Shot String Story in ULTRA Slomo | Shotgunning Series pt 5
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
- On this video we explain the shot string, and show it to you in ULTRA Slomo. See it with the world for the first time ever! Special thanks to Steve from @TargetFocusedLife for joining us for part 5 of our shotgun series. Get Surviving Duck Season MERCH!! survivingduckse...
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What are YOUR QUESTIONS about the shot string? Thanks for watching!
With all things equal how much does bore size affect the string ? For example do I get better/worse results out of my 10g 3.5" over my 12g 3.5" or a 12g 2 3/4" vs a 20g 2 3/4" of the same/similar load.
Less of a question and more of an assertion but my guess is that shot string doesn't matter that much due to the overwhelming speed of the shot. Cannot wait to see your data on it!
@@danieldempsey4149 the long standing recognized theory says that the shot string of a 2 3/4 12ga is shorter than 3 inch and 3 1/2 in 12ga is the longest of the three. In theory your 10ga should've a shorter shot string than the 12ga 3 1/2... We will be looking at some of this to prove or disprove the theory. Thanks!
You could already calculate this with your data, but I would be interested to hear how much of that shot string would pass/hit a duck flying by. Similar to your ballistic gel test but with the new data. “If a duck is flying 40mph and the first pellet hits the tip of his beak, how many feet of the shot string will impact before the tip of his tail passes?
Cameron asks the question as it relates to this video that I asked you last year about leading. A good formula with calculated FPS you should be able to answer. Joel you are the man, this is awesome.
Just some quick calculations. A 6’ shotstring at 600fps requires 0.01 sec to pass the plane of your target (600fps is a typical velocity at 40yds for birdshot). A bird flying at 35mph will travel 6 inches in the time it takes for the shotstring to pass. The same bird will travel about 12 inches in the time it takes a 12 foot shotstring to pass. The longer string MIGHT give you a bit of additional margin for error, but it’s going to be slight and it also will be hitting with the less dense pattern at the trailing end of the string. All things being equal, a shorter string will likely result in fewer cripples.
This is the comment I was looking for
That’s the real question/answer we needed.
Is the 600fps the speed at which the pellets are traveling at 40 yards? Just wondering. I wouldnt have thought the speed declines that fast. Interesting!
Edit: i realize you did say that in your comment! Thanks for that info! Shorter shot string is def the way to go it seems!
thats what my math came out to as a well. ironically for every foot of string on the video would relatively be an inch of bird travel at 40yrds. it seems anything quail or smaller would get a very very small 5-6 inch luck window if you perfectly led the shot far enough. for every shot to fly around the bird. at the tail end of the 12 ft string. at 40 yards.
A nasty bit of product placement thar boy !
John Olin and other ballisticians of the past would be in awe of this video. I've always understood the following things in relation to shot string.....1st, the tighter the choke, the longer the shot string. 2nd: The harder the shot, the shorter the shot string because softer pellets will deform and thus will fly slower due to increased air resistance, thus, increasing shot string length. 3rd: Given weight of shot charge, the smaller the gauge, the longer the shot string. A 20 gauge 3" shell for instance is starting with a much longer shot string (1 1/4 oz. of lead shot) than a 12 gauge "high-brass" shell also starting with the same shot charge but in an initially shorter height "pile" of shot. My Dad used to use a 3" loaded 20 (back in the good old days of lead) for ducks and he always maintained he'd hit more ducks at the same distance (40 yards) with the 20 than with the 12 (Using the same weight shot charge), BUT....they also tended to not be "hit as well" with the 20 because of it's longer shot string. Thanks again for such a wonderful and overdue video.
This guy is the most likeable, friendly duck hunter on the planet :) Intelligent, analytical and articulate too. Good on you, brother!
Shooters ability has more impact than anything else.
Dude you’re awesome. Like I mean that, I really appreciate the work AND money you put into this content. You have my “boy admiring a man doing his dream job” type of respect.
I appreciate that! It's been a ton of work, but it's been a ball!
28 gauge.... They have always been known to hit harder than their gauge says... The mystery has always been in the shot string to a lot of people,, I would love to see that.... Great job!
