CARRIER EcoBlue PACKAGE UNIT INSTALL
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- Опубликовано: 13 мар 2024
- A nice little 5 ton Carrier package unit install
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What I started doing on those boards, instead of putting the 24v hot and common on the thermostat wire terminals, I put spades on them and used the spade connections in the middle of the board that say 24v and common. That way I only have one set of wires being tightened down on the terminal board. And those Carrier ultra low nox are notorious for having that "fluttering" sound. Like you did have to play with gas pressure or they also sell a separate baffle kit. It is a big issue with that equipment.
Finally got around to finishing this video. Those Carrier Ecoblue units are weird, and those ultra low-nox gas furnaces are even weirder. Very finicky and altitude sensitive.
12:08 "what should we make the gears out of?" "the cheapest plastic you can find."
Those large plastic gears can last forever if properly sized. We have candy wrapping machines that are 30 years old and run almost 24/7 and the plastic gears are all original still.
you guys bump into my satellite dishes and keep me in business lmaoo
We are very careful around the satellite dishes, but I do have to remind my techs not to take cinder blocks from the active dishes…
@@HVACRVIDEOS I wish all companies were as good as yours!
Why not mount them properly? We've been using them for many years now and there are ways to mount them. I even know that from my own house before I got a proper connection, you don't just let them stay there and hope for the best.
@@Bjurran they don't drill/mount them on commercial/flat roofs, so they don't have the liability for causing roof leaks.
please guys, give that operator and his supervising buddy a big salut. excellent positioning. nice teamwork.
Mega press is a huge time and money saver for me. We do generators, so a lot of gas stuff.
I went with the M18 mega press but the M12 press does work for up to 1”. I now only carry up to 12” nipples and just cut and press it for over a foot. The fittings are expensive but you save on the pipe when buying 21’ sticks. Also saves tons of time over threading
That is a crazy curb adapter. 2:00 it really looks like it shifts to the right and back.
I bet it is so flexible, it swallos any possible virbation from the unit. It looks somewhere between ridiculous and scary.
I really like the way this video is put together, Chris. There is a lot packed into just over 30 minutes. I liked the way the camera was positioned when the lifting operation were taking place in that it was possible to see both Chris's hand signals to the crane operator and what actually happened. It may be simple to some people but some of us have never worked with a crane before and seeing it in practice helps. There was also enough in this video to provide some insight into these new units and their operation. Thank you.
You know you start growing up when this thing starts looking like a beauty. Loved the install video.
26:19 - You were right the first time: it’s call an LB in the trade. I like using LBs because they are easier to pull through than a saddle.
The way I understand economizers, codes now have the dry bulbs set so high because of efficiency AND they are assuming you are connecting 2 stage stats (regardless if the mechanical cooling only is 1 stage). Stage 1 will just run economizer but stage 2 will turn on mechanical cooling with economizer still full open. Theory is 73deg OA is cheaper than 75deg return air to cool. And if it can’t keep up then it turns on compressor. This will not work though unless you have a Y2 input I think.
I know exactly where this is, just up the street from my dad’s house. I was just at that shopping center yesterday afternoon too. Small world! I’m only 3 minutes into the video, will finish watching after work.
awesome video with a great camera angle/point of view showing "the set" 3:00 while reveling the hand signals to the crane operator that are universal . . . mic-drop #respect from Arizona
Thanks so much for the nice words!
Jeez those economizer boards are just ridiculous. I have had really good luck with the Belimo ones.
Yeah pure junk
Belimo are the catsass
lol at waiting for conduit benders, then cannot do offsets. they can be a real pain in the rear, especially if it needs multiple offsets and bends in a shirt area.
until middle of last year, I hardly bent but a few sticks in 25+ years, boy was I rusty and forgot how 180lbs could barely bend 3/4" EMT, then I recalled how much fun it was(yeah nope) when I only weighed 145lbs. it was so long ago I forgot how to do or measure for offsets, internet search to the rescue! I also never bothered to buy benders until last year(lol)
Nice work
Really good job I like it 👍
Looking at the conduit, really nice work. I also was surprised as the wiring in the unit looked quite tidy and bundled up this time, not the rats nest we could enjoy in your videos as it comes from the factory way more often than I like. Still not up to how I would set up the electrical panel myself, but yeah, I guess here it comes down to some balance betwen cost and clean/maintainable wiring. And I get it, doing it absolutely neat and tidy with all technical and material means available, they add some cost for sure. But at least we got it tidy and not running across things, keeping everything accesible here, which in reality is all we ask for.
