I would have raised pre-flop. I don't get ppl who slow play AA and KK. It makes sense if the table is super nitty, but when you have 4 players with you in on the flop? Someone is going to catch something better than your pair. Raise pre-flop to get the dead wood out. You want to limit freeloaders..
Eric is the type of guy that would rather make a million bad calls than get bluffed once. Any "thinking" that Eric does on the river is only going to end at "he's probably trying to bluff me." followed by a call.
I'm a simple man. I see EP tilting, and I click the vid! This is the man that made me root for Phil Helmuth. For that, I will forever root against him.
I agree with Eric. He is "so bad." What a gift he is to the high stakes poker community. He has paid off most of their mortgages and will continue to do so for decades to come. Calling him a fish would be insulting to fish.
I definitely made the mistake of not thinking things through and just quick calling a large bet this weekend. Just another thing that even seasoned playees can forget to do in the moment
premium hands like Eric had is very vulnerable in a multiway pot such as AQ AK, those hands either win small or lose big. Best strategy is to isolate pre flop for protection
I'm not even 20 seconds into this and I'm already raising alarms. No raise with kings, multiway? For that alone should he lose this to something stupid, it's his fault.
He slow played preflop, which is just an error, this is a 3-bet pure, you never need to flat kings here. Aces, maybe once in a zillion years, to protect your flatting range if you have some ape in the blinds, but even then, the UTG raiser's uncapped range protects your capped one, so I would always 3-bet KK/AA, you lose too much value by flatting and the ape might cold 4-ball you anyhow with that garbage, so why wait. Then once the flop comes you get lucky because now there are only like 2 reasonable 2-pair combinations and Keating at least would have squeezed 99 so not too many sets either, you can happily raise a c-bet and get the initial raiser to pile in his money with a hand such as JJ while the blinds are forced to fold their equity away, or perhaps attempt to bluff you with 67 or a gutshot such as 78. But, no, he decides to slow play again, letting everyone catch up, which of course someone does, and now he loses to tons of 2 pair combos as well as 78 coming in, and 32, and now 76 has 30% equity against you. So, after missing value twice, this terrible turn comes and THEN he decides to start overplaying it, THEN he gets check-raised and continues, perhaps convincing himself that he's done something to induce a bluff, which he hasn't, because a sane player in this spot might very easily play TT, A9s, 98s, 66, 65s, etc, in this cautious manner, value betting when he improved on the turn, or feeling comfortable enough to bet one pair for value when checked to. But really what's going on is, he has kings and doesn't want to accept the bad news on the board and the bad news coming from his opponent so he finds a reason to pay on the turn and then probably uses pot odds to justify calling the river bet when Ben has very few natural bluffs to do this with, pretty much only backdoor clubs, and is he betting all of his backdoor club draws on the flop (risking getting raised off the equity of his overs by 3 dudes,) and then deciding NOT to bet those same draws on the turn, and ALSO electing to check-raise rather than check-call those draws, not having bet the turn? I don't think so, so there aren't even that many combos of backdoor clubs in this line, leaving what? Air? Pure garbage he decided to bet the flop with and then X/R bluff 4 people? Yeah right. Overplayed aces also beat you. So basically Eric butchered this hand, like a donk.
My luck I get is I raise preflop with a hand like A9 suited / A10 suited, pair my lower card, and the "limper" has me beat the whole way and never raises at all.
It's funny that EP still doesn't realize that he's the fish at the table. He always talks about playing in semi-private games at the Bellagio and acts like they bring in fish for him when, in fact, he's the fish.
The spanner play is not calling the raise only in lp with KK. The spanner play was wasting loads more on flop turm and river against 4 players when very deep stacked. Eric is lucky Ben was sensible cos against a more aggressive player, he may have lost even more
Unless the spot is super sick I take about 10 to 15 seconds in tough spots. I just think that is plenty of time to weight all the options and keep the game moving.
