The oil companies pulled the plug not Labour..get your facts right it was not profitable for Mobil etc. to refine oil products in NZ.,, a little reality Munchie.
Correct, people should not believe any thing shame jones says, bull shitter, nz had to import oil to refine, oil had become to expensive, refinery was not economical, onwers begin the 3 oil company's, not labour, marsden became storage, right so.
28 days seems inadequate - a rainy day reserve fund of at least 128 days would make more sense. The ludicrous prospect of being held to ransom by overseas fuel suppliers after Labour's ill-considered & short-sighted (bonkers) closure of Marsden is illogical.
GET US OUT OF THE WHO OUT OF THE UN OUT OF THE WEF MALARKEY STOP THE NET ZERO DESTRUCTION OF OUR AGRICULTURE AND FOOD SUPPLY STOP DESTRUCTION OF OUR ENERGY SECTOR FOR SECURE RELIABLE ENERGY NO ENERGY NO INDUSTRY NO INDUSTRY NO WORKERS
"What if a small group of world leaders were to conclude that the principal risk to the Earth comes from the actions of the rich countries?... In order to save the planet, the group decides: Isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring that about?" - Maurice Strong (First Director of the United Nations Environment Program)
Many thanks Mr. Jones. I appreciate your endeavours to uphold our sovereignty. I am of an "earlier" generation, so-to-speak. My recollection of past international agreements, required us to "self sufficient" ,this being a combination of production and storage, for a period of either 3 or 6 months. I was led to believe that was the impetus behind the widespread storage facilities, combined with the necessary transport methods to maintain storage levels, around New Zealand, the one that springs to mind first is the tank farm at Wiri. It was huge back in its heyday, I guess the pipeline from Marsden Point did make some of that facility redundant. My question is, why has this target been reduced to 28 days? My preference would be to go back to the "self sufficiency" model of which ever the time was - either 3 or 6 months
Yes, I agree with your plans to increase fuel stocks and storage provisions. This makes good common sense to me as an ordinary citizen with your proposals. Excellent work.
Thank You Shane - never give up -- Many folks have NO CLUE as to what is going on in the World - When they walk up they will understand that "WE' NZ need to work towards self sufficiency in every area we can... eg. Grow Sheep ! you cannot eat trees...
Get on with it Shane, you only have two years left. There has been a lot of talk about this. It is time you got the refurbishment of Marsden underway. Don't wait for Luxon because you will be waiting forever, do it now.
'Carless days.' From memory NZ needed 3 mths reserves of fuel, the escalation of the number of transport vehicles since then, Air, Sea, Road, Private and Commerical has increased considerably so I would suggest 3mths. From the social fabric side of the coin and media, what turmoil could be created when living on such a small time frame. 28 days would required a possible another carless days scenario and residential restrictions, oh wait a minute have we not just gone through all that with covid and now we have huge problems to get structure. The saying “Measure twice, cut once” is a classic adage that has been passed down through the ages and is still relevant today. It is a reminder to take the time to double-check measurements and ensure accuracy before taking any irreversible actions.
So not even a month if the shit hits the fan what about our armed forces and our ambulances and police and industry it’s all going to stop if the tankers don’t come 🤔🤔
Look at the towns and cities that are losing their ‘industries’. It decimated their economies. Timaru, West Coast, East Coast…I thought that would’ve been a job for labour that looks after the working class…I guess I was wrong. NZ first is standing up for them and putting NZ first!
I agree 💯 with those who say the Marsden Point re-opening is a step in the right direction. A sea enclosed Island Nation needs more than 30xdays of oil/petrol /airplane fuel reserves as backup. 3x months reserves minimum or a 1x year supply would give confidence to the public, in case of a worst case scenario should occur. With an operational Marsden Point refinery, a 3x months reserve is standard.
If my sources are correct, some of that 28 days is actually aboard ships destined for NZ.....which can easily turn around if someone else offers them more money. Or sinks them.
60 days Shane. Plus ask the fuel companies to bring back 98 octane fuels at the pump. Even just one pump, Shane as we are a country that loves old cars & they need that extra kick in their fuel or bring in E85 from Aussie.
