I’m a concrete contractor and I pour a couple hundred yards every month and they still won’t open the plant if I’m the only guy pouring under 3-4 trucks. Don’t take it so personally.
Good to hear other side of story. Communication is so important and understand both side to make one plan. This is easier for every of us. After l have requested or ordered, always make sure and confirm beforehand. Cheers!😊
There are a couple of ways that you can solve the issue of over digging the footing line and they it won't cost you a lot of additional labor. My go to method is using a slip panel between the gravel/compacted soil and bring up the level on typical 6" lifts as you get near there to off the lift to raise the slip panel with you loader and continue up with the next lift. The geo fabric wraps up the inside face of the panel still serving too separate the drain rock from soil.
At least your mistakes were simple, fixable. Glad your honest and followed thru on making the correct adjustments. A real mistake would be pouring a 3" floor when it was to be 4", or allowing bows in the walls, or a 7" height of the wall when it should be 8".
I have worked in the building trades since 1968. I built my own house back in 1990. Many of issues you talked about all self builders deal with. You are a one time client. You are last on the list of importance. Depending on the demand in your area will determine when they get to you. I used the food and beer aproach. Often i would bring my subs lunch and some beers. I also used a demand performance clause in their contracts. Which stated they must man and perform as scheduled or they could be replaced and be responsible for all additional cost and legal fees. Also make sure all materials are paid for by any subs. The suplier can put a lien on your property for any materials droped at the job site.
Funny I thought I was the only one who used the beer food idea. I once had a garage door installer who worked for the large company. He told me that jobs are posted on a white board in their shop and many installers will put their name saying they wanted my job. I asked why he said everyone loved my jobs because the floor was flat so no scribing their 1st panel, all blocking was in for the hangers for the track, the garage had nothing in the way where they had to work and everyday was like a Saturday on my job. They knew to schedule at noon because they knew there would be a bucket of cold beer on ice at 3:30. he said there would be some heated arguments and then they all agreed to share my jobs.
What a wasting money advertising so beautiful to attract even one client. This one client can turn endless clients by mouth to friends and neighbors upon outstanding service. In these days we are finding out all information through the internet exchanging the experiences. Thanks!😍
Oh mine! What a stress! The company should have "mentor and programmers to support for first home builder". Seems like They are interested just selling the materials. Beginning, middle, after services and communications must and essential part of the business. Well, l need research and study more reliable company. Hang in there! One step at a time you will complete the beautiful house.🏡🏘lt was nice of you showing around the house the mistakes and TipsㅡWhat a great lesson!!👍👍
I’d install j bolts out of the house 4” in your W pattern. It’s not a pain in the butt. You hold board to bolts and hit with hammer. Even if not perfectly straight the ledger board will be.
Your deck ledger board is a non problem. Having it on the blocks as you pour is a positive, not a neg. It will add rigidity to it. It's great you're doing most of it yourselves. Just discovered your channel.
@@neckofthewoods24 I was a project manager for an ICF builder and for your ledger board… 1). WINDOW THE ICF, so your board is against solid concrete NOT AGAINST FLEXIBLE FORMS AND STRAPS… 2). screw the board to the straps (which will cover the “windows” … 3). drill holes through the board for a J-bolt… 4). insert the j-bolts with nuts and washers…the j-bolts will cure into the concrete but not prevent adjustment from shifting during pour 5). Tighten j-bolts after concrete is hard I would check with building inspector/codes before going too far. I completely understand your concern about things shifting but the screws holding the board in place while you pour will actually help keep things from shifting and as long as you are checking square, plumb and level after the pour (before hardening) as required for any construction you will be just fine! I would rather plan on shimming for boards on top of a ledger board (or trimming the ledger board) on a correctly installed significant structure than trying to use less than ideal fasteners for such an important structural components…to your complaint about contractors…completed understandable but a bit of an entitled attitude…helping “self built homes” are not the bread and butter of contractors or concrete plants…granted i am a “do what you say you will”…but you really need to understand the industry a bit better same with the transportation industry…liability and profitability are ALWAYS contributing factors to servicing NON Commercial customers. Inconvenient? YES…costly? Most times but that is the trade off of risk/reward/savings that you need to accept when trying to build a home yourself and relying on the professionals to help guide you to achieve your goal. Love the videos and sharing the journey…my comments are only meant to help you stay focused on the goal…focus on what you can control, let go of what you can’t control and pray for the wisdom to recognize the difference 😊 (slightly copied…SERENITY 🙏🏼)
@@joshlindemeier2434 thanks for the insight and advice. That was a long time ago but I think I got it mostly right. 1 or 2 of the window bucks might be out of plumb but I’ve shimmed it up with the drywall. 1 and done for me though.
