Ramaphosa clashes with Steenhuisen over Russian vessel
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- Опубликовано: 10 май 2023
- President Cyril Ramaphosa told parliament that the South African government was “looking into” explosive allegations made by the US government that a Russian ship loaded weapons on board when it was docked at Simon's Town naval base.
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Everything is "being looked into" . But nothing happens
So true
yeah, it remind me of American police "investigation" of police killing of civilians in American cities all across the nation.
The fact that this man laughs !! And take all these matters a joke !! Is just appalling we want him removed !!
Only whites and coloreds want him removed
What the problem with South Africans? Don't you see he is doing what is best to make a brighter future for your country? Or did you brainwashed by the west by believing that they are your small God? Open your eyes and support your president🇰🇪🇰🇪
And be replaced by another ANC member who is just as good at laughing at serious questions and concerns. We need a change from ANC leadership and not EFF either! They're just another Zanu PF.
@@starspark9471 not DA either. They are clowns
@@joycenthoba8541firstly, I just need to say I'm not a fan of the DNA either because some things on their manifesto are not in line with my beliefs, but from an administrative point of view, and from handling/pushing down on corruption, they are pretty good. if you don't want to vote DA, then vote for one of the parties who are part of the "moonshot pact" with the DA to oust the ANC, and who aren't known to abandon the DA for mayoral chains and high positions and the opportunity to loot.
Unfortunately the DA are the only ones with experience in running an entire province (western Cape for many years). Remember, the ANC do not want the DA to be seen to do a good job. EFF, COPE, ACTION SA, AIC, etc. get in bed with the party that will give them what they want, eg. High position, mayoral chains, etc. Every time a mayor is thrown out, it causes chaos and the efforts to make a mayor look bad are worthy of mission impossible music.
We had water cuts before Tanya Campbell was voted out of ekurhuleni.. On the day she was voted out, the reservoirs started filling again and we haven't had a problem since. No vandalism of pipes and only one outage at Rand Water either since she was ousted. We had also haven't had a problem with rubbish collection since ANC/AIC came in. Nothing changed in the fleet - the coalition didn't buy more rubbish trucks in a day (over and above what the DA invested in). It just came right. Most likely because the ANC supporters within the service delivery sector want ANC leadership no matter how bad the leadership looks because they get something out of it. ANC/EFF want to loot. DA doesn't allow everyone's hands in the till. So the other parties want them out. It's very easy to take note of these things.
Another day, another load of BS from the Prez mouth. Look up the word integrity!
Why dont you listen to Moon Boy and tell us where he get the informations that the Russians are killing people all over AFRICA ???
I looked up the word intergrity in the dictionary, but there was no description, only a picture of some cartoon farmer guy smoking weed.
Is everything OK in Europe?
@@mthimkhulu30 Have no idea, I don't live there!
Old Cyril. Once seen as honorable has shown that he is the most dishonest and corrupt of them all. Playing politics and avoiding legit questions.
Was never honourable.
@@SimonRolland550 Exactly, complaining about R15.50 to $1 in Zumas time but now we busy sitting on R18.00 to $1 and crickets
South Africa had so much home work to do but the focus on other countries war and ammunition. Di they have a army and is they in a potions to make big countries there friends or enemies ?? Stay put and sort out there power and infrastructure first.
Still an amateur compared to zuma
@@Ilikepie18855Cyril and Zuma are🤮🤮🤮🤮😵🤡🤡
Answer the question YES OR NO DID WE SUPPLY RUSSIA.
a laughing matter?? 😮 the day the anc came into power it was the end of SA
The South Africa that verwoerd said , white South Africa.
The day the National Party was kicked out of power was a new dawn for South Africa. All we have to do now is send these complainers packing and let them taste what life is like in PERTHoria.
It's being looked into, just like the loadshedding crisis, 15 years later...
A true expert in speaking a lot of words but saying nothing at all.
