Since India and Pakistan are both countries where cricket is very popular, I’d be curious to see if cricket translates to their lack of back leg follow through like Zelezny and Vetter.
Great stuff as always....Would you agree that the high kick is a result of a (more) solid, jarring block and increased distance between the squatty right foot contact and said block? Both Z and Vetter seem to have a more distance between the right and left feet when the missile is released. The Indian and Pakistanian seem to roll through the block.
Thank you appreciate it! Yes that long block stride does seem to contribute to it, because it allows the back hip to rotate through a bit more before the block hits, then that final reaction comes after the block and causes the high kick in the back
Notice how the block leg angle is much lower, block foot way out front, with the 90m+ throws. The block catapults them up. The resultant is the kick. Should we be focusing on getting the throwers block leg further in front? Thanks again for your excellent videos. You are really providing great info!!
@@whcurl thank you! and yes I like to think of keeping the block leg long out in front but low to the ground so your back foot and front foot hit as quickly together as possible
In order to achieve the donkey kick, would you also say you have to consciously try to extend the right knee, right after the squatty back foot contact so your right foot is in the right position for the pop up? Or should you rather reach further forward for the block leg so your back leg has enough room to stay back and pop up. Sorry long question. Very helpful video btw 🙌🏾
So I wouldn't say its a "Conscious" extension, its more of a "soft" back foot, so that your momentum will naturally carry the back hip and knee forward 85% of the way, by the point the block hits, the foot will be turned over and back hip 85% of the way rotated forward, then after the block, the hip will continue to internally rotate forward, and once it is full done rotating against the block leg, the donkey kick will be a natural reaction of all of your energy going forward and rotating then having no where else to go I do like the idea of having the block leg and arm reach out long so you get into a longer throwing stretch position that elite throwers have, but only if you are advanced enough to do so. thank you for the support!
But what about thomas röhler, when i watch his 90 m throw his back leg does go high, but not nearly as high as vetter and zelezny. I would say that my back leg height is pretty comparable with the one of röhler is that a bad thing? Awesome vid btw
Thank you! I would argue that his 90m throw could have been further if had a larger donkey kick as a result of better lower body timing and being behind the block, as I mentioned, Zelezny does not fall on any of his throws except for the 98m Zelezny was in his prime for 15+ years and hit an AMAZING block hit and follow through on this Rohler was unfortunately only in his prime for 4-5 years, maybe if he stayed healthy for longer he could have had a couple of monster throws above 95m as well It’s just timing and a bit of luck as well to hit a perfect one like this IMO
Since India and Pakistan are both countries where cricket is very popular, I’d be curious to see if cricket translates to their lack of back leg follow through like Zelezny and Vetter.
That is a great point! Havnt thought about it that way before
@JackedJavelin yea nadeem used to play cricket that's why they said it was easier for him to have a whip like arm
Makes sense! I think everyone should aim to have a whippy arm
Do you have a video to learn hip shoulder speration? Or drills to practice it?
I just filmed one! It will be coming out December 13th
Great thanks!
Great stuff as always....Would you agree that the high kick is a result of a (more) solid, jarring block and increased distance between the squatty right foot contact and said block? Both Z and Vetter seem to have a more distance between the right and left feet when the missile is released. The Indian and Pakistanian seem to roll through the block.
Thank you appreciate it!
Yes that long block stride does seem to contribute to it, because it allows the back hip to rotate through a bit more before the block hits, then that final reaction comes after the block and causes the high kick in the back
Notice how the block leg angle is much lower, block foot way out front, with the 90m+ throws. The block catapults them up. The resultant is the kick. Should we be focusing on getting the throwers block leg further in front? Thanks again for your excellent videos. You are really providing great info!!
@@whcurl thank you! and yes I like to think of keeping the block leg long out in front but low to the ground so your back foot and front foot hit as quickly together as possible
In order to achieve the donkey kick, would you also say you have to consciously try to extend the right knee, right after the squatty back foot contact so your right foot is in the right position for the pop up? Or should you rather reach further forward for the block leg so your back leg has enough room to stay back and pop up. Sorry long question. Very helpful video btw 🙌🏾
So I wouldn't say its a "Conscious" extension, its more of a "soft" back foot, so that your momentum will naturally carry the back hip and knee forward 85% of the way, by the point the block hits, the foot will be turned over and back hip 85% of the way rotated forward, then after the block, the hip will continue to internally rotate forward, and once it is full done rotating against the block leg, the donkey kick will be a natural reaction of all of your energy going forward and rotating then having no where else to go
I do like the idea of having the block leg and arm reach out long so you get into a longer throwing stretch position that elite throwers have, but only if you are advanced enough to do so.
thank you for the support!
@ got it! Thanks so much
But what about thomas röhler, when i watch his 90 m throw his back leg does go high, but not nearly as high as vetter and zelezny. I would say that my back leg height is pretty comparable with the one of röhler is that a bad thing? Awesome vid btw
Thank you! I would argue that his 90m throw could have been further if had a larger donkey kick as a result of better lower body timing and being behind the block, as I mentioned, Zelezny does not fall on any of his throws except for the 98m
Zelezny was in his prime for 15+ years and hit an AMAZING block hit and follow through on this
Rohler was unfortunately only in his prime for 4-5 years, maybe if he stayed healthy for longer he could have had a couple of monster throws above 95m as well
It’s just timing and a bit of luck as well to hit a perfect one like this IMO
@JackedJavelin thank you, I will keep that in mind