STOP Using Handlebar Tape
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- Опубликовано: 1 апр 2023
- Why I'm switching away from adhesive handlebar tape.
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fun fact, I've been wrapping bars top to bottom for years. no need for tape on the top to keep it affixed and I find that it grips my hand better. Also, for those who deal with hand fatigue who want to avoid gel inserts may I suggest using an old innertube? cut out the valve, tape it into place, make multiple tight wraps until you get to the end of the bar, cut off excess, use some tape to keep it in place and wrap with your preferred bar tape, works very well.
Great tips!
Fixing to put new bar tape on mine….may do this
Depending on how aggressively you grip your bars and where you like to hold the handlebar often, wrapping bars top to bottom tends to leave it more vulnerable to getting unwrapped/rolling over itself from use
That's a great idea
It seems so simple now that you mention it.
There are many manufacturers that use a sticky silicone strip instead of the typical adhesive on the back. Supercaz, Fabric, Specialized, and PRO are tapes that I have used. However, they cost more than the traditional ones.
Does seem to be a product solving a problem that's already solved and I 'd rather have a silicone bar tape with cushioning if I'm riding gravel. Cinelli's gel cork handlebar tape is comfortable, can be re-wrapped and is like $10 a pack
I think the other problem with typical bar tape is that it stretches so once you unwrap it it will never wrap nicely again because some parts are stretched more than others
BBB FlexRibbon is my go to, It looks like the popular "PU" coated tapes but it stretches like cork/silicone/EVA, has the silicone strip rather than sticky tape, lasts ages, supper grippy, and cheap. They do a GravelRibbin to that's more cushy too if you need it. (Not RaceRibbon though that's totally different and crap).
Even most cheap cork take I've bought is just a silicone bead and not a super sticky adhesive.
@@MarlowWhere A lot do seem to be moving away from the adhesive type.
Just an FYI - those of you that have Aluminum handlebars should probably take the tape off once in a while to make sure you can get the bars clean. The salt from your sweat will corrode the bars if left unchecked for an extended length of time causing bar failure.
Wrenching in a shop, Ive seen salty corroded bars so bad, the bars fell apart when removing the tape. Unbelievably spooky how some folks ignore their rides.
Especially after turbo trainer season.
Interesting, but what? I've been riding many years and have never seen this happen on any of my bikes. I do live in Colorado where it is pretty dry. But I've never seen any sign of this kind of corrosion. Maybe you guys are just extra salty?
@@erics9214 it's more of an indoors problem in my experience. Outside, the sweat evaporates quicker
@@erics9214 Some folks just sweat like crazy. Sweat drips all over the front of the bike. Salt is great for corroding metal. I've seen it so bad the stem and headset parts were practically welded together. It's bad! Our hands can sweat hard too. As a mechanic, I see over a thousand bikes go through my stand every year. So I see most weird issue with bicycles.
Isopropyl works to get tape gunk off bars. I'm diggin this non-tape tape, like that you dont need electrical to "seal" it at the end and rubber undercoat is a really great idea for bar grip. Rubber band ribs on bars could also be a workaround with actual bar tape-tape if you don't wanna stick the adhesive.
Been using Grepp for a year or two now. Always tinkering on my bikes, and it's just so handy that you can re-use this basically an infinite number of times. No fraying to speak of at all. There is some discolouration (I have both the black and rain drum (brown) colours), but that's basically cool patina anyway. The only downside is that it is so darn durable and reusable that you better make sure you get the right colour, cause there's not going to be a reason to replace it for a loooong time once you have it. Would love to see some patterns, like a collab with Campandgoslow would be epic...
Just like what we had in the 1960s and 70s. Serfas sells a woven tape.
I was thinking the same thing amd always liked installing backwards, but the wrap won't last long.
Long live the retro-grouch
Looks like nice tape. Seems like since since you had so much extra tape you could have increased the overlap to make it a little bit more cushioned.
The extended length alone looks like a benefit of this stuff. Starting from the top and working down means you might not reach the end and have enough material to get it locked down, but this seems like no problem.
Awesome product from the looks of it. I've always used newbaums wrapped over cork or gel tape for the added cushion but that nice cotton feel. And always wrapped from the top for aesthetics
Good idea to solve an ongoing issue and it looks nice too.
