrated graphics but I've come away pretty impressed!
Yeah, it's the same basic architecture and uses the same driver. Probably unintentional, but I would imagine Iris Xe performs better now than it did a year ago.
These GPU's are a work in progress - same as earlier Radeon AGP cards when I was younger. Patience is a virtue. But yes, probably not for the faint hearted or the inexperienced.
This is a real shame as I almost bought an Intel A770 16gb but decided to wait, I had no idea it was still this bad. I do think though that when they get it right, if not with these cards but maybe the next ones they could make AMD an Nvidia shake in there boots. For now though I'll stick with the AMD card I upgraded to recently, sorry Intel you'll have to wait a bit longer.
You know. It`s much worse than that. Because problems are different on different platforms. So you`re in for one hell of a surprise. If that`s your thing.
I've been using ARC cards for over a year now without issue. People who say they are bad generally either haven't tested them or are fanboys who look for the worst in things so they can continue to regurgitate the same BS that suits their bias.
I currently using Sapphire GPRO X080 * Mining Rx 6700 no video outputs, after bios flash and few new registry lines I passing image via iGPU on AMD original drivers ;) Also you can add physical outputs to this card but this is 30 SMD per port including 10x 0201 - and they as smal like grain of sand. I get quote on local repair shop for $60 per port :)
I sure hope the folks at INTEL have watched your video...have you on a priority list of ALPHA/BETA-test recipients...and incentivize TYC through some type of pre-launch sample gifting across their GPU product line. A comprehensive user-test report, well done!
Driver issues aside, IMO, one big issue with the current Intel ARC GPUs is that Resizable BAR is a must to get the most performance out of it. I do hope Intel bring the pain with whatever they're planning next-gen because I'm just tired of seeing NVIDIA and AMD play and treat their customers like some walking bank account.
Totally agree. And not only a walking banking account, but also one that doesn't complain about the (to be frank), absolutely ridiculous driver issues and engineering oversight, like the power connectors for the 4090. Not only that but the sheer size and power draw of these new cards.
According to what i saw in another youtube video, Intel GPU development started running into problems when the driver development team, who are Russian based, were affected by the sanctions on Russia, and Intel had to move operations to Israel. This along with issues created by the pandemic had very negative effects on Intel's ability to complete the development of the product, and apparently they still haven't sorted everything out to this day.
ive been a day one user of the A770 in my office pc at work and to say its been a wild ride is an under statement. i do hardly any gaming on it some times half an hour or so after work while i kill time between leaving work and other commitments and when i have its been a shit show of games not loading at all or loading with major bugs... for a full month i had to deal with "input mode not supported" on my second screen becuase something was borked in the drivers.
i still like my A770 LE, but i wouldn't recommend ARC either at this point unless you can make use of the A770's 16GB VRAM somehow. while i haven't had many issues with my card (i only really play one game, though), it's just not a good purchase for other reasons. Intel hasn't really slashed ARC prices since RTX 40 and RX 7000 came out, so you'd get previous-gen performance for current-gen prices, especially with the A770. the A750 is looking much more competitive in that regard, but it's still an "old" part. on top of that, ARC is pretty power-inefficient, particularly against the frugal RTX 4060. i do have high hopes for ARC's future, though, and hotly anticipate the 2nd generation's improvements
Hi Bryan or others, what you think about getting a rx 580 8gb? I can get one for 90 euro in a 2nd shop, dunno if it's been mined on. I really won't be playing newer games but will be hopefully Playing older games at 4k. I'm coming from a r9 380 4gb that I'm currently using for 1080p. I've a Ryzen 2600 but will eventually upgrade that to a 5600 or 5700x. No rush on me because of the current crisis width fake wars, fake inflation etc. I ain't got 300 euro plus for a new GPU, prices in my country are crap.
Polaris drivers are stable, and 8gb is enough for settings it can still pull off. I think it's a perfect cheap temp card. RX 580 is almost exactly 50% of performance of cards like RX 6650XT. So you can play a lot of stuff native, or even new games with FSR2.
I'm really rooting for Intel to get a good chunk of NVdia's market dominance since AMD can't seem to do it. However I will wait for their 4th Gen Druid architecture to let their tech mature several more years before I make the switch. Just got a brand new AMD card recently and maybe in 5 years Druid will come out.. perfect time for me.
same here , just got an xtx from AMD and love it but would love to see 5 years from now how things look , i guess high end cards will have 48gigs of Vram by then
Only one correction, druid would be their 5th gen as Arc is DG2 which is 2nd gen. DG1 was 1st gen. I'm with you on everything though, I'll look at Intel once they make it to Celestial or Druid.
Yeah, but at some point we should be encouraging people to buy some of intel's arc cards. If everyone just goes "well I will wait until 'x' gen", then we are never gonna get there.
@JustSomeDinosaurPerson you don't encourage someone to buy inferior products so they can deal with the problems. Intel is still making billions and they need to produce better products before they get any charity from any consumer.
hoping battlemage will be a smoother launch because nvidia and amd at the moment look completely not interested in the mainstream segment ($200 - $300)
Intel most likely will not going all out to fill that gap either with battlemage. If they do then battlemage probably will be the last Arc we see on desktop market.
I am using A770 on Linux, and I just wish Intel spend at least 1/10 of the effort they spend on Windows to support Linux. I mean, they provide complex GUI utility for Windows, and yet, they don't provide even a bare-minimum CLI utility for Linux to configure basic things like turning off the damn LED light.
How is the performance with up to date drivers? The benchmarks from 2-3 months ago from e.g phoronix suggest the performance is very bad and far behind windows and other cards on anything using Vulkan.
@@olnnn Don't know. I don't play games. I bought A770 to use video decoding, Blender and A.I. image generation. Video decoding seems working, but unfortunately, for the moment, Blender crashes if GPU rendering is enabled. They are working on it, so that problem is said to be fixed soon. A.I. image generation works, but I am not sure if it is fast or not, because the speed varies greatly depending on the image model.
Wanted to get a limited a770 for my gpu collection but seems like most new are gone now that they stopped making that version. I like collecting gpu’s and testing them. I actually bought a Radeon vii brand new thats a small club but my main systems run a 3080ti and a 4090. I want to pick up a 7900xtx just waiting to see if they drop more i really like the sapphire nitro card. When I buy amd cards I normally go with the sapphire nitro. The 7900xt also starting to look better hopefully it drops even more. I think people give the new amd top tier cards too much hell. I love my 4090 but honestly i dont use ray tracing much and rasterization on the xtx is pretty good compared to the 4090 considering how much cheaper it is. And if you playing at 1080p or 1440p the amd cards have less cpu overhead and honestly the only reason i wanted the 4090 was to play at 4k. The 3080ti was still a decent 4k card it just struggled on a couple of the new really demanding games. But I think most of it is game optimization and the 4090 can just brute force performance.
