I liked the look of Pegasus so much that blowing it up was the first time I was absolutely furious with the show as opposed to whichever character had done something stupid that honked me off.
I would've loved to see the Pegasus rampaging through the Cylons and doing things the Galactica simply couldn't. The Viper factories on board were critical assets by themselves. Fat Adama threw away their best asset to save a broken down museum ship, and to save his dad. Pure selfishness.
@@Daginni1 cylon's ran off simulation and predictive analysis. All of the Cylon's ability to predict were based off sacrificing the Galactica and saving the Mercury as a vital asset, they forgot they are facing humans who don't always play "save the assets." And that Mercury made them rethink everything. (again.) Also removing Adama Sr. from the playing board was worth losing 4 basestars. It was a question of saving the larger body or the better brain.
While the Mercury class is good and has it's strengths, I reckon it was ultimately the right ship to be sacrificed... just not the correct way to sacrifice it, but I won't digress... While Peagsus is a newer ship with more functionality it has one draw back. Lack of fleet support. Cain is the clincher. She kissed the right boots and had a famous family history... But was deemed predictable as other BS commanders could dance rings around her in mock battles. Thus Cain was given Pegasus. A BS in name but in reality was a support BS in that it held the means of production to continue long term offensives if planet bound static targets were destroyed... or political battles resulted in the lack of war support from one of the 12 colonies. Pegasus could fill that niche, but you never want your production ships on the front line, even if it is a BS. If the fabricators are destroyed or damaged you lose long term survivability for a fleet. The advantage is, Pegasus can move and fight her way out of a situation, so she's less vulnerable to attack, but better that she not come under attack, can deliver long range barrages and have a fleet of ships to cover her and take the fight directly to the enemy. The Mercury class on paper is the better BS for the fleet Galactica sheparded but in a fight down to the wire... Galactica is a lean mean BS with everything about her intended to be useful in combat. Pegasus has to much junk in the trunk. Now if Adama had taken Pegasus instead of Galactica maybe we would have seen Pegasus used competently... But Adama didn't know the Pegaus as well as he knew Galactica. He was wise in taking a ship he knew inside and out instead of Pegasus that he didn't know the limits of.
If you read the BSG comics, and novels they present some interesting pieces of information about the Mercury-class. For example, we find out that even though it's almost twice as big as the Jupiter class, the Mercury class's interior is mostly taken up by fabrication facilities (not weapons). So being bigger in this case is not necessarily an advantage. The Mercury class was considered a "test-bed" for new technologies (like on-board Viper factories), but was never intended to be mass produced as it was absurdly expensive. Many Admirals considered the Mercury-class to be bloated, and preferred the cheaper Valkyrie-class, and refit Jupiter classes. Being posted to a highly expensive Mercury-class was considered a "prestige" post (but one with very little fleet authority). The Fleet Adrmirals stuck Admiral Cain on the Pegasus to "honor" her, but secretly they all thought she was crazy and unfit for commanding fleets. They wanted her someplace where she wouldn't be able to make important decisions. We also find out about some ship war games that were carried out with the Pegasus against the smaller Valkyrie class. Admiral Cain ended up actually losing in the war games repeatedly against older smaller battlestars. The reason? Because she was incredibly inflexible, and not able to adapt to changing/unconventional tactics. She was too by the book. Other Captains, and ship commanders secretly made fun of her for inability to win with a larger more modern ship. So yeah, the BSG books and comics are interesting. You should read them.
Just listened to this on my drive home and it makes me even madder now that LEE just wasted it, it was literally THE PERFECT SHIP for them to be stuck with
They should’ve just let galactica be destroyed and had adama move his flag there smh then again Lee was just a bad choice to be captain in the first place he had absolutely no experience being a carrier commander
Seems like a better plan would have been to charge in and give em a bloody nose the way he did, but not straight into the middle of the fur ball. Slash in, make em hurt, and break off enough to take pressure off Galactica. Keep dragging as much away from Galactica as possible, until they're able to jump, then unass the AO themselves. Yeah, Lee managed to kill a couple of base stars, but against a major loss to the humans the math isn't good.
Ships that can tank nuclear bombs aren't actually exclusive to sci-fi, the USS Nevada took 2 direct nuclear bombs in an attempt to "retire" it and didn't sink. They ended up having to send out a battlegroup that included an Iowa class to bombard it for several days to get it to sink, which was really impressive considering that there was an Iowa class battleship credited with sinking an island.
Also ignores the fact that blast requires an atmosphere.... Last time I looked space is kind of short on atmosphere... so the blast effects of a nuclear explosion simply would not happen. Heat and radiation yes, blast no.....
@@alganhar1 technically the shockwave would actually have an effect on the ship it hits, since the ship is solid a shockwave can go through it, however the main concern would probably be the entire ship melting since the heat can't go anywhere
I love the battlestars. They really took the Seventy Maxims of Maximally Effective Mercenaries to heart. 13. Do unto others. 22. If you can see the whites of their eyes, somebody's done something wrong. 25. If a manufacturer's warranty covers the damage you do, you didn't do enough damage. 34. If you're leaving scorch marks, you need a bigger gun. 46. Don't try to save money by conserving ammunition. The core design philosophy, summed up in three lines. 6. If violence wasn't your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it. 55. It's only too many weapons if they're pointing the wrong direction. 37. There is no "overkill." There is only "open fire" and "reload."
Two things you missed are that the Mercury Class battlestar didn't need to retract its flight pods to make a jump, and that it had double flight decks, so that it could land twice as many craft as the Jupiter class. Otherwise, great video!
Sorry, but the Mercury-Class Battlestars just have ONE single flight pod on each side. The Pegasus got double flight pods with the launch tubes in the layer between the flight pods (even 40 tubes like the Galactica). And by the way: the Battlestar Galactica is not a Mercury-Class, it's a Columbia-Class or Columbia-Class refit (Don't know exactly which one) Battlestar Type.
@@davfree9732 Hi Dave. I'm definitely sure that "Galactica" is not a Jupiter Class. She is for sure a Columbia or Columbia Refit-Class. If I remember correctly, the project runs with different names as "Jupiter", "Galactica" and finally "Columbia" (and Columbia Refit") through canon storytelling. I'll try finding the sources again and send you the links. Greetings Ice
@@icemang.9981 I'm more familiar with the 'block' designations where 'block 3' introduced a Jupiter class that didn't need to retract it's flight pods. Maybe we're referring to the same thing by different designations?
Lee Adama should have been thrown out of the airlock for loosing Pegasus. Yeah, I know show is named after the old "Bucket", but Pegasus was rightly nicknamed the "Beast".
There is a rule in fiction that you don't give a character a laser powered rocket sledgehammer that crushes all foes because it removes all tension if everything they do from then on becomes a formality. You only ever give one to fix one, maybe two problems and then take it away.
@@rotwang2000 Laughs in DBZ. One could go to the other extreme: Villain: "I have gained a greater power than YOURS!" - one episode later - Hero: "No, I have gained a greater power THAN YOURS!" - one episode later - Villain: "NO! I have gained a greater POWER THAN YOURS!" -repeat-
The Mercury class Battlestars and the Mark VII Vipers would have curbstomped the Cylons in a fair fight. Which is why they had to sneaky-stabby the humans with the hacking attacks.
The Mercury class was certainly far more powerful than the Jupiter Class… but a single Cylon heavy raider loaded with a nuclear weapon could have destroyed a Mercury with little effort. The Mercury is an extremely powerful ship, but the Cylons could more or less BEAM nukes into the flight pods with their precision jump capabilities
@@enoughothis As the smug scientist once said… take a firecracker lite it off in your hand what happens? You burn your hand…. Now take that same firecracker, close your fist around it and light it off….Your wife’s gonna be opening your ketchup bottles for you for the rest of your life. A nuke hitting the armor belt from the exterior is vastly different than a nuke exploding inside the flight pod.
