The 1960s Inner-City Riots Were Destructive. He Predicted The Results. Was He Right?
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- The 1960s experienced inner-city riots on a regular basis both in 1964 and especially in 1968 after the assassination of Martin Luther King. The inner-city riots that took place in 2020 in Seattle one of the cities provoked by Black Lives Matter (BLM) as a result of what they saw as unnecessary police violence have been compared to the riots in America's inner cities in the 1960s.
This speaker is Dr. Bernard Anderson, a historian who used research and statistics to analyze what happened back then and to use what happened to predict what price was paid by those who lived and still live in the inner cities.
I interviewed him in 1989 for my television series on the 1960s. He was extraordinarily insightful and a superb researcher who I felt took a professorial third-party attitude - the attitude of an observer rather than one engaged in the strugglesAlthough he experience them himself.. I found his comment on what happened to the white liberal civil rights supporting community when the riots occurred particularly insightful.
This interview opened my eyes to considering the long-term effects of the devastating inner-city riots that took place back then. I was a cameraman who visited Detroit and Los Angeles after the riots. I had faith that the destroyed stores and homes would be rebuilt. Some were. Some weren't.
Dr. Anderson was an eyewitness to the riots. In our conversation about the riots, Dr. Anderson made a point of saying that most of the businesses didn't recover after their buildings were burned down by rioters. He said most were forced to close because they couldn't collect insurance payments, even though many had been insured for years. The riots left an indelible mark on the neighborhood, and it's still there today. Even though the area is a hotbed of activity again, there are still vacant lots where burned-out buildings once stood. And some people who lived through those chaotic times say they'll never forget what happened.
He wrote that the uprisings had several goals, including ending police brutality, ending unequal housing and public accommodations, and gaining political power. Philadelphia's history with police misconduct date back to colonial times. In 1967, a federal civil rights investigation revealed that Philadelphia police practices were unconstitutional. He said that the riots were driven by a deep feeling of injustice in communities that had been neglected for years. They were not an anomaly, but rather a continuation of a long history of economic inequality, racism and police violence.
Dr. Anderson's analysis of the long-term effects on the inner-city communities proved to be true and the results seem to still hold true today. It is so sad. I recently drove through inner-city Baltimore and I saw no pharmacies, no supermarkets, just fast food and liquor stores. All of the other retail establishments had left. It is so challenging to live and raise a family in such an environment. When I consider the protests today and the small group of rioters, I wish/pray that they would stop destroying buildings and just protest peacefully. I suspect most of those citizens who came out in 2020 also would have preferred a completely nonviolent protest. I thank Dr. Anderson for the time he gave me back then for this interview.
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I live in the Chicago loop. We had two BLM riots that looted the CVS in my building. 2 years after that, the loop is dead. Taxes are skyrocketing because all the corporations left. We now have a 1000/month carjacking epidemic. All the convenience stores have everything locked up behind plastic walls.
After reparations is paid to the the descendants of slavery, all those poverty fueled crimes will cease overnight. That’s when you’ll see the people in law enforcement and criminal justice careers out of jobs and doing what desperate people do to survive themselves.
I fear that as all this looting and general unruliness continues a repeat of what the gentleman said will occur. All the businesses will disappear leaving the neighborhoods devoid of anything.
@@powderriver2424 Why was their "looting" to begin with?
@@fbaallied just curious: why have you put looting in quotation marks? Is it perhaps not an appropriate word for what the comment is trying to convey, or rather what word would you use instead?
I could listen to this guy for hours. He has a terrific grasp on cause and effect. I was only 2 or 3 years old at the time, and I really don't understand that decade. I guarantee that if this man was my history or social studies teacher in the 80's I would have gotten straight A's.
I am not real familiar with Dr. Bernard Anderson, so I did a little research on him his credentials are impresses. Mr. Anderson brought up some interesting points in this film clip. Thanks, you David Hoffman. 😊
Dr. Anderson always knocks it out of the park. He definitely pegged EXACTLY what happened in Baltimore and DC. You can still see the remnants of the riots all along North Avenue in Baltimore. DC, though, has gentrified in the 21st century. If he’s still around, I’d be curious to hear his thoughts about gentrification of the former areas of disturbance.