With the crumbling 'western rules based world order' NZ needs to enhance its self-sufficiency - especially in energy. We should seek strategic supply and resources agreements with Australia to ensure that the two countries, as far as possible and practical, can survive independent of the rest of the world.
The current even factors in what's currently held mobile in pipelines, tankers, trucks, service station tanks even estimation of fuel tanks of the national vehicle fleet 😯
I see that petrol has not been mentioned, WHY. At the moment we receive petrol from overseas. My question is "How old is that petrol?" The petrol we receive at the moment is terrible as the shelf life is only a few weeks. I had trouble starting my chainsaw recently, took it to the repair shop and found out it was not starting due to old fuel. I was sold a small bottle of "petrol preserver" at a ridiculous price and told not to keep petrol for more than a few weeks. The boat was the same. I had to drain about 60-70 litres an use in my car as the two stroke outboards will not run on stale petrol. Anyone else have this problem?
No. At least three months and preferably more than six. And disperse the storage points in case of emergency. And either reopen Marsden point or put together an NZ merchant navy.
Have used petrol stored in 44 gallon drums three years old. It was still fine. Diesel lasts a lot longer. Just needs to be stored correctly. Access to air is the killer for fuels.
Where did you get that from. I think you need to be aware of the present governments approach to destabilizing maori institutions and promoting the ethos of we are all new Zealanders now. And like any good capitalistic society,where you end up is relative to your own efforts in life..
Nah we just be green and run the vehicle and airline industry on mushroom juice……… we are lucky to have you Mr Jones getting shit done with common sense.
We need to step away from USA and EU and stay independent on policy from these countries. Look at the state of USA and UK are in . Look after your own people.
We need atleast 3months duration rotation convienant too mapping trucking bypasses check gazzetting for city mapping for updated more convieniant depots for storage hav marsden as heritage minimal base u do the manopoly okay kachow mooo
90days and Reopen Marsden point and build a four lane highway all the way to Whangārei New Zealand stop taking northland for granted. What about all the railway sleepers on the side of the tracks? When are they going in? Please help.
Labour under Nash (1957 -1960) commissioned both the Tīwai Point aluminium smelter & the Marsden Point oil refinery. Completed in 64, it was a 2 year build costing taxpayers NZ£10 million. Expanded in 73 for NZ$160 million. A fortuitous move no doubt motivated by intel from the SIS - The Yom Kippur War motivated OPEC to raise crude oil prices resulting in the first global oil shock... A barrel of oil went from US$3 to US$20. An Israel attack on Iran's oil platforms, refineries & oil fields won't effect NZ., 90% goes to China. NZ's oil comes from refineries in Singapore, Korea & Japan. A conflict b/w China & Taiwan is the biggest threat to NZ security.
I love the way you aren’t just dictating Shane and asking the people. Unlike Labour greens and racist Māori party who just told you then spun their agendas
Kia ora my minister resilient politician hehe okaye boss u fix it u hav my consent we gotter be equipt aye auckland brings in most yearly gdp government dogpound dollar lol the brittish pound doubles in nz off shore pye investments so we hav cater for our foreign affairs we can't be seen running outf jet fuel diesel aponn needs basis emissions toxins only for pioneer use they know thier machinery its global green warming reserves must be appropriately stored for city constructions site hav fuel pump reserves on farm lots trucking depots need main base away from mainstream overloaded aswell military army base has too be the other use kingseat premises old hospital plots
AOTEAROA/NEW ZEALAND, NEW ZEALAND/AOTEAROA!! TODAY, TOMORROW AND EVERY OTHER DAY!! THATS, WOT MAKES, KIWIS UNIQUE. Your bull dusties ain't gona destroy that!!
Marsden point never worked to start with ,nz has not got enough crude oil ,due diligence is needed mate, shame jones is just a absolute blow arse, deceitful not to be trusted, disastrous .
It was a crime against our country that those last lot killed off our fuel production and resilience...we need Marsden Point back and up and running
The oil companies pulled the plug not Labour..get your facts right it was not profitable for Mobil etc. to refine oil products in NZ.,, a little reality Munchie.