I have been shooting guns for about 60 years now and got my first shotgun about 54 years ago. Yes it beat me up, and yes I loved it. Ever since then I have wanted to see what you showed me right here. Thank you so very much for the effort and time it took to make a great video and put to rest the nagging cloud of questions that I only had "a priori" answers to until this morning. So, now what am I supposed to think about . . . . Thanks again!
50 years of hunting and shooting… this has answered so many questions I’ve had and been asked over the years… what a fantastic video!
I am dying to see a pattern master code black duck stack up against other full chokes to see how much shorter (if it is) the shot string is. Keep up the awesome footage and information. This is stuff so many of us have wondered about but never have been able to test
I have the same questions but with smoke kiks vs factorys choke
This!!!!
“Its hard to find multiple days of consecutive full sunshine” laughs in sunburnt Coloradan ;)
Velocity, constriction, wad design, crimp style, hill design n thickness, burn rate of powder. I believe every one will effect the shot string. Very interesting stuff
So happy to have crossed your channel…oh yeah
This is a wonderful film clip. Love to see what a 12 gauge trap load does in 7 1/2's and 8's. I like a long shot string on high birds because if you are a tad too far in front of them the back end of the shot string still gets them. That is when you can actually see a time lag between the report of the shotgun going off and the bird actually getting the impact of the shot string. In the video bob aronsohn shoots his 100,000th crow filmed in 2001 you can see live birds getting shot at all different ranges. The last hunt where I shot my 100,000th crow in 28 seasons you can see a 551 bird shoot on crows. If you would like to view this film clip it's on you tube under bob aronsohn shoots his 100,000th crow. The work you have done with this $ 300,000 camera is a real eye opener. Much better than seeing it on a patterning board. It is deceiving looking at pellet holes on paper because not all the shot gets there at once. Your film clip really shows this, a huge bravo to you and your partner doing the filming.
Joel, this brilliant, groundbreaking stuff! You did not disappoint! Can't wait for the next one! I just finished editing a video on the art of shotgunning whose sole conclusion and purpose is to point people to this series. Scheduled to post in 2 weeks! Great job!
That's great George, thank you!
Love it. Period.
Talk about taking your content to a new level - this is amazing! Your hard work did not go unnoticed and I speak for many waterfowlers when I say we don’t take it for granted. Incredible stuff Joel!
Boss totally used this video to engineer the new buffered ammo warchief. Excellent video my friend
Wow. That was a lot of money and effort spent.
Most of us find a gun that we like, and then try a bunch of shotshells to see which one patterns best at whatever distance we think we're going to shoot at. Usually costs under two grand. But, I guess we all have our Pursuits.
@Surviving Duck Season, Joel this is getting so intense. And seeing fiocci with such a short shot string. And thinking about it a short shot string means more hitting power on a moving target. I will not miss another video. I am glad to see this historic footage you two are making.
Thanks Rick! More hitting power with a short shot string is certainly one theory... we will know very soon which one is a FACT and which "theories" can be called a myth!
Thank you for your many hours and $ put into this research. My experience has been that deep, thoughtful research usually exposes more questions than it answers initially. Years ago I participated in 2 duck seasons of steel shot vs lead shot study, where the hunter didn't know which he was shooting. A Federal game biologist/technician monitored approximate distances, clear misses, clean kills, and cripples, along with wind and weather. Steel sheels were crude, using shell componets (wad cups) made for lead. Choke tubes were still in the future. Most smooth bores were Modified or Full choke.
It became obvious that steel produced more cripples, (and the need for a dog) but it was here to stay. Over the years the ammo makers improved steel shells. For a multitude of reasons, ammo (at least where I am) has been in short supply the last 2-3 years. so I shoot whatever I can find. A box of 3inch, 1-1/4 ounce can be $17 or $35. My own research has convinced me that practice and gun discipline improves my success rate. When the pattern and the duck collides, my limits improve. Your research will surely help choke and ammo manufacturers improve their products and their bottom lines, but I can bet you that their marketing campaigns are already in overdrive.
Great video!