The military bases in South Africa are not the people's military bases. We have no say about what the military does. That should have been clear when they were beating citizens during lockdown.
Also the same as the theft at his farm, he had nothing to say cos the matter was looked into. As a president he should at least give account to the claims by the opposition.
He never seems to know what’s going on around him? Not even at his farm 😳 The defense minister just gives arms to Russia without anyone knowing? Hahahahaha
All BS as if they didn't know!!!
Looks this PM has some other games to play :D looks idiot
The military bases belongs to the people of South Africa, to be used to defend the people of South Africa, like you. For now, the party with the majority vote have no problems with maintaining good relations with Russia and other BRICS+ countries. Deal with it. Go fight your Ukraine battles in Europe, not on South African soil or any African soil for that matter.
Processes never reach fruition. In time? When Mr Ramaphosa? Mr Steenhuizen has reason to be so-called aggressive. That is the feeling in general in South Africa.
I used to like Cyril,but the disrespect and irrelevant comments targeted towards Steenhuisen just shows his true colours. Come 2024,we will get you and your corrupt government out. ✊🏾
Didn't he shoot a bunch of striking miners? Wasn't there something about him having a terrible human rights record from the start?
You are right Sia. He is a Snake with a forked tongue.
@@sia9907 if a whole bunch of miners gather with pangas and start rushing at police, I would hope police have live ammunition to defend themselves. The miners should not have had weapons with them anyway as it is illegal to gather and protest with them in hand.
@@starspark9471 You're defending what happened at Marikana? Insanity.
@@sia9907 I wish things had turned out differently. People (some people) have the rights to peaceful protest/strike, not a violent one. But people are not allowed to gather and protest with any kind of weapons on their person. It's against the law. We need to start upholding such laws. If that has been done by all involved, including police in the early stages of the gathering, as well as organisers of protests and the protesters themselves, the likes of what happened at Marikana would not have happened. We also need to stop elevating the criminal element to something to be memorialized. We all have a responsibility.
When you are told the matter is being investigated, it's a code for " being swept under the very large ANC carpet"...
...or stashed behind some cushions.
50 years later investigation report finally comes out
Report: there was no ship
Well said, bunch of clowns!
no it's not
Let's make Europeans Great again because at this current situation haaaaaa hayi they're not🤣🤣
It's 6 months since that Russian ship left our shores in the middle of the night and no explanation was given
Do you in your right mind think Russia needs arms from South Africa
@Simon MM you just showed your weakness
Yes they most definitely do... they're begging for arms all. Over the world. North Korea and Iran are the only ones that have been dumb enough to give so far, until apparently South Africa. Russia has used a HUGE portion of their available stocks in Ukraine and can't make it fast enough to even come close to providing what they need.
@@craiggeorge1785 They're buying arms from Iran, why wouldn't they buy arms from SA if they could?
What is wrong with a Russian ship docking at a South African harbour. We are part of an economic alliance. It's called BRICS.
So we don't have money to fix Load Shedding or service delivery yet we have funds for Russia? Send Cyril to the Hague
This is NOT OUR SOUTH AFRICA! Cannot even solve a 15 year loadshedding problem. Electricity... I mean... We are going BACKWARDS. If no one sees it then i have no idea...
Ashamed of being South African when these clowns do as they please!
This IS our South Africa, if only some of these damn complaining monkeys could stop and start working with the rest of us. The government will not solve everything. Sometimes we have to step in as a collective if we really call ourselves South Africans.
So the President doesnt know there was a Russian ship at a Naval base? Joke
Simon's town Naval base is South Africa's, yes, but who governs and controls what happens in that Naval base? Not the people of South Africa. The ANC is playing with the lives of South African people.
Who elects the ruling party? The people
Ramaphosa: "Steenhuisen, how dare you challenge me? Perhaps you need to be a bit more patriotic!" SMH
Steenhuisen had been a nuisance and a asshole in parliament since he got there. He never has an original arguments. His politics is based on "the opposite of what other parties say"
This is such an embarrassment.
