This is the best comparison on these 2 products available today. I've been doing nonstop research deciding between a UDM Pro and Netgate 2100 for home use. Everyone seems to agree that pfsense is superior and has features that UDM does not, but never a great detail of those features. THANK YOU for being thorough. After seeing this, I've actually decided to get a UDM Pro because I already run UNIFI APs, switches and a self hosted controller. Now I know what features of pfsense that I won't be missing.
Great comparison, thanks. I even found out about features I didn't know before, like Antivirus proxy (just got a small Negate for my home). One nitpick/note: On the point about traffic shaping you missed to mention that Unifi has limited support. It was a little confusing during the first watch, because you transitioned from Negate to Unifi without saying so. :)
Great video Willie. You know i'm a huge fan of the UDM Pros they work great for the businesses that I have deployed them. I also really like the Netgate appliances. Like you said right tool for the job
Great job on the comparison vid. As you know, I don’t do many UDMPRO deployments, but the few that I’ve done have been successful. You hit it right on the nose, selecting the appropriate tech to get the job done.
Did you state what OS version and Network App version you are using for the comparison? I believe that Ad blocking is now available, and high availability is in Early Release.
Right tool for the right job, that's for sure. Both are good options based on that recommendation. The kicker is, I had ERPro8, used CK2+ for a while, managed to finally snap up a UDM Pro (non-SE) recently. ERPro8 now decommissioned although vastly, vastly more configurable. The 2100 is different league. Most likely, I will eventually end up with a Netgate device in front, when I get things stabilized with the new business startup. Thanks for the compare!
The big seller for me to jump to PFsense was the ability to always be current and up to date with PFBlocker and Suricata. Felt UI was always behind and I had to just take what they offered. though I miss the ecosystem and all my smart switches plugs and power strips.
Surprised you gave the UDMP and the 2100 checkboxes for supporting zerotier. They do? Interested in seeing a zerotier network demo between a UDMP, Netgate and OPNsense. It should be possible, right? Currently running a OPNSense box behind Starlink with zerotier after seeing your live stream zerotier demo and it works very well. Thanks for everything you do.
Willie I know I should probably know this, but is IDS IPS needed if no ports are open to the outside world? Do these protocols "watch" web and other established connections?
@@WillieHowe recently its showing load balancing. How does it work then when multiple clients are demanding bandwidth will it split between two wan as if both wan are active. When combined it gives double bandwidth for single client
I am looking at changing my two hotel sites to Netgate 7100's the guest portal is the worst issue with the UDMP sometimes it works fine, a lot of times it doesn't
I use captive portal for my home unifi Network never had a problem with it until recently. Logged into the network controller and it mentioned there was an update for the captive portal with a button to update it once I updated it everything worked fine again
poe+ would be a welcome addition to either of them. I have a lot of small side work clients that need wifi and some basic stuff and i could roll out either one with an ap and only have to worry about one device
@@WillieHowe good idea. my egde router's dhcp messes up way to often and I lose everything until I unplug the router from power and plug it back in. Very annoying.
@@WillieHowe had one and returned it. Dead silent till you add a hard drive, then fans run at 50% continuously. Loud, unbearable. Don’t handle bufferbloat. Even with 500/500 fiber. Unplayable ping spikes in online games when other user is downloading. And yes qos smart Q. was setup. Which my untangle box handles perfectly. And the protect integration. Many started with a CK gen2. (As I). Just wanted a router to finalize my unifi setup. Have to pay for protect again. With it’s noise problems. Really stupid. Stay away from it.
@@m8940sv If you have the router in a rack cabinet, not located near a living area, it is fine. Do you really expect all networking products to be quiet and fanless?
This is the best comparison on these 2 products available today. I've been doing nonstop research deciding between a UDM Pro and Netgate 2100 for home use. Everyone seems to agree that pfsense is superior and has features that UDM does not, but never a great detail of those features. THANK YOU for being thorough. After seeing this, I've actually decided to get a UDM Pro because I already run UNIFI APs, switches and a self hosted controller. Now I know what features of pfsense that I won't be missing.
