Hi mate. Your videos have really helped me get a grip of driving progressively to the system prior to doing further training. I only passed my car test in January after being bike-only for years waiting on an Army driving course. Spent a couple of months practicing the system, long observations, planning, balancing the car, eliminating BGO, rev matching etc which made life a lot smoother when I went on to do advanced driver training with the Army with blue lights and exemptions at the end of April-start of May and last week recieved my full membership to IAM. Although, bit of a challange applying system to driving the old Land Rovers when the gear boxes are like stiring a pot of soup!
The EMERGENCY AMBULANCE RESPONSE DRIVER HANDBOOK by the Association of Ambulance Chief Executives has informative chapters on Legal Exemptions and Non-Exemptions. They also use it here in Oz, even though exemptions cover all rules here.
If police officers are waiting that long for a starters driving course then how can they drive police vehicles before then., or are they limited to foot patrols only. In the 60's one took an afternoon for a simple driving assessment and that qualified one to drive certain police cars only ie panda cars or general vehicle ie station car. Not traffic, no white hats.
Driving course refers to using exemptions - basic still an afternoon's assessment then can use on enquiries and local patrol but no blues and twos just as it was back in't day (some forces also allow compliment vehicle stops but no pursuit). Officers can still foot patrol and be passenger seat observer on an response car crew. Once upon a time driving school would teach young officers to drive and gain a license if at present they had never driven before joining - not sure that would happen today?
@@aztimms Following that half day assessment many police officers, which I was eventually went on a standard driving course . The duration was for two weeks. One became classified as class 3 driver. Then if one wanted to go onto traffic proper one would apply and if successful one eventually would go onto a traffic course again for several more weeks and if successful one could drive more powerful traffic patrol vehicles etc and wear a white hat. One could exceed the speed limits to a degree and use both horns and lights to help one make progress and stop vehicle and drivers for various traffic offences. Then if considered suitable after that 2nd driving course, a further advanced course one would be undertaken and one would be further trained for a week or two learning other skills such as pursuit tactics and emergency use of the full speed capacity of whatever vehicle one was driving at the time. The lawful exemptions of speeding , left laneing at bollards and driving through red lights etc. applied only as and when required to be used for policing purposes only. . Those two types of traffic officers mentioned were consider to be class 1 or class 2 drivers.
For a civilian I have never understood why the test is to read a number plate. If you can see cars and people and obstructions and objects, what does that have to do with a number plate?
Basic test of visual acuity. 6/6 is the average good level. Human Aspects of Police Driving suggests that many police drivers have 6/4 vision (at 69 I now have that unaided after cataract surgery and now don't need glasses).. Probably 6/12 is the minimum for the UK for car drivers.
It’s because they’re a standardised size. We know that if you can read a UK number plate from 20 metres, you have whatever the equivalent is on the Snellen chart in the opticians. It could be bananas at 5 metres or Road signs at 100, whatever so long as it’s a standard that can be applied anywhere for everybody.
Number plates are handy - bound to be some cars with plates near a government driving test center or on a road when a constable wishes to conduct a test on a driver whom they suspect is driving with defective vision (they have legal authority to carry this out). And so allied to the replies given above, it's simply a convenience thing.
Does this police or rather emergency services blue light driving course include how to drive one handed, like perhaps a disabled driver would. It appears to happen a lot on you videos. Can you not speak at all without gesticulating with your hand off the wheel. Surely that could be at least considered a bad practice and a fail on any test. .
Any worse than all those police drivers that drove while using their Pye Bernadette/Pocket Phone UHF radio's back in't day - as they aren't cellular phones that wouldn't be illegal even now!
@@OpvectorUK I did day 'could be considered a bad practise' and really if one applies what may be considered as reasonable, ie. such as changing gear, but not changing radio channels. They do in a court case. The taking of one's hand off as he is doing for no apparent reason may not be considered to be reasonable and therefore could be considered to be bad practice and and maybe an offence in law of driving without due care and attention and that may be an offence under S. 3 RTA. .
