Heck ya lets go boys ! Perfect timing, im cleaning rifles and watching old episodes and tbis popped up . Thanks so much and i love the machining and manufacturing discussions
Eric, great interview. I learn so much from these talks you have with these guys about shooting related subjects. As someone who took machine shop all 4 years in HS in the early 70's I marvel at what CNC can do today. I did not stay in the machining trade very long out of HS but retain the ability to run a lathe and mill on a hobby level. I did not even know carbide existed until 73-74. HSS for most everything, Cobalt for really tough stainless back then! Boy how things changed.
It was so interesting to listen to you guys talk about the manufacturing. I got into precision rifles because of my own experiences in manufacturing and machining. One of my favorite interview yet.
Great podcast Gentlemen. I can say for certain that when people go into business because the couldnt get the product they wanted or needed, the final product is special.
0:45 ok, not even a minute in, and I'm sold on Bat(yeah I know that they're one of the best actions in the world). Based AF... I can just see mom yelling at dad now " WHERE did our son get that!!!??? I told you not to buy him a rifle!!" As dad grins and says " I didn't buy him a rifle sweetie. We built it, as a father-son project."
as an old retired toolmaker, I wish I'd gone into something like this and bought some machinery when I had the centavos. It hurts a little to pay someone to do my smith work these days but at least there's another generation fighting the good fight. 👍
I own several BAT actions and other brand name aftermarket actions as well. My BAT actions are by far the most smooth and beautiful actions ever. Trying to get my ELR heavy build done with their EXS action 💪🏻
This is why I bought a BAT Neuvo. Bruce's story about BAT's origins is what a lot of gun kids with Karen moms dreamed of. He must be an X'er: f around and find out!
I have a Whacheon lathe made in South Korea that I've been very pleased with. Basically a new copy of the Mori Seki manual lathe. I've been very, very pleased with this lathe. My model is the HL-460 which is an 18" swing X 40" travel. It's twice as heavy (and twice as expensive) as the more common Grizzly and PM lathes for gunsmithing.
Quick question. I have heard for ages that cases grip the chamber wall leaving the case web/head to expand rearward towards the boltface. In my thinking, why doesn't the case move rearward overcoming the force of the ejector (if any) therefore causing the case to grow towards the shoulder. It seems like the extreme pressure from the round (60Kish) would easily overcome any grip or influential spring pressures. Also, this parallels to chamber finish too. In my experience more polished mating surfaces are "grippier" than a rough finishes. Your thoughts gentlemen?
The case moves in every direction, but it can’t go forward and it can’t go out to the sides. The rear is the only place where there is a gap, so it goes that way. The case is also not supported in the rear, so there is nothing stopping it from moving until it hits the bolt face.
Another outstanding interview. I really enjoyed listening to this. The only way to improve this interview would have been to have Speedy present, but then it would have been a 3 hour presentation.
The Kroil to shellac is what happened to me with a BAT model B from early 2000/10's. I thought that Kroil was the key to clean, lubricate, and protect in my bolt...saw serious rub/scratch marks on the forward spring holding bevel and can't remember if it was Bruce or Daryl who said "you shouldn't use Kroil on anything that you want to work". I would also add WD-40 to that list..because it became a hardened shellac and caused interference and my accuracy deteriorated. Sent the bolt to BAT and they machined out the shellac and it shot great.
Yes on a Bat 22LR Action! A Anschutz 54.30 clonish with a better fire control with the same footprint please! And a centerfire version for 221 fireball thru 223 cases with the anschutz footprint! When do you want my deposit?
Any time I’m around Post Falls , ID I have to go by BAT Mach. Both Bruce and Daryl have given me a tour through the shop. Amazing actions and fantastic guys!😎👍
Eric what do you think of that Hart R.A.D 2a recoil system. I've been talking to Jason Avila about a stock and he mentioned it to me. So far everyone I've asked like them.
Belville washers stacked would not provide the amount of travel we currently get with a coil spring. I'm just guessing but that amount of travel (1/4"?) would need a stack near as long as the bolt and the diameter of the washers would be nearly what the bolt is. Even if you made the washers thin so the force to bend them would be possible with just a bolt handle they would not work very well. Friction between each washer in the stack would be enormous. Just the opposite of the blueprinting these guys are doing in the bolt removing friction in the firing pin travel. Years ago I posed the same question to Larry Durham about the use of belville washers in a spring piston air rifle. He said he had thought about it but cocking force would bend the barrel and the travel would be too short. Larry invented the Simple Simon PCP air rifle for Field Target which morphed into the USFT air rifle. Today at 80+ Larry still shoots bench rest matches with one of his Simple Simon guns modified for the bench rest game. So coil springs are not all that bad for powering the firing pins in our guns. Gas springs are popular in some spring piston guns but are harder to cock, are more temperature sensitive and can and do eventually leak. So they will never completely replace good ole coil springs.
