The idea that the Leica M6 is "more affordable" back then is not true. M6 in 1984: $1,695 Adjusted for inflation: $4,842 in 2022 Accounting for the better components made of brass and today's labor cost: the MSRP of $5,295 is only reasonable.
The Leica M6 is available globally at Leica Stores, the Leica Online Store and authorized dealers starting November 3, 2022. The retail price will be $5,295. In Europe the retail price will be €5,050.00 including VAT.
All these comments about it being an MP with M6 add-ons. It's not. It's an M6 copy with all new internals, and it only shares the MP finder with the MP. The electronics for the meter are all-new and more future-proof as well. The sources for the MP/M-A parts were not reliable, so Leica has moved to this new version of the M6 platform, which will allow faster production of these cameras that what we're used to with the MP/M-A. Sources: Jono Slack's review of the new 35mm Steel Rim where he also reviews the M6, which was published on Leica Forum, and Andrea Pacella, Leica's Director of Global Marketing & Communication, who was interviewed by Hugh Brownstone here on RUclips published a few days ago.
You miss heard the conversation, Leica has been having issues with supply-chain the last few years, Andrea mentioned this and so leica R&D had to requalify new manufactuers that produce the parts for their cameras and take some manufacturing in-house to ramp up production. Andrea said that the new M6 is different from the OLD M6 but never mentioned being different to the current line of leica film cameras.
@@brundontfreeze000 Read Jono's remarks/replies further down in his 35mm Steel Rim review on Leica Forum. He was told by Leica that the new M6 internals are all new - "basically an entirely new camera" to quote. It wouldn't be an entirely new camera if it were an MP in M6 dress. Jono specifically says he was told both the electronics for the meter and the mechanical internal parts were different from the MP.
@@brundontfreeze000 Here is one of Jono's posts from the thread I'm referencing: "As I understand it . . the problem Leica have making the MP (and the M-A to a lesser extent) is that many of the parts were made by suppliers who no longer exist, so creating another camera with the same internals would be pretty stupid. So the M6 is substantially different - I guess Leica are producing the printed circuit boards themselves in Portugal, but I don't know for sure. I would have thought a more likely (and better) solution would be if they now changed the MP a little to take advantage of the modern supply chain for the M6. . . . but I don't know this. What I do know is that they shouldn't have too much trouble producing the M6 in substantial numbers and then being able to supply spares for many years to come."
@@settingofthesuns Taking " i guess" and "As I understand" as concrete examples is foolish. Andrea who actuall works for the company stated plain and simple, supply-chain issues needed to be fixed and it was solved by finding new macnufacturing resources, and in-house production. As someone who works in manufacturing and in R&D: it truly would be VERY stupid if you just dump everything and start a-new, it would be costly. It would be smarter to use same internals, but invest in new tooling for just top plates. It even uses the same paint from the Leica M11!
@@brundontfreeze000 I encourage you to join the conversation at Leica Forum and let Jono know your thoughts. I only copy/pasted one response - there were other very clear follow-up comments he made throughout the thread.
Even though the new Leica M6 is over 5 grand, this is good news for every photographer because other companies will start debating on making new film cameras. Sure, it might not happen or if it does it'll take a long time before camera companies figure out a way to make film cameras with modern lens mounts. But, the idea that one company is willing to make a new film camera in 2022 is exciting. I really hope Nikon, Pentax, or Voigtlander see the potential of releasing new cameras.
Rumours had been out long time and if you haven’t been living under a rock the last year this came as no surprise. Only question was if it’s limited or not. The retro hype is booming and Leica wants its share in that. Fair enough. It’s a pity they don’t bring anything new to the table. It’s a redressed MP with a lot of marketing hype. Economic risks are limited for Leica, Waiting List already there. I think they have done everything right and as long as the still repair my old film cameras I am a happy dude.
Exciting about your zine coming out soon (I'd already preordered). But, obviously also exciting about the M6 coming back from the dead. I have an M6 and an MP. The MP feels better quality, but the M6 is the one I reach for as it just has that history attached to it. I'm not sure if I would buy a new M6, but as always when thinking about Leica, it's tempting...
@@nicolasfilsdejean I can't imagine there is much difference at all between a new MP and a new M6, mostly just cosmetics. I think the packaging is different with the M6 than the MP. The new MP has that bloated rubbish that they use for the digital cameras. I much prefer the simple box of the old M6. So, the main differences are 'red dot' vs 'no red dot' and a little extra storage space at home! ;)
Robin, remember we talked about re-introducing a film camera? Leica had the same idea as I had and now it should pave the path for Cosina or another manufacturer to produce a simple and cheaper film camera. David Hancock just posted a video that Kodak has difficulties to meet the demand for film so, it is all great news for film photography!
