Idk about dream but I would like to see a team-up between Barbara Gordon Batgirl and Starfire. Have them go save Nightwing. Having them play off each other would be neat.
I loved that Barbara reinvented herself as Oracle in the comics. That she had value despite her disability and probably saved more lives as Oracle than she ever did as Batgirl.
@@renatocorvaro6924Young Justice made its own canon on how she got her disability. Which means the Killing Joke’s version of events isn’t a fixed point for future Oracle origin stories.
@@bazzfromthebackground3696 DC just tried this in the comics (even down to the "Batgirls" title) and it didn't really work--mostly bc of the writing. (Apologies if you knew this. It's just too funny a coincidence not to comment on.)
Wonder Woman is weird for popularity. She is without a doubt the most iconic female superhero but for the LONGEST time, she was just known for that. You can argue characters like Supergirl, Batgirl, Lois Lane and Mary Jane were more popular because they were connected to more popular heroes like Batman, Superman and Spider-Man. It took till Wonder Woman’s own movie that it felt like she was starting to catch up to Batman and Superman
@@benevolentremnant2949 Disagree. She has an excellent rogues gallery. The main problem is that she doesn't get any love when it comes to solo adaptations and writers trying to reinvent the wheel with her in every comic book run.
@@benevolentremnant2949Wrong. Fans say this but don’t bother to read her comics where characters like Circe, Cheetah, Ares, Veronica Cale, and Dr. Psycho flourish such as Perez’s WW run, Jimenez’s run, Greg Rucka’s first WW run, and Gail Simone’s run with Genocide, Achilles, and more.
Another thing to also add is that DC and Warner Bros have this bad habit that superhero characters/stories in animation have to always be adapted in movie format (which doesn't always work). Personally I rather see them adapted into animated shows than films because in a TV show format you have more time to tell the story. Lastly, DC and Warner Bros need to make their animated content more mature because it doesn't have to always be either goofy or dark and edgy.
Execs (at least at DC) are so narrow-minded about what characters they can sell. If the movie is good and you market it well I don't see why any character can't sell a movie. Marvel has made legit hits out of D-list characters. If Venom can do well at the box office there's no reason why Batgirl can't.
Thats why its good that they got Gunn who out of the gate announced stuff like Creature Commandos, The Authority which many arent familiar with. Just by Batman assosiation Batgirl can sell but there are people with no faith like Zaslav who canned the movie for a write off.
My dream Batgirl Project would be an adaptation of the early Cassandra Cain comic run, with her losing her ability to fight in exchange for the ability to speak and making a deal with Lady Shiva to train her back up in exchange for a fight to the death a year later. Add in the revelation that Shiva is her mom in that mix, and I think it would be a very awesome story. Also on top of that, I think it would be cool to see an adapted version of "Bruce Wayne: Murderer/Fugitive" that focused on his relationship with Cassandra since the ultimate villain of that storyline was her father, David Cain, who partially was angry that Batman stole his daughter away.
"Unreleasible" is such an obvious lie now that some of the canceled projects have leaked online (like how was that krypto movie any worse than the average Scooby-Doo movie?). To destroy a movie for a tax write off then blame the creators is gross Great video as always!
I’ve loved Batgirl since I was four years old. The Batgirl: Year One series would be an amazing adaptation. I remember when they said that they canceled it and I was so bummed. Fantastic story. The fact that the artists drew Edward G. Robinson into the book blew my mind at the time. Barb was pitch perfect in that too. Definitely needs to be adapted.
I have been a Batgirl fan since Yvonne Craig’s version from the Batman reruns I watched after school in the 70’s. Loved her the Batman Family comic too. So I would totally be down for seeing a Batgirl animated and/or live action version. I think non-comic fans would know and get her.
Its difficult to judge when a spinoff or supporting character has reached a level of popularity that would allow them to stand on their own feet. But, we did recently get a Legion of Superheroes movie that was secretly a Supergirl movie, there were two separate projects called "Gotham Knights" that were about a bunch of characters dealing with the death of Batman, and we had a Stargirl show which I would think was impossible even a few years ago (mileage will vary on what people thought about them). So they are certainly willing to give more of these projects a shot. Maybe it would work...or maybe the cancelled live-action Batgirl movie was the closest we'll ever get to a potential adaptation.
Thank you for putting some shine on that Batgirl movie WB deleted so even the producers and directors couldn’t have it. Feel like it got easily dismissed and ignored by Flash movie WB was quick to emphasize after, like, they were SO unnecessarily aggressive in keeping it from being seen that I really want to see it now more now than before especially after the dumpster fire that was Flash they felt better about
Just a side note/reminder that Cassie Cain's Batgirl costume was originally what Helena was wearing as The Bat before Bruce returned to the No Man's Land.
I love Batgirl Year One. The art is so eye catching and satisfying to read. Her spunk is cool and not over-the-top or annoying. She EARNS her spot in the Bat-Family. She gets to meet Black Canary. And the start of Dick x Bab’s romance is the sprinkle on top.
Batgirl Year One is A+ material. Top notch. I just have to wonder: WTF happened to the quality at DC? "Batgirls" from Becky Cloonan and Michael Conrad is unreadable dreck.
