What Was So Bad About The OATH OF FEANOR? | The Days that Shook Middle-earth | Middle-Earth Lore
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
- Today, in episode 2, we take a look at the Oath of Feanor, son of Finwe, and what came of everything after those words of the sons of Feanor were spoken!
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There are many events throughout Tolkien's Legendarium that can be seen as incredibly important events in the history of Middle-earth. This series, "The Days that Shook Middle-earth", will be covering the most important of these in new and different ways!
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00:00 - Intro
01:48 - Tolkien and Language
03:22 - Who is Fëanor?
05:58 - The Oath of Fëanor
09:33 - The Outcome of the Oath
10:40 - Conclusion
12:10 - QotD & Thank you’s.
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It's so ironic that by trying to fulfill the Oath, the sons of Feanor lost the right to the Silmarills. Had they focused entirely on fighting against Morgoth and never commited all those vile acts against their own kin, the Valar probably would have given the Silmarills back to them.
So true!
Fëanor swore over Eru-Ilúvatar's name, after that everything was doomed to be ruined.
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I wonder if Tolkien based this in the 3rd commandment: "Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain"
@@lisboah My exact thoughts.
The Valar wouldn't have given them back to Feänor unfortunately. But it is a great pity that in the end the ends did not, in fact, justify the means.
Not all antiheroes are foul and ugly. Some are like Feanor, handsome and tragically flawed and consumed by hubris. Desire for revenge can consume a righteous soul and destroy it. A lesson we should all take to heart.
It's weird that Feanor was that unpleasant, and it had nothing to do with Morgoth's corruption. He was already bitter, resentful and paranoid even before Melkor was released. Melkor simply took advantage of it.
Finally, someone who gets Feanor! Thank you most kindly.
As Milton wrote: "Revenge, at first though sweet, bitter ere long back on itself recoils"
I would not call Feänor anti-hero. In my opinion he represents the original Greco-Roman concept of hero being "One that does great deeds" and not necessarily good guy of modern definition.
When you put him among heroes like Achilles, Heracles, Oedipus or Orestes, you will find that rashness, hubris and wrath are some of more common themes.
A vaguely-worded oath swearing to recover and protect the greatest work of craftmanship and beauty in Arda left countless innocents dead and relegated Feanor to being one of the greatest villains in Arda's history, on par with Sauron and Ar-Pharazon. Tragically ironic.
I think of all the kinslayings the last is the worst, and most pathetic - even with the argument of Maeglor and Maedhros on whether or not they could break the oath, as they held Manwe in witness and swore on the name of Eru Illuvatar - the third kinslaying and subsequent death(s) is the most heartbreaking. Maglor and Maedhros were the most decent of the sons of Feanor, and yet … Good men and women can do horrible, horrible things with the right (or wrong) motivation.
they all misunderstood that the light of Aman, that of the trees, was not something that could be owned. No more could Morgoth take the flame imperishable could Feanor take the light of the trees. The parallels between Melkor and Feanor and their subsequent falls are very striking.
An interesting series for us to do would be on oaths, curses and prophecies in Tolkien! There are numerous good examples which would make for interesting video topics for us to explore here at TBS! :)
Thank you for watching and commenting. It is always a very daunting task to try to convey everything without being laborious, be as in depth as possible without taking away a potential new reader's chance to enjoy the material if they have not had chance to read it. We try to do our best to balance this, between information and explanation with deciding what to cut, which is always difficult with Tolkien because of how interconnected all his work is.
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You can find the full text of the actual oath in the History of Middle-earth Vol. 10! I wish it had been included in the published silmarillion too (I will find my copy of morgoth's ring and get it to you if you are unable to find it! check back on this topic and let me know!)
Basically one of the more complex books can be summed up as "damn feanor, chill"
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Also, "Manwe why don't you do something?"
"Their Oath shall drive them, and yet betray them, and ever snatch away the very treasures that they sworn to pursue." -- Doom of Mandos in Quenta Silmarillion, "Of the Flight of the Noldor"
Irony of fate is that Maedhros fulfilled Oath of Fëanor. He jumped into volcano with Silmaril.
Did he? But Maglor cast the Silmaril away, one of the things the Oath specifically forbade. He made himself a target of the Oath.
@@sophiejones3554 I wrote MAEDHROS (Fëanor's eldest son, jumped into volcano with Silmaril) not Maglor(Fëanor's second son, best minstrel among Noldor).