Riots happened around here in the 60's. Almost all of the destruction took place in areas where the majority of residents were 'black' Americans. Many 'black'-owned businesses were destroyed. To this day, much of that part of the city has not recovered and I doubt it ever will.
I'm glad he spoke on the Neglectful government. There were so many destructive things that happened to inner city communities, but most people just blame people trying to live there. I just can't believe it happens over and over again with the same outcomes.
What do you suggest the government do? Taxes continue to go up, and corrupt politicians just waste them money on programs that encourage dad to not be in the home.
@@bannedbycommieyoutube5time920 I have come to have a considerably more cynical view of the US government in particular, but the leaders in the West more and more, since the pandemic. I used to think that government can't seem to structure programs right and so they more often created a lot pf unintended consequences like setting up bad incentives, addressing symptoms and not causes so the underlying problem gets worse, not better, etc.
Now I think we need to tale seriously that powerful interests may have long been working to capture the government to put towards nefarious ends I have to say, according to the peculiar ideology of the very powerful and their desire to take control of the path of civilization...
So now I think good government is possible, but it's largely been captured and misused and always had that vulnerability which is why I believe in decentralizing as much of thepower of legislature, enforcement and governance as possible since centralized power is most vulnerable to capture and abuse.
I think the black community was likey deliberately targetted for disruption with some counterproductive policies and setting-up bad incentives and that problems were made worse. Is suspect black culture was also debased rhrough various channels like gangster rap being promoted with violent attitudes, a kind of machismo, glorifying yhe wrong things. The CIA was actually running drugs into inner cities, especially the crack epidemic of the 80s. US intelligence had teamed up with various mafias and criminal cartels.. it started with Naval Intelligence and magia during WW2 so the mob would keep an eye on any Nazi infiltration of the dock workers in the labor unions the mob ran bacl then, but from there collaboration between the crime underworld and intelligence agencies expanded (there's a declassified name of that operation that I forget...something like operation underworld or something amd it's the tip of the iceberg). Later the CIA muscled in on the drug trade and used it to undermine urban black populations and also to generate an independent income stream not have to rely on congress for their funding... the Iran Contra scandal exposed some of this. Other examples is the Obama admin running tons of weapons to the cartels with "Fast and Furious" which is more than it was presented as (the idea they were flooding military grade weapons to the cartels "just so they could track how they get distributed" is absurd and would be a ridiculously bad idea if that was their true aim).
I think since then, such attacks have also been targeted at poor whites (e.g. the opiod epidemic - watch Dopesick on Netflix and understand the Sacklers weren't working alone nor was it only done for corporate wealth), to the lower classes in general. I think the middle class is deliberately being eroded, and the Left-Right divide intentionally being inflamed to keep the population fighting each other and less scrutiny and no united front against international oligarchs.
It's a really black pill to consider, and obviously shrouded on uncertainty and layers of lies and misdirection... there's much more going on than most people could ever envision, and whatever the ultimate truth of it, aims and motivations for this kind of thing really are, it points to an uncomfortable and dark likely reality most people aren'tready to even fathom.
@@jtzoltan those powerful interests have always had a heavy hand in government. The bigger the government gets (and more centralized, to your point), the results are easy to predict. Incompetence, sociopath politicians, and corruption. All of which will be crammed down on you and I in more ways than we can count/realize.
This means the only, admittedly flawed answer is decentralization and as small of government as humanly possible. People have also replaced belief in a higher power with worshipping the government (and this is coming from an atheist mind you).
I’m glad the pandemic woke so many up. It’s the same reason why government wants to disarm you as well and destroy the intact family. It’s all about control and subjugation.
@@bannedbycommieyoutube5time920 actually no. It's been well documented tax dollars being diverted from taxpayers in those areas to prodominately white areas, like prodominately white schools.
The size of the government doesn't matter. Equity in government does.
Excellent explanation
Now being older I barely noticed the last 20 years, it went by so fast. But in 89 when I was in high school, 1970 seemed like it was so long ago. We were really living in policies and laws of the 70s.
What do you think of those laws... were they well intentioned and the legislatures likely thought they would do a lot of good, were they even understood then to be a bandaid, or perhaps do you even think it might have been sabotage of the lower classes by creating dependency and incentivizing the wrong things (for example single motherhood, or choosing welfare instead of developing one's skills or a business)?