Correct, people should not believe any thing shame jones says, bull shitter, nz had to import oil to refine, oil had become to expensive, refinery was not economical, onwers begin the 3 oil company's, not labour, marsden became storage, right so.
3-month minimum. Reopen Marsden Point.
I agree 👍
Who's going to pay to do it Chris?
@@tonywood3660 you
@@tonywood3660 Who will pay the price if we don't?
Marsden point💯 Shane Jones☝ New Zealand first👍
Doing a great job for New Zealand. Keep the good work going Shane.
Good common sense move, thank you Mr Jones 👍
3 months minimum safeguard.
60 days at least AND get Marsden point operational again.
Hmmm...nothing wrong with prepping...!
Bring back Marsden Point.. and is it just me? .. but 28 days stored ... dosent sound alot of leeway in troubled times...
As usual with governments these days it's always the bare minimum.
Shame jones absolute blow arse, not to be trusted, deceitful.
It isn't but who is going to pay for building the infrastructure. The oil companies won't a very poor ROI.
28 days seems inadequate - a rainy day reserve fund of at least 128 days would make more sense. The ludicrous prospect of being held to ransom by overseas fuel suppliers after Labour's ill-considered & short-sighted (bonkers) closure of Marsden is illogical.
GET US OUT OF THE WHO
OUT OF THE UN
OUT OF THE WEF MALARKEY
STOP THE NET ZERO DESTRUCTION OF OUR AGRICULTURE AND FOOD SUPPLY
STOP DESTRUCTION OF OUR ENERGY SECTOR FOR SECURE RELIABLE ENERGY
NO ENERGY NO INDUSTRY NO INDUSTRY NO WORKERS
❤❤❤❤
"What if a small group of world leaders were to conclude that the principal risk to the Earth comes from the actions of the rich countries?... In order to save the planet, the group decides: Isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring that about?" - Maurice Strong (First Director of the United Nations Environment Program)
Absolutely!!!
@@secondchance6603 nz is small no worries here
Agree 100% I don't trust any of these demons
Many thanks Mr. Jones. I appreciate your endeavours to uphold our sovereignty. I am of an "earlier" generation, so-to-speak. My recollection of past international agreements, required us to "self sufficient" ,this being a combination of production and storage, for a period of either 3 or 6 months. I was led to believe that was the impetus behind the widespread storage facilities, combined with the necessary transport methods to maintain storage levels, around New Zealand, the one that springs to mind first is the tank farm at Wiri. It was huge back in its heyday, I guess the pipeline from Marsden Point did make some of that facility redundant. My question is, why has this target been reduced to 28 days? My preference would be to go back to the "self sufficiency" model of which ever the time was - either 3 or 6 months
Case of who pays Harvie.
Nearer 90 days although this could include NZ owned fuel aboard NZ controlled shipping.
Well put, as usual.
Sounds like a awesome plan. Keep up the great work.
Thank god you got in , I'll be voting again for you next time .
Yes, I agree with your plans to increase fuel stocks and storage provisions. This makes good common sense to me as an ordinary citizen with your proposals. Excellent work.
Thank You Shane - never give up -- Many folks have NO CLUE as to what is going on in the World - When they walk up they will understand that "WE' NZ need to work towards self sufficiency in every area we can... eg. Grow Sheep ! you cannot eat trees...
Get on with it Shane, you only have two years left. There has been a lot of talk about this. It is time you got the refurbishment of Marsden underway. Don't wait for Luxon because you will be waiting forever, do it now.
💯
Yes please Mr Jones
I have my own fuel back storage at home because I don’t trust the system… just saying
Bring back Marsden point
Independence from outside, ❤😊
'Carless days.' From memory NZ needed 3 mths reserves of fuel, the escalation of the number of transport vehicles since then, Air, Sea, Road, Private and Commerical has increased considerably so I would suggest 3mths. From the social fabric side of the coin and media, what turmoil could be created when living on such a small time frame. 28 days would required a possible another carless days scenario and residential restrictions, oh wait a minute have we not just gone through all that with covid and now we have huge problems to get structure. The saying “Measure twice, cut once” is a classic adage that has been passed down through the ages and is still relevant today. It is a reminder to take the time to double-check measurements and ensure accuracy before taking any irreversible actions.