Wouldn’t mind a video exploring why Feanor was never rivalled in skill. Elves are immortal and most stayed in Vallinor instead of following Feanor, where they could continue to grow in knowledge and skill from the teachings of the Valar. Why did none of them ever come to rival one hot head who died after only living a few thousand years?
Imposible to answer, but I think it was his fiery spirit (fea) that brought him his "power". No other elf before or since killed his own mother at birth or turned to ashes at death.
There where more Elves that left Valinor then stayed.
The most evil thing of Feanor was the first kinslaying
Wow, this video is very well put together. Absolutely fantastic 👌👍
Thank you 😁
Great video keep up the good work
This is amazing, thank you!
Great stuff lads, this is the kind of stuff that is right up my Strasse! I've not read the silmarrilion (sp?) So I appreciate this dudes 🤩
Love the work you guys do.
Thank you!
Awesome video I'm loving these topics!
Thank you 😁
@@TheBrokenSword u welcome and happy new year!
What-if video idea for you to do:
What if Gandalf never fell at the Bridge of Khazad-dum and continued with the fellowship to Lothlorien and on forward?
A video about the defeat of Morgoth and the transition from the first to the second age would be great. Please!!!
Oh, we shall! We shall :)
hmm, going through our old videos and looking for some ideas, i really like this one. We'll see what me editors think about me writing this one up for you guys!
I LOOOVE Feanor! He did some horrible shit but he created some awesome and wholesome shit, so putting him on par with Sauron or Ar Pharazon (like someone here has) is just insane to me!
Then you say you can slay your own kin for not giving their ships.. the first kinslaying makes him just a Villain and burning those ships... yes he did make good things but what he did was just evil
As much hate as Feanor gets for all the evil deeds he committed, and in general for his whole character, you gotta give the dude some credit. He was literally the absolute peak of Elvish existance, the best Elf there could ever be in the entire history of the world. The fact it got to his head and made him arrogant is nothing weird. Lesser people get arrogant even when they're just very slightly exceptional, while Feanor was so far ahead of even his own kin in every regard, he might as well be entirely different species. And when it comes to Silmarils, it's pretty much the same situation as with Sauron and the Ring. He poured so much of himself into them, he could've never repeated that again, just like Sauron could never make another ring. Silmarils basically contained part of his very essence, hence why he desired them so.
Excellent study! Question, for some reason, I thought Maglor still lived but wandered in weeping in sorrow near the ocean with burned hands. Can you confirm?
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I've always found it telling that not one of the sons of Feanor dared to assault or challenge Beren or Luthien when they held a Silmaril and everyone knew they did. They would challenge Morgoth himself but..not a man or one of their own who had escaped the Halls of Mandos. How binding was that oath, really?
I would love a video about the life of huan the hound of valinor
you only have twice more to speak! be careful XD
Maybe we can do something about the magical animals of middle-earth and include the greatest Hound to ever suffer the indignity of letting a human ride him XD
QOTD answer: I think it would be cool to explore the day that Glaurung first appeared, showing how the first appearance of a dragon would affect the world
Great suggestion!
@@TheBrokenSword thank you! 😊
5:08 except Thranduil has everburning lamps in The Hobbit. Maybe not made by the exact same method, but... something functionally equivalent. Fëanor is a genius to be sure, but not unmatchable.
hear Mattewhew for cloice...anne ,,,,please I do sing! 2nnd chptr x
this is song!!!
Talk about dragging the kingdom down with you
The first time read the Silmarillion Fëanor got seven sons, now he has only three. I have the text in french and I think I will compare the two editions to see if the oath of Fëanor has changed in good. I will also see how it can be ameliorated for the smallest hex.
I have always believed that the blue Silmaril has never been launched into the ocean but is hidden in a secret place. I say that because the heart of the ocean was launched on Titanic by the heroine and everybody in the depth see their souls liberated.
Huh? Feanor always had 7 sons. Finwe (his dad) had 3.
Feanor basically had two older, complicated sons who got the Silmatills, three middle evil sons who messed up a lot and then died*, and two young twins who did nothing interesting.
* Also, one of them was Celebrimbor's father.
Feanor had seven sons, as far back as we know, though they did not always have the same names. You may be mistaken friend!