I know exactly what you mean about the storm clouds, they do the same thing over our house, no one believed us so we took video footage one day. Weirdest thing!
I've worked with all major freight carriers and they all require a signature on the BOL for delivery. Its kind of a protection being that a single pallet can be worth 100,000.
would have bumped out brakets to hold the leger boards. cement all the way down . would have given a little architectural interest, Been super strong and they would have only needed to be perhaps 2 foot high and a solid piece of concrete that was a bit of your icf wall
Not sure I follow how that’d be done but theses strong ties are legit and strong. If you’re talking about the outside ones since they won’t see weather I’m confident in the strength. Plus it’s only holding up the ledger at the house. The rest of the porch is held up by concrete piers.
@@neckofthewoods24 www.homedepot.com/p/Fypon-7-1-4-in-x-4-in-x-12-in-Polyurethane-Bracket-BKT7X12X4/203300189 bracket made with IFC with rebar inside several just as you did with the simpson strong tie.
In my area, the concrete plants don't typically work Saturdays. Your complaint is off base. The batch plant is not a charity . They won't make any money opening up for a 2 truck pour. The truck drivers will need 8 hours overtime and the operator of the plant has to get paid a full days pay. Truck drivers typically need someone to sign for the order and to tell them where to put it. It seems you are not able to pour during the week, is that the case?
They do work on Saturday’s and we’ve used them before. We were bullied into saying we’ll hold off till another day and we should have waited till it actually rained or put us out. I never asked for a charity. The date and time were set by them a week in advance and we pay up front. My cards already been charged. I think for 47 yards they are making money from us for 3-4hrs of work. I can pour during the week but my family and friends can’t make it. I have to hire outside help in people I don’t know so the weekend suits us better and is cheaper.
Dont worry,for other mistakes much but the wall looking not straight in the middle going 3 inch inside looks a serious problem of the ICF product and those green pipes were not needed to go all around the house like that but put kitchen,wc in one side near the main pipes. Pouring more concrete in the foundation is good,not bad.and in europe we put 10 times more than you here concrete in the foundation. I see a problem with ICF product that is not enough room to pour the concrete and than to vibrate inside the wall form the concrete,but still this home will be strong in its first floor or basement made all in concrete. So is good. I will invent a new concrete block form better than ICF
everything is very straight. im sure it was the lens or before the pour. as for the green pipes, they were needed by the engineer. im glad i have them with all this rain water! its been pretty bad and i wouldnt want an area building up with water. im not sure why you'd use so much concrete? you only need to hold up what needs held up. do more just wastes money. the pour on the 6" walls was easy, the 4" walls were a little harder but we used a small size stone.
Another RUclips channel that I watch who builds a lot of ICF walls just puts more rock where he over excavates because rock is less expensive than concrete. I realize it is too late for you to benefit but others reading this might benefit. The other thing that they do with regard to fastening ledgers is what you mentioned, they just cut out a section of the foam and cover it with plywood with a J bolt imbedded into the concrete which later after removing the plywood are used to hold the ledger to the walls. This is a trade off between labor cost to do that versus the cost of the Simpson brackets. They did not say what the engineering issues were and I do not know if there were any insulation issues. Again, not a criticism but just another approach that others can evaluate to make the cost benefit tradeoff for their circumstances..
Hey brother, just watched your video. I am a retired builder and want to build an ICF home in Tennessee. Would love to talk to you and pick your brain. Are you on face book? My Facebook is Shannon Harding my photo on Facebook is a class room of poor kids in the Philippines.
@@neckofthewoods24 I hear ya, however, chasing perfection in construction starts running up the tab more then the mistake of overkill, in this case the concrete
Bryan Cox yes already poured but the Tapcon bits that I have, have been amazing at drilling all concrete no matter where I use them. Luckily I’ve hit no rebar yet.
understandable and there are "hard hat" "restricted access" signs now posted. as for publicly criticizing a builder who doesn't build homes but contracts out all of the work to whom ever is available, can impose issues and quality control problems resorting is lawsuits and safety violations. i'm not saying this will happen but its a learning experience for all as many shows and channels are built around the topic. id like to see others be safe and question their "builder" if they believe something is wrong or needs fixed before moving on. i will talk with the owner.
Everyone makes mistakes; thankfully you own yours and are willing to share. Thank you
Your welcome.