100 days minimum of reserves are essential
Good discussion. 3 months at least and bring back Marsden.
Well said!
So not even a month if the shit hits the fan what about our armed forces and our ambulances and police and industry it’s all going to stop if the tankers don’t come 🤔🤔
Look at the towns and cities that are losing their ‘industries’. It decimated their economies. Timaru, West Coast, East Coast…I thought that would’ve been a job for labour that looks after the working class…I guess I was wrong. NZ first is standing up for them and putting NZ first!
28 days fuel reserves are too small. We need at least 3 months reserve of fuel throughout New Zealand.
6 months makes good sense!!
Good on ya mate
Some one with brains
I agree 💯 with those who say the Marsden Point re-opening is a step in the right direction.
A sea enclosed Island Nation needs more than 30xdays of oil/petrol /airplane fuel reserves as backup. 3x months reserves minimum or a 1x year supply would give confidence to the public, in case of a worst case scenario should occur. With an operational Marsden Point refinery, a 3x months reserve is standard.
If my sources are correct, some of that 28 days is actually aboard ships destined for NZ.....which can easily turn around if someone else offers them more money. Or sinks them.
Good call Shane 28 days is way too low. 3 months minimum in current geopolitical situation.
60 days Shane.
Plus ask the fuel companies to bring back 98 octane fuels at the pump.
Even just one pump, Shane as we are a country that loves old cars & they need that extra kick in their fuel or bring in E85 from Aussie.
I remember Marsden point being built fo thi very reason. Stupid ppl in government over the past 30 yrs
Have nearly bought us to our knees .
Double it - 56 days storage would still be minimal if there are major issues regarding the supply chain. John Batchelor. Christchurch. 🇳🇿
Fix it Uncle ❤❤❤ NZF.
Well done Shane 👏 🇳🇿
With the crumbling 'western rules based world order' NZ needs to enhance its self-sufficiency - especially in energy. We should seek strategic supply and resources agreements with Australia to ensure that the two countries, as far as possible and practical, can survive independent of the rest of the world.
Your doing a great job. Keep doing what your doing
good point
Labour looks after itself from my experience ....
wait for trump and the lower oil price - then stock up.
DRILL BABY DRILL!!!
We need to do this Shane! Where is Auckland Shane, who owns the pub there!
If the US economy crashes, which it is likely to do then those reserves will be invaluable.
Drill drill drill baby
Didn't know new Zealand was a nation thought it was a self governed colony of the united kingdom a dominion.
Yes 3 months minimum and reopen Marsden Point.
need 60 days of worst case use scenario level for all fuel types
The current even factors in what's currently held mobile in pipelines, tankers, trucks, service station tanks even estimation of fuel tanks of the national vehicle fleet 😯
I see that petrol has not been mentioned, WHY. At the moment we receive petrol from overseas. My question is "How old is that petrol?" The petrol we receive at the moment is terrible as the shelf life is only a few weeks. I had trouble starting my chainsaw recently, took it to the repair shop and found out it was not starting due to old fuel. I was sold a small bottle of "petrol preserver" at a ridiculous price and told not to keep petrol for more than a few weeks. The boat was the same. I had to drain about 60-70 litres an use in my car as the two stroke outboards will not run on stale petrol.
Anyone else have this problem?
Lets become more independent. Recommission Marsden Point
No. At least three months and preferably more than six. And disperse the storage points in case of emergency. And either reopen Marsden point or put together an NZ merchant navy.
MORE IMPORTANT NOW TO HAVE 100 DAY RESERVE NOW MARSDEN POINT IS CLOSED DOWN.
Doesn't petrol etc go stale after a while?
Stored correctly with the right additives it keeps...
Have used petrol stored in 44 gallon drums three years old. It was still fine. Diesel lasts a lot longer. Just needs to be stored correctly. Access to air is the killer for fuels.
Nz first not maori first
Where did you get that from. I think you need to be aware of the present governments approach to destabilizing maori institutions and promoting the ethos of we are all new Zealanders now. And like any good capitalistic society,where you end up is relative to your own efforts in life..