I see someone else reported using old inner tubes, a good reuse option. I used to get rubber wrap from a hardware store meantvfor hammer wrapping. It wirked great, had cushion and could be reused. Downside it was onlynin black.
Thanks for continuing to seek out fixes for annoying and expensive bike issues
Uni student in Chile, poor as fuck, used old inner tube as bar tape for like 3 years, a little stiff on the hands and it would stain them with black rubber, but worked like a charm using gloves, eliminating both problems.
10/10 I completely recommend it if you´re broke like I was, Even so, when given the chance I´ll try it again and covering it with a second "normal" bar tape for the extra cushion
I love the idea of this, and would 100% get on it if I rode with Curly bars. I do use tape on my butterfly bars, but I put some brooks cambium tape on them years ago and haven't needed to change it, but I can swap out controls without de-taping. Great looking product, designed reusability in a product is edgy AF in this day and age
Alternative to gel inserts, I’ve been using punctured butyl tubes to much success in adding more cushion to my bars.
Do you patch the puctures before you put it on the handlebars? 😵💫
@@petermurk9456 YES. Just to make sure my sweat doesn’t make through and corrode my alu bars. 😉
Looks like a great product! Makes so much sense, and really pleased to see it's available from Alpkit in the UK. Consider wrapping the bars in an old inner tube before using the tape to add a "little" cushioning.
I like this one. I’ll check it out on my next build, with gels of course. Thanks for sharing.
I've used old inner tubes before. Worked great.
Same, its a good use for an old tube.
For an under-layer, or as the actual bar tape?
@@matt.3.14 The bar tape, not under layer. It never looked pretty but worked okay.
@@yarryrob Only downside in my experience is that it can leave black markings on your hands/gloves. No biggie, it washes off, but something to be aware of.
What a cool idea. I'm going to try it out. I love repurposing things. I don't really care what it 'looks like' either. Function> form. Cycling is supposed to be a green sport anyways.
I've had really good luck with Bontrager Gel Cork bar tape, the adhesive isn't super-duper sticky, and it unwrapped and re-wrapped very well one year after I initially installed it. For sub $20 tape it's hard to do any better.
The Wolf Tooth supple tape is amazing as well, no adhesive and very thick for cushioning.
Wrapping top-down is a no-go for me. When the tape is wrapped top-down, you'll end up with the overlap facing the wrong way (up), meaning the overlap will tend flip over after some use, particularly around the brake hoods. Been there, done there, even got the T-shirt. Also, the tape seems to not be stretchy, which will make a nice installation harder and perhaps even frustrating.
If you don't like the adhesive, take it out before you use the handlebar tape. Most adhesives are just narrow double-side tape. Or get handlebar tape that has non-adhesive silicone backing.
This is a great product, reusable, washable, no sticky guage, the future of bar tape! They’d be smart if they had an option for including gel pads with the product. I’m gonna look for this for my vintage Bianchi which needs new tape.
I am about to change my bar tape but have already bought the standard stick stuff. Will certainly look out for this on my next change of tape.
I had some Lorica h'bar tape made by TTT that lasted for over a decade on a couple bikes. Lorica is synthetic leather, like what Sidi uses for their shoes. It used no adhesive. This tape showed great durability during cross racing, crashing, 'learning from mistakes' and off-road touring. You can still find it. I reinstalled mine countless times.
Stitch on leather tape is also extremely durable. It's a quite a bit more effort to install though and more permanent. Quite costly too.
If you know what you're doing, you don't need the adhesive on h'bar tape. Especially when you change bar set ups lots. Practice makes perfect. Just don't remove the backing tape and stretch it on tight as it's installed. It's easily reusable if you're careful. I reuse tape over and over if it's not torn.
I like rubberized tape like Bikesmart's Skyline. Nice durable tape that's affordable.
If it tears from some rough play, no biggy. It's inexpensive.
I've had relatively good experience recently with Brooks Cambium: had to redo it after about a month, and it was both not deformed and not too sticky. Also really like how grippy and cushioned it is. Thought about the grepp, but I'm very sensitive in my palms and wrists and feared that even with pads underneath it would be too hard
I had some cloth tape from BTP. It was pretty durable. After a crash, I replaced it not because it was too shredded -- it was just a little shredded -- but because of all the blood on it. I didn't think of laundering it.
