I’m by no means a pro but I’ve been using penhold since I can first remember, and for my backhand I never used the other side of the paddle lol. This helped.
I am blessed with the ability to play both shakehand and penhold, and I've found that slicing with the rpb is very difficult. When I play penhold, I slice with the traditional penhold backhand and I drive with the rpb using the rpb on the vast majority of backhands. My advice for penholders is to go with the rpb because it gives you so much more power than the same side of the paddle backhand
I am not a penholder, but at my club the common frustration expressed by penholders are that if they get good with RPB, they run the risk of relying on it too much in a match because it makes quick transition to forehand less natural and consistent, less of a problem if they are afforded more of a windup.
My brain seems to only process backhand when penholding... videos like these help me understand it more, you cannot improve what you cannot understand.
Please make more vids on penhold, there is a scarcity of content for this in youtube. I recently switched from shakehand to penhold, I found it very intuitive to use forehand, I am slowly getting used to rpb. Many times the racquet start slipping when I play with rpb. Does using a penhold blade solve this grip issue?
Absolutely I'll make more content for Penhold players. Talking about the grip, I tried different stuff, like powder, gymnasts chalk and gymanst spray, because I had the same problem like you described. My solution was using a thin athletics tape in 2 fingers and I fixed the problem. Hope the tape can help you 🙏
@@VictorMoraga hola Victor. Me gusta mucho tu estilo con el lapicero, estoy empezando a probarlo. Tengo el mismo problema de la transpiración en las manos. Por eso también quiero probar. Me dirías exactamente qué tipo de cinta usás? Es de tela? Marca? Muchas gracias
@@pablomunafo1343 Hola Pablo. Gracias por el apoyo. Uso cinta atlética de P-TEX "Athletic Tape" Poly Cotton Tape. Me ha funcionado excelente 🙌. Saludos.
Tengo que aprender el RPB. Yo tambien soy penhold (inverted y LP). Mi profe por 1 o 2 años creo que era numero 8 o 9 de Chile, se llama Carlos Araneda, tiene una hija que jugo por Chile. Solo vivi 7 años en Chile asi que mi ortografia en castellano es como las weas
Jejeje. También sigo trabajando en el RPB. Genial que ahora tenemos otra herramienta más. Antes usaba sólo la goma de adelante para todo. Requiere trabajo, pero la verdad que ayuda mucho. Saludos. Abrazo.
@@VictorMoraga Una pregunta, como le esta pegando este tipo tan fuerte solo usando tpb, y parece que levanta underspin tambien? ruclips.net/video/uuIPcWZmbQM/видео.html
Gracias Felipe 🇨🇱 😊. Haciendo lo mejor posible con los videos. Queda poco tiempo después del trabajo, pero listo para mejorar en cada nuevo video. Abrazo, Dios te bendiga.
@@VictorMoraga will you got my point i wanted to asked you with reverse pen hold grip is it possible to practice back hand counter like if some one with shake hand grip practice fore hand counter then back hand counter like that?
@@sumandas9487 Yes. You can do the same. That's why I changed from traditional PEN to RPB. I can Punch, Block and make Spin with the same backhand side. The wrist is not in the same position like Shakehand but you can do all of them. 🏓 🙌
Hey 👋. I really like both. But for efficiency Reverse takes advantage because your paddle is ready in position for blocking or attacking. For example, I tried to play with both sometimes blocking with "Traditional" and then Attack with "Reverse", I wasted precious time during that transition. For that reason, I love both but being honest I should make a complete transition to RPB. Take care 🙌 🏓
Family basement player here, trying to get my verse backhand penhold, but many times when I hit i either make contact with the wooden side sending the ball straight up, or I miss, but when I do hit it , many times it arches and spins down to bounce on my side, I rarely get it over the net . Any tips?
When I tried developing that RPB. I released some balls from my hand, leave it to bounce once and then use my RPB flat to the other side of the table. I mean your rubber in the backhand 90 degrees against the table. The idea is to perform the motion without spin just a flat ball while you're comfortable with the RPB motion. And then, you can add wrist and change the orientation for making spin. I hope it helps to you.