How can I practice playing poker every day if I don't live close to a casino and my state does not allow online poker? Can you give me any advice? Thanks
Still can play online poker I doubt the feds will come for you, theres sites like bovada you can play but you need to use crypto, you can just send the winnings to your cold wallet and then exchange for fiat
When I get to the river in live poker with a bluff catcher-ish hand in a big-ish pot I take a solid 60ish seconds usually. I try to pay attention and play fast the rest of the game so the table isn’t bothered when I take my time in the bigger spots.
Quick disclaimer, I almost can't comprehend playing at these stakes. Or at a table where more than just a couple of players are super deep stacked. That being said, I have limped with a hand like a aces or kings, so many times I can't remember, when I was sure that someone who was constantly getting out of line was going continue to do just that, only to have them check or flat behind me. I think it is fine to mix it up every now and then, especially when you have a good feel for the players at the table. But, in general, I think you should almost always bet your strong hands when you're in a position that assumes you have a much wider range. He did what he did. But, after the flop, and in this situation, if an ace comes, you can almost always assume you're beat. And if it's all underneath, you can probably assume that at least a few of your come-alongs have improved to at least draws. Now, when it checks around on that flop, if you're not betting for information, or to protect your hand, in my mind, you're giving up. Which given the fact that no one raised after you preflop, as I assumed you would have planned for, is probably fine. It cost you relatively little to take a chance. Now, when you get raised on the turn, it's probably safe to assume, that your best-case scenario, is you're against something like A7, A3 of hearts. And that's not good. Especially, when you account for the rest of their range. So, in that scenario, when it comes back me, in my head I'm saying, "I played this so bad". I already know that I'm folding. But I'm going to tank for a moment just to save face. I do respect the fact that he said that he played it bad out loud.
Why did Ben play 9 6 Suited? Isn't that a hand you pretty much always fold preflop? Also, this is why you don't slow play pocket kings. This is exactly why
saw a video of eric and hellmuth heads up and eric was raggin on phil hard. funny youve highlighted two times where youd swear hes channeling hellmuth play
If eric raised pre, imo, ben would have called the raise, considering how agro eric is. Any bet or check on flop and ben calls. Ben will turn 2 pair and all money is going in. So, its either way
Before I make any decision, I always like to take my time to think about my next move. Even if I know exactly that I have a very strong hand, I never (or al least hardly ever) call that extremely fast. I sometimes do this for deception and sometimes because I’m unsure of my current position. Is it a dumb thing to do? Can this actually deceive my opponents? I only play against my friends and they aren’t too good, so that’s why I’m asking.
I'm a simple man. I see Eric Persson on tilt and having a punching match with Phil Hellmuth in the parking lot, during which they both become irreversibly brain-damaged? *I CLICK.*
While I think this is a mistake, I wonder if having this in your arsenal at some low frequency isn't a terrible play. It's probably -EV in the hand itself but it makes you a lot less predictable and you can probably get paid when people hit top pair. This is likely the wrong table though, and the wrong position from which to try it.
it shows that you,re thinking, people always talk about mixing it up but lets say eric has a set of fives, would he shove bens river bet? because only a better hand will call so almost no one would shove with set 555 but only call instead, so much for truly mixing it up, i ask because what if eric shoved bens 80 grand value bet? would ben call? if he does then that means he would have also called eric,s shoved set of fives, which again few people would shove with. sorry if this is confusing, my point is people talk alot about mixing up thier play but some mixing up just never seems to get into the mix.
I play three tables on poker stars right now so I don't have very long to think. =( There are times when I'm only playing one table and I STILL need a lot longer to think on some hands. I wish they gave you a time chip to think every 20 minutes or so that you could use for big hands if you needed it. If I was in a table game like this though, I would probably take longer than 15 seconds.
I have literally taken 1-2 minutes on big pot decisions. I'm reviewing in my mind the betting history, this players tendencies, the math and my instincts/intuition. I've laid down sick folds where everyone at the table is making fun of it and accusing me of being a nit but it was the right decision at the time and saved me thousands of dollars. I would say I'm right about 70% on those big folds so I suppose for now it's working. Normally standard hands 15-30 seconds tho.