@@KatarzynaMatylla Curufin and Celegorm were the worst! Their behavior during the saga of Beren and Luthien (attempting to ransom Luthien for marriage, for example) was so much that they couldn't survive the moral judgment of a dog :P
Of course, this hound was the great Wolf Hound of Valinor, Huan!
Huan on Huan: Memoirs of a Wolf-Hound XD (jk, would be great though!)
@@KatarzynaMatylla Yeah you're right, I misunderstood.
But I think it was an error from Fëanor to give birth to seven sons.
The better would have made three sons (one for each silmarils), and four girls for an alliance with other big houses and to make a second vague of children warriors very quickly for an attack from Valinor toward middle earth.
And if he weren't so faithful with is a wife he would have so much more boys and girls with is potancial
What if Fëanor never brings war to middle earth how the elves never see the light of Valinor, and the human should have resistance to the power of Morgoth.
I think Fëanor thought the war will be quick and he wanted to take Morgoth by surprise. An echec.
There is many ways Fëanor should have been better.
Tolkien was optimistically thinking a war can be won in 6000 years.
And I think that with so many errors in strategy, I bet the winning over Morgoth would never occure if we make a simulation.
Fëanor should have never betrayed his two brothers. And lost all the power of two allies with their armies.
He commits suicide by burning the boat letting is a position with not a rear appovisionnement of material, food and elves.
Under the command of Fëanor the allies elves; human dwarfs would have defended Gondolin and Doriath successfully and avoided many tragedies, Oh I love Tragedy and I will let the path of Turin Turambar and Beren and Luthien occurs. But this time they will take three of them and not only one.
He should have never brought war to aqualonde, cause all he needed was a passage. He should have given them bows and arrows to make them an army of archers. As a gage of peace, cause these weapons can be used to fight Morgoth either as the Noldor.
This army can find back other troopers in Valinor from time to time with little amount of mariners.
If you look closely all the silmarils find their places, one a sun in the center of the earth (a sun), one in the Ocean, and One in the sky.
I think Fëanor with a view on the past can ruin Morgoth Bauglir in 1000 years and I will prove my point cause I will reset the game in time.
Cause if we lose the Matrix will stay forever. But I will develop this thing later cause it is complex a subject.
And Melkor will pray to us for peace and will recognize all of is doing from the bottom of is heart, cause all begin on an awful error and now he will play to lose.
Do you knew Mattew Belamy was Melkor?
Bombadil vs Morgoth
Gandalf and other wise people assume that Sauron would probably be able to defeat Bombadil if he had to, so Morgoth definitely could. Or tom would drive him crazy... Tom Bombadil is basically everything that Morgoth lacks (patience, chill, acceptance of things as they are).
@@KatarzynaMatylla I believe it's safe to say Bombadil was around before Melkor and someone like Gandalf the Grey might not even be aware of how powerful Bombadil really is. There's much more to Bombadil than anyone know.
How about why were the children and descendants of Elwing and Earendil blessed with the choice to the immortality of the lives or the gift of men?
Check out the first entry in this series, "Days that shook middle earth pt. 1", was the first script I wrote in this series :) it is literally focused on the topic you've suggested, the religious ritual of climbing Meneltarma, and the shadow that crept into the hearts of the people of numenor as they began to speak out and against the Valar, taking reginal names in Aduneic, and culminating in the landing of Ar-Pharazon's great armament on the shores of Aman. Please, take some time to explore some of the other long-form content. That script is probably my favorite, that i've done so far, and I am very self-critical ... The guys here at TBS are great colleagues and have always given me the time needed and support to work on these scripts, putting quality ahead of quantity. :) Hope you will stick around!
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One thing I don’t understand is that why is it so great that nothing that Feanor mend couldn’t be copied. That actually show how useless the piece of technology is? If it can’t be copied, then it can’t be mass produced, and therefore is pretty much worthless to everyone.
Beren origins please.
i want to singggggggggggg! up & down I know this
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once again the sea valonor??? does he not have that samerail???
"Days that shook": War of wrath, haven't made video about it anyway
Great video btw👍
Thank you!!
30 years
feanor = sing over me
sang this in arcosanti
But even in silence I heard the words:
"An oath we shall swear
By the name of the One
'til the world's end
It can't be broken"
The doom of the Noldor drew near
The words of a banished king:
"I swear revenge!"
Filled with anger, inflamed our hearts
Full of hate, full of pride
We screamed for revenge!