Thanks! Have been curious about those for a while.
This looks interesting, thanks for reviewing it. I’ve been using Bontrager and Enve tape for years and both can be reused numerous times. Enve for the win.
yeah most tapes can. he’s smoking something.
In the old days we always wrapped our bars with part of the brake lever clamp showing. I don't remember ever needing to grip the bars where the little gap was in the tape. But times have changed and aesthetics are important.
I'd be concerned wrapping the "wrong" way means riding in the drops degrades the tape. There's a reason you start from the bottom.
For future reference - use red scotch-brite pads to knock off the stuck bits on your bars. The red has abrasives, the white ones are nonabrasive, the grey ones are in between, and the green is super aggressive. You can also spray a small amount of citrus cleaner on to help it go a little faster.
some acetone and 800 grit sandpaper works great too.
Lighter Fluid works great..
@@kevinmoorejr.9418
Yes to this. A good citrus cleaner works wonders. I use De-Solv-It
you put some contact cleaner (hexane) and wipe, done
Great video. I agree on how un reusable the new stuff is. What I do when I am setting a bike... so I may need to undo de tape... I use an inner tube. cut in half... it is great!!! and free... an to add cushioning, I use inside before putting the inner tube tape a piece of foamy materials... no too thick or a pice of old handelbar tape. you can also put it doble (the inner tube tape but two paces) or play with how much tension you use yo put it in place.
I may try this kind of tape in the future. Thanks.
Really cool idea, going to check this out
Great idea! I've been spending the last 3 months developing a break and gear lever connecrtion link to allow hanledbar swap-outs and almost ready to look for manufacture!!
One can wrap bottom up from the bar ends to the hoods and then top down from the stem to the hoods, hiding the cut ends under the hoods. That’s how I did it when I harlequin wrapped my bars. Come to think of it, one could go the other way round, too. You’d just have to tape or twine both ends.
Nice one! I'll try it if I can get it.
nice vid! When I wrapped my Grepp tape, I went the "normal" way - from the bar ends up to the stem, and haven't had any issues. I also overlapped quite a bit and still had plenty left, on a fairly "normal" width 46cm bar. I used a small strip of Newbaum's to finish it and hold it in place, and the adhesive on the back of that hasn't caused any problems so far. Oh, and I also found using a figure-8 pattern around the lever got rid of the gap without leaving a big bulge of tape or having to cut an extra piece.
That's perfectly fine. Wanted to highlight that both ways are working. We just adopted the other way to get rid of the finishing tape and avoid cutting the tape length. However finishing the tape with a newbaums tape is for sure a great way to make the cockpit shine and keep it clean🤙.
Was looking for a comment like this. Thanks. Because there is a reason for wrapping tape the "normal" way, especially on the top of the bars. When slyding your hands along the bars to the levers, the folds of the tape should not hinder your movement. When you wrap the tape like in the video you will constantly rub against the folds and eventually loosen the tape. But good to hear that it works the "normal" way - I think I will give this tape a try!
@@danielblume4173 if you're a fan of the feel of cloth tape, I bet you'll like it
Looks good. Thanks showing it.
That looks very pretty! It would be interesting to see how long it lasts before starting to look ratty, even after washing. I've been getting ~1200-1500 miles out of "modern" padded tape (including multiple re-wraps) before it is worn out/through. The last time I changed taped on my "good" bike I used the old (Supacaz) tape to replace the stuff on my commuter bike, I swapped sides and wrapped it so that the worn and grimy parts were underneath the cleaner previously unexposed part.
I’ve had good luck using a heat gun so “loosen up” the adhesive when removing stubborn bar tape. That said, it can still be a pretty unpleasant process on older bars so I fully support this adhesive free alternative!
A toffee wheel attachment on a drill will sort left over glue or alternatively a cheaper option is Zoff wipes more labour intensive but no scratches
Profile Drive Gel...and it's even longer than the regular Drive tape. Silicone backing, nice stretch, super easy to wrap, nice padding without being too thick.
Looks great. Wondering about compatibility with wider bars - I have 50cm Curve Walmer.
I used strips of thin closed-cell mat. Butt (edges&ends) joined with contact adhesive, plus some stick points to stop movement. Any high wear areas could be easily cut out and replaced.