I don't feel like a 7900xtx is a good purchase for a GPU collection when you already have a 3080 ti and a 4090, there's really nothing special about it. The Intel card makes a lot more sense.
@@username8644 its just more about having both top tier products. I like playing gaming but i also love benchmarking and testing games just as much. Also want to pick up the 6 core 3dvcache part when it comes out to put in my tinker itx build. I think microcenter is the only place you can buy it when it comes out. I’ve pretty much moved to ryzen on my main builds but would like to try a 13900k. Running a 7950x3d and 5800x3d in my main rigs i use everyday. I really love the 7950x3d i think it gets too much hell its the best of both worlds in my opinion you can use the 3dvcache or high clocked ccd which ever a game prefers or both for productivity.
I love my Arc a770 limited edition. I like to tinker, but all i really play is newer fps games like mw2, overwatch2, fortnite, etc. It's been great for that and super smooth with a 5800x3d.
For measuring power, I'd wouldn't go by software at all. Its expensive at 1000$ Euros, but you need a Powenetics by Cybenetics if accuracy is important to you. It's by Aris from Hardware busters, I'm pretty sure you're familiar with him.
If you want a cheaper alternative, you can use a power meter at the plug. That takes actual (including powerless) power your drawing from the plug. It's not 100% accurate but it's 99%, which is good enough.
videos like this are a feedback-gold mine for intel, i just hope they watch videos like this and/or read the comments from all of their users.. i personally am still on a team green card from 6-7 years ago, i'd love to buy an intel card at some point once their drivers are a little more matured.
I just bought the ASRock Arc A770 16GB yesterday. With the latest Intel drivers, it ran great at 1440p and 165 Hz. These Arc cards are only going to get better with new driver releases. I think Intel's graphics cards are going to be the big disruptor to the stranglehold Nvidia has on the geek community.
These cards have been out for a while, but the two main games you looked at have not. You still aren’t wrong with their performance in those titles, but I think now it’s a matter of Intel’s driver team having the time to fix old issues and issues with new games.
Reluctantly got a 12gb rtx 3060 as was all i could afford & find for my new pc last year. Apart from select rx 6700xt dual fan clearance models,& the inconsistent Arc,its a shame there's no real value 1440p options at a similar price...keep wishing the 4070 U.S. prices were AU instead!
I just want to see what they will manage to do with Battlemage, if they succed to fix the drivers and keep this low pricing, that will turn to be a banger 🥰
@@arenzricodexd4409 Exactly this. People (and the popular RUclipsr's) seem tho think that the current Arc pricing is Intel being agressive or generous. In reality, Arc was not selling at the launch price and Intel even had issues getting partners on board to even make the cards. That is why the prices are so competative at the moment. If Arc does manage to get any traction in the GPU market, Intel will have to increase the price as they are losing money on every card sold at these prices.
My buddy has that issue with Alt tabbing and the game crashes with his a750. It also gives some crazy LSD like effects in Star Citizen when the ships windshield gets wet.
@@lordshitpost31 if you are referencing the star citizen problem, there are several people that have reported having this issue. As far as the alt tab thing, who knows. He loves the card tho. It’s been fine for him other than those minor things.
My capture card was great because it ignored a lot of HDCP nonsense. It had both HDMI and Red-Green-Blue analog the latter of which I used a lot to dodge the few HDCP devices I had.
HDCP is gonna be a dealbreaker. I've never been able to get HDCP to work on any of my displays. I always have to avoid using HDMI altogether if a device needs HDCP to play a disc.
I am possessor of a770 16 Gbyte and i am so happy of my product my computer working very vell (asus rog strix gaming II x299 i9 10940x 64 Gbyte ddr4 3600 patriot )resizable bar active and the card working perfect
I think a lot of people want to bet on Intel, but they are new to the GPU market so most people are hesitant to even buy a GPU from them. A lot of people are planning to wait a couple years to see how the Intel GPUs hold up over time, as their GPU Reputation grows, so will their market share.
I wouldn't run Arc as my primary GPU, but if you have a secondary system of any kind, I see no reason why not to use Arc. While not everything works well, it's generally stable enough. It's not like it goes around crashing every 5 minutes, it actually works as a gaming GPU, and even better as a productivity GPU.. The software maturity just isn't there yet, but it will improve over time.
Give them some time they are new in that department, their cpus in other hand are rock stable. we need a 3th or 4th competitor in desktop cpu market, two are too few
hmm first gen driver issues- really reminds me of Radeon ( not AMD) issues prior to Unified Drivers. so need to wait more for the driver stack to be worked out- thanks for the review
Just installed a ARC 750 in my non gaming PC. No video out until drivers installed but can't install drivers without video out. This makes things difficult. I borrowed another GPU so I could install the intel drivers. All working ok for me now.
I've had an a770 since jan and the only issue i have atm is halo mcc reach performance is rubbish (7fps at times in 1440p). Everything else has been fine for me rwally. No crashes, alt tab works fine for me.
I disagree with statement about AMD drivers. AMD is not properly supporting their cards, especially older ones. Some cards were never supported, like integrated vega, because I think VP9 issues would be resolved by now since release. Bugs, like HDMI scaling halving refresh rate is still preset after 15 or so years (it has been there since HD5000 series) and many times AMD bugged something and never fixed it, like 1st gen GCN getting stuck in UVD clocks when dxva up/downscale is used from 2016 to eol. While these are "windows bugs", games are not completely immune either. Battle eye tends to block AMD driver integrations in some cases, so if you rely on enhanced sync or whatever from drivers, it may not work at all. Opening AMD software (not overlay, since executable for it can cause other issues, so I have it blocked in group policy) during game can be impossible. Intel still got benefit of a doubt considering they had only 9 months since ARC release, while AMD was plagued with some really dumb bugs for years which are still present. I might be wrong, but market share drop agrees with "there is something wrong with AMD GPUs".
It's been over year, not 9 months. A380 launched several months before A750. Also, it is not ONLY. It is ALREADY. Take the negative stance already. It's more objective in this case.
@@noway8662 Compared to AMD, 1 year is not that much time. AMD still has 15 year old bugs. So, AMD drivers got better is objective?! 15 years! The only objective part here is that intel is not for normal users, but AMD is not either. Normal users should not deal with disabling HW acceleration, registry tweaks or use powershell scrips to bypass driver bugs.