Apparently the footage we saw in the Batman: The Brave and the Bold finale was pitch footage for that Batgirl: Year One adaptation. When the show was ending, they knew WB was asking for a CGI Batman show, but they didn't know how that show would look. So, they threw the footage in (with added narration voice over) as a joke sort of predicting the future.
The Batgirl: Year One miniseries is phenomenal and I recommend it to everyone. Fun art, great writing. And Babs is a great character. Sad we didn't get it in movie form. Edited to add that Cassandra Cain had been Batgirl for quite some time by the mid-aughts, so it makes sense why a Babs Batgirl movie might not have had a ton of traction then
@@dr4c0blade We technically did because the 2nd "Batgirl" series that started in 2008 only lasted 6 issues--not that I recommend that one. And Cass's origin was explored in the first Batgirl series (started in 2000), which was fantastic
@@benevolentremnant2949 Ah, sorry, misspoke - what I meant to say was if Cass was the more memorable Batgirl by then, why didn't we get a movie based on her?
@@dr4c0blade That would have been awesome, but getting _any_ Batgirl movie made is tough (as recent times have shown). Barbara has always had more name recognition. I'm just assuming that DC would have still been pushing Cass as Batgirl at that point, so a Barbara movie would have been an even tougher thing to get them to greenlight
@@dr4c0bladetbh babs was more popular as oracle at tht point. It wasn’t till the new 52 where she gain recognition and popularity while using the batgirl mantle
I'd kinda like to see something in the midpoint of the Batman Beyond timeline. Barbara's with the police, Bruce is getting older but not yet at the point of hanging up the cape and a supervillian copycat starts killing people for internet clout and they reluctantly team up again to bring them down.
Did you know Barbara/Batgirl once went on a date with Clark/Superman? She did. The first Superman comic I ever bought was Superman # 268, in 1973 (I'm old) entitled "A Wild Weekend in Washington". Bruce/Batman sets up Clark on a date with congresswoman Barbara Gordon. When Clark allows himself to be kidnapped by a villain called "Mr. J" ( No, not that one), Batgirl rushes to the rescue.
Batgirl has some pretty broad name recognition in the non-comics general public, especially after the live action movie being cancelled. I would love to see a solo Batgirl movie. I also want to see the live action movie, I have seen some pretty bad comics movies (Corman's Fantastic Four and Reb Brown's turns as Captain America come to mind) and it surely cannot be that bad. Also, I have seen the independent horror film Things more than once and survived.
I’d love a Batgirls movie where Barbara as Oracle recruits Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain to follow up her legacy. It would put Babs in a clear place of experience and authority while spotlighting the dichotomy of the Bat-family. Stephanie as the youthful ride-along inspired for justice, and Cass as the dark and brooding embodiment of vengeance, letting all the characters shine in the usual Bat-family archetypes without needing a direct Batman presence.
At that time, I didn't even know Wonder Woman had her own video until well after I'd seen "Crisis on Two Earths", "Justice League Frontier" and even "Green Lantern: First Light!" I'd seen all of those advertised but they didn't advertise Wonder Woman AT ALL!!
I always wondered what that show at the end of “Mitefall” was. Since “Beware the Batman” came out not long after, I just thought it was a teaser for that. Now I know the truth.
Wonder Woman has usually been high in name recognition but low in sales, especially circa the late 00's, so...yeah, I think it's a no-brainer that a Batgirl DTV movie would have done way better than the Wonder Woman movie did.
Never really gave Batgirl a chance so I don't know if that character can stand on its own. I am more of a fan of Barbara being Batgirl than Oracle. Oracle just feels like a step down for her.
I found Oracle a far more interesting character than Babs as Batgirl, based on the BG stuff I've read (admittedly not ALL of it, but a fair amount). The early Birds of Prey comics (before it became an ongoing title) were awesome. Babs and Dinah were a great team, not least because at that point they had both been allowed to age a bit and the stories played off all their experience.
My dream Batgirl project is an or8gin story of Cassandra Cain who is mentired by Bavs as she takes on her parents and Dr.Death and she dates Conner Kent!
I'd like to see Babs train Stephanie Brown to take over the mantle of Oracle. That way the bat-family women can be called Batgirl, Black Bat and Oracle instead of Batgirl, Batgirl and Batgirl.
aw man i'd love an animated show based off cass cain's solo run with art based of bill sienkiewicz's work, the way they draw her really amps up how much of a cryptid she really is and i know that bill sienkiewicz's lineart would probably be a nightmare to recreate in an animated SHOW with MULTIPLE episodes but a girl can dream !!
That particular Killing Joke is an example of someone with power making their fan fiction or head canon actual canon. I wanted to see the Cassandra Cain Batgirl origin story from the early 2000's told in animated form.
I really want something with Cassandra Cain Batgirl because she's my favorite Batgirl. I was pissed at Christina Hodson did to the character in Birds of Prey movie.
Many years ago I charted out a whole DC cinematic universe and spread across one particular year was Batgirl IV, Nightwing III and Batman VII which combined and told the stories from "The Killing Joke", "Death in the Family" and "A Lonely Place of Dying". I think something like that would be interesting.