@@VictorMoraga when i am try to hit counter back hand with rpb with my partner it mostly spin the ball ,my partner said no it is not correct in counter practice ball should comes flat like in shake hand grip please guide me.
@@sumandas9487 in practice you can do whatever you want, if you want to impact flat ball just change the angle of your paddle, and go forward with your arm.
Well, I put pressure on my fingers. But to prevent them sliding forward I use "Athletic Tape" on my fingers like "Tennis" players use. I tried different things but tape works for me.
@@noah7477 well It depends how bad are the conditions in the venue. Sometimes I replace tape every other match when it's bad. I don't use any powder or anything else.
Would you be able to show more videos including slow motion ones of your rpb? Also It would help us penholders alot of You do a grip video of your index thumb and rear three fingers. Like do you curl your index A lot when doing the rpb or if you rest fingers is More straight or curled. Thanks a ton! There are just so few penholders left 😩
Hi Oliver 👋. Thank you for your comment. I have 2 crazy weeks with tournaments but I can make some room for recording videos like you said. Good feedback. 🏓👌
I been watching your rpb strokes again and again. It’s quite a little different from most players. You seem to use very little wrist motion which probably contribute to your consistency but yet you get alot of spin on the ball! Pretty amazing. Your elbows also seem to be in a pretty Consistent position and you mainly pivot your arms around it. Again consistency yet spinny. Do you find that your rear finger taping helps with your rpb strokes and consistency?
@@oliverpool good eye 😉. I found that the pivot in the elbow works for me. I saw some players using more wrist than forearm and arm. For me, the mix between wrist, forearm and arm is key. But that mix, is up to your needs. For shots, on the table or close to the table, mainly wrist and some support with forearm. For middle and long, I love to use more forearm and big arm like Tennis backhand 😄. I know maybe sounds crazy, but we can mix them in any way we want to be efficient. 👊 Finger taping helps me to avoid to swipe fingers, and helps to the consistency 😊👍
Buena pregunta 👌. Creo que después de tanto probar. ALCs, Carbonados, Dynasty, Inspira y Cybershape. Me quedo con el Cybershape. El CWT te ayuda a cambiar el balance si lo necesitas, porque la tomada Penhold es menos fuerte que Shakehand. Cada jugador tienes sus gustos y preferencias, pero para mi después de tanto probar me quedo con Cybershape Carbon CWT.
Ohhh great video! I have a question that havent been able to solve Is it realistic to create a style where I use both TBH and RPB? If so, what would be the strategy? I was thinking of blocking and flat hitting with TBH, and looping with RPB. Or is it not feasable? Should I just pick one?
@@VictorMoraga so, in multiball, when the drill involves switching between TBH and RPB, I loose control of the grip of the racket to the point where the racket slips out of my hand. Do you have any insights on this? It has been a mayor struggle ever since I started training, I havent been able to solve it
@@purpose6113 I understand what You're talking about. If you watch some videos, You will see that I'm using tape in 2 fingers. I tried everything before, like grip powder, magnesium powder, gymnastic stuff, and they worked for a couple of points and nothing else. I tried 2 different tapes, and I moved forward for the thinner one. Summary, every time I play or train I spend a couple of minutes adding tape on my fingers. Problem solved 😊👌
@@VictorMoraga ohhhh ok, that makes so much sense. I did take a look at a couple of videos. You use black tape on the middle and ring finger, right!? I would have never thought about that. Thank you so much, I can't wait to try it out
Nice RPB. What kind of black tapes u r using for ur midder and ring finger? I m sweating much and the backhand rubber is getting wet by fingers and sometimes i loose grip due to wet fingers...