Do you think many people today remember the lessons of those times including the people alive today who lived through them, or is largely re-envisioned and lost from memory?
Small businesses that persist in such areas are up against it. It’s too much to expect of anybody to risk the lives of their families and livelihoods. Even when local governments and nonprofits team to provide grocery stores it’s the same risks…now the nearby city is at it again. The predatory behavior keeps folks that make the effort to support these establishments away eventually. What’s next? Buses and taxis bring many folks from these neighborhoods to bigger, outlying stores with better offerings, lower prices, and a level of safety.
Do you happen to live in a neighborhood like that? Are you Black?
This is the most insightful analysis I have seen in media so far, explaining the causes and effects of the 1960s urban disturbances. The series of disturbances in 1964-68, taken as a whole, was among the very most consequential domestic events in the U.S. during the second half of the 20th century. This entire topic is tragically neglected in the public discourse much to our nation’s continuing detriment.
As Brit seeing this now I am in my 30s this is a big culture shock in the sense how things were to now... American politics has infected the world and not on a good way...
He is breaking down the fact that the Black underclass has grown massively since the 60's.
Wrong.
Poverty rates for African Americans has dropped considerably since the 1960’s.
I don’t know why you think otherwise. The majority of black people are middle class or wealthier.
@gene108 huh? "The majority of Black ppl" aren't middle class. The Black poverty rates haven't changed much since the sixties. What has "changed" is the Black elites / bourgeoisie upper class have moved into all-White communities leaving working and underclass Blacks in food and economically deprived desert.
Tokenism, symbolism, people-of-colorism and a wholesale dedication to White Liberalism by the Black elites have masked major economic problems that were left untouched by the likes of MLK, Malcolm X, the Black Panthers and Fred Hampton.
@@gene108 thank you for pointing out reality.
@@gene108 it’s not the poverty rate it’s the amount of people. The American population in general has grown by since 1969 from 200 million to 330 million. That’s an approximately 60% increase. Yes the *rate* of impoverished Black Americans is lower but the *number* of impoverished Black Americans is higher because the American population is much higher- 30% of Black Americans were below the poverty line in 1969 which was about 7 million people, 20% of Black Americans were below the poverty line in 2022, which is a 10% decrease but also a 2 million person increase, for a total 9 million people. So even though the poverty rate is going down, because the population of America in general is going up, you can have a lower poverty rate while at the same time you have a greater amount of people in poverty.
@bebop The so-called "Black progress" of the post-civil rights era, was just Black elites / upper-class / middle people becoming more adjacent to White spaces.
David how about an update on the storm hitting your area with flooding and power outages? I hope you and family are ok!
Just fine so far. But we do live in town not in the hills or near a river or creek. Thank you Rick.
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Thomas Sowell is a good recommendation for Dave if he's not already aware of his works.
Thomas Sowell is a terrible reference.
@@fbaallied why?
@@solaireofastora8609 Why? Because his "theories" about "Black failure" are laughably flawed and contradictory.
Sowell's entire career is going to colleges, debating people, and when people disagree about the gutting the public sector for the private sector, he does his stock "Well what do you know" and then leaves
@SynthCool He also trolls his White fans by essentially blaming White "Cracker" culture on the disintegration of the Black family 🤣
I was 10 yr old in 1970...and remember this
AB3121 is the latest document since Moynihan. I repsect his attempt. AB3121 mentioned that document.
Look what benign neglect did. Some of us have real damages.
But let me not complain.
Environment is everything. Genocide for us is no issue for any nation ❤ particularly the global nation of humans who uphold war on one another. Peace and love.
You had an amazing journey I see. Thank you for sharing. We were better off as indigenous. Making us black was a direct attack on our true identity and culture.
How anyone enjoys this is beyond me. No one is safe if we all are not safe.
Hey, just wanted to ask what you meant by "how anyone enjoys this is beyond me"... given what else you wrote about Indigenous identity vs what sounds like you call an artificial black identity, it seems you mean somethimg like "how can any black person enjoy this flase identity foisted upon us/them" ... is that close at all to your intended meaning?
The cultural aspect of urban poverty may be true in more recent history due to a perpetuation of violence, addiction and stereotypes being continually pushed in mainstream media, but if you don’t know about or acknowledge the significance of the Black Wall Street massacres in creating this problem then you have a big blind spot when it comes to this topic
He looks like that black lawyer from Seinfeld
That's totally inappropriate. It's lewd, lascivious, salacious, outrageous!