I do not disagree with the first paragraph as regards failing to drive in a reasonable manner etc. but disagree that constantly taking ones hand off the wheel for no reasonable reason such as said changing gear, indicating operating washers etc. can be deemed to be reasonable expected and anticipated as being necessary. The DVSA says that we should at all times drive with our hands on the steering wheel unless operating other necessary controls. Even then to return our hands to the wheel at the soonest possible moment in order to maintain steering control. Waving ones hand for no apparent reason as seen on your video could never be considered to be reasonable and falls well below the standard required of a competent and safe driver. It matters not that all other respects ones driving was without question. For example the same would apply to riders of motorcycles who are seen to ride one handed and with the other hand off the handlebars and being waved in the air and for no apparent reason. That would be looked upon as being unreasonable and dangerous as would a car driver who was continually doing the same thing.
@@OpvectorUK Unbelievable. You use the fact that disabled people use one handed steering wheels to support your erroneous and unfounded but mistaken belief. Steering wheels which are specifically designed and have approved use for persons with such unfortunate disabilities. That as you argument supporting your misbelief that one can drive with impunity at all times when one likes with one hand not being on the steering wheel. As a police officer with over 20 years service. I and this obviously surprises you , believe that what I was saying was warning others, including yourself about this matter and that I am in fact correct. A number of times I have actually stopped drivers with one hand outside an open window and warned them of the potential dangers of their actions and of the offence that was being committed. Those that argued got reported for the offence. All ended up pleading guilty and being fined with points on their licence. A bad habit like this which is considered a bad practise by all training bodies should never be encouraged or enabled. End of.
@@OpvectorUK I was a police officer and did 24 years service. I was on duty and knocked of my motorcycle by a driver coming out of a side street onto my road. I must add that I saw the driver had his right hand out of the window and was holding a cigarette in it at that time He was prosecuted for due care and attention. It also turned out that he was a disqualified driver as well so no insurance etc. As a police officer we were charged with a responsibility to protect lives and property. So it beholds all officers to look out for circumstances that could potentially harm not only ones self but all others. Its common sense that tells us not to ride one handed on bicycles or motorbikes or whilst driving any vehicle on our roads, By doing so we run the risk of failing to act quickly enough to dangers that abound on our roads. It beholds us all to only remove our hand for reasonable and legitimate reasons only and then to return them as soon as is possible in order to maintain good vehicle control. If one were to undertake any Advanced driving or riding course then one would be taught the proper way to handle and steer any motor vehicle on a road with greater safety. Something that should have been taught when doing any initial training to be a capable and safe vehicle user and to pass the DVSA test. Road traffic offences are committed every day and what I mentioned was about drivers driving with their hands off the wheel for long periods of time and or for no apparent reason. Sometimes resting a hand out of the drivers window. Simply By doing so they are or can be deemed to be in less control of their vehicles, thus driving unreasonably and with less safety. ie less care and attention. With a hand off the wheel they will or may take less time to correct it when something goes wrong. Should something untoward happen then when in that hand off state the are not as safe as a reasonable person should be and be badly prepared to maybe avoid a collision or other circumstance that may include the loss of vehicle control. So they are a greater risk than other drivers who generally drive with both hands on the wheel Driving one handed also tell one of the poor state of mind of some road users who have no idea of safety or regards for either themselves or indeed others. As a result of that poor attitude they may drive with negligence they may cause injury or even death to others and we don't want that. So if one obeys the rules of the road and acts rationally, sensibly and with all due diligence one will only remove a hand from the steering wheel for a legitimate purpose. Then returning it as soon as is practicable and not wave it around like a lunatic orchestrating music or holding it outside ones open window. The H.C. does tell us if something is specifically catered for legally ie. against the law and gives the actual legislation below. It further tells us its a 'MUST NOT' but not all things are must nots. It advises us on a code of conduct in order to keep ourselves and others safe on our roads. It further warns us of any failure or infringement to the adherence of that code of conduct and its recommendations may be brought up in evidence by the prosecution in a court of law and used against a defendant.