As a shooter who uses both 12 and 20 gauge, the only difference between them is the length of the shot string. Aside from super heavy magnum duck loads, which are not used in a 20, if you take two normal load size shells from the same manufacturer, i.e 1 oz, 1 1/4 oz etc, same pellet size, same muzzle velocity, the only difference is the length of the shot string, nothing else. Because the 20 is a smaller tube and has a slimmer cartridge, the shot string created is longer than the 12. Most people find the 12 easier to kill with due to the shorter shot string. However, some experts use the longer shot string of the 20 bore to their advantage. It is a matter of personal choice. 10 years of pattern testing has clearly proved to me that at extreme range, 60 yards plus, the 20 delivers a more dense pattern and retains more percentage of the original load, choke for choke over the 12 but that is a different matter. It amuses me how otherwise intelligent people have an almost superstitious belief that the same load in a 12 is somehow magically more powerful than the exact same load/muzzle velocity in a 20. Read the cartridge box dummy.
I definitely want to see the shotstring of non constriction choke tubes like Patternmaster.
Try Hornady 3" BB , copper plated lead coyote load. Also some 00 buck.
Joel you are a duck hunting hero for this video! Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!
💪🏻🦸🏼♂️👊🏻 lol you’re welcome!!
Hardwrenching to C U so exited about something I can't C on my cell- foam. U sown smart. I did lurn something knew. Dawn mess with Taxes! TY n e way!
I’m really interested in seeing a blind side load seeing if the hex shot makes a difference
Old school Cutts compensator used to be thought to shorten shot string. Based on watching a few hundred thousand skeet targets I would agree. Tests?
I'm in awe
When you brought this out, the Lord touched me deeply at this age old question... wow, my mind is blown.
But that being said, I need to know what shell is top knock down power, at different chokes at kill yardage...wow, just wow...
Try a Kicks choke tube, designed to strip the wad and shorten the string. I've put them on paper and they are denser than a regular choke tube.
100% the best RUclips Channel! Thanks Joel for going above and beyond for Waterfowlers!
Remember you hinting about this in a past video. Been excited to see it!
Right on!
Excellent Excellent work. I had no idea the shot stream was that long. TY
This video will take your channel to the next level.
Thanks 👊🏻👍🏻👊🏻
The video I’ve been waiting for the most in this series
Right on!
Great information thanks for the video. Never knew that shot strings were that long/short, amazing... Great Info... Would love to see the length of shot strings with target loads for like trap loads. I shoot a lot of trap it would be so helpful to know the shot string on them loads and different chokes...
Well done that man!! However, I would love to see some fibre wad shots. I am in the UK and many grounds here allow only fibre wads and I have heard that they throw a better pattern. Someone else made a remark about 28 bore and that would be very interesting as would a 410 shot. You have a job for life here Joel. Best regards from the UK
Well done guys
The camera work is fantastic and creates new observations for shot size and choking effects on the string,but it also re enforces standard ballistic observations from years ago.,Lead shot having a longer string than steel isnt anything new. However ,overloading by manufacturers or "super magnum" loads,together with a tight choke will further exasperate the problem of stringing which the camera will highlight too!.Then there could be a comparison of bore diameters with similar payloads.
I was always told not to overchoke your gun with big shot and heavy payloads back in the day.
Great work-get some sponsorship from the manufactures!!
Love this video. This is a dream come true.
I had a different perception about shots before seeing this video. Amazing content.
The episode we have all been waiting for! Moohahaha!!
Indeed!!
I would like to see the velocities of all these loads displayed as well. Many folks feel that the faster you run your payload the more it opens up your pattern with more bigger holes for birds to fly through. Also known as blowing out your pattern
SDS, thank you for some really great videos. Because of your videos, I DID GO OUT AND PATTERN MY BENELI NOVA. Tried six different loads at 40 yards, shooting large cardboard squares. So now I know, and I'm happy with the results. Also, every time I would pull off the feathers of a duck I shot in preparation for skinning and de-breasting, I would wonder why they only seemed to have a few shot in them. And now I know. As soon as they are hit, by the first shot in the string, they fall. And all the rest of the shot continues on past the spot they were at.
2021 was my first duck season. I'm late to the game I know. Your videos have really helped me understand some things. Great serious your posting now. Thank you.
In the future, I would like to see your take on duck vision and the best ways for concealment in the marsh and overhead cover. I would also like to see your take on the best and worst waterfowl gear, be it calls, decoys, motion devices... etc.