An embarrassment for who white boy or black slave, this is South Africa, no longer a colony. U racist are about to find out the hard way.
No such thing in Mandela land
I agree Ramaphosa should have put Steenhuisen in his place long ago
@@jeffmason2691 exactly. Why didn't ramaphosa resign and put him as president instead.....instead of all these useless ministers
No Mr President....the people of South Africa are so keen, we are so keen to know. We should know as the naval base belongs to us South African people apparently.
Ask your Familie where you come from.. 😂😂😂😂
CR says that John Steenhuisen wants to know what occurred at Simonstown . So does the public of South Africa and it sounds by the way he answered he is not interested in the answer and the question agrivates him . He also doesn't seem to worry as to how long the investigation takes . This seems to be an ANC tactic .
It's the economical crisis now we need the economic freedom fighter.
Six months later and Cyril doesn’t know what was loaded onto this ship?!!
CR: What ship? 😏
Cyril: we loaded transformation onto the ship.
The Lord of War
What is the DA's take on the Iraq invasion, and what have they asked in the justice in the name of that?
@@thabangpopela9784 Nothing to do with SA and not relevant here
Cyril, laughing like a hyena..
Imagine the president of a country saying he will look into a matter he knows very well what was loaded onto that ship !! .. who is he trying to fool ?? LOL
Still fooling ANC voters
I will be happy when it's finally said the shop carried arms
Why is commission required. The President is commander in chief and should be able to have answers by just talking to the OC's of Defence and Navy and request a report from minister of defence.
Info collated in no more than 1 day...
Why spend millions of much needed money for a simple admin job?
Liar liar, pants on fire Cyril!!😂😂
Don’t worry Steenhuisen, the ANC have launched a probe. We all know how those go lmao.
I just cannot believe that such a dangerous and serious matter is being laughed at which we all wonder what will happen next or if we get dragged into war. I for one think the ANC has done the country enough service for 10 lifetimes and that we need someone who actually care for the well being of us all rather than their own arses
Agree.
You laugh at untrue matters
A laughing matter? Focus on the issue and do not run around the issue at hand.Eskom also belongs to the people of SA, as well as Transnet,Denel, Post Office, SAA and others.What happened to them?
Cyril is looking into it, not to worry everyone cyril is looking into it.. Absolutely no corruption or foul play to see here
Can't see anything cos the lights are off.
Sadly our President lacks honesty, integrity accountability and responsibility. Mr President you are the President of South Africa, but you seem to forget that. Mr Steenhuizen was not rude. Your reply Mr President tells us more about what you didn't say. How sad the situation in our country has become!
John is rude and racist
I think Julius Malema's time has arrived
But he's is racist and supporting the same people who supported apartheid so this is stupid
@@mthimkhulu30 Malema will.destroy S.A 😢😢😢
The Afrikaner was racist and unpatriotic. "Your government?" really? So he is more concerned wabout his fellow snowflakes in Ukraine than South Africa as a country?
Wow it's being looked into......so disrespectful
Everything is a laughing matter to this southafrican president.
lol first time watching anything related to the South African parliament, this looks like a clown show
Someone who cannot give a direct answer is a straight out liar.
Ramaphuk thinks its a big joke
south africa is gone
Oom Cyril is excellent at providing non-answers
"It's been looked into...'
Translation: 'We are trying to work out our bull shit story to cover up what went down'
This is so scary ..... we are being lied to. In any case .... enjoy life while you have it. 🎉
Yep, looked into like all the other crap that goes under the carpet. Time to boot him and his cronies out.
When all is said and done, a whole lot is said, but next to nothing is done. 😑
Sooner or later the common folk, freezing, half starved, in the dark and desperate, are going to take matters into their own hands. Take heed. 😑
I hope sooner rather than later because 15 years is a long time to wait.