Hi mate. Your videos have really helped me get a grip of driving progressively to the system prior to doing further training. I only passed my car test in January after being bike-only for years waiting on an Army driving course. Spent a couple of months practicing the system, long observations, planning, balancing the car, eliminating BGO, rev matching etc which made life a lot smoother when I went on to do advanced driver training with the Army with blue lights and exemptions at the end of April-start of May and last week recieved my full membership to IAM.
Although, bit of a challange applying system to driving the old Land Rovers when the gear boxes are like stiring a pot of soup!
The EMERGENCY AMBULANCE RESPONSE DRIVER HANDBOOK by the Association of Ambulance Chief Executives has informative chapters on Legal Exemptions and Non-Exemptions. They also use it here in Oz, even though exemptions cover all rules here.
Great video, can't wait for the next episode!
Fantastic vid as usual thank you
What road are you on it looks amazing
Excellent.
Much better now
Yay!
They started to change courses to automatic now: so how does that effect system of driving?
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If police officers are waiting that long for a starters driving course then how can they drive police vehicles before then., or are they limited to foot patrols only. In the 60's one took an afternoon for a simple driving assessment and that qualified one to drive certain police cars only ie panda cars or general vehicle ie station car. Not traffic, no white hats.
Driving course refers to using exemptions - basic still an afternoon's assessment then can use on enquiries and local patrol but no blues and twos just as it was back in't day (some forces also allow compliment vehicle stops but no pursuit). Officers can still foot patrol and be passenger seat observer on an response car crew. Once upon a time driving school would teach young officers to drive and gain a license if at present they had never driven before joining - not sure that would happen today?
@@aztimms Following that half day assessment many police officers, which I was eventually went on a standard driving course . The duration was for two weeks. One became classified as class 3 driver. Then if one wanted to go onto traffic proper one would apply and if successful one eventually would go onto a traffic course again for several more weeks and if successful one could drive more powerful traffic patrol vehicles etc and wear a white hat. One could exceed the speed limits to a degree and use both horns and lights to help one make progress and stop vehicle and drivers for various traffic offences.
Then if considered suitable after that 2nd driving course, a further advanced course one would be undertaken and one would be further trained for a week or two learning other skills such as pursuit tactics and emergency use of the full speed capacity of whatever vehicle one was driving at the time. The lawful exemptions of speeding , left laneing at bollards and driving through red lights etc. applied only as and when required to be used for policing purposes only. . Those two types of traffic officers mentioned were consider to be class 1 or class 2 drivers.
For a civilian I have never understood why the test is to read a number plate. If you can see cars and people and obstructions and objects, what does that have to do with a number plate?
Basic test of visual acuity. 6/6 is the average good level. Human Aspects of Police Driving suggests that many police drivers have 6/4 vision (at 69 I now have that unaided after cataract surgery and now don't need glasses).. Probably 6/12 is the minimum for the UK for car drivers.
Road signs. Can you discern 50 from 60 at speed and distance, for example?
It’s because they’re a standardised size. We know that if you can read a UK number plate from 20 metres, you have whatever the equivalent is on the Snellen chart in the opticians. It could be bananas at 5 metres or Road signs at 100, whatever so long as it’s a standard that can be applied anywhere for everybody.
Number plates are handy - bound to be some cars with plates near a government driving test center or on a road when a constable wishes to conduct a test on a driver whom they suspect is driving with defective vision (they have legal authority to carry this out). And so allied to the replies given above, it's simply a convenience thing.
@@aztimms Thanks, would dyslexia be taken into account?
Does this police or rather emergency services blue light driving course include how to drive one handed, like perhaps a disabled driver would. It appears to happen a lot on you videos. Can you not speak at all without gesticulating with your hand off the wheel. Surely that could be at least considered a bad practice and a fail on any test. .
Any worse than all those police drivers that drove while using their Pye Bernadette/Pocket Phone UHF radio's back in't day - as they aren't cellular phones that wouldn't be illegal even now!
@@OpvectorUK I did day 'could be considered a bad practise' and really if one applies what may be considered as reasonable, ie. such as changing gear, but not changing radio channels. They do in a court case.
The taking of one's hand off as he is doing for no apparent reason may not be considered to be reasonable and therefore could be considered to be bad practice and and maybe an offence in law of driving without due care and attention and that may be an offence under S. 3 RTA. .