Hey 🙌. I had the same issue. I tried magnesium and other powders but didn't work. And then, I tried Athletic Tape from sports store and it works for me 🙌
Cool video. Would it make sense for a young penholder to not learn tbp at all or at least very late? Tbp has certain advantages, mostly when someone aims at your body or elbow but I feel having both adds an element of doubt and an extra decision. Felix Lebrun for example plays only rpb, even for his backhand push
You're right. In the beginning I wanted to have both, but a few months ago I moved to RPB only. A lot of advantages using only RPB, transition from block to attack is too easy 🔥🏓
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I’m by no means a pro but I’ve been using penhold since I can first remember, and for my backhand I never used the other side of the paddle lol. This helped.
Thank you so much for the support
I am blessed with the ability to play both shakehand and penhold, and I've found that slicing with the rpb is very difficult. When I play penhold, I slice with the traditional penhold backhand and I drive with the rpb using the rpb on the vast majority of backhands. My advice for penholders is to go with the rpb because it gives you so much more power than the same side of the paddle backhand
Nice comment and advice 🙌 😎 👌
Thank you, Victor. I like BOTH of your backhands
@@Ricksonkimura thanks. TPB was easier to develop, but on the other hand RPB took a couple of years. Nowadays both feel natural. 🙌
I use both penhold and shakehand too. And I find RPB is more powerful. Topspin wise, I'd say forehand is still my favorite
I am not a penholder, but at my club the common frustration expressed by penholders are that if they get good with RPB, they run the risk of relying on it too much in a match because it makes quick transition to forehand less natural and consistent, less of a problem if they are afforded more of a windup.
Train these bad habits out.
Try improving footwork? Maybe that can provide some confidence in forehand switch
My brain seems to only process backhand when penholding... videos like these help me understand it more, you cannot improve what you cannot understand.
Thank you for your comment 🙏. Totally agree with you, we have to understand/process 1st and then spend time training it ☺️👌
Love your backhand , can you make a tutorial on both traditional and reverse backhand ?
Thank you. I will include it to the notes 📝 👌
Nah pen hold is far better technically
Very interesting content, and your level of play is inspiring. Thanks!
Thanks 🙌
Impressive 😮 nice control
Thank you. I keep training and improving 👊 🏓
Please make more vids on penhold, there is a scarcity of content for this in youtube.
I recently switched from shakehand to penhold, I found it very intuitive to use forehand, I am slowly getting used to rpb. Many times the racquet start slipping when I play with rpb.
Does using a penhold blade solve this grip issue?
Absolutely I'll make more content for Penhold players.
Talking about the grip, I tried different stuff, like powder, gymnasts chalk and gymanst spray, because I had the same problem like you described. My solution was using a thin athletics tape in 2 fingers and I fixed the problem. Hope the tape can help you 🙏
@@VictorMoraga hola Victor. Me gusta mucho tu estilo con el lapicero, estoy empezando a probarlo. Tengo el mismo problema de la transpiración en las manos. Por eso también quiero probar. Me dirías exactamente qué tipo de cinta usás? Es de tela? Marca? Muchas gracias
@@pablomunafo1343 Hola Pablo. Gracias por el apoyo. Uso cinta atlética de P-TEX "Athletic Tape" Poly Cotton Tape.
Me ha funcionado excelente 🙌. Saludos.
Tengo que aprender el RPB. Yo tambien soy penhold (inverted y LP). Mi profe por 1 o 2 años creo que era numero 8 o 9 de Chile, se llama Carlos Araneda, tiene una hija que jugo por Chile.
Solo vivi 7 años en Chile asi que mi ortografia en castellano es como las weas
Jejeje. También sigo trabajando en el RPB. Genial que ahora tenemos otra herramienta más. Antes usaba sólo la goma de adelante para todo. Requiere trabajo, pero la verdad que ayuda mucho. Saludos. Abrazo.
@@VictorMoraga Una pregunta, como le esta pegando este tipo tan fuerte solo usando tpb, y parece que levanta underspin tambien? ruclips.net/video/uuIPcWZmbQM/видео.html
Very good content .... Thank you
Thank you. Learning how to improve in each video.