Eric makes snap calls like he's online playing for $350 against randos, and not playing for a third of a MILLION dollars against often brilliant players. His arrogance has cost him many millions and it's only getting worse.
He's not a good poker player. Goof businessman, which at the end of the day, is much more profitable. I don't like the guy but he is worth more than Hellmuth, Ivey, and Negreanu combinrd.
i take 10-15 seconds, online games can assist you making rapid decisions live play usually does not have a clock, adjusting to slow down live is a high level play. position allows us to know the previous player's betting and checking too tough to think and maintain stoic? maybe no limit is not your best use of your skillz ben is very capable of "CRAZY" imho
Eric Persson is basically a very dumb version of Durrrr. He also only has two gears. It's just that with Persson, you are basically playing an ADHD brat who REALLY REALLY likes to win and show bluffs, that doesn't care about money. So whether he has anything or not is purely down to chance and has zero to do with his betting. It's actually more likely that he has the nuts when he checks.
@@jambreakfast4341 that's not the point and beyond my bankroll, obviously. Playing him is like flipping coins for hundreds of thousands. Except for the fact that he has absolutely glaring live tells. For similar reasons I wouldn't play Durrrr or Tony G. Both can pull the trigger at any point with complete air that I have seen no other player capable of. With all of those, you just are totally in the dark. Except, of course, that Durrrr and Tony G have extremely solid fundamentals and KNOW, when to pull the trigger.
How would YOU have played this poker hand differently if you were Eric Persson? 🤔
Fold on the turn and donate 100k to charity
3! on the button. I'd also raise big on the flop.
I would have raised pre-flop. I don't get ppl who slow play AA and KK. It makes sense if the table is super nitty, but when you have 4 players with you in on the flop? Someone is going to catch something better than your pair.
Raise pre-flop to get the dead wood out. You want to limit freeloaders..
2x pot bet pre flop on button would be my play
Limping KK on BTN very multi-way - he deserves everything he gets
it was not a limp, he flatted a utg raise
@@vlada_janjanin don't bother @fatpigkenny is a complete fish
@@barygol
Yet he has almost 60k in winning on sharkscope
it wasn’t a limp fat pig, didn’t you get that?
A 1.5x raise is the same as a limp. It changes nothing other than eliminating 72 off.
Eric is the type of guy that would rather make a million bad calls than get bluffed once. Any "thinking" that Eric does on the river is only going to end at "he's probably trying to bluff me." followed by a call.
Maybe a sign of some deep insecurity but hey, the guy has tons of money so hes doing something right.
@@PedroTRamos1 seems to be more luck and intimidation of lesser players than anything else.
@@jessieball6195 He certainly didnt make his money from poker i think its from casinos.
I'm a simple man. I see EP tilting, and I click the vid! This is the man that made me root for Phil Helmuth. For that, I will forever root against him.
I agree with Eric.
He is "so bad."
What a gift he is to the high stakes poker community.
He has paid off most of their mortgages and will continue to do so for decades to come.
Calling him a fish would be insulting to fish.
@0:10 Eric is grinning with a smile, but when Keating only calls, his face changes to dismay @0:16 lol
I love how evil ben looks when you froze the video on the turn after he raised 🤣
I definitely made the mistake of not thinking things through and just quick calling a large bet this weekend. Just another thing that even seasoned playees can forget to do in the moment
Are you calling Eric 'Big Donk' Persson a seasoned player? 😂
seasoned and well salted terrible player you meant, right?
premium hands like Eric had is very vulnerable in a multiway pot such as AQ AK, those hands either win small or lose big. Best strategy is to isolate pre flop for protection
I'm not even 20 seconds into this and I'm already raising alarms.
No raise with kings, multiway? For that alone should he lose this to something stupid, it's his fault.