I've said this somewhere before but regarding the infamous Killing Joke rooftop scene, interestingly I saw in a clip of an interview where Bruce Timm brings it up and mentions the music is meant to clue you in on the fact that it's a moment of two people making a mistake. I feel like the MAIN reason why people (mostly me, can't 100% say for everyone else) don't like the scene, or the idea of the romance in general, is because there is no clear confirmation for the viewer that the two characters made a mistake or are called out for it. The ONLY times I could even REMOTELY see it being taken as such is the aforementioned Bruce Timm's interview clip, and Batman mentioning to Wonder Woman in Justice League his first reason being "dating within the team always leads to disaster" then mentioning he's a rich kid with issues, LOTS of issues (then the typical "they'd use my loved one as a means to get to me" reason). Every other time I see it brought up, it feels like it comes across as a genuine romance that, at best, had a clean breakup back into being friends/coworker partners. No mention of anything being awkward or more distance caused between them or anything. Like, I came across a reddit post that went into detail that Barb mentioning the romance between her and Bruce in Beyond was ultimately a pointless inclusion because it doesn't really impact anything, especially any reasons for her to put up the cape and cowl. The cliffnotes she gives Terry of why she dropped being Batgirl don't really seem to hinge on anything in particular being the reason, not even the romance causing any amount of possible drift (I mean come on, it was a night of passion between a maybe-step-daughter and maybe-step-dad had Babs not broke up with Dick, that isn't everyone's kink), the only thing being a possible key moment that I could gleam from that specific canon being the flashback segment of Beyond's "Return of the Joker" movie regarding what happened to Robin/Tim. Otherwise yeah for the world building as a whole, it was ultimately a pointless...point, at least in my opinion.
I'm split on the idea of Batgirl being able to have her own solo adaptation (tv show or movie). It's not impossible, but I also feel the same way about a robin movie unless it's about Dick becoming Nightwing or something.
I feel like Motion Comics are to comic books as Regular Books are to audiobooks giving up a bit of your own personal touch for convenience and ease of understanding.
It's funny when you said "when think of a batgirl project being cancelled you probably think the movie" and i was instantly like nahhhhh i think of the canceled 60s spin off show she was gonna get now THAT is a tragedy to have missed out on cause it woulda been the first female lead superhero show since they also cancelled the 60s Wonder Woman show (that one was probably for the better cause holy shot that pilot episode).
As of posting this, stills have been released of this movie, and it can't be worse than the several string of bombs DC has been putting out. Solo Bat Family titles seem like solo X-Men titles, they're good to fine, but I don't expect them to do Wolverine numbers, and a Batman type character on Logan's level would be Nightwing. Hell, I want one so I can get a Batgirls type story as a sequel. That finale in Batman: The Brave and the Bold with Bat-Mite getting upset with seeing a Batgirl show was around 13 years ago, and "fans" act the same way now, but worse. Show was calling them out before it got worse.
I remember the "Wonder Woman movie sales caused the Batgirl one not to be made" discussions. Mostly the IRL ones since I wasn't online much back then. At the time, I thought "Why would you bet the future of any bat-project on anything not related to Batman? It should be the opposite". From what I remember, he was at near peak popularity. You could have dropped a plate of cat-food on the table, slapped a bat-symbol on it, and people would have licked the plate clean and immediately demanded more. At the same time, Wonder Woman was the "less liked girl one from the Justice League cartoon" or that "girl who spins to put her costume on from that really old TV show". Most people I knew thought she was boring and had no personality. But they thought that of everyone not on the Bat Family, Teen Titans, X-Men or with Spider at the front of their name. If they wanted to test the waters for for female superheroes Hawk Girl, Raven, Starfire or any Bat with two X chromozomes would have been a safer bet.
I actually liked Barbara's teaming up with Black Canary and the Huntress and thought it worked well. I think to give her something solo as Batgirl I'd love to see it placed in a time before the Killing Joke, otherwise (to me) it cheapens the impact of that great story.
So, it was late summer of 1989. I was lying in bed, in an upper story room in a B&B in London, UK, jetlagged as hell. It was 5 or 6 in the afternoon. I was awoken by the sound of two little girls playing outside. One of the British TV stations had been showing Adam West reruns. Batmania, 1989 edition was still rampant, as Michael Keaton, as Batman, was still in theatres. And the little girls were playing Batgirl. Problem, they both wanted to be Batgirl. One of them said to the other, "why don't we say there are two Batgirls?" Her friend agreed. As someone present at the Dawn of Time, 3 years earlier, I remembered Kathy and Betty Kane. I couldn't help but smile as these children, unknowingly, reminded me that Babs wasn't the first.
I loved Batgirl since the old Adam West Batman show. I was always excited to she her intro and I knew she would be in that episode. I want her on the big screen, but done right.
When the Batgirl movie got cancelled, I hoped someone would just leak it. When I heard the movie was “unwatchable" I PRAYED for someone to just leak it. The world needs an unreleased, terrible Batgirl film. We cannot be denied.
I'd like to see an adaptation of the Yvonne Craig Batgirl, as she battles some Craig-specific villains, like Louie the Lilac, Nora Clavicle, Lord Fogg, the Patience Phillips (Eartha Kitt) Catwoman, and the Siren
I think she could have the power to stand at her own on the screen. Maybe not for a lengthy series (although that would also a possibility), but I could very well imagine one or two animated films.