Tip when you put silicone on stuff for sealing up on outside installations. As long as you don´t need to make everything "airtight" (within reason), which the gaskets should take care of, keep the underside open at some point, so possible moisture can get out again, especially should the silicone on the top fail.
Professional, carrier should be sponsoring these videos on top of the other sponsers
Trane rtu has a red and green led light for phase ,,simple if you see green led your good..red led, swap wires
it may be worth your while to buy and keep stocked 1/2"(maybe 3/4") nipple sets/organizers for the gas line and get fittings in bulk bags(much cheaper in the long run).
instead of playing around threading/cutting on the roofs, it should all be done down at the truck/van, because those metal chips can puncture the roofing membrane if stepped on or something gets set on top of them. yeah, it doesn't look as professional with a bunch of couplings and nipples, but threading isn't fun and press tools are too expensive unless you use them daily.
Those boxes are LR. Hold it like a gun and where the access panel is is what it is. LB - on the top, LR - on the right, LL - on the left.
Really thorough install. Feel like a lot of guys now don’t do half of the things done on a install like this
This is the last ever video of the HVACR videos videos with the old, original Parker-Sporlan intro
If you are new here, this video is brought to you by sporlan, and if you’re old enough you’ll also know some videos are brought to you by PBS, the public broadcasting station. I feel the same nostalgia every time Chris posts his videos with that intro 😂
Siemens and belimo always have actuators backwards. And yes they are way more complicated compared to jade.
Also our plumbing side is always doing mega press. So fast. But in your case a portable threader is probably more useful
8:29 A little sticker from the manufacturer with the phases could have helped the installer, costs a few cents.
THIS is one of the parts where standardization makes work a little bit more easy.
In Europe, it is basically fixed set by regulation to following colours: L1 = brown, L2=black, L3=grey, Neutral=blue, PE=green/yellow.
Laymen and unprofessional workers tend to mix this up sometimes, and of course there are older installations with different colours, but for at least 20 years this is fixed and makes working rather easy.
Older colour codes were L1=black(not set up by regulations, but mostly the conductor between "heaven and earth"(blue and green/yellow)), L2=brown, L3=black, N=blue, PE=green/yellow.
Or in the 1960s black,grey,red,blue(L1,PE+N,L2,L3). Red was L3, but could be protective earth in single phase circuits or switched conduit also! This was dangerous, so they came up with two-coloured wires for protective earth ONLY, absolutely ONLY and NEVER for something else, so even colourblind people could distinguish the wires.
Yeah you are right, there used to be all black phase cables. Or for single phase standard colors have been black blue yeelow/green, which makes many people assume black is the first phase. In reality both black or brown would have been appropriate colors for those cables all the time. Back in the times of all black 3phase or 5 wire cables i remember the better ones at least having number 1, 2, 3 stamped on the black wires.
Do the press tool for the gas line, you’ll use it more then you realize and it’s a huge time saver
Great video, as usual I've learnt more about servicing the new equipment in a shorter time than most OEM classes I attend.
Estupendo trabajo el tuyo y de tu equipo, mis más sinceras felicitaciones para todos ustedes son trabajos para sentirse orgullosos.
Gracias Chris por darme la oportunidad de aprender. Saludos a todos desde Coacalco Edo de México.
My residence is serviced by 208/240 3-phase and I put one of those 5-ton/gas packs on my house. So far so good.
Intresting how every ac unit has an duct unit that controls the unit.
In australia with duct units that will connect to the fire control panel and there will also be a relay that is controled by the fire control panel for shutting down the ac.