He slow played preflop, which is just an error, this is a 3-bet pure, you never need to flat kings here. Aces, maybe once in a zillion years, to protect your flatting range if you have some ape in the blinds, but even then, the UTG raiser's uncapped range protects your capped one, so I would always 3-bet KK/AA, you lose too much value by flatting and the ape might cold 4-ball you anyhow with that garbage, so why wait.
Then once the flop comes you get lucky because now there are only like 2 reasonable 2-pair combinations and Keating at least would have squeezed 99 so not too many sets either, you can happily raise a c-bet and get the initial raiser to pile in his money with a hand such as JJ while the blinds are forced to fold their equity away, or perhaps attempt to bluff you with 67 or a gutshot such as 78.
But, no, he decides to slow play again, letting everyone catch up, which of course someone does, and now he loses to tons of 2 pair combos as well as 78 coming in, and 32, and now 76 has 30% equity against you.
So, after missing value twice, this terrible turn comes and THEN he decides to start overplaying it, THEN he gets check-raised and continues, perhaps convincing himself that he's done something to induce a bluff, which he hasn't, because a sane player in this spot might very easily play TT, A9s, 98s, 66, 65s, etc, in this cautious manner, value betting when he improved on the turn, or feeling comfortable enough to bet one pair for value when checked to. But really what's going on is, he has kings and doesn't want to accept the bad news on the board and the bad news coming from his opponent so he finds a reason to pay on the turn and then probably uses pot odds to justify calling the river bet when Ben has very few natural bluffs to do this with, pretty much only backdoor clubs, and is he betting all of his backdoor club draws on the flop (risking getting raised off the equity of his overs by 3 dudes,) and then deciding NOT to bet those same draws on the turn, and ALSO electing to check-raise rather than check-call those draws, not having bet the turn? I don't think so, so there aren't even that many combos of backdoor clubs in this line, leaving what? Air? Pure garbage he decided to bet the flop with and then X/R bluff 4 people? Yeah right. Overplayed aces also beat you.
So basically Eric butchered this hand, like a donk.
I tried to click No, but it keeps pausing and playing the video.
My luck I get is I raise preflop with a hand like A9 suited / A10 suited, pair my lower card, and the "limper" has me beat the whole way and never raises at all.
Eric is a action player so is Ben. But Ben is never bluffing on the river.
It's funny that EP still doesn't realize that he's the fish at the table. He always talks about playing in semi-private games at the Bellagio and acts like they bring in fish for him when, in fact, he's the fish.
The spanner play is not calling the raise only in lp with KK. The spanner play was wasting loads more on flop turm and river against 4 players when very deep stacked. Eric is lucky Ben was sensible cos against a more aggressive player, he may have lost even more
Comments help, you’re welcome
Unless the spot is super sick I take about 10 to 15 seconds in tough spots. I just think that is plenty of time to weight all the options and keep the game moving.
Insta calling is something bad players do
How can I practice playing poker every day if I don't live close to a casino and my state does not allow online poker? Can you give me any advice? Thanks
Still can play online poker I doubt the feds will come for you, theres sites like bovada you can play but you need to use crypto, you can just send the winnings to your cold wallet and then exchange for fiat
Move out of the woods.
Isn't ACR available all over?
When I get to the river in live poker with a bluff catcher-ish hand in a big-ish pot I take a solid 60ish seconds
usually.
I try to pay attention and play fast the rest of the game so the table isn’t bothered when I take my time in the bigger spots.
Quick disclaimer, I almost can't comprehend playing at these stakes. Or at a table where more than just a couple of players are super deep stacked.
That being said, I have limped with a hand like a aces or kings, so many times I can't remember, when I was sure that someone who was constantly getting out of line was going continue to do just that, only to have them check or flat behind me. I think it is fine to mix it up every now and then, especially when you have a good feel for the players at the table. But, in general, I think you should almost always bet your strong hands when you're in a position that assumes you have a much wider range.