@@nathanielgreer2764 You post *very* strange comments.
@@nathanielgreer2764 egregious
You tell them Jackie
@@danusdragonfly6640 this is a public humiliation!
@@nathanielgreer2764 How so? This man just said that the man in this interview reminded him of another man. Yet *you* posted elsewhere here that you thought desegregation was the problem? Make make sense. I doubt you can.
I enjoy listening to the people of our earlier generation the great differences of articulation from one generation to the next is profound.
I listen to the individuals in high Government and I realize they cannot articulate nearly as well as the man. It's a shame on our education system.
yes he is 100% correct.
i was a 13 yo black suburban kid in '65. my parents were a part of the mid/late 50s post WWII "black flight" migration from N.Y.C. to the leafy suburbs of N.J., where my sisters and i could walk to school, ride our bikes, and live around other mostly middle class striving black families in the (relatively) integrated town of Englewood. it was made possible by black american's participation in the war, the GI bill, integration of federal jobs, and integration of suburban housing stock.
while there was a little "youth disturbance" in our town we were insulated from the '65 riots, unlike towns like Newark, Paterson, or Jersey City which were devastated!.
since you interviewed Dr. Anderson the US has had multiple wash, rinse, repeat cycles of of black (and more lately white) looters destroying the infrastructure, culture, and livelihoods of black communities across our nation, creating wastelands, devoid of the goods/services that make life livable much less enjoyable, and removing any incentive for those with the where-with-all to stay or invest in these areas in the future. all of this in the name of (so called) "social justice".
emboldened, these miscreants are now leaving their neighborhoods to bring chaos, crime, destruction and death to the wider population.
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Very interesting. Pharmacies are important, but you can't get prescriptions without adequate medical facilities and staff either. Of course, the poor still struggle to get comprehensive medical care, and nothing is more necessary and expensive.
You tell me David. Was he right? Thank you for sharing. ❤️
The Kerner Commission.
Can ask... what was the conclusion of what he is saying? That due to the riots everything became worst. So if we had not rioted things would have been Better?
Not the riots, but the lack of corrective action on the part of the state, the government White liberals, etc.
Instead, they blamed the ''culture'' of Black America and neo-conservatives took the advance and employed a benign neglect policy as an excuse to disregard the issues.
Read up on the Kerner Commission report, which LBJ refused to accept.
David, please look into the Kerner Commission report, and LBJ's refusal to address the issue.
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Great story, great man Dr. Anderson, we need to learn from this . Human rights. Is all rights. Black lives matter and so on. Thanks for sharing David Hoffman film maker 🎥👍😎
E Walker not @ewalker1057 - He's not predicting. He is telling what occurred.
In response to your 6th paragraph in the videos description about calling for non-violent protest I offer several points; I commend the wish and support for a pacifistic method of civil disobedience, but the reality of any movement is that as long as there are no repercussions or political will to engage meaningfully with non-violent, nondisruptive demonstrations then they are simply annoyances that can be ignored and rendered ultimately fruitless. There is also documented evidence of Law Enforcement Personnel wearing unmarked clothing and destroying property in an attempt to encourage destructive behavior and harming nonparticipating civilians who were literally in their own homes during the protests, so violent protest is in effect being supported by this governing body. Finally, the almost cult-like idolization of non-violent protests and those who advocated for them is inherently malicious when advocated for by a power structure that is seeking to oppress or abuse whatever minority group that is looking to protest/demonstrate, want to know why? because if you live in the current United States of America your founding fathers agreed and fought for that sentiment over a century ago.
Yes the police have been caught in the act of inciting to violence (I'll link to a video out of Canada at a strike). Also it is established that the first ever window broken during a BLM protest was broken by right winger dubbed 'Umbrella Man" ruclips.net/video/St1-WTc1kow/видео.html
Your entire paragraph is just many sentences stating that you support violent forms of protest (rioting and looting). Why not just overtly say that instead of dancing around it?
Supporting that behavior is perfectly fine, but ultimately all it does is destroy the neighborhoods and the people you say you care about. The 2020 riots are the most recent in a long line of examples. Small, often minority businesses don’t return. Large corporations don’t return (everything gets more expensive, increasing poverty), public services become worse.