I’m a concrete contractor and I pour a couple hundred yards every month and they still won’t open the plant if I’m the only guy pouring under 3-4 trucks. Don’t take it so personally.
Good to hear other side of story. Communication is so important and understand both side to make one plan. This is easier for every of us. After l have requested or ordered, always make sure and confirm beforehand. Cheers!😊
There are a couple of ways that you can solve the issue of over digging the footing line and they it won't cost you a lot of additional labor. My go to method is using a slip panel between the gravel/compacted soil and bring up the level on typical 6" lifts as you get near there to off the lift to raise the slip panel with you loader and continue up with the next lift. The geo fabric wraps up the inside face of the panel still serving too separate the drain rock from soil.
Great demo! To be honest the most experienced and expensive builder will make more mistakes and they never admit it 👍
At least your mistakes were simple, fixable. Glad your honest and followed thru on making the correct adjustments. A real mistake would be pouring a 3" floor when it was to be 4", or allowing bows in the walls, or a 7" height of the wall when it should be 8".
Allan Holiday yeah this is my house! Stuffs gonna be over kill vs under that’s for sure
Enjoyed your walking us thru the issues .. not building anything currently, but fascinated with this system vs forms .. will follow your build.
Thanks Mark!
I have worked in the building trades since 1968. I built my own house back in 1990. Many of issues you talked about all self builders deal with. You are a one time client. You are last on the list of importance. Depending on the demand in your area will determine when they get to you. I used the food and beer aproach. Often i would bring my subs lunch and some beers. I also used a demand performance clause in their contracts. Which stated they must man and perform as scheduled or they could be replaced and be responsible for all additional cost and legal fees. Also make sure all materials are paid for by any subs. The suplier can put a lien on your property for any materials droped at the job site.
So far no leans. I’ve bought it all myself and haven’t had any real contractors out. We’ll see what happens now that I need some.
Funny I thought I was the only one who used the beer food idea. I once had a garage door installer who worked for the large company. He told me that jobs are posted on a white board in their shop and many installers will put their name saying they wanted my job. I asked why he said everyone loved my jobs because the floor was flat so no scribing their 1st panel, all blocking was in for the hangers for the track, the garage had nothing in the way where they had to work and everyday was like a Saturday on my job. They knew to schedule at noon because they knew there would be a bucket of cold beer on ice at 3:30. he said there would be some heated arguments and then they all agreed to share my jobs.
What a wasting money advertising so beautiful to attract even one client. This one client can turn endless clients by mouth to friends and neighbors upon outstanding service. In these days we are finding out all information through the internet exchanging the experiences. Thanks!😍
The new pressure treatment is the more corrosive one. Galvanizing does not solve the electrolysis - just makes a better battery.
That’s not good. Glad I changed it then
Cold galvanize spray your hardware several times and then paint it and you will be good. Keep the paint maintained after that
To late now haha. We swapped to huge Titian HD bolts into the thin part of the foam since we did the taper blocks.
We used Jbolts for inside and outside... going on 20 years.... :)
Frank Da Tank good to know! The winglet bolts have the same coating!
Haha I think the plants reason for not opening is justified.
I enjoy your channel. Subbed.
Thank you.
Thanks for sharing man, we're about start our ICF build too. We're using NUDURA as well. You gave a lot of good tips. Im subbed!!!
Good luck with your build.
Oh mine! What a stress! The company should have "mentor and programmers to support for first home builder". Seems like They are interested just selling the materials. Beginning, middle, after services and communications must and essential part of the business. Well, l need research and study more reliable company. Hang in there! One step at a time you will complete the beautiful house.🏡🏘lt was nice of you showing around the house the mistakes and TipsㅡWhat a great lesson!!👍👍
Thanks and will do! We’ve come a long way!
I’ve just started watching your videos I like what I see all you Americans are doing this type of thing
Thank you. Yes I’m tired of traditional building. Where are you from?
@@neckofthewoods24 northeast England town called Sunderland
@@stephenmartin8587 nice, welcome!
DIY! you are incredible. wondering if you have worked in any construction before this project before.
A little. Nothing major like an apprentice. Just small stuff and around 10 helped put a second story on a family members house.
I’d install j bolts out of the house 4” in your W pattern. It’s not a pain in the butt. You hold board to bolts and hit with hammer. Even if not perfectly straight the ledger board will be.
We did on a horizontal plan for the sills. I think this was still way easier. Specially doing it alone. I’d of needed 3 people this way
Your deck ledger board is a non problem. Having it on the blocks as you pour is a positive, not a neg. It will add rigidity to it. It's great you're doing most of it yourselves. Just discovered your channel.