Great comparison, thanks. I even found out about features I didn't know before, like Antivirus proxy (just got a small Negate for my home). One nitpick/note: On the point about traffic shaping you missed to mention that Unifi has limited support. It was a little confusing during the first watch, because you transitioned from Negate to Unifi without saying so. :)
pfSense does have one touch VPN setup
I’m sure I heard, “with the netgear 2100” ;)
Great video Willie. You know i'm a huge fan of the UDM Pros they work great for the businesses that I have deployed them. I also really like the Netgate appliances. Like you said right tool for the job
Great job on the comparison vid. As you know, I don’t do many UDMPRO deployments, but the few that I’ve done have been successful. You hit it right on the nose, selecting the appropriate tech to get the job done.
This seems pretty lopsided out of the gate. Maybe a Firewalla vs UDMP comparison?
Did you state what OS version and Network App version you are using for the comparison? I believe that Ad blocking is now available, and high availability is in Early Release.
Right tool for the right job, that's for sure. Both are good options based on that recommendation. The kicker is, I had ERPro8, used CK2+ for a while, managed to finally snap up a UDM Pro (non-SE) recently. ERPro8 now decommissioned although vastly, vastly more configurable. The 2100 is different league. Most likely, I will eventually end up with a Netgate device in front, when I get things stabilized with the new business startup.
Thanks for the compare!
Probably should have been complete and mentioned that the revamped UDM Pro SE does supply POE.
The big seller for me to jump to PFsense was the ability to always be current and up to date with PFBlocker and Suricata. Felt UI was always behind and I had to just take what they offered. though I miss the ecosystem and all my smart switches plugs and power strips.
Surprised you gave the UDMP and the 2100 checkboxes for supporting zerotier. They do? Interested in seeing a zerotier network demo between a UDMP, Netgate and OPNsense. It should be possible, right? Currently running a OPNSense box behind Starlink with zerotier after seeing your live stream zerotier demo and it works very well. Thanks for everything you do.
Untangle seems to be the happy medium for features/software.
can I use UDM pro & netgate pfsense togather ?
No IKEv2 Support on the UDM's or USG's is a non-starter for me. Looking at the netgate appliances now.
Willie I know I should probably know this, but is IDS IPS needed if no ports are open to the outside world? Do these protocols "watch" web and other established connections?
Good video Sir, do you know if the netgate eliminates double nat without using pppoe or DMZ?
From when did they added support for wan load balancing. Failover is available but not yet combine two wan
@@WillieHowe recently its showing load balancing. How does it work then when multiple clients are demanding bandwidth will it split between two wan as if both wan are active. When combined it gives double bandwidth for single client
Its been available for awhile. It was released earlier on the UDM SE than the Pro, but now both have it.
Good video Willie !
I am looking at changing my two hotel sites to Netgate 7100's the guest portal is the worst issue with the UDMP sometimes it works fine, a lot of times it doesn't
@@WillieHowe Touche, still need to get you back into the system to see whats going on with it. will send you email
I use captive portal for my home unifi Network never had a problem with it until recently. Logged into the network controller and it mentioned there was an update for the captive portal with a button to update it once I updated it everything worked fine again
Ive got multiple hotel sites and never use the guest portal. Dream machines are doing the job fine.
poe+ would be a welcome addition to either of them. I have a lot of small side work clients that need wifi and some basic stuff and i could roll out either one with an ap and only have to worry about one device
UDM Pro SE has PoE+
great review. Love the side by side.
👍 nice comparison, tk U
I’m in the market now. My edge router x and lite have been acting up. I’m leaning towards the 1100 or 2100 Netgate.
Build your own.
@@WillieHowe good idea. my egde router's dhcp messes up way to often and I lose everything until I unplug the router from power and plug it back in. Very annoying.
@@WillieHowe you talking about fanless mini routers? any link for a good one?
The Udm pro is a subpar product for home setup. Blaming RUclipsrs for hyping this crap product.
@@WillieHowe had one and returned it. Dead silent till you add a hard drive, then fans run at 50% continuously. Loud, unbearable. Don’t handle bufferbloat. Even with 500/500 fiber. Unplayable ping spikes in online games when other user is downloading. And yes qos smart Q. was setup. Which my untangle box handles perfectly. And the protect integration. Many started with a CK gen2. (As I). Just wanted a router to finalize my unifi setup. Have to pay for protect again. With it’s noise problems. Really stupid. Stay away from it.
@@m8940sv If you have the router in a rack cabinet, not located near a living area, it is fine. Do you really expect all networking products to be quiet and fanless?