Lastly and most importantly, if you’re part of any minority group, whether it be ideological, race, creed, etc., what you NEED with any protest is the sympathy of the majority. Without it, all you’re doing is making yourselves look bad and setting back any relations with the majority back decades.
The proof of this is in the results. Comparing the rioting of the 1960’s, 1990’s, or 2020 to anything our founding fathers did is insanity. It shows a profound lack of understanding of history. The majority of colonials supported the revolution. They didn’t burn down their own neighborhoods, they believed in intact families, they articulated their demands to the crown in a crystal clear manner. They didn’t ask for more handouts. There was a relatively clear leadership structure, not grifters who just line their own pockets at the expense of the community. There are so many problems with that comparison it’s hard to know where to begin.
@@bannedbycommieyoutube5time920 Why not admit you favor such actions if taken by the right to "save the nation." Oh and Oh I would remind you that most of time we can trace the first acts of violence back to right wing folks. I mean it was NOT the left that prepared to stomp Clergy at the Unite the Right rally (YES that did happen) it was ANTIFA that placed them selves in harms way. It was a lefty who was arrested and charged for getting beaten in parking garage that same event. IT was also not a lefty that rammed his car into a group of peaceful protester killing one. In 2016 it was the Neo Nazis who stabbed seven Antifa types YET the CHP charged the stabbing victims. Yeah that happened too.
@@bannedbycommieyoutube5time920 my initial reply was deleted for some reason wonder why, I'll summarize it, 1. I'm not dancing around anything, you don't speak for me. 2. You are utterly confused on the topic at hand, the riots/conflict is because of the neglect from big and small businesses as well as federal resources divesting away from historically black areas due to white flight and the continued harassment and brutalization of the local black populace by Law Enforcement Agencies and Federal/State Institutions. 3. The myth of popular support through pacifistic protest is sustained and promoted by systems of power to discourage meaningful change by any sub-group, MLK and the civil rights movement as a whole touted a 75% disapproval rating by the general populace during and throughout the height of those times, the results are proof that you are wrong on this. The American Revolution involved the destruction and seizure of property, the breaking apart of families along political lines and the asking of handouts in terms of services from the homeland British government, the leadership structure was plagued with infighting and betrayals thanks to damaged relationships between the revolutionary and loyal factions including actors who were looking to line their own pockets and advance their own means, the fact that you can't comprehend this is very telling of why these abusive systems of power are able to prosper to this day.
@@MrDportjoe because I don’t support rioting like animals. Whether it be the couple hundred on January 6th that caused all the damage ( a couple of million dollars) the BILLIONS ($) in damage during the leftist BLM riots in 2020, or any other rioting garbage.
Notice how I called out both sides? I seriously doubt you’d do the same thing, particularly if you’re defending the scum of the earth Antifa, who have caused millions of dollars in damage in Portland alone.
The Detroit Destruction of concrete rubble was from the tanks, not he rioters.
Was this memorandum that broke down the black families, where the “black dead beat dad” stereotype came from?
Incredible. Create a problem, create a solution, solution doesn't work, blame the victims and ignore them. The bell will toll, eventually.
He forgot to mention the jobs that were lost when business moved, the staff, the support network - drivers, accountants etc
I hope you will release more of this !:)
How can you disable the dislikes?
Anyway:
"When I consider the protests today and the small group of rioters, I wish/pray that they would stop destroying buildings and just protest peacefully. "
See, and there is the problem: More often than not the Police will instigate violence. In the LA Riots in 1992 there were a great number of nonBlack business owners burning down their own businesses for the insurance. Over 75% of the Protests have been peaceful, but as you saw--hopefully--- that doesn't make the news..
What I've noticed in the comments as well is a lot of non-Black commenters are speaking on things they haven't really experienced but are quick to tell Black posters-- who actually studied more in depth thin this-- whether their views are actually legitimate. This can and will be used by right wing conservative racists to justify their racism. Proof? The comments themselves.
Miseducation through media is a huge issue and a way to control perception to never deal with the root. This is why we need to govern ourselves. Desegregation was no benefit to our families as the data shows.
African American poverty rates are lower than during segregation. African Americans are better educated than during segregation.
I think desegregation worked out, but left some people behind.
But the media is an example of people governing themselves.