Light Ning but they aren’t outside approved. Ridgid now but in 10-20 years they may fail and all that’s left are the appropriate bolts.
@@neckofthewoods24 I was a project manager for an ICF builder and for your ledger board…
1). WINDOW THE ICF, so your board is against solid concrete NOT AGAINST FLEXIBLE FORMS AND STRAPS…
2). screw the board to the straps (which will cover the “windows” …
3). drill holes through the board for a J-bolt…
4). insert the j-bolts with nuts and washers…the j-bolts will cure into the concrete but not prevent adjustment from shifting during pour
5). Tighten j-bolts after concrete is hard
I would check with building inspector/codes before going too far.
I completely understand your concern about things shifting but the screws holding the board in place while you pour will actually help keep things from shifting and as long as you are checking square, plumb and level after the pour (before hardening) as required for any construction you will be just fine! I would rather plan on shimming for boards on top of a ledger board (or trimming the ledger board) on a correctly installed significant structure than trying to use less than ideal fasteners for such an important structural components…to your complaint about contractors…completed understandable but a bit of an entitled attitude…helping “self built homes” are not the bread and butter of contractors or concrete plants…granted i am a “do what you say you will”…but you really need to understand the industry a bit better same with the transportation industry…liability and profitability are ALWAYS contributing factors to servicing NON Commercial customers. Inconvenient? YES…costly? Most times but that is the trade off of risk/reward/savings that you need to accept when trying to build a home yourself and relying on the professionals to help guide you to achieve your goal.
Love the videos and sharing the journey…my comments are only meant to help you stay focused on the goal…focus on what you can control, let go of what you can’t control and pray for the wisdom to recognize the difference 😊 (slightly copied…SERENITY 🙏🏼)
@@joshlindemeier2434 thanks for the insight and advice. That was a long time ago but I think I got it mostly right. 1 or 2 of the window bucks might be out of plumb but I’ve shimmed it up with the drywall. 1 and done for me though.
I know exactly what you mean about the storm clouds, they do the same thing over our house, no one believed us so we took video footage one day. Weirdest thing!
Most of the time the rain scoots a mile or two north of us.
I've worked with all major freight carriers and they all require a signature on the BOL for delivery. Its kind of a protection being that a single pallet can be worth 100,000.
What was this in reference to?
would have bumped out brakets to hold the leger boards. cement all the way down . would have given a little architectural interest, Been super strong and they would have only needed to be perhaps 2 foot high and a solid piece of concrete that was a bit of your icf wall
Not sure I follow how that’d be done but theses strong ties are legit and strong. If you’re talking about the outside ones since they won’t see weather I’m confident in the strength. Plus it’s only holding up the ledger at the house. The rest of the porch is held up by concrete piers.
@@neckofthewoods24 www.homedepot.com/p/Fypon-7-1-4-in-x-4-in-x-12-in-Polyurethane-Bracket-BKT7X12X4/203300189 bracket made with IFC with rebar inside several just as you did with the simpson strong tie.
Black oxide. The aluminum finish coating that pretends to be corrosion resistant but isn't lol.
whats this in reference to?
Awesome dude! Who was your engineer? Would you recommend them?
The new one yes. The original no. Alan Albrecht aaaeng.llc@gmail.com
@@neckofthewoods24 thank you!
Thanks, I love learning from other's mistakes. A detailed CAD model may have helped.
anytime! i have one on the computer but not in a shareable PDF formate.
That’s called extra dry basement. Can’t have two much stone.
still need to get concrete over the driveway garage entrance. basement can get wet when it rains!!
In my area, the concrete plants don't typically work Saturdays. Your complaint is off base. The batch plant is not a charity . They won't make any money opening up for a 2 truck pour. The truck drivers will need 8 hours overtime and the operator of the plant has to get paid a full days pay. Truck drivers typically need someone to sign for the order and to tell them where to put it. It seems you are not able to pour during the week, is that the case?
They do work on Saturday’s and we’ve used them before. We were bullied into saying we’ll hold off till another day and we should have waited till it actually rained or put us out. I never asked for a charity. The date and time were set by them a week in advance and we pay up front. My cards already been charged. I think for 47 yards they are making money from us for 3-4hrs of work. I can pour during the week but my family and friends can’t make it. I have to hire outside help in people I don’t know so the weekend suits us better and is cheaper.
Did you rent or buy your ICF bracing? And from where?
Rented and from a local guy that I got his info from giraffe bracing who told me he rents them.