Weird i bought a Acer Predator A770, in a fresh instal of windows(using motherboard manufacturer drivers not windows) with a Ryzen 5800x3d,(again with amds own drivers) intels 4502's Arc Drivers) 32gb ram and rebar on etc, I dont get any of the issues you speak of (nor the other reviewers who say similar stuff) the a770 just works so well in everything i play, old and newer games, i play at 1440p and get more fps than your graphs, really silky smooth gameplay i always set my games at ultra.(i dont use ray tracing options)
I thought about arc but seeing as it really needs rebar it was a bad match for an aging 4790k. 6600 has been good and plays very nicely with an leg oled. Interesting you mentioned vertical tearing.. I wonder if they are breaking up the render in to tiles
I got Rebar working on my 4790k and oh my god how deep, difficult and complex an endeavor that was. I pushed through it out of sheer stubbornness, but I wouldn't recommend trying this to anyone, even those with technical experience. I got a A770 16GB for only $180 and still kind of regret it. Save yourself the trouble and just get a used 5700 XT for $100. It's the same performance at the time of writing this.
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Great feedback in the comments for Intel, hopefully they read all the comments and see what issues need to get patched.
I was gonna buy it and you saved me from making a purchase I would not be able to financially recover from for at least 3 years. Thanks for that! That being said, which card would you recommend? People say RTX4060 is bad, RTX4060ti is bad value, RX6700 is 150$ more expensive for only 5% performance bump, RX7600 is at the same price point as A770 and 4060, but I'm not convinced it doesn't have issues of its own, which is what I'll research right after this video, so yeah, what would you recommend? I'd love to aim for slightly better GPUs from Nvidia, but the prices are ridiculous, I could never be able to afford that
Intel arc needs too be paired with intel 10th gen and up with rebar turned on in Mobo Bios for Intel Arc too run and operate correctly .
at 2:25 is it just me or the video was distorted all over the screen on the graph section?
A750 is hard to fucking cool! Seriously, I set CP 2077 to medium 71 degrees. RT Low, 71 degrees! WTF is this card?!
Issues are to be expected but generally I'm happy to see a 3rd competitor in the space to mix things up between AMD and Nvidia and I'm sure once they find their feet they'll start to get to grips with the Driver issues
For a first release, it's honestly pretty damn good. I expect them to have better drivers than AMD in not very long.
That's if they can stick with it, they have a habit of giving up in the GPU space rather easily.
@@traitoR142the problem is the Arc division are not making money. Intel cannot make a product that will continue to bleed the company forever.
They've already fixed numerous issues since launch, let's just hope they continue at this pace (at least).
@@traitoR142 That's the REAL risk when going with Intel. Its not the potential driver issues, its their track record of simply just abandoning new projects that is a threat to gpu buyers. With AMD you will at least have the assurance that they will keep trying to refine drivers your gpu for the next decade (possibly more)/
Thank you for not rapping 😊
lmao
Arc's biggest problem is it is inconsistent system to system. Some setups it performs and behaves a LOT better, or a LOT worse. The only problem I can say is universal, be it visual issues like tearing or black screens though is 1st Gen ARC HATES old displays. If you have a monitor that's more than 5 years old; just don't bother, nor with multimonitor. Your typical 1440p 144hz monitor from a decent brand like LG/Samsung/Acer is fine though.
Sounds like the same headache I've dealt with using ATI/AMD products over the last two decades, and they seem to be finally figuring it out.
Intel will get it worked out.
@@dangerous8333 Exactly, I'm willing to go easy on Intel at this point as they are new to the GPU game. When Battlemage is released then that willingness to go easy on them won't be there as they should have learned what to improve driver wise from their Alchemist GPUs.
What happens with old monitors? And you're talking about any screen or only gaming screens?
@@H53. had issues with a 60hz Asus monitor. my monitors 6 years old. didn't have any issues on my new Asus monitor 165hz . I got black screens on my older monitor from time to time coming off a fresh boot. never had that issue on my newer monitor
edited - my old monitor works fine with my main rig which has had Nvidia and amd GPUs in it .
@@olddadagamer i am pretty sure monitor doesn't cause it, cause the signal is one-way(unless its gysync or free-sync) supported, the problem could be bad signal or RAMDAC, but still even a crt should work, monitor is just an output nothing else...
Thanks for making this video. As a former A380 user experiencing the software issues, the BIOS hurdles, the insane power consumption even on idle (17W) and the fact that Battlemage is possibly a whole year away and may not address all those issues... I appreciate you standing by your position that Arc can't be recommended.
I regret falling for all the narratives about 'We need to support a 3rd competitor' and 'Nvidia and AMD are greedy so we got to support the little guy' and all the marketing about Arc's performance.
But yeah, I realized I couldn't wait for Battlemage and decided to get an RX 7600. I can't believe how great it is to not worry about power consumption (idle), having a great software like Radeon Chill and Super Resolution, and just having a stable reliable product.
And I say this as someone who was in a financially precarious situation and was desperate for an upgrade (the 1050Ti was barely viable). So Arc seemed very attractive to me. But you're right, the unreliable hardware and software doesn't justify the 'competitive' prices. And i dont think enough reviewers are pointing them out when doing head to head comparisons.
So, thank you. I wish 2022-self was here to see your video (=
I gave the a750 a chance and it was great as a display out for bios, but it black screened past the Mobo splash no matter the settings tried. I didn't even get a chance to try it in games. Shame
@@breakdown7153 Damn... that sucks. I hope you wee able to return it
as an a770 owner this is definitely the most accurate review I've seen yet
It is good or bad (GPU)
@@INBAEDITOR Yes.
@@INBAEDITOR it's a yes GPU
@@INBAEDITORi was shocked when i got it it's a yes gpu
Beta test )))
I've been using the Arc a770 16gb for 3 months now and I couldn't have been happier with it. It has it's small quirks but nice card all around.
This the best video made yet on all the key problems to be fixed on ARC asap. And I'm a supporter and have watched so many of these. Well done
I'm an Arc owner, only encountered one of those, games not launching a second time after quitting. With nvme technology you get a 30 second delay to launch the game again.
Thanks man, yeah I genuinely want intel to succeed in the GPU space, hopefully they can get the product up to speed asap.
Bs, I criticized your last video for being overly pessimistic and talking bs, I still think the same.
I've got an A750 and I'm not experiencing any crashes what so ever. The software could use some more features though, like undervolting and a quick button for recording, but I do not really record so not an issue for me personally.
I do experience a minor problem though and that is my 2nd monitor loosing the sound feed for a second or two every now & then over the HDMI, and yes it's a very old monitor probably 15-20 years old.
Considerring I got mine really cheap converted to U$D= 147 makes it really good bang/buck.
I completely recommend the 770, they drop new driver fixes all the time and performance gets better and better, Ive had just as many problems over the years with both Nvidia and AMD both, 16 gigs of vram is awesome and as a productivity card its going to age really well, not everything is about how a card "games".
Glad to hear that you want to go back to the used pc parts and pc build.
Honestly I enjoyed your series of turning $100 into a high end PC, watched em 3 times and I do still enjoy them.