What a great 30 minute interview with an hour of ads. Do something about it. This is your channel take control. Don’t let U2 fill your channel with a bunch of ads
In 83 I was working through the knight in a repair machine shop rebuilding prices that weighed 8-12 thousand pounds and the local police walked in to see if I was doing illegal work I said no I’m doing rush job for a local rock crusher and he look around a little and one small lath had a action being blue printed in it and a barrel being fitted to that action in another. He didn’t have a clue what he was looking for or at. O by the way there happend to be no serial numbers on the action either.
This whole thing about "couldn't happen today" is ridiculous to me. Stop saying that stuff and shrugging or laughing. Fix it. Take what we learned and fix it. It's up to us to make it all better and NOT taking risks is NOT the answer.
When I was in Jr. Highs school in the early ‘60s, I took a wood working shop class. It was mainly country kids and the FFA was big. At Christmas time we sold Christmas Cards and there was a contest to see who would sell the most. I won. The first prize was a Mossberg .22. I still have it. I’ll bet they don’t give out guns in schools any more!
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This content is gold.
Thanks BAT and Erik
Thanks for watching.
Wow you guys and both your companies are all stars in the game . Thank you all for what you’ve brought to our community!
Heck ya lets go boys ! Perfect timing, im cleaning rifles and watching old episodes and tbis popped up . Thanks so much and i love the machining and manufacturing discussions
Enjoy!
One of my favorites yet. More machining content would be fantastic.
Eric, great interview. I learn so much from these talks you have with these guys about shooting related subjects.
As someone who took machine shop all 4 years in HS in the early 70's I marvel at what CNC can do today. I did not stay in the machining trade very long out of HS but retain the ability to run a lathe and mill on a hobby level. I did not even know carbide existed until 73-74. HSS for most everything, Cobalt for really tough stainless back then! Boy how things changed.
It was so interesting to listen to you guys talk about the manufacturing. I got into precision rifles because of my own experiences in manufacturing and machining. One of my favorite interview yet.
As a Machinist I really enjoy this content…. Thx Eric!
Glad to hear it!
MORE MANUAL LATHE TALK
Bruce is great and builds excellent equipment. He helped me get setup in Benchrest and was key to getting a great rifle built.
Loving machine tool discussion. Being a old manual machine guy, it’s amazing how things have advanced.
Always a good day when we get a new believe the target!!!!!
Thank you.
I had the privilege of having a personal tour of BAT Machine from Darryl a year ago, amazing! Give these guys a call if you're anywhere near them.
Great podcast Gentlemen. I can say for certain that when people go into business because the couldnt get the product they wanted or needed, the final product is special.
I still use the 3L short in FTR. Never fails and extremely accurate. Speedy convinced me 10 years ago.
Bruce is an absolute genius. He's so modest but that man has some serious brain power
0:45 ok, not even a minute in, and I'm sold on Bat(yeah I know that they're one of the best actions in the world). Based AF... I can just see mom yelling at dad now " WHERE did our son get that!!!??? I told you not to buy him a rifle!!" As dad grins and says " I didn't buy him a rifle sweetie. We built it, as a father-son project."
Erik, I just love these videos. Thanks
Glad you like them!
as an old retired toolmaker, I wish I'd gone into something like this and bought some machinery when I had the centavos. It hurts a little to pay someone to do my smith work these days but at least there's another generation fighting the good fight. 👍
I own several BAT actions and other brand name aftermarket actions as well. My BAT actions are by far the most smooth and beautiful actions ever. Trying to get my ELR heavy build done with their EXS action 💪🏻
This is why I bought a BAT Neuvo. Bruce's story about BAT's origins is what a lot of gun kids with Karen moms dreamed of. He must be an X'er: f around and find out!
I have a Whacheon lathe made in South Korea that I've been very pleased with. Basically a new copy of the Mori Seki manual lathe. I've been very, very pleased with this lathe. My model is the HL-460 which is an 18" swing X 40" travel. It's twice as heavy (and twice as expensive) as the more common Grizzly and PM lathes for gunsmithing.
I almost had an order in for a BAT .22 action.
Hell yeah! I was wondering about this one Erik. Happy Thanksgiving!
Happy thanksgiving.
Quick question. I have heard for ages that cases grip the chamber wall leaving the case web/head to expand rearward towards the boltface. In my thinking, why doesn't the case move rearward overcoming the force of the ejector (if any) therefore causing the case to grow towards the shoulder. It seems like the extreme pressure from the round (60Kish) would easily overcome any grip or influential spring pressures. Also, this parallels to chamber finish too. In my experience more polished mating surfaces are "grippier" than a rough finishes. Your thoughts gentlemen?
The case moves in every direction, but it can’t go forward and it can’t go out to the sides. The rear is the only place where there is a gap, so it goes that way. The case is also not supported in the rear, so there is nothing stopping it from moving until it hits the bolt face.