Love my silicone tape without adhesive but my gloves eat up the surface. I was already thinking about adding a protective tape on top, keeping the silicone for cushion and I kind of like chunky grips.
Nice input for more sustainability. I‘ll get one. Thx chris
Grepp, where have you been all my life - I just ordered 3 sets from Crust. Awesome, awesome, awesomeness! Thanks Russ for the tip.
Enve bar tape has a silicone backer that is grippy but not sticky, allowing you to reuse it multiple times without any issues. I've rewrapped my bars 3 times now with the same roll of Enve bar tape and could easily do it again. It's got a little cushion and doesn't get slippery in the rain. Expensive, but worth it imho.
Very old school style of tape. Been out for along time but it did not have the rubber on the inside like this think ill have to get some. Just for the clasic feel and look
Just wrapped with Grepp a few days ago. Its deffo a bit hard on the hand and slightly slippery but also ride with gloves on longer rides. On commutes it doesnt matter really. Wondering what will happen when riding in rain in summer. How quickly will it dry out or feel damp. Considering its not that thick, will probably dry pretty quick in sunshine?
Got a yellow one and its for sure bright and slightly shiny at the beginning. Think of buying white sneakers and going out to the street the first day. Blinding everyone. Cant wait to get them slightly dusty and worn in. But easy to wrap and love the idea.
great video!! learned a lot. but what is that front bag support stem adaptor?
I use leather strips specific for handlebars, local production. 2 years, re-wrapped several times, no sticky glue. Under the tape, for long distance added comfort I use stripes of inner tube.
Been running this on my road bike for a while and really like it, pretty sure same color. Doesn’t seem to be discoloring as quickly as my previous celeste green tape.
This looks a bit nicer than that shiny stuff we had in the 1980s (which you also wrapped from the top) but I'll stick to padded. Cinelli cork gel and BBB are two brands I've used that usually go back on OK without leaving chunks of stuff on the handlebar.
One thing that has intrigued me is that all the videos I've seen on bike cleaning and restorations is that you never see them cleaning the handlebars if the tape is being changed.
Great to see a make of handlebar tape that doesn't have adhesive.
Well done video as always.
Stoked, bought some as soon as I saw it
I might have to give this a try. Most of the thick tape I have used eventually compresses and loses its cushion over time anyway and honestly, I never seem to miss the cush factor even without gloves.
I couldn't tell how you worked it at the hoods, but you might figure 8 it to cover the small, exposed area. Being able to figure 8 with thinner tape is also a benefit.
I can recommend 100% silicone bar tape, like ESI RTC Wrap. It only sticks to it self and is washable.
I've always just wrapper the new tape over what remnants of the ole bar tape was there with no problem. Also never had a problem re wrapping tape. Plus, with no cushioning it's a big ol no go.
I NEED THIS. I'm also fiddling with my bikes a lot and swapping parts. I buy cheap tape for that reason but it's still $20 every time I need to remove it. $34 sounds like a good deal to me.
3:22 that is actually a really useful workshop tip if you are using conventional tape!
I went back to using self-adhesive fabric tape a couple of years ago. Sure it isn't padded but I just work out where I need my padding and use scrap bits of old padded bar tape, hold them in place with electrical tape, then cover the lot with fabric tape...
I love the idea. Wish it had more cushion though. On the flip side, I’ve been using.. and reusing my Supacaz tape for 3-4 years now. If they can match the Cush I’ll swap though.
Being a fabric tape I’m wondering how it does with moisture. If you are riding and get rained on does the tape stay wet longer than a more traditional tape?
Ive never ran a drop bar, they hurt me so i just never ran them, currently running the Surly SUNRISE BAR & i love them but i still wanna set of the Jones aluminium wider bars ta try and they can be wrapped for sum dif pos along w/ grips is why this vid caught my interest💯👍
Like someone said, just like the 60s and 70s. We also started the tape at the top and stuffed the end in the bar. But my hands rubbed the exposed edge. That's how the tape was usually destroyed. I'm interested if that happens on your bike.
I like the look and the reusable part of it... I would not use it on my gravel bike for long rides, as i'm worried about padding and abrasion ; but for a daily urban commuting bike, i'll sure give it a try !