Both that DVD movie and the cancelled live action one would've been Batgirl Year One... what kinda curse is this why won't DC let us adapt Batgirl Year One 😭
What's up with the creeper? Can you pretty please 🥺 do a video explaining the creeper? Fallow up question what's up with punch line? I can read comics that often because I have to go to the store and buy whatever they have so is Punchline still around?
From what I gather, the Batgirl movie was only "unreleasable" because it had a budget of "just" $90 million, and the thinking was that any superhero movie released to theaters needed at least another hundred million dollars worth of visual spectacle.
On one hand I love motion comics because they can give voice actors and animators work, but on the other hand they almost always just come across as cheaply made and just fodder for the sake of having product out there.
The first real exposure I had to Batgirl was in the Batman AS. When I started reading comics, she was Oracle (around 2001ish). I find the "Batgirls" series you covered would be interesting, but might be too much for casual fans to explain why there are three Batgirls. As for her acceptance, the right project can get anyone over. Iron Man, pre-MCU, was probably less well-known than Batgirl.
I thought you were going to talk about the time when Dan Didio tried to fire Gail Simone because her Batgirl comic wasn't selling that well. Well, keyword here is "tried" because it created such a shitstorm that she was rehired a few days later (although that's when the Batgirl comic changed its creative team).
God, I love like 90% of the Bruce Timm Batman stuff, but the Batgirl/Batman ship I just can't. If feels too "I'm stuck in my batbelt...what are you doing Batstepdad?"
A political drama where Congresswoman Gordon's affair with her college-age page is revealed in the Press, after a showdown between Barbara and Photojournalist Vicki Vale, and Barbara creates an Oracle identity based in Metropolis because she can't go back to Gotham. The Oracle identity is basically a female Julian Assange. Meantime she misses the nighttime vigilantism...and Dick Grayson...
BIG FAN. I really enjoy listening to you because you have something to say. You have opinions and that is always interesting. Keep up this great work that you are doing, it really is appreciated by your fans.
Considering the most recent cancellation, it almost seems like the property is cursed. I agree I would love to see this latest "unreleasable" live-action version of Batgirl though.
Considering that WW as a property has slowed down to a near halt there is no harm in greenlighting an animated Batgirl: Year One film. They certainly had more opportunity back then. Now..😑
What is your dream Batgirl project?
do a video on new wonderwoman daughter trinity lizzie in wonderwoman800
A Babs Trilogy : Batgirl Yr 1, Oracle Yr 1 , Oracle & The Birds of Prey 🖖🏾
I want a stephanie brown movie that has her pregnancy and her relationship with Tim drake robin
Barbara Gordon, Congresswoman, Joins the Squad!
Idk about dream but I would like to see a team-up between Barbara Gordon Batgirl and Starfire. Have them go save Nightwing. Having them play off each other would be neat.
I loved that Barbara reinvented herself as Oracle in the comics. That she had value despite her disability and probably saved more lives as Oracle than she ever did as Batgirl.
@@renatocorvaro6924 It was canonized in death of the family
@@renatocorvaro6924 I do because so much changed for every character involved.
@@renatocorvaro6924Young Justice made its own canon on how she got her disability. Which means the Killing Joke’s version of events isn’t a fixed point for future Oracle origin stories.
@@renatocorvaro6924so villains can’t be villains cause they scary. Got it.
As the late Denny O Neil said, she was the "best role model in the Bat family, made lemonade out of the lemons life gave her"
I really want a show about Cassandra Cain and Stephanie brown with Barbara Gordon as Oracle
They could literally just call it Batgirls. It practically writes itself...
Which is why they probably won't do it.
@@bazzfromthebackground3696 DC just tried this in the comics (even down to the "Batgirls" title) and it didn't really work--mostly bc of the writing. (Apologies if you knew this. It's just too funny a coincidence not to comment on.)
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@@benevolentremnant2949the art in that series was not up to par either imo
I will never forgive birds of prey for what they did to Cassandra Kane
Wonder Woman is weird for popularity. She is without a doubt the most iconic female superhero but for the LONGEST time, she was just known for that. You can argue characters like Supergirl, Batgirl, Lois Lane and Mary Jane were more popular because they were connected to more popular heroes like Batman, Superman and Spider-Man. It took till Wonder Woman’s own movie that it felt like she was starting to catch up to Batman and Superman
Agreed. Her main problem is she doesn't have any good villains other than the Cheetah
@@benevolentremnant2949 Disagree. She has an excellent rogues gallery. The main problem is that she doesn't get any love when it comes to solo adaptations and writers trying to reinvent the wheel with her in every comic book run.
@@benevolentremnant2949Wrong. Fans say this but don’t bother to read her comics where characters like Circe, Cheetah, Ares, Veronica Cale, and Dr. Psycho flourish such as Perez’s WW run, Jimenez’s run, Greg Rucka’s first WW run, and Gail Simone’s run with Genocide, Achilles, and more.
Another thing to also add is that DC and Warner Bros have this bad habit that superhero characters/stories in animation have to always be adapted in movie format (which doesn't always work). Personally I rather see them adapted into animated shows than films because in a TV show format you have more time to tell the story. Lastly, DC and Warner Bros need to make their animated content more mature because it doesn't have to always be either goofy or dark and edgy.
Eeeeh, starfire gets more attention that Diana
Execs (at least at DC) are so narrow-minded about what characters they can sell. If the movie is good and you market it well I don't see why any character can't sell a movie. Marvel has made legit hits out of D-list characters. If Venom can do well at the box office there's no reason why Batgirl can't.