I hope you will do something similar in the near future.
In Bangladesh, the gunnir a750 is just 270usd where the 7600 is 340usd. The a750 falls in my budget. Also it looks really good triple fan model. I was wanting to buy this card for 1080p gaming but I'm aware of the issues. Thanks for making this video for awareness.
I really like the A750. I have a 3060Ti but I have a separate sort of test bench PC with my old 1700X (blast from the past right?), 12GB's of RAM, two M.2's, and a really old AMD GPU. I've wanted to upgrade to something like a 5700G for it but I might bum a 5700X or 5600X and throw it in with an A750
@@nateo200 5600 or 5700x are so good value for money rn!
@@shahnewaz9700kf Yeah I’m concerned about PCIe 3.0 on the 5700X/G though. Need to see if the A750 has PCIe 3.0
@@nateo200 b550 has pcie 4 right? B450 or a520 have pcie 3
@@shahnewaz9700kf Ah totally forgot yeah I’m stuck with PCIe cuz it’s actually a B350M but with bios for up to a 5800X3D
Your video just confirms what Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed have been saying about ARC since they first got their hands on most of their products. It's interesting but the drivers experience make it quite to recommend despite the very competitive pricing :)
AMD has the same issue when they launch there first gpu...
It's not for everyone, if you want value from your money, your system isn't old AF, you got some patience and know your way aroudnd a computer, you can buy ARC and as you saw on those comparisons, you'll get a massive performance in newer games, even better performance than costly GPUs such as 3060 or 4060.
That's literally AMD all the way up to just a few years ago.
If it only takes Intel a year or two to fix their firmware, they're already ahead of AMD.
@@notrixamoris3318AMD has had that issue for two decades. It only changed in the last couple years.
@dakrawnik4208 They weren't wrong though, ARC launched horribly, thanlfully they fixed it
My A750 is amazing. I have never had an ounce of regret. Of course I play games like BG3, Diablo4, Warhammer3... I also play exclusively at 4k resolution because these aren't FPS. I would 100% buy again. It's a game changer for the price. Oh and never one crash in like 6 months. Maybe it's your memory?
I could not recreate the screen tearing or missing cursor in Diablo 4 either.
It's incredible as a cheap Unreal Engine card and raytracing card for Blender and other 3D DCC apps. It's my new budget option at $300-$400 range with 16 GiB VRAM and 256-bit bus.
Finally, a productivity analysis!
Interesting that I don't get anymore crashes for the past 2 months on Intel Arc? I also just recently got second A770 16GB for 200€ which was apparently crashing, bsods etc ... hooked it up on both of my systems and it worked like a charm. Also no problems on 4k gaming with either 12900k system or testbench which is an overclocked 5950x with RAM as well. Power consumption though ... idle 40w unless you want to sacrifice some performance with the MAX POWER SAVING feature.
As a long time pc builder. I regret purchasing an Intel Arc because it simply does not work properly on an older system that does not support re-bar.
And my unit has 100% fan issue on day 1 of testing it on a mobo that supports re-bar.
THEY DONT HAVE FAN CONTROL IN THEIR INTEL ARC CONTROL software.
What a joke
I used a Arc a750, my experience is quite good, I don’t regret to buy this card.
However, I think the most important thing for Intel is to release a big patch update to improve DX11 performance, like what they did toDX9.
Really good overview of all the Intel issues. I think a lot of tech reviewers are overlooking a lot of these issues, and not thinking how impactful a lot of them will be to someone that ends up using the card day in day out. It's good Intel are working to sort them out, but I don't see how Intel can credibly be recommended as an alternative to Nvidia/AMD (unless their cards were sold at like 40/50% of what the AMD/Nvidia equivalents are selling for and even then I'm not sure they'd be worth the hassle/stress that these issues would cause in the long run).
can't over look them if We didn't have them to over look. Been running my a770 almost a month and not a single issue on the 5900x build and now running it on a 6th gen i7 and still working just fine How ever it of course loses some performance on the old system, but still out performing the 2070S that was in there
I just installed an A750 in my test machine and so far it runs pretty well. In Borderlands 3 I was getting 2 to 3 hundred fps but the game was almost unplayable due to graphics glitching down to near zero fps. I set vsync and the game was perfectly playable. I am glad I bought this card for testing because I build pc's for people and I want to know if I can reccomend this card to someone. Not done yet, but with your list of drawbacks it's not likely.
A little update: With the 4514 driver most everything seems to be running silky smooth. I do however have two games that crash ( Halo Infinite and Warhammer 40.000 Darktide). I also have some artifacts in Borderlands 3 (tried display port and hdmi). I went back to the 4502 driver and that cured the artifacts, but the game is not as smooth.
I like my Intel Arc a750, but I'm not a gamer, and I might not like it if I was. I had big problems when I first installed the a750 about 4 months ago, but with the latest drivers I'm having no problems right now.
Your capture cards not working is interesting. My cheap generic capture card works most of the time with my Arc A380. The only issue I sometimes get is the audio in some older games will not work when the A380 is plugged into the capture card.
The Taipei Parts Hunt is the gift that keeps on giving.
I've had an A750 since late January and have only noticed great driver improvements. The games I play haven't had any stutters, lag, or issues (expect an issue in Cyberpunk where the floor disappeared but I believe that was the game). I've also used it to stream with AV1 a few times with no issues. I've also rendered a few 4k videos and worked on countless Photoshop/Affinity files with ease. I am on the opposite side and highly recommend them. 🤷♂️
Thank you for being the most honest reviewer and enthusiast out there. You told the truth and didn't lie about the hype and for that, you have earned my respect!!! Everyone else is talking about Intel being competitive with AMD and Nvidia and they are so far behind that it isn't even funny.
I'm noy trying to be a fan boy but I have a arc a750 and it has none of the problems mentioned. I run mine on a 1080p 165hz display and I have rarely any problems besides video playback problems on RUclips. I also use my arc as my daily driver.
Do not trust techtubers, they are all compromised in one way or another to keep ushering everyone into the Nvidia/AMD duopoly GPU box. Do your own research and buy what is best value/performance for YOUR specific needs, not what these shill techtubers want you to believe!
Right now, the best value option is Intel ARC. So long as you avoid paying more than MSRP for one. Drivers will continue to improve well into next year and thruout BattleMage, which is why techtubers want to ensure these cards get as few buyers as possible so as to not ruin their affiliated link Nvidia legacy sales.
the power consumption reported by software is the asic power which is gpu core only, this is NOT total board board power. So you have to add Memory, Display, switching losses and fans to that, which is a good 20 to 30w.
alt tabbing is not an issue for me, i can tab out of my games all day and in fact i do that. its related to your games or System, not a general issue at least.