If it is an MP with M6 skin, then why complain about the price- in fact the MP is significantly more than the M6. The MP is about 8200cdn/6200usd w/o taxes some states have no sales tax others do.
I’m disappointed, it’s only the MP in a new dress. But it makes money, and Leica knows how to make money. I expect a cheap version of the MP, and now it’s just a remake. I will keep my MP and of course my M2 from the year of my birth. But again, very nice short video. Auf Wiedersehen 👋
It’s basically an M6 refresh model but others have said what is most beneficial about this release: more companies will consider film camera releases and probably easier access to repairs for older M6 cameras. On top of this, down the line more 35mm film options and cheaper prices. I agree it’s basically an MP with the M6 look. I too have a (silver) MP and don’t plan to upgrade.
@@leeguanxue yes Leica is NEVER cheap but they announced a „cheaper“ version of the MP 1 1/2 years ago. Leica always offer a cheaper version of many models, sometimes with a basic lens.
@@settingofthesuns in my mind it is an MP, and there was no envelope work, just some programming work of the cnc machine to cut the new cover. But I’m really interesting in your thoughts
My 1985 M6 remains my favorite (actually, my ONLY) film camera. I think it's great that they are "reviving" it. If my M6 had ever been lost/stolen/whatever, I would not have replaced it with an MP but I would replace it with a 'new' M6! Way to go, LEICA!!
Leica slaps a newly designed top plate on the same MP that has been in production for 20 years, adds a red dot and the M6 engraving and everyone loses their shit. This new camera is an MP variant.
Black MPs are black lacquer. The M6 is black chrome like the M-A. The internals of the M6 are modular like the old M6 M4/P/4-2and M7. The MP and M-A have individual serviceable parts like the M2/3 and older Barnack style Leicas
@@ofeykalakar1 Dude, this new "M6" is 85% the parts and manufacturing of the MP. Same rangefinder, same viewfinder, same shutter, same shutter curtain, same take-up spool, same film advance mechanics, same light meter and so on. Listen to the interview Leica's head of global marketing did with Hugh from Three Blind Men and an elephant. He stated in the interview that these are variations of the same camera. It'll be the same machines manufacturing the parts, the same technicians assembling them - at the same glacial speed Leica is putting out MPs and MAs in homeopathic amounts each year. The hyperbole of "This changes everything!" is utter BS. It's just another, slightly cheaper cosmetic variant of the existing MP.
As far as people saying they can get a newly painted camera - well, it’s not that long ago that people were paying a lot more for special edition “weathered” looking versions.
@@arkphotog Leica does not care if they can sell more MPs - they already have way more orders for MPs than they can satisfy with production - the wait list is months to years. This move was not about pushing more film cameras through production into the market. This is about marketing for the Leica brand, not a specific Leica product. It's brand marketing. And quite effective because everyone is eating up the BS message that Leica is putting out with the help of creatives like Joe Greer. "It changes everything!". The M6 as a product brand has become stronger than the MP as a product brand. The M6 design language with the red dot has caught up with the MP as a status symbol and brand ambassador. That is the ONLY reason this new MP variant now exists.
I am not sure that Leica is a big money making company despite their very costly cameras. I believe that several times LEICA has come close to bankruptcy but survived. I think so. Thank you. RS
@@deantaylor1512 it’s not the camera who makes the photograph, but the film, lens and photographer. Camera for film has not much impact, so 5050 euro for a new M6 is overpriced !!!
@Dean Taylor : The Nikon F3/T is my LEICA antidote.This camera will do it for me photographing with film and with Nikon and Zeiss Distagon/Planar/Sonnar glass. And if I want autofocus, I get the Nikon F4 out or the best film SLR the Nikon F6. All three are second hand camera’s, so recycle in stead of buying new film camera’s.
The idea that the Leica M6 is "more affordable" back then is not true.
M6 in 1984: $1,695
Adjusted for inflation: $4,842 in 2022
Accounting for the better components made of brass and today's labor cost:
the MSRP of $5,295 is only reasonable.
I think he was referring to 2017 when he bought it. Probably for ~1000 usd
That's a really good point.
I think the more important question here is what was the leica that you sold to buy the m6
The Leica M6 is available globally at Leica Stores, the Leica Online Store and authorized dealers starting November 3, 2022.
The retail price will be $5,295.
In Europe the retail price will be €5,050.00 including VAT.
Hello, Is it not based of the same platform as the MP?? I mean, apart from the re andwind lever and the logo ??
Haaaaaaa
All these comments about it being an MP with M6 add-ons. It's not. It's an M6 copy with all new internals, and it only shares the MP finder with the MP. The electronics for the meter are all-new and more future-proof as well. The sources for the MP/M-A parts were not reliable, so Leica has moved to this new version of the M6 platform, which will allow faster production of these cameras that what we're used to with the MP/M-A. Sources: Jono Slack's review of the new 35mm Steel Rim where he also reviews the M6, which was published on Leica Forum, and Andrea Pacella, Leica's Director of Global Marketing & Communication, who was interviewed by Hugh Brownstone here on RUclips published a few days ago.