@@Matt-yg8ubIndeed, due to nukes being omnidirectional blast weapons at most 40% of the nukes energy will be directed at the ship. And that with a contact detonation.
👌😎👍Very cool and very nicely greatly well done and informatively explained and executed in every detail way shape and format provided on all and everything on and about the Mercury Class Battlestars, A job very fabulously well done indeed Sir's!.
This video is amazingly well done. Now even more then before, I cannot watch the Battle of New Caprica without lamenting the UTTER WASTE of a Mercury Class battlestar (i.e. the greatest single asset humanity had in its arsenal at that moment; not to mention the absolute perfect ship for their situation). Let’s be honest. From a tactical standpoint, Galactica was the battlestar to lose. It was falling apart and had to held together by a mixture of patchwork and pure faith. Pegasus allowed the Fleet to resupply its reserves and provided a formidable wall of steel between them and the Cylons.
Fun thing, with meters of armor you would be able to tank a nuke that wasnt producing a shockwave. Nukes would be devastating if inserted into the enemy like a W23 naval round inside the armor, but exploding on their surface they actually wouldnt be to terribly effective against a sledge like the Mercury.
The temperature in the core of our sun is usually cited at 15 million degrees Celsius or so. Some mid-sized thermonuclear test detonations done by the old Soviet Union and the USA have been recorded at (if only very briefly) 200 or even 300 million degrees Celsius. That will vaporize the thickest of armor if it's a near miss or direct hit. Don't believe what a science fiction tells you about physics. Especially one that is not attempting to be realistic. Shockwave formation in low density environments are destructive. For example, the shock can be propagated by photons interacting with electrons, by a distribution of high energy particles or by magnetic effects. So, shock waves are actually quite common in space. Interplanetary shock waves can occur due to solar flares. ‘Bow shocks’ are formed by the interaction of the solar wind with planetary magnetospheres. Supernovae create powerful shocks, both within the star collapsing to form the explosion and also moving through the interstellar medium itself. Interstellar shocks can also occur simply by the collision or collapse of gas clouds. Black holes, high-density objects such as pulsars, as well as merging galaxies (and even just the motion of galaxies themselves) are also known to form shock waves of various forms.
It was a long time since the Colonials seen the Cylon as a real threat. They spent more time fighting each other in petty squabbles as they did Cylons during that war. Of course the Colonials were moving back to a linked computer system mindset because it gave you a HUGE edge in a battle. You wouldn't make a modern day Battleship be just like the low tech World War 2 Battleships of old.
The colonies couldn’t afford to concede cyber warfare……if the writers had wanted to be halfway realistic they could have easily leveraged the precision of Cylon Jump tech to deliver nukes directly to the interior of a battlestar’s flight pods. The cylon didn’t need to infiltrate the colonies and hack into their defense systems, they could have legitimately defeated the entire colonial military in short order simply using kamikaze Heavy Raiders loaded with nukes.
My resin Pegasus model was (pretty sure) the first lighted model of a Pegasus. It has been posted on multiple websites and won many awards in model competitions. It was made from the Bamm Bamm Productions resin kit and has almost 200 feet of fiber optic thread in it. Yeah, I really like the Mercury class!
Great Video! Such an awesome ship! I would love to see the next BSG series create an alternate timeline where they detect the cylon virus before the attack happens and remove it. When the cylons attack the virus fails and we get to see what an actual war looks like with all the most modern ships.
The colonials probably would have stomped the Cylons. In cannon lore one of the reasons the Cylons started the war the way they did was because they believed it was imposible for them to win against the Colonials vast fleet. Any conventional war would result in the Cylons extermination.
Battle star series did create ships that at least look like something we'd build, minus the artificial gravity and jump engines, both currently beyond our science or known laws of physics. SG1 basically took the same approach to their ships, of course they added shields which are not beyond our science. Although, we've not been able to engulf objects larger than a few atoms. The concept has been proven, energy needs are insane, and the radiation would cook the crew. Other than that, we're golden. Babylon 5 came closest to what we could build with current technologies and known science. I believe mankind will overcome all these barriers. I wish I could live to see it, to travel between the stars, to know if we are truly alone. Damn, medical science, where's my android body already.
There’s no reason other than the plot for Lee to have lost the Pegasus. Heck he took out a Basestar in the opening volley. Yet somehow he pilots it soo badly that it gets destroyed. In any other battle it’d have taken all them on and barely got a scratch. Yet somehow within a few moments it’s blown to bits. Nope this was writers needing something to happen. When in any conceivable way this shouldn’t have happened.
The show is called "Battlestar Galactica" and not "Battlestar Pegasus" and I think that is the only reason for it. Fat Adama should've been court marshalled for throwing it away for a broken down Museum ship and his dad.
Let’s all be honest, if you want the writers to be realistic….. Who needs a cinematic space battle when the cylon precision jump technology allows them to just load a Nuke in the back of a heavy raider, jump it straight into the flight pod and destroy any Battlestar in the Colonial fleet damn near effortlessly.
Even against the advanced AI of the Cylons it still took Baltar's lust to give them the backdoor. Thankfully the Cylons were not networked to each other except for the Final Five when they did their zen thing.
I always saw the Mercury as a glass canon like the Minerva in Deadlock. Every time it tangled with the cylons, it would rack up damage pretty quickly and lose hundreds of its crew. Galactica gets hit with a nuke, walks it off.
The bigger they are, the easier they are to destroy. The Cylons being machines with extremely precise jump drives could literally spam Any colonial Battlestar with heavy raiders loaded with nukes. The Wraith found a way to keep Stargate command from beaming nuclear weapons into their hives, but I highly doubt that the colonials had any way of preventing the Cylons from jumping Raiders into the flight pods.
@@Kestrel-ws3cg Three nukes at the same time? As far as I recall, each time it went up against the Cylons, there were a lot of casualties. Take the battle of New Cap. Galactica was getting hammered, once Pegasus showed up, it managed to get it's jump drive online and escape. Pegasus was there for only a short time and couldn't. I really think it's a glass cannon.
@@CrazyNights1015 in that case, there was some bad decision-making but usually, the mercury class can tank multiple nukes albeit heavily damaged but it is not defenseless
Me: about to comment how no sci-fi faction would use nukes for point defense. Also me: remembers that some 40k lore hints that the Imperium of Man uses nukes as part of it’s point defense.
Per "Caprica", the 'Cylons' were not rogue Ais. The 'Cylons' were simulations of persons. Want a better 'Cylon' raider pilot? Simulate the Red Baron and download a copy into each 'Cylon' raider. The Colonials had to crush their better pilots to prevent the 'Cylons' from becoming more powerful, crushing persons, such as William Adama. Better pilots were a threat to the civilization of the Colonies of Kobol. So great pilots, such as William Adama were repressed, with no remorse.
You should watch the original Battle Star Galactica. They got the guy who played Sparticus and Patton to be her captain and the Peagesus was a monster despite being identical to the Galactica in the original.
I think it was Lloyd Bridges ( father of Jeff Bridges ) he was in high noon , aeroplane 28:19 , and hot shots Kirk Douglas' ( Michael Douglas) father was spartcus, and patton was played, but George c Scott .. He was junior to adama , but the greatest military commander of the colonial military and commander of the 5th fleet ( the living legend) adama was like admiral of the fleet .
Mercury's escorted by Valkyrie's is a beautiful sight only seen on Battlestar Galactica: Deadlock and then only in the non-story arena mode. Shame, that. I'm always down to seeing both of those whenever possible. Shame also that we didn't get one of the Warstar class ships in that game. Warstar Hades was the massive flagship of the Colonial fleet from what I read. Made the Mercury class look small.