One Shot... One Kill!
Fascinating. I am relating it to the clay target sports. Explains a few things related to that. Gives me a headache thinking about all the scenarios. Like Jim Scoutten use to say, "shoot more, shoot more often". That will improve those misses. Thank you for the video. Awesome.
Outstanding
So cool
Incredible video. Keep making them. I watched it a couple of times and noticed the pellets dropping 40 yards over the 7-foot span.
Best shot shell video EVER !!
So so interesting .. i have always thought it was wad and powder combination that made the load ? But now I wonder please tell ..
Hi .I use Sellior & Bellot 1 oz load No 7s great at long range 40 to 50 y mod choke ,someone told me that the wad does not leave the the shot till it gets a far way out .this figures as I have found wads that have not open up I.E the petals. Great vid, Cheers Roger UK.
Fat Duck 🦆 Down.
Good job kids.
I THANK you guys for your time and effort to get it RIGHT. God bless you all.
This is the very best analysis I have ever seen
Dude, your show's writing is amazing.
Hey Joe I’m a trap shooter, and like you have read all of the theories about the shot string . I’m really glad that you took on this challenge…from my prospective I would ask if the cheap shells have a different shot string than the premium shells, for instance Remington gun clubs versus Remington STS. Also could you do more with lead shot such as hard lead with 6% antimony versus soft lead quenched low antimony. Ok one last item. does wad design make a difference? Windjammer versus rem figure 8. 4 petal type.. thanks and keep up the great work!
From the sporting clays side of things this explains many questions. Keep that barrel moving!!!!!
Been waiting on this one!!
Enjoy!
This video is awesome. That said, I always hear pros saying that a longer shot string is better for clays and how they achieve that is tighter constriction chokes. So that means a cylinder bore will have less shot string. It also means that one must be a really good shot first before taking advantage of that.
Outstanding video. It would be awesome to get different extended choke tubes and ammo from all sizes for waterfowl and see what they do in flight. This would definitely tell if your choke tubes are actually doing what they are supposed to be doing for distance and shot pattern.
Thanks... good suggestion! Be watching!
bloody incredible video mate... legendary stuff your doing here!!! greetings from the UK
@text-9455 Good lord! i did write i was from the UK
THANK YOU! Just got a new subscriber.
Hi from an intrigued clay shooter in the UK, found this really interesting to watch, the footage is amazing. I wandered if your investigations could include the question of stopping your gun during a shot, does the gun movement actually influence the horizontal spread of the pellets. I'm sure the question will create some teeth sucking by many shooters but find this debate fascinating.
Love the content! this is stuff you won't see from manufacturers even though they have the $$ and the cameras to do this type of comparison. Why not? I think its harder to sell their "narrative" of why their shells are superior when you show all of the other brands in the same test. bigger or smaller? faster or slower? longer or shorter? when you leave customers with these types of questions they just want a definite answer and its not always possible. There is a lot of un-measurable stuff going on and that leads to speculation. The first video of yours i watched was the load/shell testing, it was great. The thing I liked the best is your conclusion was "do some testing with your gun and then go practice". That is not what the manufacturers will say.
You are freaking awesome to put this together. More please more. The steel was crazy tight more on lead is needed for us upland hunters.
If I could just spell terrifique, that's the word I would assign to this video. Well done, well done, well done. . . . .
Great video. I have always wondered about shot string after shooting birds and clays for 45 years.
Fascinating stuff!
Great work! Thank you.
This is awesome. I shoot a lot of sporting clays and I"m always trying to figure out the variation between 9s and 7.5s and skeet choke vs. IC vs mod. I would love a video on that.
We have to check out chokes and their affect. Chokes are without question one of the hot topics.
great video ! Thank YOU ! ! ! !
Great work on the shot string. Great information, very useful .
😀😀😀👍👍👍❤ Joel this info on shot string length needs to be in all shot shell reloading manuals. NOW!!!!