I like it, it reminds me of the Velox cloth tape we used back in the day.
Velox Tressotar is still manufactured. It's a little hard to find in colors other than black, but Velo Orange usually has some in stock.
I really like the Brooks Microfiber bar tape. There is essentially no adhesive to be worried about and can be re-wrapped pretty easily. Worth a try.
I think I might have this on one of my bikes. (I bought it used. It's some kind of Brooks non-leather tape.) Very comfortable.
Same, in my experience. Fizik and Brooks (leather and cloth) don't go to HAM with the adhesive, and are both durable enough products I can get 2 or 3 wraps out of them before it's too mangled to comply.
(al biet, after the first wrap, it never looks quite as good and will have fades and warping, but still good)
I was pleasantly surprised by some fizik tape recently when it survived an unroll an re-roll without damage from the (actually weak) adhesive.
That said, thanks for the info: the machine washable aspect will be the winner here if true -canvas bar tape as just a strip of canvas is around since donkey’s era AFAIK, I didn’t get there yet because they say it’s difficult to get clean once dirty…
I've been using Planetbike organic cotton bar tape for several years. The glue isn't as aggressive as Newbaum's, so it doesn't leave a lot of residue, and I can easily re-use it or re-wrap if I want to change quill stems. In a perfect world removable face-plate quill stems wouldn't be hopelessly out of stock, and apparently NONE OF US LIVE IN THAT WORLD. So I choose reusable cloth wraps as much as possible. I picked up some Grepp Gripper tape recently, Olivine--because I always buy grey tape and thought a change would be nice. But my frame is lilac, so it looks like I was going for a Joker-themed build, and I absolutely hate it. Now I'm hoping that I can adjust the color with amber shellac, but no one seems to be stocking that anymore. The moral of this story is buy grey or brown and that I still don't know if you can shellac the Grepp Gripper tape.
Handlebar tape is always recycled into chain stay protection in this house. The "bling-er" the chain stay, the better.
might want to try specialized roubaix tape. mine has been taken on and off three times by now, has been in the wash once and it still sticks... a bit... when dry
Very cool. This is a great idea for a product.
Put my Brooks leather bar tape on 13 years ago and treat it once a year at the same time as the saddle. I dig this though, my get some to 'try on my wife's bike'
Good channel. Solid production. Nice guy.
I haven't had that issue with bar tape. However I will try that tape. I really like the concept.
Nice! Similar to hand wraps for boxing.
I think the cool kids use to wrap with used inner tube. I haven't tried that but it is on the bucket list. Once I've ticked that off this tape looks the go 👍
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I tried it and it's too bouncy for me. The foams do a better job of actually damping vibrations.
I like that it seems as if they don't skimp on the length. I feel like a lot of tapes are made with 42cm bars in mind.
This was good. I started watching your videos as an aid to replacing handlebars due to numb hands. Your comment about this tape not having planned obsolescence as a lot of recent bike stuff is good to know about. Nice color too. Now I just wait for the handlebars as they travel on the slow boat from China.
I broke both hands grip ND numbness an issue. I ride gravel thousands of miles yearly. My 3 gravel bikes all have the Red Shift stem that isolates my hands better than other product . Love their bars too.
@@Mosely2007 I'll keep that in mind. However as I have an old Quil type stem, I'd need an adapter. I'm on the West side of Michigan and it will soon be ideal biking weather. Hang in there.
Did you raise your handlebar height in the process? That's where I am now with wrist "nerve pain" . Thx
@@Fetherko Yes - The bars raised to the max. The handlebar is a straight bar. I tried bar ends and gel gloves, but I have too much weight on my wrists. I think with the new handlebar, I will both have less weight on the wrists as the posture will be more upright. Thx.
When installing new bar tape, I rub the adhesive side on the front tire and it becomes only mildly tacky. I've never had a problem reusing it or having residue on the bars. FWIW.
I got Ley bar tape and I love it, it looks great
Does it play nicely with bar end shifters?
I’ve been using Arundel tape for a while now that doesn’t have adhesive on it and is soft and squishy. I originally got it for the lack of adhesive.
Where can I get this in the US? The site doesn’t have the option.
Arundel synth gecko is very similar product except it's made of all rubber instead of all cloth. so it actually has cushion
Would this work with bar end shifters at all?