@@Jason-xb2qf Deep winter 2023. 🥶💀
That's the plan, isn't it ???
Yeah, it's called a civil war. Do you really want that kind of chaos? Good luck with that.
@@llewellynlewdaniels3595 Of course it is civil war LD. Of course it is. 😠
"Honourable 'The President'" The hell kind of formal speech even is that?
You mean to tell me he did or doesn’t know what was going on there, how stupid do we look 🤔
It's easy for him to say this matter will be looked into, whatever they doing, they don't care that innocent people who know nothing will suffer from the consequences of their actions. He is still finding this sarcastic when innocent peoples' blood were shed, shows what kind of a human being this is...
Anyone else up for a picnic at the Simon's Town Naval Base harbour which clearly belongs to all of South Africa.
What’s funny in him saying what belongs to the people of South Africa when it’s convenient but what about our tax money, our lives, education, housing and more that belongs to the people huh mr president 👀
The process is a process of a process of a process just like the costly and onerous state capture
South Africans arming Russians??? Maybe he is talking about sausages.
WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT 🙄. "The ANC sells everything that doesn't belong to them, and the money goes straight into Chancellor House." It started with all of our oil reserves and hasn't stopped. And never will. 😢
I guess you don't read history books. Sections of government stealing from people is not a new thing. Are you aware of the many and different ways the National Party stole from the people during the Apartheid years? This is not something unique to the ANC, don't act as if it is. It is wrong when done by any ruling party and the National Party was a ruling party with no cheques and balances. Vat fokken Alles.
Those looking into the matter (probed) is also involved in the matter what a joke
we all had such high hopes for old Cyril, but he very soon just become like the rest of the ANC - corrupt and inept.
he is an embarrassement.
I still believe Mr Cyril will be the best primary school teacher that the country have ever seen.. Ag but well Mr president is not doing anything bad... I would rather say he is actually behind schedule, of what his elite brothers of this world in office want him to achieve!
The president doesn't need to set up an investigation commission costing about R50 million of taxpayers money because a simple phone call to the Admiral in charge of the SA Navy can provide all of the answers. Nothing happens in any navy in the world without the Admiral's knowledge n permission.
The ambassador apologized for his moronic behaviour. There, you happy now?
Stuff the dollar go with BRICS. A change is needed from the bullies deciding on who they attack and who gets sanctioned. Hope we stick to our guns here
I liked it when he laughed 😂😂, it cracks me up.
I've seen more backbone in a pool noodle! A murderer will kill you, a thief will steal from you, there's no telling what a liar is capable of!
every issue in south africa is being looked into
Keep on at Ramaphosa, John! He must not sleep at night!
When he said looks into or will look into ,he meant fokkol will be done and looking is the new way of saying im corrupt...did they find the weapons ?
This President is arrogant
So true.
"There is room at the top they are telling me, still - but first, you have to learn how to smile as you kill.: J. Lennon - Working Class Hero.
Yes Ceril...every thing is been looked into....same...same....since you became President...looked into 😎
Is funny he think is a game but he will learn they not playing with him
For how long is the matter looked into?🤔
That b.s. about who “owns” Simon's Town 😂 Why is the process to look into things always so slow. Everything needs an enquiry. “Minds” need to be applied, but these people are mindless! 😢
Avoiding the issue, obfuscation
There’s nothing patriotic about South Africa except for our rugby
The process and this matter will never come to fruition. "We are innocent" and the government always claim "😅
What weapons would S. Africa be supplying Russia? The US should disclose what weapons or munitions as there is little equipment compatibility between the South African defence industry and Russia, and no South African weapons have been found on the Ukrainian battlefield.
This is typical of US accusations with unrevealed evidence and without basis, and is intended to punish South Africa for having a naval exercise with Russia and China.