I did always think it was odd that they essentially only had 2 types of combat aircraft. You have the vipers, which gonna viper. Basically the end all fighter. (Yeah, they had a stealth recon version too.) Then you have the raptor. A scifi huey, and occasional gunship. That tracks. But its also an EW platform, tanker, c and c, and a few other things that escape me at the moment. It just feels weird that they would never have hit on the concept of a purpose built specialist plane. Somehow they had a maxed out corydora that can do everything, anytime, for any reason. (And FR, they look like cory cats. Google it.)
On two occasions pegases ( was hit by four nuclear torpedoes / missiles) two duel detonations at scorpia Fleet yrad. And in an ambush.( 3 basestars ) and a 5th. ( 5 hits total) and survived. ( bit with hundreds of casualties. 700 ish on the first battle)
Great video, thx for your engagement and your work. Btw, I don't know if it was mentioned before that the Battlestar Galactica was not a Mercury-Class BS, the "Galactica" was a Columbia-Class or Columbia-Class Refit Battlestar Type (I don't know exactly). Perhaps someone knows, thx in advance for such an information. Thx again for your great work. I wish you all a happy new year. Greetings from Germany 🙂 P.S.: For the fans of computer games --> the game "Sins of a Solar Empire-Rebellion" got a really great mod called "BSG - The fall of Kobol". You find nearly every ship class, including the frigates, cruisers and the Titan-Class Battlestar of the BSG-Universe in this game-mod. As far as I know and found sources about those ships presented are categorized "Canon".
Nuclear weapons in space don't do as much damage as on a planet. The nuke needs to burrow into a ship tp give maximum damage to a ship. A nuke exploding on the hull of an armored ship only gives 1/8 energy connection to the ship including hard radiation. This is because the nuke explodes in an spear shape with most of the radiation not hitting the ship. Shape charges in warheads would be more useful hitting a ship.
@@vidfan1701 i can imagine the level of your toast if the Colonials joined forces with the Interstellar Alliance and teched up to that level.... The horror of even a Jupiter with Minbari weapons and Whitestar armor...
@@boewolf359That would be the end of B5. No doubt. We could also ponder Adama, after the tech up, going to earth to deal with Clark. That would alter the balance of power in the galaxy.
You may have run into a myltible launch system, some tanks like the sherdin and a few soviat could launch missiles via the gun, so you have 10 deadicated missile tubes, and 80 +n gauss weapons, that may be able to also launch ,issiles, that would acount for the figers you have given in braoud. Leona
Wow, I didn't know that bit at the end. Pegasus is all that much more cooler for being so self sufficient. But I still simp pretty hard for Galactica. I just really like its slimmer sleaker design over the bulky mercury class ships. Also, I feel like the real capabilities of the jupiters and the mercury class ships aren't really flushed out in the game deadlock.
At 25:14, you mention the two bow engines in your video, they were seen firing in Battlestar Galactica: Razor during the attack on the Shipyards. In the RUclips video, Battlestar Galactica: Razor | Hit The Ground Running, ( ruclips.net/video/vwsK-dJ1drs/видео.html ) it shows the front two main engines firing up and starting their burn to get Pegasus out of the space dock during the initial Cylon attack. They're strong enough to break the docking arms that were still holding Pegasus. You can get an idea on just how maneuverable this thing is, as big / bulky as it is, as it just starts getting away from the shipyard.
13:30 Well a Nuke in Space is a LOT less effective than in Atmosphere. Sure you have a miniature short-lived star, but you loose the Blast Pressure Wave. I wonder how they would handle a Casaba Howitzer or a Nuclear Pumped Laser? 😁
Problem is Galactica couldn't ahve done what it did. Sure the Beast could have been saved, but at the cost of Galactica + most of the rest of humanity. It was a noble way for her to go out.
@@misha5670 If I was Adama I would have transferred my flag to the Pegasus. It was a far superior ship, but then they would have to change the title of the show 🤣🤗
The coolest looking ship that had the worst commanders ever...Also the Jupiter (Galactica specifically) had ribs exposed because they were stripping the plates off as it was being converted into a museum.
Nukes don't do much in space. Theres nothing for the shock wave to travel through in a vacuum, so it's like throwing TNT at a solid cube of steel: it'll make a big bang, but won't do much damage to the armour.
Pegasus was equipped with what was called a V.I. (Virtual Intelligence) that pushed VERY close to being in violation of the laws regarding Artificial Intelligence. Basically a string of commands, or a firewall away from being declared illegal by the Colonial Government and especially the Adar Administration. It was said he was a staunch traditionalist during his tenure as Caprica City's Mayor. He also made the ill fated decision not to mandate FTL drives for all Colonial ships. Because of this, tens of thousands more died needlessly due to lack of FTL jump ability. Speaking of which, it was also said the Pegasus had a FAR more capable jump ability than any other Battlestar up to that date. Capable of jumping beyond the "Red Line" and going into unexplored space. This ship would have been the one to keep during the long voyage of Galactica and it's fleet. Also, and this is non-canonical, it was said to be selected after Galactica's decommissioning to testbed the new "Jump missiles/FTL warheads". Missiles that could have jumped to a preselected target and just basically obliterate a ship light years away. And also, since Pegasus was more than a mile long, it had full Viper VII/Raptor/Foundry and factory capability as long as resources could be found. And finally, some of the best research and development labs available off colony. So newer technology could not only be fitted, but developed and implemented as well off planet. The first of a well rounded Battlestar/Exploration ship that could have been the herald for a new age of Starship development for the United Colonies of Kobol.
The only bit of dune I ever saw was back in the early eighties at the tender age of four when not only was it my dad's ancient sci-fi, but it was the scene where some grotesque fat man flew around a room seemingly by the power of his own farts. I never even knew Patrick Stewart was in that movie until after the next generation finished airing.
Where did the screenshot of the Mercury Class Battlestar Cerberus come from???? Do a video on the Nova Class Battlestar, this is the FIRST I have heard of that class!!!!!
What's everybody's thoughts on a new TV show set in the universe of Battlestar Galactica but it is on board a Mercury class Battlestar that we follow and that the premise starting out is that it's a battle star that was on long-range deep space assignment and it returns slightly early because it's not receiving any more communication updates from Colonial commands so it returns to see what's going on only to find out Humanity has been wiped out and they think that they are all that is left of humanity and they go in search of not only a new home to live on but for Revenge revenge against the cylons and on top of that it all takes place happening after the events of Battlestar Galactica so then this new Battlestar a Mercury class it's Journey starts after the end of Battlestar Galactica ended. Call it Battlestar Zues
Someone pointed out that in the battle of the Resurrection Ship, the Pegasus uses cyberwarfare during battle. If you look closely you can see Cylon missiles arcing away from the Pegasus as their targeting systems are intercepted and interrupted.
I've read that the reason the Galactica was missing segments was because they used her armor for newer ships since she was no longer in service. They even mention that in the pilot when discussing the ship being turned into a museum. There is a good view of the BS Columbia before she was destroyed, ruclips.net/video/IfyNUhomMoU/видео.html at 0:34+ that shows what a Jupiter II looked like during the first Cylon war. Did you watch Razor? If you didn't it's worth a watch.
1 aa = say 5m that's gimbles and barrels swing room. 1600/5 = 320 That's 320 AA guns per gun troth. Looks like at least 4 troths 1280 AA guns. If each troth has 2 rows of AA then 2560AA is posible.
The Mercury class reminds me a bit like the New British Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers which are built to have much smaller crews but are still massive carriers.
Because in canon the largest or biggest Battlestar is the Titan-Class Battlestar. Twice the size of a Mercury-Class with 560 Vipers (aka 21 Viper Squadrons) and 140 Raptors.Ten were planned, 4 got comissioned in the original Titan-Class. 6 postponed until further refinements in the design, resulting in the Stryker-Subclass. Interpreting the sources only 3 were build.