Te felicito por el canal, compatriota. Que Dios te bendiga a ti también.
Gracias Felipe 🇨🇱 😊. Haciendo lo mejor posible con los videos. Queda poco tiempo después del trabajo, pero listo para mejorar en cada nuevo video. Abrazo, Dios te bendiga.
César Alvarez la leyenda!
El MASTER 🏓😊. Abrazo Daniela 🤗
Can you create a tutorial on how to use TBH (technique)? I havent found any
I can do that. I will put this on my list to make videos. Thank you 😊
@@VictorMoraga will it possible to counter backhand with rpb I mean ordinary counter not top spin?
@@sumandas9487 absolutely 👌 I 'm working to be consistent on that counter Topspin, right now 😊.
@@VictorMoraga will you got my point i wanted to asked you with reverse pen hold grip is it possible to practice back hand counter like if some one with shake hand grip practice fore hand counter then back hand counter like that?
@@sumandas9487 Yes. You can do the same. That's why I changed from traditional PEN to RPB. I can Punch, Block and make Spin with the same backhand side. The wrist is not in the same position like Shakehand but you can do all of them. 🏓 🙌
Great video. Can I ask what is the black stuff on your fingers?
@@dazstuff1875 thank you for the support. Sometimes I have problems with slippery fingers 🤌. That's why I use Athletic Tape to mitigate it.
¿Se cambia la empuñadura entre ambos tipos de golpeo? Gracias.
Hola Roberto.
Respuesta corta: No.
Así es más eficiente entre uno y otro golpe lo mismo para el servicio.
Saludos 👋
Overall do you think traditional or reverse backhand is better?
Hey 👋. I really like both. But for efficiency Reverse takes advantage because your paddle is ready in position for blocking or attacking. For example, I tried to play with both sometimes blocking with "Traditional" and then Attack with "Reverse", I wasted precious time during that transition. For that reason, I love both but being honest I should make a complete transition to RPB. Take care 🙌 🏓
Family basement player here, trying to get my verse backhand penhold, but many times when I hit i either make contact with the wooden side sending the ball straight up, or I miss, but when I do hit it , many times it arches and spins down to bounce on my side, I rarely get it over the net . Any tips?
When I tried developing that RPB. I released some balls from my hand, leave it to bounce once and then use my RPB flat to the other side of the table. I mean your rubber in the backhand 90 degrees against the table. The idea is to perform the motion without spin just a flat ball while you're comfortable with the RPB motion. And then, you can add wrist and change the orientation for making spin. I hope it helps to you.
@@VictorMoraga when i am try to hit counter back hand with rpb with my partner it mostly spin the ball ,my partner said no it is not correct in counter practice ball should comes flat like in shake hand grip please guide me.
@@sumandas9487 in practice you can do whatever you want, if you want to impact flat ball just change the angle of your paddle, and go forward with your arm.
Do you apply slight pressure with your backhand fingers as you pull your arm back for loops to prevent them from sliding forward?
Well, I put pressure on my fingers. But to prevent them sliding forward I use "Athletic Tape" on my fingers like "Tennis" players use. I tried different things but tape works for me.
@@VictorMoraga how do you deal with the tape once it gets soaked in sweat? Do you apply chalk to the tape?
@@noah7477 well It depends how bad are the conditions in the venue. Sometimes I replace tape every other match when it's bad. I don't use any powder or anything else.
@VictorMoraga I'm curious to hear how that would work for you. I'm considering chalking some athletic tape, but I don't have a penhold racket yet.
Would you be able to show more videos including slow motion ones of your rpb? Also
It would help us penholders alot of
You do a grip video of your index thumb and rear three fingers. Like do you curl your index A lot when doing the rpb or if you rest fingers is
More straight or curled. Thanks a ton! There are just so few penholders left 😩
Hi Oliver 👋. Thank you for your comment. I have 2 crazy weeks with tournaments but I can make some room for recording videos like you said. Good feedback. 🏓👌
I been watching your rpb strokes again and again. It’s quite a little different from most players. You seem to use very little wrist motion which probably contribute to your consistency but yet you get alot of spin on the ball! Pretty amazing. Your elbows also seem to be in a pretty
Consistent position and you mainly pivot your arms around it. Again consistency yet spinny. Do you find that your rear finger taping helps with your rpb strokes and consistency?