You miss heard the conversation, Leica has been having issues with supply-chain the last few years, Andrea mentioned this and so leica R&D had to requalify new manufactuers that produce the parts for their cameras and take some manufacturing in-house to ramp up production. Andrea said that the new M6 is different from the OLD M6 but never mentioned being different to the current line of leica film cameras.
@@brundontfreeze000 Read Jono's remarks/replies further down in his 35mm Steel Rim review on Leica Forum. He was told by Leica that the new M6 internals are all new - "basically an entirely new camera" to quote. It wouldn't be an entirely new camera if it were an MP in M6 dress. Jono specifically says he was told both the electronics for the meter and the mechanical internal parts were different from the MP.
@@brundontfreeze000 Here is one of Jono's posts from the thread I'm referencing: "As I understand it . . the problem Leica have making the MP (and the M-A to a lesser extent) is that many of the parts were made by suppliers who no longer exist, so creating another camera with the same internals would be pretty stupid.
So the M6 is substantially different - I guess Leica are producing the printed circuit boards themselves in Portugal, but I don't know for sure.
I would have thought a more likely (and better) solution would be if they now changed the MP a little to take advantage of the modern supply chain for the M6. . . . but I don't know this. What I do know is that they shouldn't have too much trouble producing the M6 in substantial numbers and then being able to supply spares for many years to come."
@@settingofthesuns Taking " i guess" and "As I understand" as concrete examples is foolish. Andrea who actuall works for the company stated plain and simple, supply-chain issues needed to be fixed and it was solved by finding new macnufacturing resources, and in-house production. As someone who works in manufacturing and in R&D: it truly would be VERY stupid if you just dump everything and start a-new, it would be costly. It would be smarter to use same internals, but invest in new tooling for just top plates. It even uses the same paint from the Leica M11!
@@brundontfreeze000 I encourage you to join the conversation at Leica Forum and let Jono know your thoughts. I only copy/pasted one response - there were other very clear follow-up comments he made throughout the thread.
Leica listened to the market and made a smart move. This will empower Leica even more.
I think a good business is to bring back a high end point & shot like Contax T3.
same here
Even though the new Leica M6 is over 5 grand, this is good news for every photographer because other companies will start debating on making new film cameras.
Sure, it might not happen or if it does it'll take a long time before camera companies figure out a way to make film cameras with modern lens mounts. But, the idea that one company is willing to make a new film camera in 2022 is exciting. I really hope Nikon, Pentax, or Voigtlander see the potential of releasing new cameras.
Rumours had been out long time and if you haven’t been living under a rock the last year this came as no surprise. Only question was if it’s limited or not. The retro hype is booming and Leica wants its share in that. Fair enough.
It’s a pity they don’t bring anything new to the table. It’s a redressed MP with a lot of marketing hype.
Economic risks are limited for Leica, Waiting List already there. I think they have done everything right and as long as the still repair my old film cameras I am a happy dude.
We just need other vendors to start producing film cameras.
Exciting about your zine coming out soon (I'd already preordered). But, obviously also exciting about the M6 coming back from the dead. I have an M6 and an MP. The MP feels better quality, but the M6 is the one I reach for as it just has that history attached to it. I'm not sure if I would buy a new M6, but as always when thinking about Leica, it's tempting...
Yes I agree, the M6 has a lot of history attached to it...but the new one??? and what's the difference with an MP??
@@nicolasfilsdejean I can't imagine there is much difference at all between a new MP and a new M6, mostly just cosmetics. I think the packaging is different with the M6 than the MP. The new MP has that bloated rubbish that they use for the digital cameras. I much prefer the simple box of the old M6. So, the main differences are 'red dot' vs 'no red dot' and a little extra storage space at home! ;)
I prefer my Leica mp !😊
Bring back the Xpan pleeeease
Robin, remember we talked about re-introducing a film camera? Leica had the same idea as I had and now it should pave the path for Cosina or another manufacturer to produce a simple and cheaper film camera. David Hancock just posted a video that Kodak has difficulties to meet the demand for film so, it is all great news for film photography!
Its a Leica MP with M6 winder. Leica trying to cash in on the film craze. I dont blame them.
If it is an MP with M6 skin, then why complain about the price- in fact the MP is significantly more than the M6. The MP is about 8200cdn/6200usd w/o taxes some states have no sales tax others do.
I’m disappointed, it’s only the MP in a new dress. But it makes money, and Leica knows how to make money.
I expect a cheap version of the MP, and now it’s just a remake. I will keep my MP and of course my M2 from the year of my birth.