I also have never seen the horizontal sync issue. i use two arc cards in different System on different displays since oct 2022.
i also never had issues starting games, including cyberpunk.
Also, my a770 and a750 run perfectly fine in 4k 120hz with my LG c9 oled via hdmi.
I had issues with screen black flickering, but i could fix that by cleaning the pcie contacts and reseating the card properly.
for me arc just runs well. Im very happy with my a770 in my work PC.
Thanks for the research and testing. Great content as always
Have used an A770 as my only gpu for the past two months. Am currently shopping for a replacement. Performance is, put simply, abysmal in too many games. Halo MCC, Deus Ex Human Revolution, Tomb Raider 2013, even Assassin's Creed Unity AFTER the supposed "big fix" update (4514 driver) - there's constant frame-drop and low utilization when there's any sort of serious draw distance loaded. There are some games where Arc performs well, like Cyberpunk and Borderlands 3, but they're too few and far between to make Arc a worthwhile purchase for gamers.
Productivity is an entirely different story, though not one I've tested very well. I've only run some QSV-accelerated Handbrake encodes, and edited some videos using Vegas 15. Both have been rapid, crash-free experiences (touch wood). But my main purpose in buying an A770 was gaming, and for me - who plays a lot of classic DX9, DX10 and DX11 games - Arc has been a massive disappointment.
A bargain used GTX 1070 would have served you well for those types of games as it has me for 4king those. I am mainly getting ARC for newer games now. Fingers crossed when I dk
@@fathammy Why, though? RTX 3060 12gb's are cheap now. I can't think of a single reason to buy A750 or A770 over that.
Great video! Very informative and interesting. I too always want to support the underdog and graphics cards definitely need a strong 3rd competitor... Plus it completes the team Red, Green, and Blue (RGB) colour scheme trio hehe
Great video. I've linked to it in comments to Aftershock who are spruiking Arc with ridiculous FPS.
Forced HDCP is a deal breaker here.
Although TBH they still look awesome for a first generation product and give a lot of hope for Battlemage.
Arc is not first generation, it's DG2 which is already 2nd gen. First gen was DG1.
@@pkpnyt4711I think I saw on a ETA Prime video where he uses an Asus DG1 card , right ??
@@JoshuaG yup, there's a couple of other reviewers who used DG1 when it launched.
@pkpnyt4711 The DG1 was never officially released for retail sale though, at least not in the North American market, and samples of the "production" unit are about as rare as an i7-995X...another Intel product that was never truly released but was occasionally found in the wild.
Thanks for the report. Excellent work. Regarding AMD drivers getting better with rdna3, can you develop this point? I'm asking because i hqve a friwnd who bought a 7900xtx and he reported the same old driver issues, like random freezes, black screens while gaming, etc. He was very dissapointed as a fresh pc gamer, unexperienced, altought i told him so about the history with bad drivers on AMD side.
That sounds like power issues not driver problems. Is he running a decent 1000w power supply with no adapters on the power cables? Even my 5700xt would do what your describing if I tried to use a pcie cable with 2 plugs on it.
@@geofrancis2001 Yes, its not a power delivery peoblem because some driver versions work better than others and he's got a very high end system, including psu no compromises.
Great review and findings about drivers problem, thx.
A770 owner. Replaced an Nvidia 2070 super and couldn't be happier. Now to be fair I've seen a fps decrease in most games but what this card lacks in game performance it makes up for ten fold with encoding. I went from having to make concessions to quality to stream with the Nvidia decoder. With the Intel card I have been able to raise every setting to maximum quality. Not only does streaming/recording not drop performance as with the Nvidia card I now pick up between 5 and 12 fps when activating the encoder. On the review bench it's easy to make a list. In the real world when you aren't looking to pick it apart it becomes clear these cards are a world apart for any creator trying to get 2 PC performance from a single PC setup.
The HDMI flickering issue, i am experiencing it as well. As far as i could find, it is because it is not a true HDMI 2.1 on the ARC cards, they slapped some sort of adapter on to meet the 2.1 standards so they can brand it as 2.1.
But a lot of TVs are having issues with the way they are running 4k 120hz out of the hdmi port, might have to do with bandwidth.
I have a TCL 6 series, and it is fine with 4k60hz but when i set it to 4k120hz it cant handle it, and constantly cuts out.
Could be compatibility issues with the adapter as well.
I would like to see other side of the coin, best case scenarios for intel GPUs, like what could be it's potential if those issues with drivers are ever sorted.
Maybe if you wait 10 years.
The bottom line is even when you did that NV would still be 10 years ahead.
The best case scenario would basically be a 3070. The A770 was targeting the 3070. It has similar TDP, and a similar die size to it.
Yeah when ur gaving were havig fun as well i do miss ur old videos where u do big pc parts hunts configuring x58 , testing different cpus and gpus , showing tweaks how to extract max fps .
I feel like you’re definitely living on the edge by daily driving one of these cards. It’d be fun to be a gamer guinea pig but I’d prefer a more stable experience
1:34 jesus do you have the S tier druid from icy veins? absolute wreckage. im hyped to get the proper aspects and skills for my A tier sorcerer
Can we please go back and look at ATI and Nvidia's first year in discrete graphics?
I'd suggest to you both were fraught with issues. I was there for both of those.
While I have not had any real issues with my A770, I don't expect everything in a driver to be done in a year.
Is everything peachy with Intel? No.
The release drivers were terrible and who ever ran that division should have been replaced.
That said...it has come a long way since.
As to the popups.. I use 7-zip to extract the drivers from the .exe, then only load the driver...never the ARC control.
My biggest niggle to date is no capture radio button.
I'm still using OBS for game capture as a result.
The card runs properly in every DX9 and later game I own because I have it properly matched and I have a properly configured BIOS.
Heck! it even does VR well.
Try VR on competing cards in that price range.
That ought to be interesting.
I have to say, my A380 has been absolutely solid in my media server for hardware transcoding. I absolutely love it. But I wouldn't recommend Intel unless the price is significantly better than the comeptition and the person wanting to buy it plays 90% DX12 games.
I would hold on to those cards, and keep testing them against anything that pops up in the future. Even If they get smacked around by other cards. Please massage those drivers Intel. I think I would have been tempted to do a casual Hulk Smash after getting a good deal on new cards that are basically unstable. Great video.
Been running an ASrock intel Arc a770 16gb OC for almost a month and its been nothing but great
I think you're too harsh on Intel for their Arc cards. They're in no way as bad as you make them out to be, especially when you use them as daily drivers for more than a few hours/days. It also depends a fair bit on what setup you use. Each one wields sometimes drastically different results.
Hello, Make a comparison video between the performance of Intel Arc on Intel and AMD CPUs
4:00 it is not memory compression that is the problem but the speed and latency of swapping data between VRAM and RAM. This is why Intel is so vehement about reducing the number of bus transfers with resizeable BAR, because every single bus transfer seems to be much more expensive for their card.
