Netgate 4100 Review
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2024
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⏱️ Timestamps ⏱️
00:00 Netgate 4100 pfsense
02:37 Price and Specs
08:22 Wireguard & OpenVPN Testing
17:11 Hardware & Ports 
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pfsense NTOPNG Video
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⏱ Timestamps ⏱
00:00 Netgate 4100 pfsense
02:37 Price and Specs
08:22 Wireguard & OpenVPN Testing
17:11 Hardware & Ports
599 USD plus shipping and taxes. Good to see netgate still being delusional.
Hi Lawrence, love your videos. Learned a lot about pfsense. Thanks
It's nice to know that the 2.5Gbps ports can be assigned as WAN in the event a household or business has a greater than 1Gbps internet connection.
This was my Christmas gift to me. Should arrive Christmas Eve.
Awesome, Merry Christmas!
Thats great you can reassign the interfaces. The local cable company is introducing a 1500/150 mbps tier so if you get a Modem like the latest Netgear Nighthawk CM2050 or Arris S33, they have a 2.5gig port that would come in handy into this. I see others like Windstream Kinetic starting to offer 2gbps packages and mainly telcos like AT&T and Verizon, if your lucky to have FTTH start doing mult-gig as well.
Thanks for the review. Hope in time you could try a custom box, personally going to build around a N6005 with 4x2.5g intel fanless
They need to stop this labeling of the ports specifically like LAN, WAN etc. and go back to the names like they were on 5100. This way if I want to use 2.5GB for WAN then it doesn't affect my OCD as much! I just got two 4100 in at work but haven't tried them yet but I like the idea of using Intel vs. ARM instead like in the old 3100, because IPsec seems to work better and faster with Intel. I am going to deploy a 6100 tomorrow and have been testing for a while in shop. I run a 5100 at home and see no reason to personally upgrade to either of these yet... unless there is an ISP upgrade available from my current 1Gbps fibre to 1.5 or 2.5Gbps.
Prices are never coming down again, we live in a world where companies expect revenue and growth to go up to the right on the graph and for the last three years but has not been true. So what happens, any excuse is used to artificially restrict supply, not enough sand to make silicone etc etc and company growth and revenue go up and to the right again with a higher ARPU.
Once they go up they never go down.
I wish there was a replacement product right between 4100 and 6100 with 10GB SFP+ LAN and WAN ports
They probably will once the supply chain issues have calmed down a bit.
It would be nice if Netgate offered one or two POE ports to power APs. Cisco Meraki got this right in their devices designed for small businesses.
@@user-zm7qz5fq2d Meraki appliances like the MX68CW have PoE ports. Their products are not for everyone, but they absolutely understand their market niche (small-medium business without an IT dept.), and are certainly not "trash." Your comments are wrong, and completely off-base.
Looking forward to more tutorials! Thx
Thanks!
Tom, thank you very much for your very informative videos - they're fantastic. Would you mind and would you please respond to a quick question? My wife works for home a couple days a week and has complained about wireless internet during her video calls. I upgraded our wan connection from 500 meg to 1 gig fiber connection, then I realized my existing 10 thousand year old linsys router had been our bottle neck. I'd like to keep the 1 gig fiber connection (because it costs less than we're paying for 500 meg). My question is: We have an existing Linksys LAPAC1750 AP (that should serve her well), but does it make sense to for us to pickup the Netgate 4100? We want to take full advantage of the 1 gig pipe and want room for future growth. We have an existing L3 switch with 1 gig ports. Looking forward to your expertise. Thank you so much
Yes, I think they are good devices.
I am new to the Pfsense router/firewall and would like to know how many users would a 4100 and 6100 support for business?
Tom, I found your channel and I'm learning a lot (but, as you'll see, still a Rookie). Do you or anyone here recommend a used 5100 over the 4100 for a high usage house (multiple people working / streaming meetings from home at the same time, college students taking classes online, plus video and high end gaming streaming)? My thought is the extra "business" throughput (?) capabilities would help. The way I view it, these 2 models are the same price point as a high end ASUS Gaming Router (and not sure I personally trust those). BTW, all rooms are hardwired with 5e, so we plug in the equip everywhere possible, aside from the iPads and iPhones. Looking forward to Fiber upgrade in a few months.
You haven’t said what your WAN connection details are. Unless they exceed 1Gbps either the 5100 or 4100 would be overkill and a 2100 would suit your needs - assuming you’re not trying to run complex analysis of all the traffic (and for a home setup, why would you?).