Some brigades also want to have control over the ac at the fire control panel
Look into the Milwaukee M18 threader. Very portable and easy to use. Get a rigid vice and you are good to go. I prefer threaded fittings for gas personally.
Have run into that fluttering before on the resi ultra low nox units a few times
Good job Chris, I think a Milwaukee or Rigid portable threader would be a better choice than a propress for gas lines, you would get more use out of it and it would be cheaper.
As always I've learnt many good things from this install. I love how neat your gas and conduit is. Setting the airflow was helpful to see. Taking the door off to burn out the smell was genius. And so much more! Thank you!!
Ultra low nox=guaranteed problems. Heat pumps are better especially in warm climates
Why not a heatpump?
Beautiful install! Everything documented at startup for reference in the future. Working as intended. A portable threader would simplify your gas piping and you wouldn’t have to rely on someone else cutting and threading per your instructions
Beautiful start up. Thanks Chris!
Thanks bud
Great work, Chris.
Love how through your videos are. Great work.
Why was the curb adapter so offset? Is it so the output and return are lined up vertically with the curb? Because there looked like two outputs there...
That looks super pretty. Nice work.
I like the pro press handle.
Nice Job Chris !
That was a great video!....It's good to Will in there too!
Nice clean install Chris!
Love your videos! First video I've seen where I could see the name of your business
you can usually use a regular 1/4", 3/8" or 1/2" extension "backwards" to remove the square head pipe plugs on the manifolds/valves. that gets you out away from the tight areas, then just use your regular wrenches on the other end. if that fails 12-point sockets will work too. 🥸
That curb fits perfectly. Who makes them for you guys?
I love your quality of work and how you present it!
Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
Why is the new curb so tall and offset to one side?
Clean install! 👏🏻
Great install! I enjoy your knowledgeable videos. Wish our company operated like this lol
Mega press is awesome. You mentioned 12v in the video. I think that’s only pro press. Mega would likely be 18v.
We also have the battery operated threader. As some one who likes to thread their gas lines I find myself using the press more often though. They have their pros and cons but for this install as an example, the press would have it done in less than an hour. Threader still has all of the set up with oil and stand. Where as you can bring one hand held tool onto the roof with the appropriate size head.
Take time to do the preliminary work and thing will go smoothly
Tri stand, ridgid hand threader, spray lube for occasional use does it for me. Only take a few minutes to cut and thread. Fairly low cost. Dies may be the same on power threader if you wanted to upgrade later.
As alway a very thorough install!
Why didn't you press the copper cap?
The condensate drain is awesome. Does your AHJ require it to be painted?
Great 👍🏽 video
Just great content, keep it coming 👌
I hate having to go down to southern California, but it looks kinda pretty wherever this is.
I've never seen a burner like that in a carrier... Must be a new design
What is that heat section!? I havent seen one of those yet, used to the old school carrier open burners
This low nox units the gas pressure sweet spot seems to be 2.8 on package units. We’ve been dealing with them the past 2-3 years here in central California. If the gas pressure is off it’ll make weird jet noises and overheat
Sheeeshhh. Looks good Chris!
Nice job from crane driver ❤
Yorks are a pain and not only that, we also seen a lot of failures with them and leaks on the microchannel coils. We like Trane and Carrier here in SFL.
Are you guys not allowed to press the drains? Or you just like to solder them?
Chris, nice install. Do you use HTSG on the rubbers of the smoke detectors' outside cover? or leave them dry as they are? Do they allow you to do that for extra weather intrusion protection?
Why the offset??
Clean work. Thank you for explaining the smoke detectors. Also are those hats for sale in your pod room
Thanks
Great video! Clean install! York sucks!
gas flutter from wind coming in the service panel?
I clicked on this like it was a news network, keep up the good work I’ve learned so much in a short time from you and your channel. First year in service making sure to be thorough always excited for the growth ahead.
Curious how you seal up the holes made for testing static? Been trying to find the best was to get the static readings and this seems like it. But how shall I seal the holes?