I had the alt+tabbing game crash and other weird crashes, also on an asrock board. I also noticed arc control was saying resizable bar was off even though it was on. A bios update completely fixed my issue and now I can alt tab out flawlessly, and resizable bar is working properly.
It has its flaws but it's a damn good first attempt, I hope they'll do a better job the next time around (Knock on wood they don't shelve the intel GPU department)
Maybe start punching the wood. It's pretty much a skeleton crew for the next two gens
@@JBrinx18 God I love haters, the A750 I bought 5 months ago is now a new GPU, I didn't wanna go all in with A770 because Intel didn't prove themselves back then. They've shown what they're capable of and word of mouth goes around, people with upper mid tier GPUs are actually excited to see what Intel has to offer with Battlemage and definitely considering swapping because of the value for money.
@@N_N23296 You know shit, they ordered the chips for the 2nd gen from TSMC :D
@@N_N23296 I actually do, they've made a new architecture for graphics which also can do computing at great speeds. New Intel CPUs will have integrated ARC GPUs inside the chipsets, pretty much like Apple's M2. IGPUs and discrete GPUs are becoming a thing with ıntel.
@@lordshitpost31 but, they aren't coming out with anything until late 2024, IF they keep to schedule unlike this time. We'll have 5000/8000 series by then. Look, I want 3 competitors too, but there aren't great signs they'll be competitive for quite a bit, and they are dropping lots of other projects. Single die run for Battlemage, single die run for Celestial currently. Best I would hope for with Battlemage is 3070 ti/6800 performance, but it could be 6700 performance, which is already at $280
I love my intel arc a750 been amazing with my i3 12th gen with ddr5 and 750 psu and it’s been amazing pc since I built it
why don't you include the 3060 Ti in your benchmarks?? It's supposed to be, with the 3060, what the A770 aims for, and you're comparing it to a 6-7 years old 1060
Just as an FYI I had Arc A750 problems (random blackscreening) when I connected it to a 32" 4K HDR Samsung TV. An nVidia RTX3080Ti system had zero problems with the same TV and HDMI cable. The A750 loss-of-display issues went away after I purchased a brand new HDMI cable, so for sure, the Intel card is pickier about the quality of your cable than nVidia's cards. I've since upgraded the A750 display to a Gigabyte 32U (now using Displayport) and the A750 still isn't having display issues.
I don't game in 4k or use capture features so I can't comment on that but I haven't experienced the other problems you've encountered. Aside from a couple older games that wouldn't run at all, my A770 have been rock solid. (I have the Bifrost, btw, which does feature an adjustable voltage slider.) D4 runs at 50C at stock in my 12400F rig. I just bought an A770 LE for a new 13600K I'm putting together now, will be interesting to see if there's any difference with the Bifrost.
Forza Horizon 3, 4 & 5, ACC, MSFS2020, iracing, Automobilista 2, rfactor 2, Dirt Rally 2.0, BeamNG all work really well on A770. Great to hear F1 is now improved with new drivers.
Has the rush to get Arc into shape had a knock-on effect with the Intel i-gpu's or is it just me? I recently got a second-hand 11th gen ultrabook for work and was surprised to find it can basically run anything at playable framerates with reasonable settings, even Diablo 4 runs well on it. I'd been led to believe that intel has horrible integrated graphics but I've come away pretty impressed!
Yeah, it's the same basic architecture and uses the same driver. Probably unintentional, but I would imagine Iris Xe performs better now than it did a year ago.
I got an RX 6800 for 400 euros six months ago and I'm very happy and very good for a while.
I like to play older games and Intel basically emulates DX9.
I'm happy for the competition.
These GPU's are a work in progress - same as earlier Radeon AGP cards when I was younger. Patience is a virtue. But yes, probably not for the faint hearted or the inexperienced.
Great analyses ! Keep up the good work . 🍻🕊️😇
This is a real shame as I almost bought an Intel A770 16gb but decided to wait, I had no idea it was still this bad. I do think though that when they get it right, if not with these cards but maybe the next ones they could make AMD an Nvidia shake in there boots. For now though I'll stick with the AMD card I upgraded to recently, sorry Intel you'll have to wait a bit longer.
You know. It`s much worse than that.
Because problems are different on different platforms.
So you`re in for one hell of a surprise.
If that`s your thing.
I've been using ARC cards for over a year now without issue. People who say they are bad generally either haven't tested them or are fanboys who look for the worst in things so they can continue to regurgitate the same BS that suits their bias.
@@p_sn00ter ........without issue..........
You`re the fanboy here and straight out lying, because that`s impossible.
@@brugj03 you are the only fanboy here bro.
I am using Arc A750 for 5 months, my general experience is smooth, just a few very minor issue.
I currently using Sapphire GPRO X080 * Mining Rx 6700 no video outputs, after bios flash and few new registry lines I passing image via iGPU on AMD original drivers ;) Also you can add physical outputs to this card but this is 30 SMD per port including 10x 0201 - and they as smal like grain of sand. I get quote on local repair shop for $60 per port :)
I sure hope the folks at INTEL have watched your video...have you on a priority list of ALPHA/BETA-test recipients...and incentivize TYC through some type of pre-launch sample gifting across their GPU product line. A comprehensive user-test report, well done!
Sharing a written list of grievances is super ironic on the 4th of July. well done.
Driver issues aside, IMO, one big issue with the current Intel ARC GPUs is that Resizable BAR is a must to get the most performance out of it.
I do hope Intel bring the pain with whatever they're planning next-gen because I'm just tired of seeing NVIDIA and AMD play and treat their customers like some walking bank account.
Totally agree. And not only a walking banking account, but also one that doesn't complain about the (to be frank), absolutely ridiculous driver issues and engineering oversight, like the power connectors for the 4090. Not only that but the sheer size and power draw of these new cards.
According to what i saw in another youtube video, Intel GPU development started running into problems when the driver development team, who are Russian based, were affected by the sanctions on Russia, and Intel had to move operations to Israel. This along with issues created by the pandemic had very negative effects on Intel's ability to complete the development of the product, and apparently they still haven't sorted everything out to this day.
Weird how they don't do it in America, guess paying for healthcare and finding an actual decent engineer must be impossible these days.
ive been a day one user of the A770 in my office pc at work and to say its been a wild ride is an under statement. i do hardly any gaming on it some times half an hour or so after work while i kill time between leaving work and other commitments and when i have its been a shit show of games not loading at all or loading with major bugs... for a full month i had to deal with "input mode not supported" on my second screen becuase something was borked in the drivers.