@@neckofthewoods24 nice! What part of the country are you in? I called giraffe a while back and they weren't much help
@@walnut_trail_farm ohio
First sign when done . In Garage NO WHINING
she's done enough!
Dont worry,for other mistakes much but the wall looking not straight in the middle going 3 inch inside looks a serious problem of the ICF product and those green pipes were not needed to go all around the house like that but put kitchen,wc in one side near the main pipes. Pouring more concrete in the foundation is good,not bad.and in europe we put 10 times more than you here concrete in the foundation. I see a problem with ICF product that is not enough room to pour the concrete and than to vibrate inside the wall form the concrete,but still this home will be strong in its first floor or basement made all in concrete. So is good. I will invent a new concrete block form better than ICF
everything is very straight. im sure it was the lens or before the pour. as for the green pipes, they were needed by the engineer. im glad i have them with all this rain water! its been pretty bad and i wouldnt want an area building up with water. im not sure why you'd use so much concrete? you only need to hold up what needs held up. do more just wastes money. the pour on the 6" walls was easy, the 4" walls were a little harder but we used a small size stone.
Another RUclips channel that I watch who builds a lot of ICF walls just puts more rock where he over excavates because rock is less expensive than concrete. I realize it is too late for you to benefit but others reading this might benefit.
The other thing that they do with regard to fastening ledgers is what you mentioned, they just cut out a section of the foam and cover it with plywood with a J bolt imbedded into the concrete which later after removing the plywood are used to hold the ledger to the walls. This is a trade off between labor cost to do that versus the cost of the Simpson brackets. They did not say what the engineering issues were and I do not know if there were any insulation issues. Again, not a criticism but just another approach that others can evaluate to make the cost benefit tradeoff for their circumstances..
It's only like 1/6 of a tattoo sleeve in extra rock.
depends who the artist is i guess haha.
Hey brother, just watched your video. I am a retired builder and want to build an ICF home in Tennessee. Would love to talk to you and pick your brain. Are you on face book? My Facebook is Shannon Harding my photo on Facebook is a class room of poor kids in the Philippines.
James Harding sign up to Instagram if you don’t have it. The messaging system is real easy there. We are NeckofTheWoods2020.
@james who did you use for ICF in TN? Are you potentially in East TN near Knoxville?
If you had used footer forms instead of building them, you’d have less waste.
We’ve used the 2x10’s now 4 times over. Still using them now over a year later. Definitely money well spent! Worth a million dollars now haha.
These aren’t really mistakes but I can appreciate the chip on the shoulder
we'll at this point 3/27/21 id rather have that money in my pocket haha.
@@neckofthewoods24 I hear ya, however, chasing perfection in construction starts running up the tab more then the mistake of overkill, in this case the concrete
Where did you get the bracing?
A company gave me the name of a guy who bought a bunch in Ohio. That’s the Bryan I keep mentioning.
@@neckofthewoods24 I plan to do one next year and will have to source braces
Mike Grant yes you will and I got lucky.
you are really splitting hairs - nothing is ever perfect, everything man made breaks
Let’s hope not in my lifetime.
It might break but it can take a long time if done correct....look at the pyramids
you've probably already poured... drilling for your bolts might be difficult if you hit aggregate
5/8" galvanized bolts before pouring might prove better..
Bryan Cox yes already poured but the Tapcon bits that I have, have been amazing at drilling all concrete no matter where I use them. Luckily I’ve hit no rebar yet.
you don’t have to fill extra gap with rocks. You do rocks as usual and fill the gap with the soil.
@@plemax we did.
@@neckofthewoods24 I understand that. I just saying you don’t have to. All you need to do is cover weeping tile 4-6” around the pipe for drainage.
man contractors - they just don't show.
Still going thought it now! Even with the owner of a company I was planning on using!
@@neckofthewoods24 Yup! You're just better off moving on and finding someone else who is willing to listen or research!
@@bigneilh exactly!
Anyone ever tell you that you sound like Steve Carell?
lol no but being in sales before and a nurse now i get called a new celeb like every day and its never the same person twice haha.
Scott check your messages
I’ve so enjoyed watching you until I watched you trespass onto someone else’s property and publicly criticize what is their personal business.
understandable and there are "hard hat" "restricted access" signs now posted. as for publicly criticizing a builder who doesn't build homes but contracts out all of the work to whom ever is available, can impose issues and quality control problems resorting is lawsuits and safety violations. i'm not saying this will happen but its a learning experience for all as many shows and channels are built around the topic. id like to see others be safe and question their "builder" if they believe something is wrong or needs fixed before moving on. i will talk with the owner.