Would not be too difficult to armour a ship from the blast of a Nuke in space tbh. Its in a vacuum. Nuclear blasts, like all blasts, do not propagate in a vacuum. Period. They do not. It requires an ATMOSPHERE to propagate the blast effects of a nuclear weapon, and last time I looked the vastness of space was kind of lacking an atmosphere.... Radiation effects? Now thats a different story, but then several metres of armour would do just nicely to stop any radiation entering the internals of the ship.... The ONLY time a nuke would work against a space ship, is if you managed to get one to penetrate the vessel then detonate when there is still enough atmo inside to propagate the blast. Otherwise... forget it. Not happening.
In my eyes, they should have stripped the Galactica of anything useful and give her a proper burial. Then combine the 2 crews on the Pegasus to make her 100% ready for every situation. I understand why they couldn't in the show, but we all know at this point the Galactica was 50 years old, stripped of most weapons and armor, plus she was in a general bad shape.
He needs to see the 1980s, 1990s, miniseries or the movie sections that are being filmed now and should come out as a total of three parts for the first Dune book.
You do know that any of the Enterprises from the NX-01 up to the J and beyond, especially when you get to the Enterprise-E, can one shot any Battle or Warstar right? Just saying. Nukes don't faze shields, and the hull can withstand multiple hits from antimatter weapons. One Quantum torpedo will one shot any ship in the Battlestar universe. And I still absolutely love Battlestars!
The entire Ohio class SSBNs can field like 2000 nukes, and they are just 12 submarines, why is it so crazy to think a single 1.6km long battlestar could field enough nukes to wipe out a planet?
Watching this video makes me regret once again how disappointed that they cut away from the Battle of the Resurrection Ship to show Lee floating around dying since he forgot to put some duct tape in his pocket. The rest of that battle was awesome.
Sidenote: A handgun is also often called a pistol or sidearm. The defining characteristic of a handgun is that you can hold and wield it effectively with one hand. These days, most military style assault rifles (including the AR-15) have a pistol grip, which just means that the grip is nearly at a right angle to the stock and barrel, to help the wielder absorb recoil during rapid fire, but they are still classified as long guns. Basically nobody is trying to restrict the sale of handguns. Absolutely agree that the Mercury class is beautiful.
@@80s_Boombox_Collector some. Have you ever thought about how much bureaucracy that there is behind everything. And that the government more or less gets a free check written to just spend as much as it feels like or say that it spent as much as it felt like yet under deep dives and investigations we constantly find people who took their positions of trust in bureaucratic power to feather their own nest at the cost and expense of the taxpayer. Defense spending though necessary is a spot where you could definitely see where our budget far exceeds what the cost probably is. Let's assume you paid every member of the are active military $100,000 a year which we most certainly don't and let's assume that our current military is 1.2 million strong. That comes to 120 billion dollars. And yet we have a 1 trillion per year budget. Did we spend that much on fuel did we get that many more tanks for that many more planes every single year? The best way to look at bureaucracy is just like human resources at your local job they don't like you or care about you and they only care about themselves and the company The moment that you prove to be a liability in any way they will not only cut ties but also make sure that you're set with the bill. Earlier references were to the ATF redefining what it thought things were which it's not able to and in fact it's getting difficult to accept that some people are more than willing to redefine things altogether and close their eyes when they are met with a straight fact in front of them. There are people in society that ignore established fact and choose to recognize a reality of their own creation. Some of these people are thieves and criminals some of these people are considered to be insane. some of these people are in Congress.
@@MymMars The same is true with businessmen. Tons of them try to line their pockets unethically or without being straight with the customer, giving them products laced with toxins or polluting the environment. Or not doing shit except delegating work on down, while the line workers make 200 times less than they do. Or claiming a vacation as a business expense when they only had one 2-hour meeting with a client. And I'm not sure what you're referring to with the ATF. I don't believe it was them who came up with the definition of "assault weapons". I believe it was Congress who came up with that.
An AR-15 is NOT an "assault rifle". Assault rifles are capable of select fire and/or full auto fire and have been illegal for general purchase by private civilians without a special ATF tax stamp since 1986. An AR-15 is a sport or hunting rifle depending on barrel length.
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I liked the look of Pegasus so much that blowing it up was the first time I was absolutely furious with the show as opposed to whichever character had done something stupid that honked me off.
I would've loved to see the Pegasus rampaging through the Cylons and doing things the Galactica simply couldn't. The Viper factories on board were critical assets by themselves. Fat Adama threw away their best asset to save a broken down museum ship, and to save his dad. Pure selfishness.
@@Daginni1 cylon's ran off simulation and predictive analysis. All of the Cylon's ability to predict were based off sacrificing the Galactica and saving the Mercury as a vital asset, they forgot they are facing humans who don't always play "save the assets." And that Mercury made them rethink everything. (again.) Also removing Adama Sr. from the playing board was worth losing 4 basestars. It was a question of saving the larger body or the better brain.
@@Daginni1 That numbskull should have been tried and court-martialed. Lee was a pure idiot and Tighe should have been in charge.
Makes sense, as they were so constantly utterly stupid, if that had upset you you could never have watched it
While the Mercury class is good and has it's strengths, I reckon it was ultimately the right ship to be sacrificed... just not the correct way to sacrifice it, but I won't digress...
While Peagsus is a newer ship with more functionality it has one draw back. Lack of fleet support.
Cain is the clincher. She kissed the right boots and had a famous family history... But was deemed predictable as other BS commanders could dance rings around her in mock battles. Thus Cain was given Pegasus. A BS in name but in reality was a support BS in that it held the means of production to continue long term offensives if planet bound static targets were destroyed... or political battles resulted in the lack of war support from one of the 12 colonies. Pegasus could fill that niche, but you never want your production ships on the front line, even if it is a BS. If the fabricators are destroyed or damaged you lose long term survivability for a fleet.
The advantage is, Pegasus can move and fight her way out of a situation, so she's less vulnerable to attack, but better that she not come under attack, can deliver long range barrages and have a fleet of ships to cover her and take the fight directly to the enemy. The Mercury class on paper is the better BS for the fleet Galactica sheparded but in a fight down to the wire... Galactica is a lean mean BS with everything about her intended to be useful in combat. Pegasus has to much junk in the trunk.
Now if Adama had taken Pegasus instead of Galactica maybe we would have seen Pegasus used competently... But Adama didn't know the Pegaus as well as he knew Galactica. He was wise in taking a ship he knew inside and out instead of Pegasus that he didn't know the limits of.
If you read the BSG comics, and novels they present some interesting pieces of information about the Mercury-class. For example, we find out that even though it's almost twice as big as the Jupiter class, the Mercury class's interior is mostly taken up by fabrication facilities (not weapons). So being bigger in this case is not necessarily an advantage. The Mercury class was considered a "test-bed" for new technologies (like on-board Viper factories), but was never intended to be mass produced as it was absurdly expensive.
Many Admirals considered the Mercury-class to be bloated, and preferred the cheaper Valkyrie-class, and refit Jupiter classes. Being posted to a highly expensive Mercury-class was considered a "prestige" post (but one with very little fleet authority). The Fleet Adrmirals stuck Admiral Cain on the Pegasus to "honor" her, but secretly they all thought she was crazy and unfit for commanding fleets. They wanted her someplace where she wouldn't be able to make important decisions.
We also find out about some ship war games that were carried out with the Pegasus against the smaller Valkyrie class. Admiral Cain ended up actually losing in the war games repeatedly against older smaller battlestars. The reason? Because she was incredibly inflexible, and not able to adapt to changing/unconventional tactics. She was too by the book. Other Captains, and ship commanders secretly made fun of her for inability to win with a larger more modern ship. So yeah, the BSG books and comics are interesting. You should read them.
i swear to god i saw this exact same comment on the Spacedock Pegasus video, like word for word
The Jupiter class: “Imma gonna fuck you up toaster.”