Thats why its good that they got Gunn who out of the gate announced stuff like Creature Commandos, The Authority which many arent familiar with. Just by Batman assosiation Batgirl can sell but there are people with no faith like Zaslav who canned the movie for a write off.
My dream Batgirl Project would be an adaptation of the early Cassandra Cain comic run, with her losing her ability to fight in exchange for the ability to speak and making a deal with Lady Shiva to train her back up in exchange for a fight to the death a year later. Add in the revelation that Shiva is her mom in that mix, and I think it would be a very awesome story.
Also on top of that, I think it would be cool to see an adapted version of "Bruce Wayne: Murderer/Fugitive" that focused on his relationship with Cassandra since the ultimate villain of that storyline was her father, David Cain, who partially was angry that Batman stole his daughter away.
I bet they could easily make a “DC secret origins” special if they think she can’t headline it alone but want to create a project for her
Wonder Woman only accepts one Oracle, and that's the Delphi one.
"Unreleasible" is such an obvious lie now that some of the canceled projects have leaked online (like how was that krypto movie any worse than the average Scooby-Doo movie?). To destroy a movie for a tax write off then blame the creators is gross
Great video as always!
Eyeball Paramount shelving Star Trek Prodigy for the same reason.
I’ve loved Batgirl since I was four years old. The Batgirl: Year One series would be an amazing adaptation. I remember when they said that they canceled it and I was so bummed. Fantastic story. The fact that the artists drew Edward G. Robinson into the book blew my mind at the time. Barb was pitch perfect in that too. Definitely needs to be adapted.
I would love to see the killing joke told from Barbara's perspective.
Considering the killing joke's track record in movies and doing it from her perspective I wouldn't put money into it
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That would probably look a lot like the first half of I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE without the revenge afterward 😆
No you would not lol
I have been a Batgirl fan since Yvonne Craig’s version from the Batman reruns I watched after school in the 70’s. Loved her the Batman Family comic too. So I would totally be down for seeing a Batgirl animated and/or live action version. I think non-comic fans would know and get her.
Its difficult to judge when a spinoff or supporting character has reached a level of popularity that would allow them to stand on their own feet. But, we did recently get a Legion of Superheroes movie that was secretly a Supergirl movie, there were two separate projects called "Gotham Knights" that were about a bunch of characters dealing with the death of Batman, and we had a Stargirl show which I would think was impossible even a few years ago (mileage will vary on what people thought about them). So they are certainly willing to give more of these projects a shot. Maybe it would work...or maybe the cancelled live-action Batgirl movie was the closest we'll ever get to a potential adaptation.
The chances would be high that it would be CW helming it and I don't want them anywhere near anything Batman after Batwoman DX
Thank you for putting some shine on that Batgirl movie WB deleted so even the producers and directors couldn’t have it. Feel like it got easily dismissed and ignored by Flash movie WB was quick to emphasize after, like, they were SO unnecessarily aggressive in keeping it from being seen that I really want to see it now more now than before especially after the dumpster fire that was Flash they felt better about
Just a side note/reminder that Cassie Cain's Batgirl costume was originally what Helena was wearing as The Bat before Bruce returned to the No Man's Land.
I love Batgirl Year One. The art is so eye catching and satisfying to read. Her spunk is cool and not over-the-top or annoying. She EARNS her spot in the Bat-Family. She gets to meet Black Canary. And the start of Dick x Bab’s romance is the sprinkle on top.
Batgirl Year One is A+ material. Top notch. I just have to wonder: WTF happened to the quality at DC? "Batgirls" from Becky Cloonan and Michael Conrad is unreadable dreck.
Apparently the footage we saw in the Batman: The Brave and the Bold finale was pitch footage for that Batgirl: Year One adaptation. When the show was ending, they knew WB was asking for a CGI Batman show, but they didn't know how that show would look. So, they threw the footage in (with added narration voice over) as a joke sort of predicting the future.
I would love a Cassandra Cain Batgirl film or maybe even one with all of them. Like in Batgirls.
The Batgirl: Year One miniseries is phenomenal and I recommend it to everyone. Fun art, great writing. And Babs is a great character. Sad we didn't get it in movie form. Edited to add that Cassandra Cain had been Batgirl for quite some time by the mid-aughts, so it makes sense why a Babs Batgirl movie might not have had a ton of traction then
Then why didn't we ever get a Cassandra Cain mini-series? That would have been cool, too!
@@dr4c0blade We technically did because the 2nd "Batgirl" series that started in 2008 only lasted 6 issues--not that I recommend that one. And Cass's origin was explored in the first Batgirl series (started in 2000), which was fantastic
@@benevolentremnant2949 Ah, sorry, misspoke - what I meant to say was if Cass was the more memorable Batgirl by then, why didn't we get a movie based on her?
@@dr4c0blade That would have been awesome, but getting _any_ Batgirl movie made is tough (as recent times have shown). Barbara has always had more name recognition. I'm just assuming that DC would have still been pushing Cass as Batgirl at that point, so a Barbara movie would have been an even tougher thing to get them to greenlight
@@dr4c0bladetbh babs was more popular as oracle at tht point. It wasn’t till the new 52 where she gain recognition and popularity while using the batgirl mantle
I'd kinda like to see something in the midpoint of the Batman Beyond timeline.