Definitely don’t call NZ home!
Hello, Shane where is your bounce? Are you slowing down?
Thank you for that report.
You have to double that amount wouldn’t you
Nah we just be green and run the vehicle and airline industry on mushroom juice……… we are lucky to have you Mr Jones getting shit done with common sense.
We need to step away from USA and EU and stay independent on policy from these countries. Look at the state of USA and UK are in . Look after your own people.
We need atleast 3months duration rotation convienant too mapping trucking bypasses check gazzetting for city mapping for updated more convieniant depots for storage hav marsden as heritage minimal base u do the manopoly okay kachow mooo
3 months sounds achievable, also half the emergency vehicles on LPG or dual fuel
Who supplies the fuel now?
A year ahead at least
28 days doesn't sound like a great reserve
And when are you reopening Marsden Point?
90days and Reopen Marsden point and build a four lane highway all the way to Whangārei New Zealand stop taking northland for granted. What about all the railway sleepers on the side of the tracks? When are they going in? Please help.
Labour under Nash (1957 -1960) commissioned both the Tīwai Point aluminium smelter & the Marsden Point oil refinery.
Completed in 64, it was a 2 year build costing taxpayers NZ£10 million. Expanded in 73 for NZ$160 million. A fortuitous move no doubt motivated by intel from the SIS - The Yom Kippur War motivated OPEC to raise crude oil prices resulting in the first global oil shock... A barrel of oil went from US$3 to US$20. An Israel attack on Iran's oil platforms, refineries & oil fields won't effect NZ., 90% goes to China. NZ's oil comes from refineries in Singapore, Korea & Japan. A conflict b/w China & Taiwan is the biggest threat to NZ security.
No, 28 days is not sufficient. Sixty days is the minimum.
I love the way you aren’t just dictating Shane and asking the people. Unlike Labour greens and racist Māori party who just told you then spun their agendas
Moving to X you tube is rigged
No Shane, 56/60 days is far more reasonable until Marsden is back on line, and producing, Then, and only then, can we reduce to 28 days.
Shane Stone how about trading with China, Russia and Iran as well with Saudi Arabia that's my personal opinion 🤔
Yeah, let's give the CCP that uses slave labour and a terrorist state called Iran tax payers money, absolute genius!
Think big.
Refine our own.
It not about storage its about the crime of shutting our own supply and refinery , we have billions in the ground drill our own ffs
Do you belong to NZ your joking ant you in the republic of Seymour.
doesnt matter wat anyone else thinks Shane your going to do wat you want.
Well stop spraying the damn sky if you care about us and our country.
Who's getting the bonuses for allowing it to happen? Its absolutely disgusting.
Other countries have 3 month reserve's.
Kia ora my minister resilient politician hehe okaye boss u fix it u hav my consent we gotter be equipt aye auckland brings in most yearly gdp government dogpound dollar lol the brittish pound doubles in nz off shore pye investments so we hav cater for our foreign affairs we can't be seen running outf jet fuel diesel aponn needs basis emissions toxins only for pioneer use they know thier machinery its global green warming reserves must be appropriately stored for city constructions site hav fuel pump reserves on farm lots trucking depots need main base away from mainstream overloaded aswell military army base has too be the other use kingseat premises old hospital plots
your going to need bigger pockets shane with all those backhanders you are getting from the mining an petroleum companys
Grow up
AOTEAROA/NEW ZEALAND, NEW ZEALAND/AOTEAROA!! TODAY, TOMORROW AND EVERY OTHER DAY!! THATS, WOT MAKES, KIWIS UNIQUE. Your bull dusties ain't gona destroy that!!
Once you have a good refinery going its better to store the fuel grade oil than the fuel itself....
dishonourable shane jones - all talk no action. have you opened marsden point yet like you said you would? - NZLast
You don't borrow 14 billion dollars for tax cuts, absolutely stupid, 3 billion land lords, crazy, 216 million tax break tobacco company, dysfunctional , embarrassing .
Marsden point never worked to start with ,nz has not got enough crude oil ,due diligence is needed mate, shame jones is just a absolute blow arse, deceitful not to be trusted, disastrous .