He who accuses must prove or at least provide some evidence that underpins the accusation, and the only evidence that the US is offering is the assurance of the US ambassador that he is willing to bet his life on it. If that is so reveal the evidence that forms the basis of your accusation rather than assertions backed only by careless meaningless bets that no-one is going to counter.
The intent is to put S. Africa on the defensive in order to reveal the reason for the ships presense in Simonstown. You see your neighbour engaged in what you see as suspicious activity so you concoct an accusation to put him on the defensive to reveal his intent. S. Africa as a sovereign state is entitled to mutual respect from the US.
A sensible take
You could be right in some of your assertions but for President to say he looking into it is also not rite. Minister of Defence should have reported directly to him the moment ship docked and reasons for it. That way President would have valid and plausible answers for both Parliament and press.
Denel Howitzer's were loaded onto that vessel.
They thought they will get away with it like with everything in this country.
Ramaphosa mr processing all the time this guy his tired
How can this guy laugh when his country is so screwed?
Always surprises me how limited in intellect the so-called privileged section of our population is. By the way for reasons unknown to me I happen to live in one of those areas totally unaffected by load shedding.
Is it perhaps because there is a strong ANC voting segment where you live? Enjoy it while it lasts because the rest of us are now called on to expose areas that don't get load-shedding for no good reason to make load-shedding fair and to protect the grid.
Don't know what this has to do with intellect of the public anyway. It has to do with the intellect of the government, those employed at Eskom, those who destroy the country's infrastructure rather than build it up, and those who blindly vote for parties that don't know how to run a province or country... although it's more on the shoulders of those who wouldn't vote for ANC and/or their crony parties but who don't vote at all. It's all about numbers. The election is decided on the votes cast and abstainings don't decrease ANCs pie at all.
we are looking !!
What percent of SA's foreign trade is with the US, Canada, Japan, and the European Union? I would estimate maybe 33%. That's a lot at risk
@nikitasaratov687,
Nikita, it sure is a lot at risk. So is the 1.1 billion dollars of US cash, not humanitarian food aid but financial aid given yearly for decades, and decades.
China is not going to provide anything except a noose around your necks.
They proved this today by calling the notes due from Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Sierra Leone.
All three nations are now in instant default. The IMF cannot help those nations because the terms of Chinese lending are not permitted to be disclosed.
Wonder why that might be?
In our long history of accords and trade friendship the United States has never tried or wanted to occupy South Africa.
Those defaulting nations I just spoke of,........they all have brand new Chinese owned ports in them.
I find it sad, worrisome, and a bit comical that so many, " smart ", leaders don't see this.
It seems the real definition of the Chinese Belt and Road Development Initiative is coming to light.
The belt is for around your neck, and the road is for the way in. Don't take my word for it.
As for the Lady R, the United States of America doesn't make callous, careless random statements about such events as what was loaded onto this ship, and taken to Russia.
We know conclusively what happened or we would not have commented.
Oh and the whole BRICS organization, notice anything about that roster of membership?
It made up of mostly, " Strongmen ", leaders that recognize they may or will have to carry on outside of international law in order to facilitate operations not meant to be seen in Sunshine.
Yet they're all sitting in the United Nations, and are largely signatories to things like maritime law, the respect of territorial waters, shipping certifications and bonding that are designed largely to protect the environment from catastrophe, let alone the workers themselves and the nations they represent.
Without law and order comes chaos, and devaluation. Does this develop the undeveloped nations?
Welcome to the third world, things are more difficult there. Be part of the solution or live in the problem.
Look on the maps, if chaos is blooming, the Russian regime is nearby.
Nigerian, and Malian mined gold is being ferreted out of those nations by tonnages and cleaned up for deposit in Hong Kong for Russia's funding of the genocidal brutality happening in Ukraine.
Russia is literally stealing preferable land masses, and mineral wealth, and the seaports from a sovereign nation,.....Ukraine.
How can that be ok with anyone?
Oh well Nikita, I chose to respond to your post here because you seemed quite aware, and have good sensibilities about you.