Do you mostly play older games? That's a fact, Arc doesn't run older games :/
i still like my A770 LE, but i wouldn't recommend ARC either at this point unless you can make use of the A770's 16GB VRAM somehow. while i haven't had many issues with my card (i only really play one game, though), it's just not a good purchase for other reasons. Intel hasn't really slashed ARC prices since RTX 40 and RX 7000 came out, so you'd get previous-gen performance for current-gen prices, especially with the A770. the A750 is looking much more competitive in that regard, but it's still an "old" part. on top of that, ARC is pretty power-inefficient, particularly against the frugal RTX 4060.
i do have high hopes for ARC's future, though, and hotly anticipate the 2nd generation's improvements
Realest reviewer awesome awesome stuff as always
Id love to try one, but I don't feel it would give enough uplift over my 5700 XT. I will be trying battlemage though!
Hi Bryan or others, what you think about getting a rx 580 8gb? I can get one for 90 euro in a 2nd shop, dunno if it's been mined on. I really won't be playing newer games but will be hopefully Playing older games at 4k. I'm coming from a r9 380 4gb that I'm currently using for 1080p. I've a Ryzen 2600 but will eventually upgrade that to a 5600 or 5700x. No rush on me because of the current crisis width fake wars, fake inflation etc.
I ain't got 300 euro plus for a new GPU, prices in my country are crap.
Polaris drivers are stable, and 8gb is enough for settings it can still pull off. I think it's a perfect cheap temp card.
RX 580 is almost exactly 50% of performance of cards like RX 6650XT. So you can play a lot of stuff native, or even new games with FSR2.
I'm really rooting for Intel to get a good chunk of NVdia's market dominance since AMD can't seem to do it. However I will wait for their 4th Gen Druid architecture to let their tech mature several more years before I make the switch. Just got a brand new AMD card recently and maybe in 5 years Druid will come out.. perfect time for me.
same here , just got an xtx from AMD and love it but would love to see 5 years from now how things look , i guess high end cards will have 48gigs of Vram by then
Intel only took market share from AMD. If this keeps up AMD will spin off the GPU division and sell it to Microsoft.
Only one correction, druid would be their 5th gen as Arc is DG2 which is 2nd gen. DG1 was 1st gen. I'm with you on everything though, I'll look at Intel once they make it to Celestial or Druid.
Yeah, but at some point we should be encouraging people to buy some of intel's arc cards. If everyone just goes "well I will wait until 'x' gen", then we are never gonna get there.
@JustSomeDinosaurPerson you don't encourage someone to buy inferior products so they can deal with the problems. Intel is still making billions and they need to produce better products before they get any charity from any consumer.
hoping battlemage will be a smoother launch because nvidia and amd at the moment look completely not interested in the mainstream segment ($200 - $300)
Intel most likely will not going all out to fill that gap either with battlemage. If they do then battlemage probably will be the last Arc we see on desktop market.
I am using A770 on Linux, and I just wish Intel spend at least 1/10 of the effort they spend on Windows to support Linux. I mean, they provide complex GUI utility for Windows, and yet, they don't provide even a bare-minimum CLI utility for Linux to configure basic things like turning off the damn LED light.
How is the performance with up to date drivers? The benchmarks from 2-3 months ago from e.g phoronix suggest the performance is very bad and far behind windows and other cards on anything using Vulkan.
@@olnnn Don't know. I don't play games. I bought A770 to use video decoding, Blender and A.I. image generation. Video decoding seems working, but unfortunately, for the moment, Blender crashes if GPU rendering is enabled. They are working on it, so that problem is said to be fixed soon. A.I. image generation works, but I am not sure if it is fast or not, because the speed varies greatly depending on the image model.
Wanted to get a limited a770 for my gpu collection but seems like most new are gone now that they stopped making that version. I like collecting gpu’s and testing them. I actually bought a Radeon vii brand new thats a small club but my main systems run a 3080ti and a 4090. I want to pick up a 7900xtx just waiting to see if they drop more i really like the sapphire nitro card. When I buy amd cards I normally go with the sapphire nitro. The 7900xt also starting to look better hopefully it drops even more. I think people give the new amd top tier cards too much hell. I love my 4090 but honestly i dont use ray tracing much and rasterization on the xtx is pretty good compared to the 4090 considering how much cheaper it is. And if you playing at 1080p or 1440p the amd cards have less cpu overhead and honestly the only reason i wanted the 4090 was to play at 4k. The 3080ti was still a decent 4k card it just struggled on a couple of the new really demanding games. But I think most of it is game optimization and the 4090 can just brute force performance.
I don't feel like a 7900xtx is a good purchase for a GPU collection when you already have a 3080 ti and a 4090, there's really nothing special about it. The Intel card makes a lot more sense.
@@username8644 its just more about having both top tier products. I like playing gaming but i also love benchmarking and testing games just as much. Also want to pick up the 6 core 3dvcache part when it comes out to put in my tinker itx build. I think microcenter is the only place you can buy it when it comes out. I’ve pretty much moved to ryzen on my main builds but would like to try a 13900k. Running a 7950x3d and 5800x3d in my main rigs i use everyday. I really love the 7950x3d i think it gets too much hell its the best of both worlds in my opinion you can use the 3dvcache or high clocked ccd which ever a game prefers or both for productivity.
I love my Arc a770 limited edition. I like to tinker, but all i really play is newer fps games like mw2, overwatch2, fortnite, etc. It's been great for that and super smooth with a 5800x3d.
eyyyyy, I got a 5800X3D and the limited edition too!
I was waiting for the undervolting and the A750 can't be, I'm about to order 1, its cheap right now but can't save from the bills
For measuring power, I'd wouldn't go by software at all. Its expensive at 1000$ Euros, but you need a Powenetics by Cybenetics if accuracy is important to you. It's by Aris from Hardware busters, I'm pretty sure you're familiar with him.
If you want a cheaper alternative, you can use a power meter at the plug. That takes actual (including powerless) power your drawing from the plug. It's not 100% accurate but it's 99%, which is good enough.
@@N_N23296 Don’t know, don’t care. I’m merely pointing out that monitoring power using software isn’t accurate.
@@N_N23296 as you said, its his channel not mine. He can do what he wants. Why defensive all of sudden?
videos like this are a feedback-gold mine for intel, i just hope they watch videos like this and/or read the comments from all of their users..
i personally am still on a team green card from 6-7 years ago, i'd love to buy an intel card at some point once their drivers are a little more matured.
I just bought the ASRock Arc A770 16GB yesterday. With the latest Intel drivers, it ran great at 1440p and 165 Hz. These Arc cards are only going to get better with new driver releases. I think Intel's graphics cards are going to be the big disruptor to the stranglehold Nvidia has on the geek community.
These cards have been out for a while, but the two main games you looked at have not. You still aren’t wrong with their performance in those titles, but I think now it’s a matter of Intel’s driver team having the time to fix old issues and issues with new games.