The Mercury class: “Imma gonna fuck you up toaster. With style.”
I misread that second one as “mmm I’m gonna fuck you toaster”
@kyriss12 😂no that's the pilot only. G
Nova class Prometheus: 'Order batteries alpha through echo to switch to salvo fire' 😉
Just listened to this on my drive home and it makes me even madder now that LEE just wasted it, it was literally THE PERFECT SHIP for them to be stuck with
They should’ve just let galactica be destroyed and had adama move his flag there smh then again Lee was just a bad choice to be captain in the first place he had absolutely no experience being a carrier commander
@cmj0929 I mean yes buts it's the Galactica, I understand this but I still pick Galactica over Pegasus any day
Seems like a better plan would have been to charge in and give em a bloody nose the way he did, but not straight into the middle of the fur ball.
Slash in, make em hurt, and break off enough to take pressure off Galactica. Keep dragging as much away from Galactica as possible, until they're able to jump, then unass the AO themselves.
Yeah, Lee managed to kill a couple of base stars, but against a major loss to the humans the math isn't good.
This 😎👍🤟
Ships that can tank nuclear bombs aren't actually exclusive to sci-fi, the USS Nevada took 2 direct nuclear bombs in an attempt to "retire" it and didn't sink. They ended up having to send out a battlegroup that included an Iowa class to bombard it for several days to get it to sink, which was really impressive considering that there was an Iowa class battleship credited with sinking an island.
Also ignores the fact that blast requires an atmosphere.... Last time I looked space is kind of short on atmosphere... so the blast effects of a nuclear explosion simply would not happen.
Heat and radiation yes, blast no.....
@@alganhar1 technically the shockwave would actually have an effect on the ship it hits, since the ship is solid a shockwave can go through it, however the main concern would probably be the entire ship melting since the heat can't go anywhere
I love the battlestars. They really took the Seventy Maxims of Maximally Effective Mercenaries to heart.
13. Do unto others.
22. If you can see the whites of their eyes, somebody's done something wrong.
25. If a manufacturer's warranty covers the damage you do, you didn't do enough damage.
34. If you're leaving scorch marks, you need a bigger gun.
46. Don't try to save money by conserving ammunition.
The core design philosophy, summed up in three lines.
6. If violence wasn't your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
55. It's only too many weapons if they're pointing the wrong direction.
37. There is no "overkill." There is only "open fire" and "reload."
Never be afraid to be the first to resort to violence... And always pillage first...Then burny
Two things you missed are that the Mercury Class battlestar didn't need to retract its flight pods to make a jump, and that it had double flight decks, so that it could land twice as many craft as the Jupiter class. Otherwise, great video!
Sorry, but the Mercury-Class Battlestars just have ONE single flight pod on each side. The Pegasus got double flight pods with the launch tubes in the layer between the flight pods (even 40 tubes like the Galactica). And by the way: the Battlestar Galactica is not a Mercury-Class, it's a Columbia-Class or Columbia-Class refit (Don't know exactly which one) Battlestar Type.
@@icemang.9981 Re: Galactica's class, are we talking about a different Galactica than the reboot? Fairly sure she's a Jupiter class
@@davfree9732 Hi Dave. I'm definitely sure that "Galactica" is not a Jupiter Class. She is for sure a Columbia or Columbia Refit-Class. If I remember correctly, the project runs with different names as "Jupiter", "Galactica" and finally "Columbia" (and Columbia Refit") through canon storytelling. I'll try finding the sources again and send you the links. Greetings Ice
@@icemang.9981 I'm more familiar with the 'block' designations where 'block 3' introduced a Jupiter class that didn't need to retract it's flight pods. Maybe we're referring to the same thing by different designations?
@@icemang.9981 lol this video is named Mercury Class and it is talking about Pegasus. What are you talking about?
"Over-gunned refit" No such thing, until you start hitting your neighbor's barrels with yours.
I feel like if you and your neighbor start "touching barrels" you may indeed have some spacing issues.
Nonsense! If that becomes a problem it's simply a matter of training to overcome!
Lee Adama should have been thrown out of the airlock for loosing Pegasus.
Yeah, I know show is named after the old "Bucket", but Pegasus was rightly nicknamed the "Beast".
There is a rule in fiction that you don't give a character a laser powered rocket sledgehammer that crushes all foes because it removes all tension if everything they do from then on becomes a formality. You only ever give one to fix one, maybe two problems and then take it away.
The Galactica took a huge beating during the show and continued on. You can call it the "bucket" but it has a personality like a beast.
@@Necromonger69 "Bucket" and "Beast" were their official nicknames from the show.
@@bradulovic82 I know
@@rotwang2000 Laughs in DBZ. One could go to the other extreme:
Villain: "I have gained a greater power than YOURS!"
- one episode later -
Hero: "No, I have gained a greater power THAN YOURS!"
- one episode later -
Villain: "NO! I have gained a greater POWER THAN YOURS!"
-repeat-
15:07 "My face is my shield" cracks me everytime! Hahahahahahah.
The Mercury class Battlestars and the Mark VII Vipers would have curbstomped the Cylons in a fair fight. Which is why they had to sneaky-stabby the humans with the hacking attacks.
The Mercury class was certainly far more powerful than the Jupiter Class… but a single Cylon heavy raider loaded with a nuclear weapon could have destroyed a Mercury with little effort.
The Mercury is an extremely powerful ship, but the Cylons could more or less BEAM nukes into the flight pods with their precision jump capabilities
@@Matt-yg8ub, the Pegasus took multiple direct nuclear hits and still managed to blind jump to safety. BSG armor is INSANE.
@@enoughothis As the smug scientist once said… take a firecracker lite it off in your hand what happens? You burn your hand…. Now take that same firecracker, close your fist around it and light it off….Your wife’s gonna be opening your ketchup bottles for you for the rest of your life.
A nuke hitting the armor belt from the exterior is vastly different than a nuke exploding inside the flight pod.
@@Matt-yg8ubIndeed, due to nukes being omnidirectional blast weapons at most 40% of the nukes energy will be directed at the ship. And that with a contact detonation.
👌😎👍Very cool and very nicely greatly well done and informatively explained and executed in every detail way shape and format provided on all and everything on and about the Mercury Class Battlestars, A job very fabulously well done indeed Sir's!.
This video is amazingly well done.
Now even more then before, I cannot watch the Battle of New Caprica without lamenting the UTTER WASTE of a Mercury Class battlestar (i.e. the greatest single asset humanity had in its arsenal at that moment; not to mention the absolute perfect ship for their situation).
Let’s be honest. From a tactical standpoint, Galactica was the battlestar to lose. It was falling apart and had to held together by a mixture of patchwork and pure faith. Pegasus allowed the Fleet to resupply its reserves and provided a formidable wall of steel between them and the Cylons.
20:50 Its more satisfying than you think. Remember you rarely fight 1 Cylon Raider. Killing 4,000 Raiders with one missile. Oh the dopamine.....
Fun thing, with meters of armor you would be able to tank a nuke that wasnt producing a shockwave. Nukes would be devastating if inserted into the enemy like a W23 naval round inside the armor, but exploding on their surface they actually wouldnt be to terribly effective against a sledge like the Mercury.
The temperature in the core of our sun is usually cited at 15 million degrees Celsius or so. Some mid-sized thermonuclear test detonations done by the old Soviet Union and the USA have been recorded at (if only very briefly) 200 or even 300 million degrees Celsius. That will vaporize the thickest of armor if it's a near miss or direct hit.
Don't believe what a science fiction tells you about physics. Especially one that is not attempting to be realistic.
Shockwave formation in low density environments are destructive.