He did what he did. But, after the flop, and in this situation, if an ace comes, you can almost always assume you're beat. And if it's all underneath, you can probably assume that at least a few of your come-alongs have improved to at least draws. Now, when it checks around on that flop, if you're not betting for information, or to protect your hand, in my mind, you're giving up. Which given the fact that no one raised after you preflop, as I assumed you would have planned for, is probably fine. It cost you relatively little to take a chance. Now, when you get raised on the turn, it's probably safe to assume, that your best-case scenario, is you're against something like A7, A3 of hearts. And that's not good. Especially, when you account for the rest of their range. So, in that scenario, when it comes back me, in my head I'm saying, "I played this so bad". I already know that I'm folding. But I'm going to tank for a moment just to save face.
I do respect the fact that he said that he played it bad out loud.
Persson and hellmuth get a lot of hate, but you cant deny they are both extremely entertaining to watch.
What was he thinking? Lmao
Why did Ben play 9 6 Suited? Isn't that a hand you pretty much always fold preflop? Also, this is why you don't slow play pocket kings. This is exactly why
Welcome to the big leagues kid
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What a quick CALL! By Eric. It was like he wanted to get Ben scared and muck his hand😂
saw a video of eric and hellmuth heads up and eric was raggin on phil hard. funny youve highlighted two times where youd swear hes channeling hellmuth play
If eric raised pre, imo, ben would have called the raise, considering how agro eric is. Any bet or check on flop and ben calls. Ben will turn 2 pair and all money is going in. So, its either way
Before I make any decision, I always like to take my time to think about my next move. Even if I know exactly that I have a very strong hand, I never (or al least hardly ever) call that extremely fast. I sometimes do this for deception and sometimes because I’m unsure of my current position. Is it a dumb thing to do? Can this actually deceive my opponents? I only play against my friends and they aren’t too good, so that’s why I’m asking.
i usually only do it with the nutz multiway and want to turn invisible,
I'm a simple man. I see Eric Persson on tilt and having a punching match with Phil Hellmuth in the parking lot, during which they both become irreversibly brain-damaged?
*I CLICK.*
When you make the mistake of limping KK and see a flop 5 ways, it's time to pot control, not build.
While I think this is a mistake, I wonder if having this in your arsenal at some low frequency isn't a terrible play. It's probably -EV in the hand itself but it makes you a lot less predictable and you can probably get paid when people hit top pair. This is likely the wrong table though, and the wrong position from which to try it.
it shows that you,re thinking, people always talk about mixing it up but lets say eric has a set of fives, would he shove bens river bet? because only a better hand will call so almost no one would shove with set 555 but only call instead, so much for truly mixing it up, i ask because what if eric shoved bens 80 grand value bet? would ben call? if he does then that means he would have also called eric,s shoved set of fives, which again few people would shove with. sorry if this is confusing, my point is people talk alot about mixing up thier play but some mixing up just never seems to get into the mix.
I play three tables on poker stars right now so I don't have very long to think. =( There are times when I'm only playing one table and I STILL need a lot longer to think on some hands. I wish they gave you a time chip to think every 20 minutes or so that you could use for big hands if you needed it. If I was in a table game like this though, I would probably take longer than 15 seconds.
How is the 10d a horrible river card for ben?? I think 3,4,5,7,8 or any hearts are terrible rivers for ben!
Yes...
When you have a reputation of being a lunatic then tries to look sane while having a premium goes wrong.
Merry Christmas , Ben. Why’d I do that, Alan? Screw you, Eric.
Don't play at other people's pace. Take your time. No snap decisions.
Well said (within reason of course!)
This is a old video keating perrson and ben have not been pn hcl for a long time now its mariano and airball .. hopefully durr comes back
No he does that a lot I’ve been watching for at least six months. All the time
>15 seconds, unless I'm going on a gut decision, then usually much faster
I think KK without a heart probably calls, KK without a heart folds. But it's close.
0:41 Ha!!!!
Okay yes...