I do not disagree with the first paragraph as regards failing to drive in a reasonable manner etc. but disagree that constantly taking ones hand off the wheel for no reasonable reason such as said changing gear, indicating operating washers etc. can be deemed to be reasonable expected and anticipated as being necessary. The DVSA says that we should at all times drive with our hands on the steering wheel unless operating other necessary controls. Even then to return our hands to the wheel at the soonest possible moment in order to maintain steering control.
Waving ones hand for no apparent reason as seen on your video could never be considered to be reasonable and falls well below the standard required of a competent and safe driver. It matters not that all other respects ones driving was without question.
For example the same would apply to riders of motorcycles who are seen to ride one handed and with the other hand off the handlebars and being waved in the air and for no apparent reason. That would be looked upon as being unreasonable and dangerous as would a car driver who was continually doing the same thing.
@@OpvectorUK Unbelievable. You use the fact that disabled people use one handed steering wheels to support your erroneous and unfounded but mistaken belief.
Steering wheels which are specifically designed and have approved use for persons with such unfortunate disabilities. That as you argument supporting your misbelief that one can drive with impunity at all times when one likes with one hand not being on the steering wheel.
As a police officer with over 20 years service. I and this obviously surprises you , believe that what I was saying was warning others, including yourself about this matter and that I am in fact correct.
A number of times I have actually stopped drivers with one hand outside an open window and warned them of the potential dangers of their actions and of the offence that was being committed. Those that argued got reported for the offence. All ended up pleading guilty and being fined with points on their licence.
A bad habit like this which is considered a bad practise by all training bodies should never be encouraged or enabled. End of.
@@OpvectorUK I was a police officer and did 24 years service. I was on duty and knocked of my motorcycle by a driver coming out of a side street onto my road. I must add that I saw the driver had his right hand out of the window and was holding a cigarette in it at that time He was prosecuted for due care and attention. It also turned out that he was a disqualified driver as well so no insurance etc.
As a police officer we were charged with a responsibility to protect lives and property. So it beholds all officers to look out for circumstances that could potentially harm not only ones self but all others. Its common sense that tells us not to ride one handed on bicycles or motorbikes or whilst driving any vehicle on our roads, By doing so we run the risk of failing to act quickly enough to dangers that abound on our roads. It beholds us all to only remove our hand for reasonable and legitimate reasons only and then to return them as soon as is possible in order to maintain good vehicle control. If one were to undertake any Advanced driving or riding course then one would be taught the proper way to handle and steer any motor vehicle on a road with greater safety. Something that should have been taught when doing any initial training to be a capable and safe vehicle user and to pass the DVSA test.
Road traffic offences are committed every day and what I mentioned was about drivers driving with their hands off the wheel for long periods of time and or for no apparent reason. Sometimes resting a hand out of the drivers window. Simply By doing so they are or can be deemed to be in less control of their vehicles, thus driving unreasonably and with less safety. ie less care and attention. With a hand off the wheel they will or may take less time to correct it when something goes wrong. Should something untoward happen then when in that hand off state the are not as safe as a reasonable person should be and be badly prepared to maybe avoid a collision or other circumstance that may include the loss of vehicle control. So they are a greater risk than other drivers who generally drive with both hands on the wheel
Driving one handed also tell one of the poor state of mind of some road users who have no idea of safety or regards for either themselves or indeed others. As a result of that poor attitude they may drive with negligence they may cause injury or even death to others and we don't want that. So if one obeys the rules of the road and acts rationally, sensibly and with all due diligence one will only remove a hand from the steering wheel for a legitimate purpose. Then returning it as soon as is practicable and not wave it around like a lunatic orchestrating music or holding it outside ones open window.
The H.C. does tell us if something is specifically catered for legally ie. against the law and gives the actual legislation below. It further tells us its a 'MUST NOT' but not all things are must nots. It advises us on a code of conduct in order to keep ourselves and others safe on our roads. It further warns us of any failure or infringement to the adherence of that code of conduct and its recommendations may be brought up in evidence by the prosecution in a court of law and used against a defendant.