For example, the shock can be propagated by photons interacting with electrons, by a distribution of high energy particles or by magnetic effects. So, shock waves are actually quite common in space. Interplanetary shock waves can occur due to solar flares. ‘Bow shocks’ are formed by the interaction of the solar wind with planetary magnetospheres. Supernovae create powerful shocks, both within the star collapsing to form the explosion and also moving through the interstellar medium itself. Interstellar shocks can also occur simply by the collision or collapse of gas clouds. Black holes, high-density objects such as pulsars, as well as merging galaxies (and even just the motion of galaxies themselves) are also known to form shock waves of various forms.
You forgot to state that the pegasus has refinery and factory that could assemble vipers
It was a long time since the Colonials seen the Cylon as a real threat. They spent more time fighting each other in petty squabbles as they did Cylons during that war. Of course the Colonials were moving back to a linked computer system mindset because it gave you a HUGE edge in a battle. You wouldn't make a modern day Battleship be just like the low tech World War 2 Battleships of old.
The colonies couldn’t afford to concede cyber warfare……if the writers had wanted to be halfway realistic they could have easily leveraged the precision of Cylon Jump tech to deliver nukes directly to the interior of a battlestar’s flight pods.
The cylon didn’t need to infiltrate the colonies and hack into their defense systems, they could have legitimately defeated the entire colonial military in short order simply using kamikaze Heavy Raiders loaded with nukes.
no they couln't because the battlestars were modified for this contingency with almost impenatrable point defences. @@Matt-yg8ub
Just stumbled on this channel, love the stuff you guys have made. Going through the backlog now, and look forward to more!
The divine team.
How many point defense guns?
Yes.
Is this enough?
more.
Now?
Takes a deep drag. MORE.
My resin Pegasus model was (pretty sure) the first lighted model of a Pegasus. It has been posted on multiple websites and won many awards in model competitions. It was made from the Bamm Bamm Productions resin kit and has almost 200 feet of fiber optic thread in it. Yeah, I really like the Mercury class!
Great Video! Such an awesome ship! I would love to see the next BSG series create an alternate timeline where they detect the cylon virus before the attack happens and remove it. When the cylons attack the virus fails and we get to see what an actual war looks like with all the most modern ships.
The colonials probably would have stomped the Cylons. In cannon lore one of the reasons the Cylons started the war the way they did was because they believed it was imposible for them to win against the Colonials vast fleet. Any conventional war would result in the Cylons extermination.
@@scienceinsanity6927 Yup probably, so they would have to make some changes to the cylon fleet to make it more of a fight.
Battle star series did create ships that at least look like something we'd build, minus the artificial gravity and jump engines, both currently beyond our science or known laws of physics. SG1 basically took the same approach to their ships, of course they added shields which are not beyond our science. Although, we've not been able to engulf objects larger than a few atoms. The concept has been proven, energy needs are insane, and the radiation would cook the crew. Other than that, we're golden.
Babylon 5 came closest to what we could build with current technologies and known science.
I believe mankind will overcome all these barriers. I wish I could live to see it, to travel between the stars, to know if we are truly alone. Damn, medical science, where's my android body already.
Hello....ready to sell your soul to the demiurge. Sign here.😂
There’s no reason other than the plot for Lee to have lost the Pegasus. Heck he took out a Basestar in the opening volley. Yet somehow he pilots it soo badly that it gets destroyed. In any other battle it’d have taken all them on and barely got a scratch. Yet somehow within a few moments it’s blown to bits. Nope this was writers needing something to happen. When in any conceivable way this shouldn’t have happened.
The show is called "Battlestar Galactica" and not "Battlestar Pegasus" and I think that is the only reason for it. Fat Adama should've been court marshalled for throwing it away for a broken down Museum ship and his dad.
Very correct. The Pegasus should have wiped the floor with those baseships. It was disgusting seeing Lee Dumbass sacrifice the Pegasus.
Let’s all be honest, if you want the writers to be realistic….. Who needs a cinematic space battle when the cylon precision jump technology allows them to just load a Nuke in the back of a heavy raider, jump it straight into the flight pod and destroy any Battlestar in the Colonial fleet damn near effortlessly.
Even against the advanced AI of the Cylons it still took Baltar's lust to give them the backdoor. Thankfully the Cylons were not networked to each other except for the Final Five when they did their zen thing.
Gentlemen, that was a lot of fun to listen to, well produced.
12 fixed cannon. There are two each in the flight pods as well .
I always saw the Mercury as a glass canon like the Minerva in Deadlock. Every time it tangled with the cylons, it would rack up damage pretty quickly and lose hundreds of its crew.
Galactica gets hit with a nuke, walks it off.
The bigger they are, the easier they are to destroy. The Cylons being machines with extremely precise jump drives could literally spam Any colonial Battlestar with heavy raiders loaded with nukes.
The Wraith found a way to keep Stargate command from beaming nuclear weapons into their hives, but I highly doubt that the colonials had any way of preventing the Cylons from jumping Raiders into the flight pods.
The mercury is the tank it was meant to replace the jupiters but with a lot more stuff on it. In the show it tanked 3 nukes I think.
@@Kestrel-ws3cg Three nukes at the same time? As far as I recall, each time it went up against the Cylons, there were a lot of casualties. Take the battle of New Cap. Galactica was getting hammered, once Pegasus showed up, it managed to get it's jump drive online and escape. Pegasus was there for only a short time and couldn't. I really think it's a glass cannon.
@@CrazyNights1015 in that case, there was some bad decision-making but usually, the mercury class can tank multiple nukes albeit heavily damaged but it is not defenseless
Me: about to comment how no sci-fi faction would use nukes for point defense.
Also me: remembers that some 40k lore hints that the Imperium of Man uses nukes as part of it’s point defense.
Per "Caprica", the 'Cylons' were not rogue Ais. The 'Cylons' were simulations of persons. Want a better 'Cylon' raider pilot? Simulate the Red Baron and download a copy into each 'Cylon' raider. The Colonials had to crush their better pilots to prevent the 'Cylons' from becoming more powerful, crushing persons, such as William Adama. Better pilots were a threat to the civilization of the Colonies of Kobol. So great pilots, such as William Adama were repressed, with no remorse.
At some point you should do some Andromeda ships. If only for the bad ass ship class names and the nova bombs.
Liked and subscribed because that was worth the listen.
I remember when the Pegasus was introduced. I busted a nerdgasm in my pants right then and there 😅
Oh and that 74 tubes. it can launch them basically all at once. Takes less than 30 seconds to vomit out 74 fighters.
plus raptors. The Mercury class is fitted with raptor launch tubes
@@ancaplanaoriginal5303 forgot about those.
You should watch the original Battle Star Galactica. They got the guy who played Sparticus and Patton to be her captain and the Peagesus was a monster despite being identical to the Galactica in the original.
I think it was Lloyd Bridges ( father of Jeff Bridges ) he was in high noon , aeroplane 28:19 , and hot shots
Kirk Douglas' ( Michael Douglas) father was spartcus, and patton was played, but George c Scott ..
He was junior to adama , but the greatest military commander of the colonial military and commander of the 5th fleet ( the living legend) adama was like admiral of the fleet .
George C Scott, who played Patton, was not the Pegasus Commander. Loyd Bridges played him - think the movie Airplane.
Lorn Greene (Bonanza) was Adama.
21:00 Genie Air-to-Air missile moment
Ahh still remember my ride in Pegasus while playing Battlestar Galactica Online.
Too bad that it didn't got to see the end of the show. It was a pretty ship.
All Hail the great and awesome Slug-Emperor of Dune!
Mercury's escorted by Valkyrie's is a beautiful sight only seen on Battlestar Galactica: Deadlock and then only in the non-story arena mode. Shame, that. I'm always down to seeing both of those whenever possible. Shame also that we didn't get one of the Warstar class ships in that game. Warstar Hades was the massive flagship of the Colonial fleet from what I read. Made the Mercury class look small.