He is right on some things and wrong on others, the long-lasting effects of the "ghetto riots" and impact on those communities he talked about were largely correct but he and us viewers have the charity of hindsight to work with, so it wasn't a case of being prophetic in seeing where events were heading. He is however wrong on the root causes and motivations behind the political systems that created the recipe for the unrest, in some instances he does not even address these to his arguments detriment, context is important. On a federal and state level throughout US history there was a constant pressure and calling for the destruction and derision of the "Negro" community (and other minorities) in order to keep the status quo of the historically white led power structure intact and unchallenged. This was ultimately a reckless and overall foolish mindset I might add, by virtue of the loss of sheer efficiency in which an entire part of society is neglected and unable to be utilized at optimal capacity due to systemic short-sighted racist principles and paranoia. With the civil rights movement in full swing and at its apex anyone could have told you that the unrest and turmoil was inevitable, the subsequent passing of the civil rights act of 1968 after the MLK Assassination riots prove this, the solutions were obvious but weren't attractive to the current power structure. In summary the effects of the race riots were relatively easy to predict, and the causes were wholly preventable and Dr.Anderson gets points for bringing attention to some of the former but loses points for neglecting to mention some of the latter.
Have you looked into the Kerner Commission report?
@@fbaallied I have not, thank you for pointing me there, I was speaking more from my research into COINTELPRO.
@@k1ah468 What you pointed out, is what the federal government under LBJ found out, LBJ refused to address it.
@@fbaallied I can imagine why he didn't like the report, considering it encapsulates the full scope of how the intentional and systemic disenfranchisement of the African American demographic by U.S. federal and state governing bodies ultimately created the conditions for the unrest in the first place.
@@k1ah468 Yup!
Wonderfully worded and explained and the neighborhoods are still in a similar condition...the irony is that we will say this is because of the rioting but we must understand the reasons the rioting happened in the first place...had there been economic, housing and education equality most of the neighborhoods would've been filled with black owned businesses like before - black policemen, firemen, doctors to serve the community, etc - Black Wall Street!!! (And we all know, the only rioting on Black Wall Street was done by the Ku Klux Klan!!!). It is economic and societal injustice along with the terror of police brutality that lead to the rioting and the tearing up of a community you don't own, just occupy and get mistreated in...which leads to more of the same...Rioting happens when reasoning has left the building and yes, all the consequences he stated are true and stand true today but so does the fact that it was/is a REACTION to something much bigger and badder!!!
"Racism is not dead, but it is on life support - kept alive by politicians, race hustlers and people who get a sense of superiority by denouncing others as “racists." - Thomas Sowell
Interesting video David. Governments destroy communities with benefits..
yes, Thomas Sowell said it first. an American Jewell he is.
Thomas Sowell is a terrible reference.
@@fbaallied clown world.
@The Joseph Colin Experiment Sowell thinks White ppl created ghetto Black culture. He's blaming you guys lol.
@@Joseph-Colin-EXP he's right. he is terrible. "Nonracist" white conservatives use him as a prop against Black people when getting called out.
Key saying here: Benign Neglect
What is your solution then? We have spent nearly 25 trillion dollars on the “war on poverty” since the 1960’s and it has done little to nothing to alleviate poverty.
I frankly get frustrated with platitudes like your comment. Should be spend 50 trillion? 100 trillion? continuing to do the same thing and expect a different result, which is the definition of insanity.