Reluctantly got a 12gb rtx 3060 as was all i could afford & find for my new pc last year. Apart from select rx 6700xt dual fan clearance models,& the inconsistent Arc,its a shame there's no real value 1440p options at a similar price...keep wishing the 4070 U.S. prices were AU instead!
stellar video mate
I just want to see what they will manage to do with Battlemage, if they succed to fix the drivers and keep this low pricing, that will turn to be a banger 🥰
They already have fixed the drivers, mostly. Alchemist already is a banger, Battlemage can't go wrong so I'm saving money to upgrade from A to B.
@@lordshitpost31 Really? Can't go wrong? Have you seen Intel's execution over the last 5 years?
@@stuartedwards6996 Yea, also an Arc owner, even upgraded but decided the performance difference wasn't worth the price difference.
There is no way intel can keep that low pricing. If they cannot generate profit with Arc they will stop making them.
@@arenzricodexd4409 Exactly this. People (and the popular RUclipsr's) seem tho think that the current Arc pricing is Intel being agressive or generous. In reality, Arc was not selling at the launch price and Intel even had issues getting partners on board to even make the cards. That is why the prices are so competative at the moment. If Arc does manage to get any traction in the GPU market, Intel will have to increase the price as they are losing money on every card sold at these prices.
Hiya, Bryan! Just checking in! Hope all is well! :D
Hey brother, how you been?
@@techyescity Still busy unfortunately! Currently dealing with some financial issues but hopefully we can pull through! Take care of yourself!
Can we get a list of the driver bugs please?
My buddy has that issue with Alt tabbing and the game crashes with his a750. It also gives some crazy LSD like effects in Star Citizen when the ships windshield gets wet.
Could be his system, I've never encountered that with my A750.
@@lordshitpost31 if you are referencing the star citizen problem, there are several people that have reported having this issue. As far as the alt tab thing, who knows. He loves the card tho. It’s been fine for him other than those minor things.
My capture card was great because it ignored a lot of HDCP nonsense. It had both HDMI and Red-Green-Blue analog the latter of which I used a lot to dodge the few HDCP devices I had.
We need a Tech Yes Rap though 🤗 Maybe AI can help you with the rhymes 🤗
What about the A380?
It is a streaming addon card for AV1 encoding
But it is not available to buy or its price is too crazy, a new or used Radeon 6600 serves better
HDCP is gonna be a dealbreaker. I've never been able to get HDCP to work on any of my displays. I always have to avoid using HDMI altogether if a device needs HDCP to play a disc.
I am possessor of a770 16 Gbyte and i am so happy of my product my computer working very vell (asus rog strix gaming II x299 i9 10940x 64 Gbyte ddr4 3600 patriot )resizable bar active and the card working perfect
I think a lot of people want to bet on Intel, but they are new to the GPU market so most people are hesitant to even buy a GPU from them.
A lot of people are planning to wait a couple years to see how the Intel GPUs hold up over time, as their GPU Reputation grows, so will their market share.
This dude is all bs, I wasn't sure either but took the leap, glad I have.
I wouldn't run Arc as my primary GPU, but if you have a secondary system of any kind, I see no reason why not to use Arc. While not everything works well, it's generally stable enough. It's not like it goes around crashing every 5 minutes, it actually works as a gaming GPU, and even better as a productivity GPU.. The software maturity just isn't there yet, but it will improve over time.
Give them some time they are new in that department, their cpus in other hand are rock stable. we need a 3th or 4th competitor in desktop cpu market, two are too few
I fully expect Intel to have better GPU drivers than AMD in just a few generations.
hmm first gen driver issues- really reminds me of Radeon ( not AMD) issues prior to Unified Drivers. so need to wait more for the driver stack to be worked out- thanks for the review
Just installed a ARC 750 in my non gaming PC. No video out until drivers installed but can't install drivers without video out.
This makes things difficult. I borrowed another GPU so I could install the intel drivers. All working ok for me now.
I've had an a770 since jan and the only issue i have atm is halo mcc reach performance is rubbish (7fps at times in 1440p). Everything else has been fine for me rwally.
No crashes, alt tab works fine for me.
I have an Arc A770 16GB LE for 2-3 months now and had 0 issues with crashes/bugs and 0 issues with drivers.
I disagree with statement about AMD drivers. AMD is not properly supporting their cards, especially older ones. Some cards were never supported, like integrated vega, because I think VP9 issues would be resolved by now since release. Bugs, like HDMI scaling halving refresh rate is still preset after 15 or so years (it has been there since HD5000 series) and many times AMD bugged something and never fixed it, like 1st gen GCN getting stuck in UVD clocks when dxva up/downscale is used from 2016 to eol. While these are "windows bugs", games are not completely immune either. Battle eye tends to block AMD driver integrations in some cases, so if you rely on enhanced sync or whatever from drivers, it may not work at all. Opening AMD software (not overlay, since executable for it can cause other issues, so I have it blocked in group policy) during game can be impossible.
Intel still got benefit of a doubt considering they had only 9 months since ARC release, while AMD was plagued with some really dumb bugs for years which are still present. I might be wrong, but market share drop agrees with "there is something wrong with AMD GPUs".
It's been over year, not 9 months. A380 launched several months before A750.
Also, it is not ONLY. It is ALREADY. Take the negative stance already. It's more objective in this case.
@@noway8662 Compared to AMD, 1 year is not that much time. AMD still has 15 year old bugs. So, AMD drivers got better is objective?! 15 years!
The only objective part here is that intel is not for normal users, but AMD is not either. Normal users should not deal with disabling HW acceleration, registry tweaks or use powershell scrips to bypass driver bugs.
Weird i bought a Acer Predator A770, in a fresh instal of windows(using motherboard manufacturer drivers not windows) with a Ryzen 5800x3d,(again with amds own drivers) intels 4502's Arc Drivers) 32gb ram and rebar on etc, I dont get any of the issues you speak of (nor the other reviewers who say similar stuff) the a770 just works so well in everything i play, old and newer games, i play at 1440p and get more fps than your graphs, really silky smooth gameplay i always set my games at ultra.(i dont use ray tracing options)
I thought about arc but seeing as it really needs rebar it was a bad match for an aging 4790k. 6600 has been good and plays very nicely with an leg oled.
Interesting you mentioned vertical tearing..
I wonder if they are breaking up the render in to tiles
I got Rebar working on my 4790k and oh my god how deep, difficult and complex an endeavor that was. I pushed through it out of sheer stubbornness, but I wouldn't recommend trying this to anyone, even those with technical experience. I got a A770 16GB for only $180 and still kind of regret it. Save yourself the trouble and just get a used 5700 XT for $100. It's the same performance at the time of writing this.