Just wondering what handle bars are on your bike that you just taped.
I am curious to see if this tops my current favourite cheap tape, which is old inner tubes, or my close second which is three layers of hockey tape. ... The hockey tape does have the adhesive problem and is single use.
I have Brooks leather tape, been on my bike for 10 years now, still looks like new. I use Dr. Marten's Dubbin on all my saddles and leather tape.
I had an old bike here in Brazil like 10 years ago, but the bike was from de 70's. Back then, handlebar tapes didn't have glue, you just rolled them and they stayed in place
When I worked in bike shops 1978-1984, we always started by the stem, and cut a piece to hide the triangle at the brake lever. Generally easy to finish with bar end plug, except bar-end shifters, you had to minimize the excess. Inquiring when did starting location change?
Esi silicone or wolf tooth are other options to consider
Super excited about this. I have always reused bar tape till it was really falling apart. That happens a lot with me since I lean my bike against stuff, scuffing up the side of my wide, flared drop bars. It'll be interesting to see how this tape holds up over time and scuffing. I'm pretty proud of my handlebar wrapping skills so the top down method is going to break my brain. But I do really love the idea of not having to use (or reuse like I often do) electrical tape to finish off the end of the bar tape near the stem. I'm probably going to wrap the Grepp tape super close together to give it a little cushion and I have 52 cm bars, so hopefully there's enough. But I believe Russ uses wide bars as well and it seemed like he had a ton of leftover, so I'm optimistic.
IIRC the bars in the video are Ritchey Venturemax XL, which are also 50+cm wide and flared.
I use Fizik tape and rewrap and reuse it, never had an issue with the adhesive getting extra sticky and making a mess, it also just refuses to crease no matter how I wrap. I get this tape specifically because it's super lightweight and lasts forever, it's also easy to find for less than $20. :)
Also a big fan of Zipp and MSW tapes with the gel strips, both very durable and reusable af.
Will second the Fizik (3mm tacky for me). Multiple re-wraps without issue. Lasts me 1400-1500 miles before it starts to get worn through.
ive had some tape with some type of silicone instead of glue, i was able to use it over and over long time
This stuff looks great! I just removed the cloth tape from a vintage bike from around 1975. I sprayed it down with a citris solvent, let it soak in, and then started peeling. The tape came off in long strands and small tufts of fabric, but most of the adhesive stayed on the bars. I ended up using a plastic scraper to scrape off the goopy adhesive. Yuk.
Starting at the stem and working towards the bar end is the traditional way of wrapping bar tape. I think it changed with the advent of these thick rubbery tapes that can't be easily stuffed into the bar ends. And, perhaps, because the electrical tape wrap near the stem helps hold the shift and brake cables in place? (not an issue with bikes in days gone by).
I do leatherworking often enough to keep veg tan on hand. As a result, I just cut a long strip when I need bar tape, albeit usually with a seam near the hoods. Super grippy on the hands, natural cooling when wet, lasts years of heavy use. That said...you do have to rewrap it a few times in the beginning as the leather stretches over time. And I wrap it from the top as well.
I use a gel pad underneath.
do you treat the leather tape at all ? I have leather tape that's been going on 5 or 6 years already of year-round hard commuting, that never got any oil or grease, and is still looking fine, but wonder if I should, or if there's a downside to that.
BTW, that is the way that handle bar wrap was done before the modern "tape". I still wrap all my bikes this way just to avoid using tape on the bars and I love the look.
But then the tape balls up under the weight of your hands , there's a reason they give you the short bits of finishing tape
I like the concept, but need more cushioning since I don’t always ride with gloves around town. I have found a few brands of “foam” tape that don’t have adhesive on the back - maybe PlanetBike is my one like this. It’s hard to know if it comes with adhesive or not since most manufacturers don’t say.
my 1976 Soma Competition has cloth bar grips. They are so abrasive! My hands hurt after a good climb which is obviously down to technique, but man it's rough. They are also impossible to clean. I don't ride with gloves because I'm no pro, but if you do it's a none-issue unless you're out in the rain or live in a dry dusty environment like me.
I like that stem-mounted rack. What's the info on it? Also, love the content, thank you for making it!
Much different the the camp and go slow rattler tape?