@n1tyh Without knowing the finite details of your use case, I have noticed most home "power" users are usually impacted by their connection type rather than ISP subscription bandwidth. The routing throughput of either model in question will far exceed your need given your examples. Having said that, you can easily consume resources on either model by utilizing demanding packages or having very restrictive (granular) configurations on your pfSense/Netgate device. Specifically firewall and network monitoring packages. Most home users blame slow "internet" speeds on their ISP subscription when in fact most homes/users don't use any where close to what they are paying for (especially 1G subscribers). I would imagine (as in most home use cases) the issue with latency/lag is probably due to users/devices using Wi-Fi (WLAN) more so than a cabled (LAN) connection. Without going into a TL;DR discussion about Wi-Fi tech just know that the more users you have connected to a Wi-Fi access point the "slower" the connection will seem (especially dense streaming data [i.e. video calls and gaming]). If you have devices that are Wi-Fi 6 compatible it may be worth upgrading your access point, also an access point using 6GHz may help with "speed" a little. If something can be on LAN it should be on LAN, anything else and you're at the mercy of your WLAN AP capabilities. I hope that helps.
Nice review as usual Tom
Thanks
Should look at CPU load comparison when using AES vs. ChaCha during heavy VPN traffic.
How have you found sizing when putting these on a 1U shelf? The height quoted on the website is 47.63mm plus 2/3mm for shelf thickness looks a bit too tight.
If the shelf added thickness, you would be correct.
But it doesn’t.
cool video as always ! How Would the netgate 4100 & 6100 compare to say a Dell R210 II with a Quad core xeon with 8gb of ecc ram now that the Dell R210 II is so old & the nnet gate them being new? speed/performance wise i mean! thanks ! ! i have ben running PfSense for 4-5+ years now thanks to your videos !
Don't know but you can get a rough idea by doing CPU comparisons www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php
also these devices are way, way more power efficient. To the point where in prolonged use it might pay off for the difference.
Then again a Dell R210 II is going to be near idle for most of its time. The issue will be the fans on the dell will constantly draw power vs this which is passively cooled.
@@coveringgrape5251 thats my situation in northern maine where we had a doubling of our power costs in jan. still looking for the money savings from deregulation
@@coveringgrape5251 well yea maybe so but is 1-2 bucks a month more on a power bill really going to make or break some one even after a year or 2 its still really only very minimal imo & it really depends i suppose if you want to spend 600-800$ to save a buck or to on power vs 200$ for more power more ram more/Faster everything pretty much isnt it ! ! at least for a home user for sure spending 4 times more for 20% less performance to me that is trading dollars for cents ! But i dont know that is why i was asking is to try n figure it out !
Nice products for the business market.. Wouldn't call it suitable for home use at that price... Maybe wait a couple of years and MSRP of 299-399 or something would be more appropriate for what you get (given that pfsense is basically free anyway). Pretty hefty price for a piece of hardware like that.
i just got my 4100 installed yesterday. still learning but happy to have my asus wifi/router behind a better firewall
Hi, awesome video... I have 2 questions, I have 1gb speed from Verizon via fiber ethernet connection, I am planning to replace my Asus Ax11000 for this 4100 or for the protectli one, I am using a multimedia nas the Qnap Tvs-H674-i5-32g, no problems with connection using Vpn ipsec in both ( my nas and my router and firewall in both) no problems with the speed, I can achieve bet 750 to 850 that is very good I think using vpn and firewall, the reason why I want one of this guys is because I want more protection( I was hacked few years ago with a synology 1019+ ) thanks GOD my notifications let me know about the intrusion and I removed right away. Now my Idea is connect this 4100 guy using all their capabilities and remove the vpn from the router and the Nas ( it is ok???) And do you think I can achieve the same speeds with this 4100 or do you recommend the higher version? Thanks and sorry for the extension of this comment.
So Netgate 2100 or 4100 for home network with up to 1 gb connection?
Go 4100 if your budget allows it
Is there a fan or something that blows the heat out from the heatsink? What's preventing the heat from rising back into the chasis?
Convection
Thanks Lawrence for those videos. is there a compatible logging and reporting module that can integrate with Pfsense? I'm looking for unified platform that can generate various reports from traffic logs, interface bandwidth utilization, Internet usage, Security logs (web browsing, IPS/IDS, etc)?
We use Graylog ruclips.net/video/rtfj6W5X0YA/видео.html
16 GB eMMC can updata 128 gb on Netgate 4100????
Do you have any reviews on firewalla gold?
It's a consumer product that I don't plan on reviewing
Thanks you for reviewing Tom, I’m think of getting one to retire my old Dell desktop running pfSense 😅
Would love to see a comparison of this against an AliExpress special like the topton boxes. They are offering 6 2.5gig intel ports and a j4125 quad core running it with more ram and storage for a fraction of this price. 4 port options for even less. Would click to see Toms thoughts on those in a heartbeat!
They are hit and miss when it comes to getting a consistent supply of the same make / model and the reliability over years has been good, but not great.