Barbara's with the police, Bruce is getting older but not yet at the point of hanging up the cape and a supervillian copycat starts killing people for internet clout and they reluctantly team up again to bring them down.
From the title I thought it meant wonder woman got batgirl cancelled in universe, I was like, what the hell did batgirl do haha
There's never been a more appropriate time to play Senator Palpatine saying
"Ironic"
Did you know Barbara/Batgirl once went on a date with Clark/Superman? She did.
The first Superman comic I ever bought was Superman # 268, in 1973 (I'm old) entitled "A Wild Weekend in Washington". Bruce/Batman sets up Clark on a date with congresswoman Barbara Gordon. When Clark allows himself to be kidnapped by a villain called "Mr. J" ( No, not that one), Batgirl rushes to the rescue.
It's a great story. And the way Bruce introduces the idea to Clark is so awkward that the page is seared into my mind.
@@benevolentremnant2949 I'm glad I'm not the only one who remembers that.
That Wonder Woman animated movie is one of my favorites, really wish we got that year one around that era of DC animated movies.
Batgirl has some pretty broad name recognition in the non-comics general public, especially after the live action movie being cancelled. I would love to see a solo Batgirl movie.
I also want to see the live action movie, I have seen some pretty bad comics movies (Corman's Fantastic Four and Reb Brown's turns as Captain America come to mind) and it surely cannot be that bad. Also, I have seen the independent horror film Things more than once and survived.
I like his Captain America. It w a s cheap but it had heart.
I’d love a Batgirls movie where Barbara as Oracle recruits Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain to follow up her legacy. It would put Babs in a clear place of experience and authority while spotlighting the dichotomy of the Bat-family. Stephanie as the youthful ride-along inspired for justice, and Cass as the dark and brooding embodiment of vengeance, letting all the characters shine in the usual Bat-family archetypes without needing a direct Batman presence.
At that time, I didn't even know Wonder Woman had her own video until well after I'd seen "Crisis on Two Earths", "Justice League Frontier" and even "Green Lantern: First Light!" I'd seen all of those advertised but they didn't advertise Wonder Woman AT ALL!!
I regret not seeing the Batgirl series that nearly was made in the 60s.
I always wondered what that show at the end of “Mitefall” was. Since “Beware the Batman” came out not long after, I just thought it was a teaser for that. Now I know the truth.
Wonder Woman has usually been high in name recognition but low in sales, especially circa the late 00's, so...yeah, I think it's a no-brainer that a Batgirl DTV movie would have done way better than the Wonder Woman movie did.
Am I the only one going crazy because those Berserk books on the shelf are in reverse order? Stupid OCD...
I want to see Barbara Gordon and Carrie Kelly do gymnastics in Live Action
WB also changed the title of the animated Supergirl movie to Batman/Superman: Apocalypse. Lauren Montgomery also directed that movie.
Never really gave Batgirl a chance so I don't know if that character can stand on its own. I am more of a fan of Barbara being Batgirl than Oracle. Oracle just feels like a step down for her.
I found Oracle a far more interesting character than Babs as Batgirl, based on the BG stuff I've read (admittedly not ALL of it, but a fair amount). The early Birds of Prey comics (before it became an ongoing title) were awesome. Babs and Dinah were a great team, not least because at that point they had both been allowed to age a bit and the stories played off all their experience.
Birds of Prey was lots of fun.
They actually adapted Batgirl year one into a motion comic it’s free on RUclips
My dream Batgirl project is an or8gin story of Cassandra Cain who is mentired by Bavs as she takes on her parents and Dr.Death and she dates Conner Kent!
I'd like to see Babs train Stephanie Brown to take over the mantle of Oracle. That way the bat-family women can be called Batgirl, Black Bat and Oracle instead of Batgirl, Batgirl and Batgirl.
DC hasn’t been doing so hot with me.
Is it fucked up that I’m glad I don’t have to see what they did to Babs?
aw man i'd love an animated show based off cass cain's solo run with art based of bill sienkiewicz's work, the way they draw her really amps up how much of a cryptid she really is and i know that bill sienkiewicz's lineart would probably be a nightmare to recreate in an animated SHOW with MULTIPLE episodes but a girl can dream !!
That particular Killing Joke is an example of someone with power making their fan fiction or head canon actual canon. I wanted to see the Cassandra Cain Batgirl origin story from the early 2000's told in animated form.
Those f*#king WB monsters ruined us all!!!!
I really want something with Cassandra Cain Batgirl because she's my favorite Batgirl.
I was pissed at Christina Hodson did to the character in Birds of Prey movie.
Batgirl: Year One is so damn good. I think of the "Triumph and Tragedy" line constantly.
Batgirl/Batman, the infamous ship that can never be unseen.
The goggles, they do nothing.
We got robbed of a live action killer moth.
My disappointment is immessurable and my day is ruined.
Many years ago I charted out a whole DC cinematic universe and spread across one particular year was Batgirl IV, Nightwing III and Batman VII which combined and told the stories from "The Killing Joke", "Death in the Family" and "A Lonely Place of Dying". I think something like that would be interesting.