But why is nobody questioning why Ben is opening with 96s UTG
I have literally taken 1-2 minutes on big pot decisions. I'm reviewing in my mind the betting history, this players tendencies, the math and my instincts/intuition. I've laid down sick folds where everyone at the table is making fun of it and accusing me of being a nit but it was the right decision at the time and saved me thousands of dollars. I would say I'm right about 70% on those big folds so I suppose for now it's working. Normally standard hands 15-30 seconds tho.
Love it!
Eric played that hand like a Noob. 😆😆😆😆
I wish I could play a cash game at a table with Eric persson and nic airball.
When you got KINGS man you raise....
Before i usually takes 2secs to think in a big situation like this, now, i try to spend all the time i can to think.
Almost a full minute before I act
You just cannot limp the button with monsters. It's just bad playing. Just don't do it, become physically incapable of doing so.
Handz always puts himself in bad spot lol
He played like a rookie. O have trouble folding AA KK when I raise or 2 get against 1 or 2 players. Against 5 its easy to fold not that annoying.
Definitley from the wrong seat! Liked the limp though
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Call with KK pre flop ??? What a bad play, call on the river even worse. Eric sometimes makes very very stupid moves.
Why are you explaining what we just see?
I would’ve raised initially by 2.5 . After that value bet on every street
What I do next Johnathon
KK turning into a bluff? There’s never a straight with that river bet
Eric is never folding kings without an Ace on the board
those edits crack me the fuck up lool
May the heaven gave us at our tables at least one Persson per table . God bless
All this could have been avoided if he had 3 bet preflop. And I'll tank for a good minute in tough spots like this.
he made a mistake on every street. I do not think he would found out the solution even he thought some minutes more
I see this happen soon often at 1 2
In fairness to Eric, we didn’t need to see this clip to understand “He’s so bad!”
No 5 to 15 sec
Even if I had an ACE i would raise
Eric makes snap calls like he's online playing for $350 against randos, and not playing for a third of a MILLION dollars against often brilliant players. His arrogance has cost him many millions and it's only getting worse.
Eric plays with a lot of emotion. Appropriate he alpha male snap called with K's.
I'll watch Persson loose all day long.
Persson is an amateur with a lot of money. Thats why he has a seat at that table.
he saved $$
ben would've called pre & continued to turn and prob dubbed up..
snap calling the river is terrible.🎣
When is Erica Persson NOT tilting?
Erik is right! He played that hand bad al the way :)
He's not a good poker player. Goof businessman, which at the end of the day, is much more profitable. I don't like the guy but he is worth more than Hellmuth, Ivey, and Negreanu combinrd.
More than 15 seconds
No ! He’s a “can “
i take 10-15 seconds, online games can assist you making rapid decisions
live play usually does not have a clock, adjusting to slow down live is a high level play.
position allows us to know the previous player's betting and checking
too tough to think and maintain stoic?
maybe no limit is not your best use of your skillz
ben is very capable of "CRAZY" imho
I think he’s got more money than sense.
1 pair 5 ways is never good 😮
Limping makes you Crippled😝🤪😜
When you have a monster hand and played it in stupid way and ended up a cry baby lolz!
This make no sense specially with his image
175k in 1 hand lol ..
bro made the wrong decision on nearly every action
Fishy whales = life
BLUNDER
The commentary blows balls
Eric Persson is basically a very dumb version of Durrrr. He also only has two gears. It's just that with Persson, you are basically playing an ADHD brat who REALLY REALLY likes to win and show bluffs, that doesn't care about money. So whether he has anything or not is purely down to chance and has zero to do with his betting. It's actually more likely that he has the nuts when he checks.
Sit down with him and win millions then.
@@jambreakfast4341 that's not the point and beyond my bankroll, obviously. Playing him is like flipping coins for hundreds of thousands. Except for the fact that he has absolutely glaring live tells. For similar reasons I wouldn't play Durrrr or Tony G. Both can pull the trigger at any point with complete air that I have seen no other player capable of. With all of those, you just are totally in the dark. Except, of course, that Durrrr and Tony G have extremely solid fundamentals and KNOW, when to pull the trigger.
Eric isn’t a high level player. He just has a lot of money and knows basic Holdem