I did always think it was odd that they essentially only had 2 types of combat aircraft.
You have the vipers, which gonna viper. Basically the end all fighter.
(Yeah, they had a stealth recon version too.)
Then you have the raptor. A scifi huey, and occasional gunship. That tracks.
But its also an EW platform, tanker, c and c, and a few other things that escape me at the moment.
It just feels weird that they would never have hit on the concept of a purpose built specialist plane.
Somehow they had a maxed out corydora that can do everything, anytime, for any reason.
(And FR, they look like cory cats. Google it.)
On two occasions pegases ( was hit by four nuclear torpedoes / missiles) two duel detonations at scorpia Fleet yrad. And in an ambush.( 3 basestars ) and a 5th. ( 5 hits total) and survived. ( bit with hundreds of casualties. 700 ish on the first battle)
Great video, thx for your engagement and your work. Btw, I don't know if it was mentioned before that the Battlestar Galactica was not a Mercury-Class BS, the "Galactica" was a Columbia-Class or Columbia-Class Refit Battlestar Type (I don't know exactly). Perhaps someone knows, thx in advance for such an information.
Thx again for your great work. I wish you all a happy new year. Greetings from Germany 🙂
P.S.: For the fans of computer games --> the game "Sins of a Solar Empire-Rebellion" got a really great mod called "BSG - The fall of Kobol". You find nearly every ship class, including the frigates, cruisers and the Titan-Class Battlestar of the BSG-Universe in this game-mod. As far as I know and found sources about those ships presented are categorized "Canon".
Nuclear weapons in space don't do as much damage as on a planet. The nuke needs to burrow into a ship tp give maximum damage to a ship. A nuke exploding on the hull of an armored ship only gives 1/8 energy connection to the ship including hard radiation. This is because the nuke explodes in an spear shape with most of the radiation not hitting the ship. Shape charges in warheads would be more useful hitting a ship.
The armor...you could definitely bounce a 22 cal. off of it .
Something I have been wondering for some time is how people would think a Colonial fleet would go in the Babylon 5 universe.
Probably par with Earthforce or the Narn, or many younger races; sliced to ribbons by any ship with a stronger beam weapon.
@@Reepicheep-1 about what i was thinking
Sheridan vs Adama. That would be the ultimate battle.
@@vidfan1701 i can imagine the level of your toast if the Colonials joined forces with the Interstellar Alliance and teched up to that level.... The horror of even a Jupiter with Minbari weapons and Whitestar armor...
@@boewolf359That would be the end of B5. No doubt. We could also ponder Adama, after the tech up, going to earth to deal with Clark. That would alter the balance of power in the galaxy.
You may have run into a myltible launch system, some tanks like the sherdin and a few soviat could launch missiles via the gun, so you have 10 deadicated missile tubes, and 80 +n gauss weapons, that may be able to also launch ,issiles, that would acount for the figers you have given in braoud. Leona
Wow, I didn't know that bit at the end. Pegasus is all that much more cooler for being so self sufficient. But I still simp pretty hard for Galactica. I just really like its slimmer sleaker design over the bulky mercury class ships. Also, I feel like the real capabilities of the jupiters and the mercury class ships aren't really flushed out in the game deadlock.
Thanks!
At 25:14, you mention the two bow engines in your video, they were seen firing in Battlestar Galactica: Razor during the attack on the Shipyards. In the RUclips video, Battlestar Galactica: Razor | Hit The Ground Running, ( ruclips.net/video/vwsK-dJ1drs/видео.html ) it shows the front two main engines firing up and starting their burn to get Pegasus out of the space dock during the initial Cylon attack. They're strong enough to break the docking arms that were still holding Pegasus. You can get an idea on just how maneuverable this thing is, as big / bulky as it is, as it just starts getting away from the shipyard.
I see you and I totally get Mercury hype... but I cannot help myself to love Galactica/Jupiter so much more. The old girl got some waist!
The big guns are called spinal mounts.
13:30 Well a Nuke in Space is a LOT less effective than in Atmosphere. Sure you have a miniature short-lived star, but you loose the Blast Pressure Wave. I wonder how they would handle a Casaba Howitzer or a Nuclear Pumped Laser?
😁
Not well.
@@librarian5657 likely not. :D
Lee sacrificing the Pegasus was soooo stupid. Just sayin 🤗
They should have been sent in together to support one another.
Problem is Galactica couldn't ahve done what it did. Sure the Beast could have been saved, but at the cost of Galactica + most of the rest of humanity. It was a noble way for her to go out.
@@misha5670 If I was Adama I would have transferred my flag to the Pegasus. It was a far superior ship, but then they would have to change the title of the show 🤣🤗
@@may86bearno one was watching. They moved to Euekia instead.
The coolest looking ship that had the worst commanders ever...Also the Jupiter (Galactica specifically) had ribs exposed because they were stripping the plates off as it was being converted into a museum.
Nukes don't do much in space. Theres nothing for the shock wave to travel through in a vacuum, so it's like throwing TNT at a solid cube of steel: it'll make a big bang, but won't do much damage to the armour.
It depends on what type of nuke the range at which they denoate from the ship
Love the fact you can drift this thing
That's hilarious when they said star trek was one of the oldest when starship troopers was released as a book in 1959 I believe
HOw is it you are not aware of the fully armoured Jupiter class in the 1st Cylon War, You need to check out Blood & Chrome.
Pegasus was equipped with what was called a V.I. (Virtual Intelligence) that pushed VERY close to being in violation of the laws regarding Artificial Intelligence. Basically a string of commands, or a firewall away from being declared illegal by the Colonial Government and especially the Adar Administration. It was said he was a staunch traditionalist during his tenure as Caprica City's Mayor. He also made the ill fated decision not to mandate FTL drives for all Colonial ships. Because of this, tens of thousands more died needlessly due to lack of FTL jump ability.
Speaking of which, it was also said the Pegasus had a FAR more capable jump ability than any other Battlestar up to that date. Capable of jumping beyond the "Red Line" and going into unexplored space. This ship would have been the one to keep during the long voyage of Galactica and it's fleet. Also, and this is non-canonical, it was said to be selected after Galactica's decommissioning to testbed the new "Jump missiles/FTL warheads". Missiles that could have jumped to a preselected target and just basically obliterate a ship light years away. And also, since Pegasus was more than a mile long, it had full Viper VII/Raptor/Foundry and factory capability as long as resources could be found. And finally, some of the best research and development labs available off colony. So newer technology could not only be fitted, but developed and implemented as well off planet. The first of a well rounded Battlestar/Exploration ship that could have been the herald for a new age of Starship development for the United Colonies of Kobol.
Why did they not go out of phase.😮
Steve needs to be tied down and forced to watch all the Dune media... I mean that in the nicest way possible.
11879 meters. The variety in size is painful. The galactica was over 1.25 miles
The unnecessary sacrifice of this fantastic ship by Apollo was a sin.
So much mass it's got it's own gravity.
The only bit of dune I ever saw was back in the early eighties at the tender age of four when not only was it my dad's ancient sci-fi, but it was the scene where some grotesque fat man flew around a room seemingly by the power of his own farts. I never even knew Patrick Stewart was in that movie until after the next generation finished airing.
Where did the screenshot of the Mercury Class Battlestar Cerberus come from????
Do a video on the Nova Class Battlestar, this is the FIRST I have heard of that class!!!!!
My favorite sci-if ship of all time.
