Acorn to Arabella - Journey of a Wooden Boat - Episode 82: Working on Prop Shaft Fittings
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- We are getting farther up the hull with the planking and as we do so, we are nearing the point at the stern where the propeller shaft will go through. We need to get this hole bored before we plank past it because we are going to need to be able to align our bore perfectly level (our shaft is level to the water line).
Before we start to bore though, we want to make sure that we have all the pieces made and ready to be installed so that everything can go right in after the hole is ready and nothing will move before we get a chance to instal.
We will be reusing Victoria's exterior fitting for the cutless bearing but also need to make a fixture on the internal portion of the stern post to accept the stuffing box. There are no fittings that enter and lay on the stern post at the correct angle we have, so, we are going to be making our own with our Bridgeport milling machine, metal lather and help from our good friend Joe!
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Acorn to Arabella is a boat building project taking place in Granby, Massachusetts. Steve and Alix started as amateur boat builders building their own 38' wooden boat in their backyard: designer William Atkin's Ingrid with a Stormy Petrel's gaff rig. These videos follow the journey from tree felling, to lumber milling, to lofting, to the lead keel pour and beyond-sharing details of the woodworking, carpentry, metal smithing, tool building, and tool maintenance that wooden boats command. This ultimate DIY project will continue well past launch, when they will travel and learn to cruise aboard the boat that they've built. Just kidding about all that, this channel is about a Siberian Laika named Akiva.
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Men like Joe are worth their weight in gold many times over in the day and age of cnc machines and Everything being computer controlled to see an old school craftsman such as him working is a real treat
totally agree, i've watched foundries close with the loss of ALL the collective knowledge disappearing,that knowledge is unreplaceable
Yes Sir, That's like watching an artist at work
Every apprentice and newly graduated from trade school machinist I've ever worked with starts out on a manual mill for at least half a year before moving on to a CNC. Most have stayed on a manual mill for a year or longer.
Agree, he explained things really well.
@@operator0 understand that mate wasn't a comment on today's training was a nod to the level of skill and knowledge learned over a lifetime of doing manually what is mostly done with new tech these days it's always great to see the foundation and fundamental skills of any trade being displayed and explained by a craftsman
I know i shouldn't laugh Steve but that shovel repair made me chuckle.
It was pure Pat & Mat. I even shed a few tears.
You should laugh... Its not disrespectful. We all muff things up...So laugh....It was very funny. And besides, karma will mess you up, anyhow... ;D then everyone else gets a laugh...
Yeah! Too funny. Something I’d do for sure.
Same here. I said, "Whoops!" Out loud involuntarily.
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Working my way through episodes and, for me, this was a favorite. It was great to see Joe at work. His hands look like those of a true craftsman!
Welding the shovel to the bench is a classic , and something I would do for sure , seriously these videos are the highlight of my Friday
Really enjoy how the elders are taking the time to help out. Such a wealth of knowledge and years of experience to rely on.
Friday morning, my coffee and Acorn to Arabella. Only problem I have is it is too short! I'll be sad when it is all done. I sure hope these Friday mornings with you guys continue when the sailing begins! You guys are awesome! Thank you very much.
Ive been watching this get built from the pour of the lead keel, and i must say im very impressed. Keep up the fantastic work everyone!
Joe is a national treasure. A joy to watch someone work metal and make something so beautiful
Let's give some props to that machinist. That's a hell of a job he did.
the fact that you posted the shovel story, it shows that you have humor, I liked it, I laughed so hard
Absolutely. That was quality.
It's great watching old-school machinists at work.
Joe steals the steals the show! Nice work!
The shovel tacked to the table is a crack-up Made me smile because I have done the same
Makes my week to see an Acorn to Arabella vid and to see the skills that Alix has learnt. Yes there are many ways to arrange stern gear and I love the angled stuffing box that you and Joe have fabricated. If someone wishes to fit one with a 90 degree angle you can always build out a chock off the sternpost.
I think so many people laughed at the shovel scene just goes to show your human and......how many of us have had similar welding "oh bugger it’s"....you got it done, that’s the main thing. 👍🏼😊
Doug will be proud of you Alix, you took to welding like a duck to water. The stern gland is yet another work of art.
Joe is a magician, so skilled and therapeutic to watch.
You gentlemen take pride in you high Quality workmanship. I see a well built Arabella.
I have been a fan from the get go , have watched every episode at least once and look forward every week for a new episode. I admire your growth. New tools. Your expanded safety protocol. The video production. Etc. As a certified journeyman mechanic and as the retired associate director of education for the electrical industry in NYC I can say well done. I wonder where you get your energy and motivation. As a sailor for over 60 years I applaud your project. As a Forman I wonder at your projected time frame including the interiors and rigging. I of course want to participate in the seafaring so keep the videos coming. I wish you fail winds and following seas. Paitance and fortitude fellas. ...
Did anybody else turn thier head and look away when Alex and Steve struck an arc on the welder?
LoL, some habits die hard👍
Yep, old habits
no, but I imagined my self coughing during the stick welding parts.
Yes! I felt irrationally uncomfortable the entire time I was looking at the arc.
He thinks touching the leads can kill him...its like 20 volts just a little uncomfortable
Yep! I did. LOL
Nice job! This is a magnificent blend of talent! From machining to woodworking to videography! Thanks for sharing!
Having Joe there is priceless. Nothing better than access to a talented machinist. I think the choices that you’re making make it YOUR BOAT. Don’t listen to the couch geniuses.