I've said this somewhere before but regarding the infamous Killing Joke rooftop scene, interestingly I saw in a clip of an interview where Bruce Timm brings it up and mentions the music is meant to clue you in on the fact that it's a moment of two people making a mistake. I feel like the MAIN reason why people (mostly me, can't 100% say for everyone else) don't like the scene, or the idea of the romance in general, is because there is no clear confirmation for the viewer that the two characters made a mistake or are called out for it. The ONLY times I could even REMOTELY see it being taken as such is the aforementioned Bruce Timm's interview clip, and Batman mentioning to Wonder Woman in Justice League his first reason being "dating within the team always leads to disaster" then mentioning he's a rich kid with issues, LOTS of issues (then the typical "they'd use my loved one as a means to get to me" reason). Every other time I see it brought up, it feels like it comes across as a genuine romance that, at best, had a clean breakup back into being friends/coworker partners. No mention of anything being awkward or more distance caused between them or anything.
Like, I came across a reddit post that went into detail that Barb mentioning the romance between her and Bruce in Beyond was ultimately a pointless inclusion because it doesn't really impact anything, especially any reasons for her to put up the cape and cowl. The cliffnotes she gives Terry of why she dropped being Batgirl don't really seem to hinge on anything in particular being the reason, not even the romance causing any amount of possible drift (I mean come on, it was a night of passion between a maybe-step-daughter and maybe-step-dad had Babs not broke up with Dick, that isn't everyone's kink), the only thing being a possible key moment that I could gleam from that specific canon being the flashback segment of Beyond's "Return of the Joker" movie regarding what happened to Robin/Tim. Otherwise yeah for the world building as a whole, it was ultimately a pointless...point, at least in my opinion.
08:15, Yeah.... Bruce Timm in a nutshell.😂
I'm split on the idea of Batgirl being able to have her own solo adaptation (tv show or movie). It's not impossible, but I also feel the same way about a robin movie unless it's about Dick becoming Nightwing or something.
I'd prefer for any sort of Batgirl adaptation to focus on Cass. I like Babs as Batgirl, but I feel like she's so much more interesting as Oracle.
I WANT BIRDS OF PREY! I Want Batgirl & Supergirl Vs Harley And Poison Ivy!
Did Shash ever talked about that fan made live action short for Stephanie Brown?
That one image from the batgirl movie made me think she was a zombie. Christ I wonder how bad it was.
I feel like Motion Comics are to comic books as Regular Books are to audiobooks giving up a bit of your own personal touch for convenience and ease of understanding.
It's funny when you said "when think of a batgirl project being cancelled you probably think the movie" and i was instantly like nahhhhh i think of the canceled 60s spin off show she was gonna get now THAT is a tragedy to have missed out on cause it woulda been the first female lead superhero show since they also cancelled the 60s Wonder Woman show (that one was probably for the better cause holy shot that pilot episode).
As of posting this, stills have been released of this movie, and it can't be worse than the several string of bombs DC has been putting out.
Solo Bat Family titles seem like solo X-Men titles, they're good to fine, but I don't expect them to do Wolverine numbers, and a Batman type character on Logan's level would be Nightwing. Hell, I want one so I can get a Batgirls type story as a sequel.
That finale in Batman: The Brave and the Bold with Bat-Mite getting upset with seeing a Batgirl show was around 13 years ago, and "fans" act the same way now, but worse. Show was calling them out before it got worse.
That scene, where CGI Batgirl pounces on Firefly, where is it from? Looks really cool.
Was Batgirl Year One the comic that tried to retcon the retcon of Barbra not being Jim’s biological daughter? Or am I thinking of another one?
Wanted to let you know that because of your video I've gone to the DC app and downloaded the Batgirl Yr 1 and Robin Yr 1. They're great!
I remember the "Wonder Woman movie sales caused the Batgirl one not to be made" discussions. Mostly the IRL ones since I wasn't online much back then.
At the time, I thought "Why would you bet the future of any bat-project on anything not related to Batman? It should be the opposite". From what I remember, he was at near peak popularity. You could have dropped a plate of cat-food on the table, slapped a bat-symbol on it, and people would have licked the plate clean and immediately demanded more. At the same time, Wonder Woman was the "less liked girl one from the Justice League cartoon" or that "girl who spins to put her costume on from that really old TV show". Most people I knew thought she was boring and had no personality. But they thought that of everyone not on the Bat Family, Teen Titans, X-Men or with Spider at the front of their name.
If they wanted to test the waters for for female superheroes Hawk Girl, Raven, Starfire or any Bat with two X chromozomes would have been a safer bet.
I actually liked Barbara's teaming up with Black Canary and the Huntress and thought it worked well. I think to give her something solo as Batgirl I'd love to see it placed in a time before the Killing Joke, otherwise (to me) it cheapens the impact of that great story.
I always wanted them to do a Batgirl/Supergirl/Wonder Girl vs Huntress/Power Girl/Fury story.
So, it was late summer of 1989. I was lying in bed, in an upper story room in a B&B in London, UK, jetlagged as hell. It was 5 or 6 in the afternoon. I was awoken by the sound of two little girls playing outside. One of the British TV stations had been showing Adam West reruns. Batmania, 1989 edition was still rampant, as Michael Keaton, as Batman, was still in theatres. And the little girls were playing Batgirl. Problem, they both wanted to be Batgirl. One of them said to the other, "why don't we say there are two Batgirls?" Her friend agreed.