@@bannedbycommieyoutube5time920 Isn't repeating that "spending has done nothing" a negative sort of platitude? Define 'nothing'. The tiny roof over my elderly parents' heads isn't nothing. The bare minimum healthcare that they receive isn't nothing to me. My family is alive and not long dead because of welfare. I work a very physically demanding full time job, and I barely have enough money left over to eat every day, never mind care for my parents or save for the future. I couldn't possibly afford my own family, and maybe that's how the powers that be want it. Just workers; no families. Our family lines don't matter because we got unlucky once in America after 300,000 years of modern humanity. The spending power of near-minimum wage workers is so insignificant, they rely on welfare on top of that, especially if their loved ones have health problems. Because of those regular bailouts, the poor in this country at least have a fighting chance, particularly when it comes to healthcare and education. The war on poverty, that is, massive federal spending, is directly saving lives, but maybe they're not the lives you think are worth saving, so you complain about the cost (of saving my parents' lives), rather than think seriously about the underlying causes and system that puts the family of a full time laborer in that position. Moreover, it takes more than a generation for welfare to help families, because not every member is going to be born lucky enough healthwise to be lucky enough talentwise to become lucky enough economywise to become rich someday. Not only that, modern society has put incredible burdens on those trying to have children, thus limiting that chance of success and keeping families older and increasingly powerless to build up property so as to escape poverty. Nobody has figured out how to make industrialism sustainable, like agriculture, for human families. Also, the overall poor population is increasing despite dropping birth rates, because in the exact same timeframe as the war on domestic poverty was supposed to be a main goal of the nation, the government was also bound to assist 16 million migrants from failed socialist and military states in Latin America, the largest migration in such a short period in world history. Yeah, it's going to take longer and be more expensive than you hoped it would be to solve hundreds of years of serious problems. Doesn't that rather highlight the untenable wealth gap under such circumstances? Shouldn't it highlight the problem with building an economy that is hyper-efficient and concentrated in one category (high tech), but not in any other category that might benefit other innate talents of the overall population besides math? Rather than feel exasperation when considering the costs necessary to save millions of lives born into inequality of ability and poverty by no fault of their own, perhaps you should feel pride that we're trying to be ethical and sensible, and shame that we haven't done nearly enough yet. And, no, there couldn't possibly be a price estimate in a world of 8 billion people who are all destined to become helpless if they're not already. There needs to be a much more fundamental, comprehensive, long-term plan that does more for more people constructively. There is no such thing as 'benign' neglect. Neglect is designed to benefit those already benefitting, and to push the disadvantaged along toward death sooner rather than later. I can't fathom why any decent person would be attracted to that kind of toxic, morbid ideology.
@@johannpopper1493 you don’t make government policy decisions for 330+ million people based on just your family, my family, etc. That is emotion and anecdotes which are a horrible way to make government policy decisions. You look at the big picture.
You make policy decisions on what you get for each dollar you spend. If the policy in place isn’t materially making the issue significantly better (reducing poverty), then you either massively change the policy, or cut your losses and spend the money elsewhere.
Lastly, there are several other things you’re missing:
1. You, your parents, me, etc. are all responsible for our own actions/inactions. There is tons of opportunity in the USA. One has to make good decisions with education in an in demand field, not starting a family until one can afford it (and if you can’t, don’t have one). If you’re poor, it isn’t an excuse. Go into the service and then your college/trade school is free 4 years later. You end up in the middle class most of the time if you graduate high school and don’t have kids out of wedlock.
I’ll use myself as one example just for illustrative purposes. I accept the work that I have put in puts me in the middle class. I could work harder/smarter, I can look myself in the mirror and make a list of things I could do. The difference between you and me is, I accept where I am at. I accept the consequences of my actions means my housing, education, healthcare, etc. is going to be worse than someone who made better choices and makes significantly more money than I do. Any other system removes personal accountability and disincentivizes hard work, smart work, delayed gratification, planning, and sacrifice.
2. The majority of people on federal handouts have now been on them for nearly 3 generations. This means it has become hammock. Generations of people who take handouts, never learn to think for themselves. It’s modern day slavery. Trade handouts for votes. The proof is in the data. Cause and effect based on human nature.
@@bannedbycommieyoutube5time920 Understood. You think human nature is lazy, my parents weren't responsible, and the people constitute government in order to foster a desperate environment in which they might have incentive, especially for the most disadvantaged.
I don't believe people are lazy, and I think they constitute government to achieve things individuals cannot. Thus, I have a few questions.
1. Are people responsible for the diseases that are visited upon them? If so, how? If not, why wouldn't government exist almost solely in the domestic sphere to provide healthcare in order to foster equality of opportunity?
2. Why do you think all people are equally of sound brain? Physical inequality being the case, why don't you seem to regard that as a healthcare problem? And moreover, one that seriously impacts everybody in the communities in which they live?
3. Why do you think specifically Social Security and Medicare are failures? What data shows taking care of the (including middle class) elderly and the sick to have a negative impact on society? Of course, lifespans have dramatically increased on average since these programs were established. We can fight cancer and heart disease for the first time in history. Little children have a fighting chance. You don't regard this as a good, if not the preeminent, universal human goal?