Curse of Feanor...
@@milosstojakovic7586 Nightfall, Blind Guardian
@@Wyrmwould Indeed it is. I was thinking of Nightfall, but wrote CoF for some reason. Thanks for amending it.
No! Eru Does not need to lock everybody in gage's. Because his creation is manifest due to his own non perfect persona!
Feanor did nothing wrong
Video 212
Is an AI writing these scripts?
Now speculate on what would have happened if Faenor had been more diplomatic and persuaded Galadriel to gift him a lock of her hair.
Morgoth would steal it and Galadriel would swear revenge along with the Feanorians... :D
I find this synopsis too simplistic.
Never cared for the character of Feanor.... To me he was a arrogant, smug, short sighted, self-absorbed hot Head.... Yeah he was intelligent in his own way and with his crafting but other than that no.... I do empathize with him in regards to his father being murdered and his most prized possessions being stolen I don't feel he was unjust in declaring his oath where he was wrong was going full tilt even against his own countryman..... Of course his Spirit was an extraordinary fiery spirit so much so that it literally drained his mother completely to the point that she was despondent and languished and even the Valar couldn't save her....Finwe was guilty of not putting more energy into his son, his son had all that talent and intelligence and fire and had his father been able to teach him to control that and use it he very well could have possibly got the Silmarils back.... But this is what happens when a man obsesses over a woman at the expense of his children and loves the woman too much then the children suffer and unfortunately this ended up leading to Feanor being an unbridled forceful chaotic spirited fiery persona..... And this was able to take him very far however brute strength and brute Force and brute power was not able to overcome something far Superior had he been able to channel all that energy and been raised properly by his father and taught constraint and discipline and focus all that fiery energy then he could have like a laser scalpel went in there and got the Silmarils back with a master plan.... But that was not the case and that was not his fate.... He was destined to be like a fiery meteor blazing through the sky until it impacts and that's what happened when he impacted with Morgoths Balrogs.... And I don't necessarily consider him a great warrior I would say he was a powerful Warrior but not great....Fingolfin on the other hand was Great as was Finrod.
My storytelling I enjoyed it thank you
True. Feanor was a conceited, entitled and kind of spoiled individual. He had all that power, skill and the love of his father (which is stated to be bigger than Finwe had for his other children), and yet he was never satisfied. He resented his step-mother and half-siblings for no legitimate reason, like he wanted his father's love all for himself. He creates the Silmarills but forgets that he only accomplished it thanks to the Valar. He expected the Teleri to follow him, and when they didn't, he stole their work (like Morgoth stole his) and killed so many of them. And when he hears whispers that criticize his obvious poor decisions, he abandons more than half of them in the ice.
Eru Iluvatar Allows this all to transpire? It must be a Benevolent god indeed! Are the Gods' playing Tiddlywinks or just taking the living P?🤫
Is Eru supposed to lock everyone into cages so they can't make bad decisions for themselves?
A video on the day Tauriel fell in love with Kili and changed Middle Earth forever 😉 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣. 🗡😎
The zooming was too much to bear for me so stopped watching and kept listening. Nice story.
Feanor was quite evil. I don't even know if he had any good in him. He was quite mad even before Morgoth was rereleased into the world. He had murderous intentions toward his half-brother. He became so greedy he would not easily share his creations. The Valar gave them a paradise to live in and he wouldn't even save the two trees - even though the light from which helped for the Silmarils, and the Valar hallowed them. In essence, they helped create them. He could have put aside his greed and saved the day. The Valar would still have imprisoned Morgoth eventually - They had to not only defend the elves but also the secondborn (man). Instead, Feanor dragged a large part of his people into a that decimated them, split his people, and 2 kinslayings. Feanor really was a horrible person, and he was on a path that only Sauron and Melkor understood. Probably why he hated them so much. He left such a dark stain on the Elves that whenever an elf points out the pettiness of men (i.e. Numenor) one just has to point to the acts of Feanor. And elves had the benefit of thousands of years of life, humans only a hundred, tops. Humans look a heck of a lot better by that comparison. Don't get me wrong, I love elves. But I've learned to respect Tolkien's humans a lot more, especially after knowing of the acts of Feanor and his kin. Anyway, I guess I in someway need to thank Feanor. Without our resident Noldor jerkwad, the stories would have been less interesting ;-)