Hmmmm still needs more Dakka 😂😂
What's everybody's thoughts on a new TV show set in the universe of Battlestar Galactica but it is on board a Mercury class Battlestar that we follow and that the premise starting out is that it's a battle star that was on long-range deep space assignment and it returns slightly early because it's not receiving any more communication updates from Colonial commands so it returns to see what's going on only to find out Humanity has been wiped out and they think that they are all that is left of humanity and they go in search of not only a new home to live on but for Revenge revenge against the cylons and on top of that it all takes place happening after the events of Battlestar Galactica so then this new Battlestar a Mercury class it's Journey starts after the end of Battlestar Galactica ended. Call it Battlestar Zues
The Galactic used its capital killer missiles in the old show and they were big as hell and they used two on each base stars and blew them to dust.
With script writers that did not know the real advantage the mercury had over the base stars
Oh they do know, that why they had to get rid of it.
Mercury Class can build their own viper and Ammo
Someone pointed out that in the battle of the Resurrection Ship, the Pegasus uses cyberwarfare during battle. If you look closely you can see Cylon missiles arcing away from the Pegasus as their targeting systems are intercepted and interrupted.
Right, I noticed that way back. They were using some sort of ECM.
Or they were using decoys
Not something that should have been possible given the massive disparity between Colonial and Cylon technology.
I've read that the reason the Galactica was missing segments was because they used her armor for newer ships since she was no longer in service. They even mention that in the pilot when discussing the ship being turned into a museum. There is a good view of the BS Columbia before she was destroyed, ruclips.net/video/IfyNUhomMoU/видео.html at 0:34+ that shows what a Jupiter II looked like during the first Cylon war. Did you watch Razor? If you didn't it's worth a watch.
I love the Mercury Class Battlestar, the Pegasus is my favorite ship in Sci Fi.
Love your videos. Steve ruins the excitement and pace.
Id love to KNOW HOW THE ENGINES WORK....LIKE how STAR TREK BREAKS their shit down.
1 aa = say 5m that's gimbles and barrels swing room.
1600/5 = 320
That's 320 AA guns per gun troth. Looks like at least 4 troths 1280 AA guns. If each troth has 2 rows of AA then 2560AA is posible.
Why did they sacrifice the Beast instead of the Bucket?
thats what adama was doing lee screwed it up
The Mercury class reminds me a bit like the New British Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers which are built to have much smaller crews but are still massive carriers.
HOW is the Mercury NOT THE BIGGEST Battlestar in canon????
Because in canon the largest or biggest Battlestar is the Titan-Class Battlestar. Twice the size of a Mercury-Class with 560 Vipers (aka 21 Viper Squadrons) and 140 Raptors.Ten were planned, 4 got comissioned in the original Titan-Class. 6 postponed until further refinements in the design, resulting in the Stryker-Subclass. Interpreting the sources only 3 were build.
You mentioned the "Emperor of Mankind." The Emperor protects!
He sounds like bricky from adeptus podcast
Would not be too difficult to armour a ship from the blast of a Nuke in space tbh. Its in a vacuum. Nuclear blasts, like all blasts, do not propagate in a vacuum. Period. They do not. It requires an ATMOSPHERE to propagate the blast effects of a nuclear weapon, and last time I looked the vastness of space was kind of lacking an atmosphere....
Radiation effects? Now thats a different story, but then several metres of armour would do just nicely to stop any radiation entering the internals of the ship....
The ONLY time a nuke would work against a space ship, is if you managed to get one to penetrate the vessel then detonate when there is still enough atmo inside to propagate the blast. Otherwise... forget it. Not happening.
In my eyes, they should have stripped the Galactica of anything useful and give her a proper burial. Then combine the 2 crews on the Pegasus to make her 100% ready for every situation.
I understand why they couldn't in the show, but we all know at this point the Galactica was 50 years old, stripped of most weapons and armor, plus she was in a general bad shape.
He needs to see the 1980s, 1990s, miniseries or the movie sections that are being filmed now and should come out as a total of three parts for the first Dune book.
You do know that any of the Enterprises from the NX-01 up to the J and beyond, especially when you get to the Enterprise-E, can one shot any Battle or Warstar right? Just saying. Nukes don't faze shields, and the hull can withstand multiple hits from antimatter weapons. One Quantum torpedo will one shot any ship in the Battlestar universe. And I still absolutely love Battlestars!
The entire Ohio class SSBNs can field like 2000 nukes, and they are just 12 submarines, why is it so crazy to think a single 1.6km long battlestar could field enough nukes to wipe out a planet?
Really good point!
If it's 1.6 km long wouldn't it be easier to say it's a mile long?
Pegasus looks alot like the og Galatica which i like
What did these vessels do for DEFLECTION? BUT 3,000 PERSONEL.....FOR A SHIP A MILE LONG, IS LIKE 5 PEOPLE ON A standard forty foot school bus.
You are wrong about Cylons. Each one of the toasters was based on D Zoeys personality..at least in Caprica.
They were great warships. Too bad the cylons brought a different war to their doorstep
how many wings for the fighters onboard
Watching this video makes me regret once again how disappointed that they cut away from the Battle of the Resurrection Ship to show Lee floating around dying since he forgot to put some duct tape in his pocket. The rest of that battle was awesome.
as a texan The answer is still yes.
Slug Emperor is Love. Slug Emperor is Life.
Sidenote: A handgun is also often called a pistol or sidearm. The defining characteristic of a handgun is that you can hold and wield it effectively with one hand. These days, most military style assault rifles (including the AR-15) have a pistol grip, which just means that the grip is nearly at a right angle to the stock and barrel, to help the wielder absorb recoil during rapid fire, but they are still classified as long guns. Basically nobody is trying to restrict the sale of handguns.
Absolutely agree that the Mercury class is beautiful.
embraces bureaucracy, ignorant of 2a, nice ship. tl:dr version.
mercury is nice though
@@MymMars some bureaucracy is necessary if you want to live in a nation.
@@80s_Boombox_Collector some. Have you ever thought about how much bureaucracy that there is behind everything. And that the government more or less gets a free check written to just spend as much as it feels like or say that it spent as much as it felt like yet under deep dives and investigations we constantly find people who took their positions of trust in bureaucratic power to feather their own nest at the cost and expense of the taxpayer. Defense spending though necessary is a spot where you could definitely see where our budget far exceeds what the cost probably is. Let's assume you paid every member of the are active military $100,000 a year which we most certainly don't and let's assume that our current military is 1.2 million strong. That comes to 120 billion dollars. And yet we have a 1 trillion per year budget. Did we spend that much on fuel did we get that many more tanks for that many more planes every single year? The best way to look at bureaucracy is just like human resources at your local job they don't like you or care about you and they only care about themselves and the company The moment that you prove to be a liability in any way they will not only cut ties but also make sure that you're set with the bill. Earlier references were to the ATF redefining what it thought things were which it's not able to and in fact it's getting difficult to accept that some people are more than willing to redefine things altogether and close their eyes when they are met with a straight fact in front of them. There are people in society that ignore established fact and choose to recognize a reality of their own creation. Some of these people are thieves and criminals some of these people are considered to be insane. some of these people are in Congress.
@@MymMars The same is true with businessmen. Tons of them try to line their pockets unethically or without being straight with the customer, giving them products laced with toxins or polluting the environment. Or not doing shit except delegating work on down, while the line workers make 200 times less than they do. Or claiming a vacation as a business expense when they only had one 2-hour meeting with a client. And I'm not sure what you're referring to with the ATF. I don't believe it was them who came up with the definition of "assault weapons". I believe it was Congress who came up with that.
An AR-15 is NOT an "assault rifle".
Assault rifles are capable of select fire and/or full auto fire and have been illegal for general purchase by private civilians without a special ATF tax stamp since 1986.
An AR-15 is a sport or hunting rifle depending on barrel length.
How did it have enough space to store the ammunition?
I wonder what its dorsal and ventral firing arcs are?? If it wants to drift fire slide in a toaststars blind spot.
How many decks?