In reading so many comments here this evening, it seems more than the majority agree with your position.
I shall hope for the best for you, your family, and the South African people as your government pushes farther away towards the seas of uncertainty.
Peace be with you, thank you.
🇺🇸🇺🇦
Glory to God,
Victory for Ukraine,
Rise Free Nations!
Time is not on CRs side.
I only saw inability 😂
Respect Respect prie.South Africa
Rama has been allowing processes from day 1 in his presidency, not even at once he faced bull and hold it by its horns. We are in real leadership crises.
😂😂😂😂😂the laughter is too much
Of course because his now on the back foot caught out again!!!
President Ramaphosa: 1) the Lady R matter is being looked into 2) the Eskom crisis is being looked into 3) the state capture matter isbeing looked into 4) Life Esidimeni matter is being looked into 5) the SAA matter is being looked into 6) the GBV issue is being looked into ... THERE IS A LONG LIST OF MATTERS THAT ARE BEING LOOKED INTO! THE NEXT THING PRESIDENT RAMAPHOSA WILL SET UP A COMMITTEE, TASK TEAM OR COMMISSION OF INQUIRY!
Honestly Mr Ramaphosa you do not have leadership, this country is not being led ... we are simply drifting from day to day. Even at 80yrs I would have former president Mbeki any day to lead this country! Mr Ramaphosa is the biggest disappointment, he is a weak president ... in fact, it feels like SA 3:39 has no president. 3:39
Laugh it is not a joke just like Zuma
Why is our president not answering the question but rather throwing accusations around? 😮
Sad to see where SA is going....
Mampara of the week if not the year
Remember when Africans in Ukraine were discriminated against at the Ukraine-Poland Border.
Last week it was the “ with-drawl from the Rome Statute” this week our president does not know the purpose for which a Russian vessel was moored in Simon’s Town?
The fruits of CR's fruition are all rotten
"The matter is being looked into" and while we are looking into it we will be sweeping it under the carpet.
Is that what you are saying mister president?
It belongs to the people? And who represents the people.. You do.. The ANC does.. And for some inexplicable reason South Africans continue to allow you to do that.
Ya but except taxes and our money that don’t belong to the people it belong to government looting
Why do we allow this?
Take..... action
Steenhuusen is the best❤
Well well! if Simonstown is then as CR said belonging to the people of S.A., that means that the people of S.A. has the final say on the use of it. CR, you are not on top of your game. You are playing with words instead of answering the questions and be truthful to the people of S.A.
The US will never forget this act.
MPs should get out and stop sitting and Listening to Debates.
what a mampara of a president
Like you
@@mhlongobonga3572 yes you mampara..because I am president🤣
This is how to evade the question; it doesn't impress me at all. How disappointing. everything is being looked into.
Why was he laughing ? This is not a joke
1. Mr Steenhuisen, you need to be careful of how you ask questions because the slightest open door will be taken to avoid answering the question. However, i did not find your speech unpatriotic in the least. You were unfortunately a victim of gaslighting.
2. President Ramphosa, I can't understand why you had to launch in a whole speech focused on two words of Steenhuisen's speech just to get to the point that "an investigation is underway". You came off as extremely arrogant, and this is not appropriate behaviour for ANY president. To basically accuse Steenhuisen of being unpatriotic is absurd because he cares about possible sanctioning on South Africa by overseas countries because of this whole debacle of South Afric's pally pally relationship with Russia. Just because the axe has not yet fallen doesn't mean it never will.
The lady who laughed, laughed very inappropriately. I wonder if you would still have laughed had she not. Then again, just like Zuma, you often laugh at very serious questions, including anything on corruption, the Guptas, the ICC, etc.
I am very disappointed at your behaviour and performance Mr President. You need to seek the Lord and get perspective of you and your party's failings, the wisdom to know what to do to get this country right and the courage to do what is right.