Another outstanding interview. I really enjoyed listening to this. The only way to improve this interview would have been to have Speedy present, but then it would have been a 3 hour presentation.
Glad you enjoyed it!
The Kroil to shellac is what happened to me with a BAT model B from early 2000/10's. I thought that Kroil was the key to clean, lubricate, and protect in my bolt...saw serious rub/scratch marks on the forward spring holding bevel and can't remember if it was Bruce or
Daryl who said "you shouldn't use Kroil on anything that you want to work". I would also add WD-40 to that list..because it became a hardened shellac and caused interference and my accuracy deteriorated. Sent the bolt to BAT and they machined out the shellac and it shot great.
Yes on a Bat 22LR Action! A Anschutz 54.30 clonish with a better fire control with the same footprint please! And a centerfire version for 221 fireball thru 223 cases with the anschutz footprint! When do you want my deposit?
Any time I’m around Post Falls , ID I have to go by BAT Mach. Both Bruce and Daryl have given me a tour through the shop. Amazing actions and fantastic guys!😎👍
Excellent content...
Appreciated
Blaser coolant and high pressure coolant makes a world of difference.
I always prefer the KISS motto. You would think it's easier to fit, more forgiveness, and work the two lugs in an action over a three lug action.
Eric what do you think of that Hart R.A.D 2a recoil system. I've been talking to Jason Avila about a stock and he mentioned it to me. So far everyone I've asked like them.
I don’t use them.
Why was the 3L discontinued and which BAT action replaced it?
Watch the interview. 😁
Did i hear him say post falls? As in Post falls idaho? Cause i live 20 minutes from there. Damn i want to go there and hang out.
Bruce and Daryl are "BAT MAN"
Bruce is BATMAN. Daryl is ROBIN
Pitty you have to re mortgage the house to buy one, $4000 for an action here in NZ
Have you ever tried making an action with bevel spring washers that would require much less cocking distance?
Belville washers stacked would not provide the amount of travel we currently get with a coil spring. I'm just guessing but that amount of travel (1/4"?) would need a stack near as long as the bolt and the diameter of the washers would be nearly what the bolt is. Even if you made the washers thin so the force to bend them would be possible with just a bolt handle they would not work very well. Friction between each washer in the stack would be enormous. Just the opposite of the blueprinting these guys are doing in the bolt removing friction in the firing pin travel.
Years ago I posed the same question to Larry Durham about the use of belville washers in a spring piston air rifle. He said he had thought about it but cocking force would bend the barrel and the travel would be too short. Larry invented the Simple Simon PCP air rifle for Field Target which morphed into the USFT air rifle. Today at 80+ Larry still shoots bench rest matches with one of his Simple Simon guns modified for the bench rest game.
So coil springs are not all that bad for powering the firing pins in our guns. Gas springs are popular in some spring piston guns but are harder to cock, are more temperature sensitive and can and do eventually leak. So they will never completely replace good ole coil springs.
When can I get a repeater bmg size action in left hand with a cheytac bolt face?
Once I tried 3L with the short bolt throw, I could not go back.
Great conversation
What a great 30 minute interview with an hour of ads. Do something about it. This is your channel take control. Don’t let U2 fill your channel with a bunch of ads
Wow, u bought a lathe instead of a dirt bike as a teenager…
The three lug has a shorter bolt throw. Makes it easier to open
Nope, harder to open. You have to compress the spring the same amount but in 30° less rotation.
And less travel means less primary extraction @@BelieveTheTarget
That's what I run at work
In 83 I was working through the knight in a repair machine shop rebuilding prices that weighed 8-12 thousand pounds and the local police walked in to see if I was doing illegal work I said no I’m doing rush job for a local rock crusher and he look around a little and one small lath had a action being blue printed in it and a barrel being fitted to that action in another. He didn’t have a clue what he was looking for or at. O by the way there happend to be no serial numbers on the action either.
Yes make them
WHAT PART IF THE VIDEO IS THE LATHE TALK
Oh, if you are moving to BAT to you have a spare rifle stock that you can send me for a Rimrock BRMXD?
I’m not going anywhere. Extremely happy with my Bordens but Bruce also makes a great action.
I meant Belville
This whole thing about "couldn't happen today" is ridiculous to me. Stop saying that stuff and shrugging or laughing. Fix it. Take what we learned and fix it. It's up to us to make it all better and NOT taking risks is NOT the answer.
How do you propose making it happen today?
They where talking about building guns in school. It wouldn't happen today.
Yeah, no chance it happens today.
Living forever can’t happen today….ROFL. Watch and pay attention to vid and stop making idiotic statements.
When I was in Jr. Highs school in the early ‘60s, I took a wood working shop class. It was mainly country kids and the FFA was big. At Christmas time we sold Christmas Cards and there was a contest to see who would sell the most. I won. The first prize was a Mossberg .22. I still have it. I’ll bet they don’t give out guns in schools any more!