@@oliverpool good eye 😉.
I found that the pivot in the elbow works for me. I saw some players using more wrist than forearm and arm. For me, the mix between wrist, forearm and arm is key. But that mix, is up to your needs.
For shots, on the table or close to the table, mainly wrist and some support with forearm. For middle and long, I love to use more forearm and big arm like Tennis backhand 😄. I know maybe sounds crazy, but we can mix them in any way we want to be efficient. 👊
Finger taping helps me to avoid to swipe fingers, and helps to the consistency 😊👍
RPB TPB cool!
Thank you 👍
Que maderos recomiendas para penholds rpb
Buena pregunta 👌. Creo que después de tanto probar. ALCs, Carbonados, Dynasty, Inspira y Cybershape. Me quedo con el Cybershape. El CWT te ayuda a cambiar el balance si lo necesitas, porque la tomada Penhold es menos fuerte que Shakehand. Cada jugador tienes sus gustos y preferencias, pero para mi después de tanto probar me quedo con Cybershape Carbon CWT.
Ohhh great video!
I have a question that havent been able to solve
Is it realistic to create a style where I use both TBH and RPB?
If so, what would be the strategy? I was thinking of blocking and flat hitting with TBH, and looping with RPB.
Or is it not feasable? Should I just pick one?
I use both exactly like you explained. Flat hitting with TBH and Looping with RPB
@@VictorMoraga so, in multiball, when the drill involves switching between TBH and RPB, I loose control of the grip of the racket to the point where the racket slips out of my hand.
Do you have any insights on this? It has been a mayor struggle ever since I started training, I havent been able to solve it
@@purpose6113 I understand what You're talking about. If you watch some videos, You will see that I'm using tape in 2 fingers. I tried everything before, like grip powder, magnesium powder, gymnastic stuff, and they worked for a couple of points and nothing else. I tried 2 different tapes, and I moved forward for the thinner one. Summary, every time I play or train I spend a couple of minutes adding tape on my fingers. Problem solved 😊👌
@@VictorMoraga ohhhh ok, that makes so much sense.
I did take a look at a couple of videos. You use black tape on the middle and ring finger, right!? I would have never thought about that.
Thank you so much, I can't wait to try it out
@@VictorMoraga I hope you grow your channel, there are no good penholder channels in English (or Spanish), they are all in japanese/chinese
Nice RPB. What kind of black tapes u r using for ur midder and ring finger? I m sweating much and the backhand rubber is getting wet by fingers and sometimes i loose grip due to wet fingers...
Hey 🙌. I had the same issue. I tried magnesium and other powders but didn't work. And then, I tried Athletic Tape from sports store and it works for me 🙌
Thanks for the reply. Will try the athletic tape.
Qué gomas "rubber" usa?
Stiga DNA Dragon Grip al derecho.
Stiga DNA Hybrid H al revés
Which rubber do u use in ur back hand
I was testing DNA Platinum H and Donic Bluefire M1 Turbo.
Do you play at OCTTA frequently? That's my local club and I'm also a C-pen player. Would be great to practice with you.
Hey 👋, I played in OCTTA before.
I play in San Diego now 🏓
Cool video. Would it make sense for a young penholder to not learn tbp at all or at least very late? Tbp has certain advantages, mostly when someone aims at your body or elbow but I feel having both adds an element of doubt and an extra decision. Felix Lebrun for example plays only rpb, even for his backhand push
You're right. In the beginning I wanted to have both, but a few months ago I moved to RPB only. A lot of advantages using only RPB, transition from block to attack is too easy 🔥🏓
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I have to update this video 😊👌