They make little plugs that snap in the holes
Where can I purchase that USB for the economizer control?
How are these units not coming with hail guards??
Duct detectors should be installed on the supply duct.with a gas unit it needs to go below roof.
Was the old supply and return measured while the old unit still on the curb or did you go off of the model/ serial number to match the curb up
I’ve had to do both but MTI manufacturing can usually match them up with models and serials. If you have a good rep at the supply house he’ll just take care of it for you - at least my guy at Carrier does
I took the measurements from the side discharge return supply you are one of the best owners in this hvac field I enjoy every video you post excellent work @@hvacmisadventures
I have several issues with their economizer a
Dud you put the sampling tunes in the smoke detector?
Sorry should watch the whole video first.
is it York unit was named after yikes?
Why not spin the unit 180 so power can be closer to the disconnect? And why not use a simple pvc drain instead of copper? Are codes different in Arizona?
Thats a valid question, I will try and touch on that during my Monday night live stream
Landlord / property owner here, I've had the best luck and most reliability out of Carrier machines. All of my change outs are with Carrier machines.
After 22 years in the trade, installing, servicing and repairing, Carrier is trash…..
24:04 - I see you have Piston set as your metering device. Won’t that skew MeasureQuick’s diagnostics?
26:04 - The math is easy when you use 30 degree bends: double the distance of your offset needed to get the distance between the opposite bends. Also, you are using the correct term: LB - for ell back. They also make an ell left (LL) and ell right (LR) depending on the orientation you need; but, we’ve never made the distinction and just call them all LBs no matter the orientation. I like using LBs because they’re easier to pull through than a 90 or a saddle.
No it was a piston
What's the app you use ??
28:37 Siemens... The answer is Siemens. Built by engineers, for engineers, and as complex and frustrating as possible.
That’s a Monstrosity of a curb adapter.
Chris, help me to understand why you had such an big offset on the curb.
Changing over from those old, smaller capacity Yorks always seems to come with a huge curb offset. Just did one of those Yorks to a Trane Precedent and the offset was kinda wild looking too.
It did end up rocking on me slightly and I felt like a hack doing it (funny enough this was probably the total opposite of hack though) and after lifting the unit back up to check existing curb and that there were no obstructions, I drilled 2-3 holes down each side and used some large lag screws and sent them into the curb. It’s holding strong now
@@hvacmisadventures Thank you. I knew there was something I was not seeing. I use to heavy commercial and industrial before I retired.
I hear it cost more than an arm and a legs to get a unit replaced in Cali
It’s the cost of business not just the unit 😏
What a horrible location for the economizer module.
Why would the not use the new hex heed stems on the gas valve! Be better WR and Carrier.
Those ultra low nox units are strange looking. When setting the fan speed on ecoblue units, you need to be running high speed fan. G and Y1 are low speed, W and Y2 are high speed and the taps you put the meter leads in show the speed signal for high speed fan no matter what it’s actually running at. So if you give it a call for G, your static will be low speed reading but your vdc is for high speed.
One problem I noticed with your smoke wiring. Power supply for smoke can not come off the tstat thermals. Pull 24v off of the transformer. When the smoke trips you will loose 24v at the tstat terminals causing smoke to operate incorrectly and you will fail your inspection .Ask me how I know....
Based off those numbers, how do you know it’s the return that’s restricted?
I'm just saying it's restricted more than the supply aide but both could use some duct renovations to drop the total external static pressure
@@HVACRVIDEOS ok thanks, I’m just trying to learn a little more about static pressures and know what the numbers mean
Looks like Carrier changed there gas burner section.
Is that the low-nox type burner? I’ve put dozens of ecoblue units in recently in NC and they still have the normal looking burner section. I’ve never seen that one before - thought it was modulating at first until he started talking about it
Why in the world is that unit so offset on the curb?
Yummmmmm
Wonder why they changed the burner design?
Good question, let discuss this on Monday
I think the belimo ecomizers are easier and the ultra low knox its no good
That is a strange looking burner! Only 1 orifice but still has a regular looking heat exchanger???