All 300 million+ Americans forever will become sick, old, injured, about half severely so. Advanced healthcare is extremely expensive, and very few people are outstandingly intelligent enough, willing to work in healthcare, and can afford the education necessary, without also receiving federal aid. I need not finish that deduction. If that's not a universal problem for policy makers, what is? What's bigger picture than clear inequalities of ability and opportunity? As if these problems didn't exist prior to welfare, with neglect resulting in even more suffering proportional to the much smaller population. Yet, we must still build a strong nation out of the materials we have, not out of wishful thoughts like "everyone is equal" and "nature is good". We're equal in value, never ability, and nature is everything good and bad.
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1. Depends on the disease, some are self imposed and some aren’t (type 1 vs type 2 diabetes for example). Everyone has ailments they must overcome, genetic or otherwise. There is no reasonable way to even this out. By what criteria? Just healthcare? What about IQ? How about height? Looks? All of these things and many others impact someone’s life in a material way (the average Wall Street CEO is over 6ft 1 as one of many examples. There is absolutely no way a government can even all of these things out, it ends up with the centralization of WAY too much power, which always leads to tyranny, and the bigger and more diverse the country is, the worse it is.
2. No one is equal mentally either. If they are mentally ill, we agree we should have asylums like we used to to take care of those people (hopefully better than before, the state run facilities were horrendous - typical government at work ). As for the severely mentally challenged, they should also be taken care of. Everyone else should fend for themselves, otherwise we get what we have today, tons of freeloaders, people who don’t plan for the future, etc.
3. Social security and Medicare should not exist. Medicaid can remain for children and poor elderly people. Not the governments responsibility to take care of so many people who should plan ahead for themselves. People need to save their money, live within their means, and have less kids/no if necessary. Go into most poor neighborhoods and you see people driving nicer cars, $1,000+ phones, smoking, drinking (liquor stores on every corner), kids running around with no supervision. It’s personal accountability and behavior issues primarily, and the government enables it with the social programs you seem to like so much. If young people saw more single mothers and old people in the gutter for their poor choices, they’d be far more likely clean up their acts. It’s basic human nature, learn the easy way or the hard way.
The single motherhood thing in particular is massively destructive to society. It didn’t used to be prevalent bc the consequences for that foolish behavior were swift and severe. Now, roughly half of kids are now born out of wedlock and by every available metric they do way worse. Offing themselves, joining gangs, teen parents, 85% of federal inmates never knew their father, dropping out of school, lifelong poverty. We enable this behavior by subsidizing it, and it’s absolutely appalling.
Eddie Murphy is a fantastic actor.
Very smart guy
Reparations for slavery is unworkable but reparations for the fall out from desegregation should be seriously considered. How many black civics servants, teachers, and business owners lost their jobs when segregation ended? An effort should be made to compensate those people.
Oh, it's ''workable'' alright. '
"Pay us like you owe us for all the years that you hoed us / we can talk but money talks so talk more bucks"
@@fbaallied This old dud Nathaniel has *serious* mental issues.
@@fbaallied but how can a dollar amount be determined? And how many generations need to be compensated? It is a hugely complex problem with no solution that will ever gain widespread support. Compensation for people who were directly impacted by the economic fall out from the preferred treatment of whites during desegregation is much more direct.
@Nathaniel Greer Read up on the works of Dr Sandy Darity: _From Here to Equality_ , He breaks down the figures.
Woodrow Wilson had a lot to do with the removal of black people from certain positions specifically civil services. He didn't like them getting promoted and make more money.
It is workable the country is just dragging their feet.
Interesting timing - the AP just posted an article with some recommended upcoming entertainment this year. Here's a synopsis of a movie coming out relating to this topic:
- The title of Sierra Pettengill’s “Riotsville, USA” refers to a fake town the U.S. military created in the 1960s to hold exercises mimicking police and military response to rioting. The drills, staged in front of cardboard storefronts, helped make a violent playbook for controlling the era’s social unrest. “A door swung open in the late ’60s,” reads Charlene Modeste in narration penned by essayist Tobi Haslett. “And someone, something, sprang up and slammed it shut.” Using archival footage from those exercises, “Riotsville, U.S.A,” which debuts Thursday on Hulu, wearily surveys the militarization of the police force.