But again, very nice short video. Auf Wiedersehen 👋
It’s basically an M6 refresh model but others have said what is most beneficial about this release: more companies will consider film camera releases and probably easier access to repairs for older M6 cameras. On top of this, down the line more 35mm film options and cheaper prices. I agree it’s basically an MP with the M6 look. I too have a (silver) MP and don’t plan to upgrade.
It's not a dressed up MP. See my comment further up.
Leica and cheap doesnt appear in a sentence often together. All the more you should know this especially since you own a MP
@@leeguanxue yes Leica is NEVER cheap but they announced a „cheaper“ version of the MP 1 1/2 years ago. Leica always offer a cheaper version of many models, sometimes with a basic lens.
@@settingofthesuns in my mind it is an MP, and there was no envelope work, just some programming work of the cnc machine to cut the new cover. But I’m really interesting in your thoughts
Did you ordered one? 😃
I just ordered your zine. Can’t wait!
My 1985 M6 remains my favorite (actually, my ONLY) film camera. I think it's great that they are "reviving" it. If my M6 had ever been lost/stolen/whatever, I would not have replaced it with an MP but I would replace it with a 'new' M6! Way to go, LEICA!!
Leica slaps a newly designed top plate on the same MP that has been in production for 20 years, adds a red dot and the M6 engraving and everyone loses their shit. This new camera is an MP variant.
Black MPs are black lacquer. The M6 is black chrome like the M-A. The internals of the M6 are modular like the old M6 M4/P/4-2and M7. The MP and M-A have individual serviceable parts like the M2/3 and older Barnack style Leicas
@@ofeykalakar1 nah re-issue m6 is matte black paint, not black chrome.
@@ofeykalakar1 Dude, this new "M6" is 85% the parts and manufacturing of the MP. Same rangefinder, same viewfinder, same shutter, same shutter curtain, same take-up spool, same film advance mechanics, same light meter and so on.
Listen to the interview Leica's head of global marketing did with Hugh from Three Blind Men and an elephant. He stated in the interview that these are variations of the same camera. It'll be the same machines manufacturing the parts, the same technicians assembling them - at the same glacial speed Leica is putting out MPs and MAs in homeopathic amounts each year.
The hyperbole of "This changes everything!" is utter BS. It's just another, slightly cheaper cosmetic variant of the existing MP.
As far as people saying they can get a newly painted camera - well, it’s not that long ago that people were paying a lot more for special edition “weathered” looking versions.
@@arkphotog Leica does not care if they can sell more MPs - they already have way more orders for MPs than they can satisfy with production - the wait list is months to years. This move was not about pushing more film cameras through production into the market. This is about marketing for the Leica brand, not a specific Leica product. It's brand marketing. And quite effective because everyone is eating up the BS message that Leica is putting out with the help of creatives like Joe Greer. "It changes everything!".
The M6 as a product brand has become stronger than the MP as a product brand. The M6 design language with the red dot has caught up with the MP as a status symbol and brand ambassador. That is the ONLY reason this new MP variant now exists.
Glad to see the M6 back in production. If I did not already have an M6, I would buy the new one.
Buy a mp same price and better
I'll rather have Leica do this instead of putting their name on Chinese smartphones.
he says m6 wont go up in price and used prices have increased again lol
Leica is milking the huge popularity of the M6.
I'll wait for new Bessa R
Leica is laughing all the way to the bank
I am not sure that Leica is a big money making company despite their very costly cameras. I believe that several times LEICA has come close to bankruptcy but survived. I think so. Thank you. RS
And what if they are? They are entitled, given their history.
@@gchristopherklug I don’t blame them at all for milking the sheep and riding the wave of film photography.
You mean the photographers that actually make money on their photos lol
@@michaelacedeno Some make money, of course, but most shoot for personal reasons. Those are who are most likely to buy a camera like this.
It's an MP with an engraved M6 top cover 🤣
Overprices, overhyped, under performing. Other systems like the Nikon F3 have a better price/performance ratio …
F3 .. a completely different animal…
@@deantaylor1512 it’s not the camera who makes the photograph, but the film, lens and photographer. Camera for film has not much impact, so 5050 euro for a new M6 is overpriced !!!
@@alberte58 boring 😴😴😴😴
@Dean Taylor : The Nikon F3/T is my LEICA antidote.This camera will do it for me photographing with film and with Nikon and Zeiss Distagon/Planar/Sonnar glass. And if I want autofocus, I get the Nikon F4 out or the best film SLR the Nikon F6. All three are second hand camera’s, so recycle in stead of buying new film camera’s.
@@deantaylor1512 truth hurts…!
Leica reinventing the wheel. Great business strategy.
Uninspiring, pompous, and overpriced.
Overpriced maybe, but they are only ones still making a new 35mm film camera. I can't afford it, but I applaud them.