As someone present at the Dawn of Time, 3 years earlier, I remembered Kathy and Betty Kane. I couldn't help but smile as these children, unknowingly, reminded me that Babs wasn't the first.
If Batgirl Year One were a 3rd film in a trilogy of "year ones" with Robin Year One and Batman Year One before it, I'd have been interested
I loved Batgirl since the old Adam West Batman show. I was always excited to she her intro and I knew she would be in that episode. I want her on the big screen, but done right.
Has it ever, at least once, a ball or gala on Gotham, ever, not gotten raided? Has it ever?
I wonder why they couldn't just show the Beware the Batman teaser in BTBATB finale.
Beware probably wasn't even close to finished at the time. All they knew is that a CGI Batman show was coming out.
When the Batgirl movie got cancelled, I hoped someone would just leak it.
When I heard the movie was “unwatchable" I PRAYED for someone to just leak it.
The world needs an unreleased, terrible Batgirl film. We cannot be denied.
I'd like to see an adaptation of the Yvonne Craig Batgirl, as she battles some Craig-specific villains, like Louie the Lilac, Nora Clavicle, Lord Fogg, the Patience Phillips (Eartha Kitt) Catwoman, and the Siren
I just realize that the Adam west era batgirl color scheme is like the newer style
I've said it before but the studio that released the Snydershite doesn't get to call anything unreleasable!
I'd love to see a Batman 66 DC Showcase Batgirl short would be fun to see.
I think she could have the power to stand at her own on the screen. Maybe not for a lengthy series (although that would also a possibility), but I could very well imagine one or two animated films.
Both that DVD movie and the cancelled live action one would've been Batgirl Year One... what kinda curse is this why won't DC let us adapt Batgirl Year One 😭
What's up with the creeper? Can you pretty please 🥺 do a video explaining the creeper?
Fallow up question what's up with punch line? I can read comics that often because I have to go to the store and buy whatever they have so is Punchline still around?
Batman Beyond 2: Gotham Forever (Kevin Conroy age 66)
Batgirl actually almost had a spinoff in the 60s. There is an unaired pilot on RUclips.
It makes you *Wonder* what would happen now. XD
It was a funny bait and switch when I realised you meant the title literally. And not like the modern way we use “cancel”
From what I gather, the Batgirl movie was only "unreleasable" because it had a budget of "just" $90 million, and the thinking was that any superhero movie released to theaters needed at least another hundred million dollars worth of visual spectacle.
On one hand I love motion comics because they can give voice actors and animators work, but on the other hand they almost always just come across as cheaply made and just fodder for the sake of having product out there.
I would appreciate better a Batgirl, and Nightwing movie. I think that would draw more attention, and they make an awesome team.
The first real exposure I had to Batgirl was in the Batman AS. When I started reading comics, she was Oracle (around 2001ish).
I find the "Batgirls" series you covered would be interesting, but might be too much for casual fans to explain why there are three Batgirls.
As for her acceptance, the right project can get anyone over. Iron Man, pre-MCU, was probably less well-known than Batgirl.
Now that Warner Brothers have cast aside the Batgirl film as a tax write-off, they should just go ahead and release it on streaming.
I thought you were going to talk about the time when Dan Didio tried to fire Gail Simone because her Batgirl comic wasn't selling that well. Well, keyword here is "tried" because it created such a shitstorm that she was rehired a few days later (although that's when the Batgirl comic changed its creative team).
I mean if The Killing Joke got released… what the heck could be in the 2022 movie?
Before the video ended I bought both Batgirl Year One deluxe digital edition & the Motion comic. 😅
Bette Kane, Bat (hyphen) girl Year One. "If I dress just like Robin he won't be able to resist me!!"
The 2009 motion comic (shown in YT) is pretty darn good, so, yes.
God, I love like 90% of the Bruce Timm Batman stuff, but the Batgirl/Batman ship I just can't.
If feels too "I'm stuck in my batbelt...what are you doing Batstepdad?"
I am sure there's a video of the canned Batgirl movie. Maybe it will come out like the CBS Justice League.
A political drama where Congresswoman Gordon's affair with her college-age page is revealed in the Press, after a showdown between Barbara and Photojournalist Vicki Vale, and Barbara creates an Oracle identity based in Metropolis because she can't go back to Gotham. The Oracle identity is basically a female Julian Assange. Meantime she misses the nighttime vigilantism...and Dick Grayson...
BIG FAN. I really enjoy listening to you because you have something to say. You have opinions and that is always interesting. Keep up this great work that you are doing, it really is appreciated by your fans.
Quiet Storm: Cassandra Cain -Batgirl
Considering the most recent cancellation, it almost seems like the property is cursed. I agree I would love to see this latest "unreleasable" live-action version of Batgirl though.
NGL, I was hoping Gunn would announce a Supergirl/Batgirl movie. I would love to see the two characters on screen together.
A film being “unreleasable” has never stopped DC from releasing a movie before…
Ironically she had a cancelled live action series in the 60's too. The pilot is on RUclips.
Considering that WW as a property has slowed down to a near halt there is no harm in greenlighting an animated Batgirl: Year One film. They certainly had more opportunity back then. Now..😑