This is awesome to see. Seeing this is slow motion makes me think that a longer shot string would definitely give you a better chance at hitting the bird, but in reality everything is happening so fast that maybe it wouldn’t matter at all. Plus, the longer shot string would make it so less bb’s are hitting the bird at the same time. Super cool to see and think about
Great video. I'm always calculating my leads and patterns with different loads and shot drag and now you throw in shot string. It can be complicated but fun to think about.
I stumbled across this video and all I can say is Wow! I really wish some one would do this with different chokes and trap/skeet loads. Thank you for taking the time to make this.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great content! Would like to see Federal Black Cloud tested. Thanks
Amazing, Awesome footage and super informative. Thanks for putting this together. Read Bret Huntsman Information would like to see the gel block dropped through the frame and shot.
😀😀😀👍👍👍❤ fiocci with such a short shot string means more hitting power on a moving target !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Best shotsell video EVER! Hands Down!!! Great Job JOEL!!!!
Haha! 🙌🏻 Thanks Tim! I appreciate you.
RUclips is so cool for content like this. Well, really RUclips creators are so cool for brining rich content like this we would never see on cable.
Please test a pattern master choke to see how the shot string is affected. Love this video
Brilliant video. Was told a couple of years ago If you`re going to miss, miss in front.
Thank you! Yours is the first video I've discovered that addresses shot string. Something that I've always understood that existed, but could never quite visualise. At least now, I have a better idea of its size at distance. I still need to know more, but as a, predominantly, clay shooter, my advantage would be to shoot with a load that provides the longest shot string, and alway try to, at least, miss the target in front! 😂 (If you miss behind the target, you may as well not pull the trigger! 🙄) And a tight choke is going to create a longer shot string... Now I just need to discover the best load to use... Is it soft lead? Or copper/bismuth? Definitely not steel... 😎
Great video, THANKS,,, I would like to see the 40 mph traveling paper target as the shot string hits it
This is great. I would love to see brand comparisons of 3.5" BB, then with different chokes. There's so many videos you could make on this topic to suit all types of shotgun hunting. Thanks for the work you're doing!
Great content. I'd love to see what Black Cloud looks like. My experience is that it is absolutely deadly on the ducks. Thanks!
Awesome video! Can't wait for the next one. Let the debating begin. lol
Debating INDEED!! LOL
Man i love your videos
Thanks for sharing all of this, very interesting stuff. Really appreciate !!!
I'm from Scotland, I have shot with a WW supreme for many seasons. It would be good to see what the shot strings of wad retaining chokes would look like. Personally for me it takes TIME to get back in form with the WW after a "summer" of clays, where shot string expansion is the trick, however stick with it gain that all important confidence whilst using the CORRECT LOADS and the results are outstanding.
Thanks for doing this investigation.
Don’t miss the next episode that looks at that very thing. Just released!
Thanks for putting your time and money into this. Dropping a lot of knowledge bombs in this one!!
I’m always told I over analyze shot loads, velocities. Ok now I’m not alone. Very well done. The technology of today is appreciated. I once set up a spinning disc of paper and measured the string. That is way back in my memory but I think our results were similar. Nice work.
Sooooooo interesting!!!! I’m glad it’s not me going down this rabbit hole…but I will watch 😆
I think higher velocity will exaggerate the string most. Adding a chronograph may be revealing. What are the effects of wad column length? Please identify one good shell and shoot it thru different chokes. This is facsinating. You need a Really Really like button. Great job!
I don't know how to do that. Got a phone number?
What an incredible video Joel! If it doesnt do 1 Million views we should storm the gates of RUclips headquarters!
Thanks Elliot. I like the way you think! 👊🏻💪🏻👍🏻
Howdy; Amazing stuff there alright. Now there are some of us that look to larger critters, Hogs and Coyotes. Could ya
do some loads of #4 Buckshot or even 00 Buck? We do some Sandhill Cranes in this area and some folks will do the job
with FF or T. Thanks for considering.
Without a doubt the best information I have seen or heard since Bob Brister's book. All the rest do not address the shot string which is too inportent to ignore. Thanks for sharing your information and hard work. Old Louisiana duck hunter and dreamer.
Thank you!
Excellent video. Well done Sir 👏
Yep, be interesting to see a moving swing with different length barrels and how that affects the shotstring length, density and width at 30/40 yards!!
Excellent video joel!
Thanks Jake!