I've been loving my "Chinese Protectli" with a J4125. Saved a lot of cash, more RAM, storage, etc. Will it last? Hahahaha. Exactly correct Tom. My home Lab... Totally. SMB... Probably not a great idea
@@LAWRENCESYSTEMS Wow, was not expecting a direct reply. It is good to know your position. Since you have some experience already with them it would be great to see more in a vid if you get the incling since they seem to be one of the few 2.5 gig options without going DIY or full rack mount. Ace content anyway :)
@@adamgibbons6251 Most of my reviews are mostly based on large deployments and because I am not planning on deploying those in mass, not likely.
@@LAWRENCESYSTEMS that's fair, (and appreciated given the insight it brings) thanks for your thoughts anyway!
you mention not to bridge the 2.5g ports? Why is that is there a safety issue? ie pros/cons.
Because It's not a switch
@@LAWRENCESYSTEMS I understand that but I see there are these 10 ethernet devices for wireless from China what would you do with lets like ~8 extra ports if you dont want to run any VM on it? just let it be?
I'm wondering how 4100 or 6100 would work with PPPoE(1Gbps/110Mbps) connection due to BSD 'single thread' bug. 3100 is struggling when IPS and HDtraffic are on
I’m using the 4100, getting 1G bidi over PPPoE.
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Very nice hardware, but impossible to buy in Europe…
I cant believe the 3100 is EOL already...
Me either, but Marvell didn’t want to build the parts without charging nearly $100/system more.
Hmm, I think the 6100 is still the one to aim for business. VPN speed isn't spectacular (only 800 Mbps for Wireguard??) as they are the same as the 3100. Good product though and great video Tom.
i guess the speed were slow not due to router but due to client and link speed of 1 Gbps used
no this is trash. look at the mikrotik CCR similar price point you get much better
@@jschenard you can put pfSense on damn near anything, even virtualized. Can you say the same for the mikrotik? May do the job but can you set up freeradius on it? Personally I think I’ll circular file your trash comment.
@@dennisaston3551 you can virtualize Mikrotik’s RouterOS as well
Edit : Radius as well.
Wireguard
BGP, etc.
meh - the task of acceleration of AES-NI is not to increate the speed of connection, but decrease the CPU load
iperf3 -P will still only use one core, so it's possible that you were capping out a single core there and not getting what the device over multiple cores could do. You need to run multiple copies and sum the results. This is not true with iperf2, but 3 lets you create a more specific test. Setting window size is also very important on iperf3.
I want to know what memory it takes, and if it's soldered or slotted. Also want to know what storage it takes - soldered or slotted. Is any of it user upgradable? Really disappointed in this review - wasted 20 minutes of my time for nothing
Heat sinks are not cool - they do cool things.
Unless you know that you need this product for up to 4 completely isolated networks, I would get something else. Most home users with the Netgate 4100 would be limited to 1 port connected to a switch.
Won’t sell much at that price, that’s for sure. I get supply chain issues but if companies want to support sales in this economy, they should give raises in line with inflation rate. Else, who is pocketing all this money from these “supply chain” price hikes???
the greedy corporate crooks..same as always ! well with lots of pandemic profiteering an almost all of them is doing it and lying about it ! but its not what ya know its what ya can prove & the golden Rule..one with the gold makes the rules !
Dell R210 ii 4c8t + 32Gb ram @ $100. 2 120Gb SSD's Raid 1 @ $45. pfSense, free. So $150 versus $600+.
With screaming fans, 100W idle, and two years before the dust shorts DRAM pins.
@@willis936 not when you do the conversion. Whisper quiet, and working flawlessly.
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Only if it was $450
You should open anything with that pricetag, otherwise people can just read the brochure.
Their video already showed the inside so doing so seemed redundant, most people find more value in me doing the VPN testing which was not in their "Brochure"
Netgate an pfsense has competely failed us many upgrades just leave you in a failed state. The last upgrade bicketd our firewall and we had to reimage and reinstall our configurations from scrtach. This isn't even prosumer. Don't USE.
600 USD? Good luck with that.
Agreed, terrible value and one could argue misleading advertising.
I bought one out of desperation.
@@chivimbe how are you finding it? I went with 4 core intel box for aliexpress with 4 x intel 1gbe (Intel(R) Celeron(R) J4125 CPU ) that cost me 200$. Works a charm, havent tried benchmarking vpn speeds but it can max my 100/40 internet. for 600$ it better be darn good
@@coveringgrape5251 is that essentially a Protectli box? The negate just arrived and I haven’t set it up yet, will get back to you once it’s up and running.
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I paid basically double the price listed in this video for my 2100 because of the USD->CAD conversion plus Trump's idiotic tariffs. Only a month before the tariffs were ended too, damn it! Argh!
Have you ever thought about the fact that filming, encoding, and publishing videos at 60fps, when is absolutely unnecessary, is bad for the environment??
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