Your group is educational , entertaining and at times quite comical . I enjoy the few times you are all standing at to understand scratching your head thinking OK , now what ? I know nothing about boats except when there are sharks about . Don't get out of the boat ! LOL THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOU VOYAGE OF DISCOVERY , SO TO SPEAK .
As "AvE" would say: ... "Grinder and paint makes me the welder I ain't"..... good work guys!!!
Cant forget the safety squints
Cooooorntact!
The whole time I was watching them working on the Bridgeport I was thinking “if only they had contacted AvE with his “town pump” CNC!” I’m pretty sure he would have been able to get that done for them. Would have loved to have watched him explain his thought process on programming the Haas CNC system for those parts!
Yes indeed there's many ways to fashion a prop shaft penetration through the sternpost. Your method seems entirely othodox to me as I've seen many similar on wood boats. It makes sense to mount the engine well aft for weight distribution but your boat tapers to nothing. The engine has to be accessed to be repaired and maintained. Stuff it in too tight and you can't get at the starter, for example. Trial location of the engine a few inches forward or aft might require relocation of several other engine related elements. Every book I've seen on yacht design has lengthy chapters on this very topic.
I'm sure you fellows have designed Arabella's engine placement in detail but for the benefit of others with anbitious boat projects in mind, engine placement should be worked out in some detail as you converge on the final design. The engine and appurtanances can create a very congested space. Besides propellor circle, placement, service and repair access, and weight and moment, you have to figure interferences with tankage, steering gear, location of cooling lines with hull penetrations and stop valves, engine exhaust and its overboard connection, batteries, battery cables, ventillation and bilge blower suction routing, flooding alarm sensors, throttle and reverse linkage, lighting, fire safety, plus all the perfect disaster scenarios you can imagine (like losing the wind entering a rocky pass, and the starter solonoid clicks but nothing happens. Meanwhile, the current carries you towards the rocks as you tear out the companion ladder, find a dead flashlight, calm your screaming passengers, find the voltmeter, etc, etc. Ten unattentive minutes at the drawing board can lead to loss of the vessel or even fatal consequences years later.)
I've installed a couple dozen engines in new vessels and re-powered a few older ones. I've found it time well spent to suspend the engine in position before installing the bed stringers just to be sure your design agrees with reality. The drawings supplied by engine manufacturers are seldom detailed enough to route piping connections or vertical access, for example. An accurate man-portable engine and reverse gear mock-up may be worth the building. In an ideal world, the engine room would be spacious as a besketball court. Most boat engine rooms are very compact with little space to access the dipstick, the coolant level, much less inspect the stuffing box. The same space containing the same elements can be accessible and maintainable or impossible depending on arrangement. Moving the exhaust line two inches may make all the difference in the world in servicing the stuffing box so plan carefully.
Forrest Addy .....you sir should be on speed dial !
Well said,been there
Totally agree with Forest and until the engine placement is known you can't build the prop shaft because you won't know the length to make it.
That diesel is so important when near a lee shore one could justify putting it just aft of the main mast with the dining table on top! I laugh at the people who want to change the environment by dumping their diesel and putting in an electric motor and battery system ( idealism )...
When I was a 13 and drawing my round the world boat, I used to have discussions with the headmaster of my school who was a WWII US Navy man. He liked my boat I was drawing but said he liked diesel power. I liked sail power since that is what I had experience with. I'm sure he's gone now and while I still like sail - I love the diesel engine! It is the most reliable and thermally efficient internal combustion engine. Without fossil fuel we are going back to human slavery.
I sailed from Oahu to Pohnpei IS. on a 48 on deck wooden Alden type stail'sl schooner. She was a good fast sailer but we still used that engine for days on end when becalmed. It also saved the boat once when the anchor dragged at Majuro Atoll.
all good advice! Most of my boat design experience has been in the realm of superyachts. It's so nice to have the luxury of an engine room that's larger than the apartment I live in, with the engines mounted in the middle of the room with plenty of access all around, and often with a full machine shop right there in the room.
You guys, and the folks you bring in to help you, are true craftsmen. Awesome solution!
Here in New Zealand I watch your video every saturday morning with my breakfast. I then feel motivated to get out and do stuff on my projects (not a boat but still pretty big).
Hi I'm a tugboat captain from south Louisiana I think you should look into packing free dripliss packing glands we use them down here on the Mississippi river and they are a Bulletproof way to keep water out of your boat They use of rubber insert that uses water pressure from the outside to seal around shaft and minimize wear but keep water out you should really look into it you don't have to worry over or under tightening you don't have to worry about your packing at all no Greece needed at all Absolutely the easiest and best way to go about it now
I find this post interesting in that sprinkler systems for fire suppression use the same method to seal connectors on pipe. The water pressure in the pipe keeps the seals tight and when pressure is released the seal is gone. I don't know how this would work on a boat but if it works for a tugboat captain why not yours.
Seems lots of people say they joined your Channel at the Lead Keel pour (exactly the same for me).. YT Suggestions are often ludicrous and are nowhere near the topics you are actually watching but if I could, I would thank them because the build is simply wonderful and getting better and better..
Hey, we want to see what the shovel looks like after sand-blasting it!
So when you were sitting in basic Geometry, Algebra and mathematical concepts yes addition and multiplication, division and subtraction and wondering when you may ever use that again? The answer is, when I build my boat from the trees up! Nice work Joe and the guys. You won't be able to sail her, because you will be beaming with pride of your long and hard work dream come true.
what a gorgeous lathe!
Respect to Joe the Machinist!!!!
Talking to other experts & with your knowledge I trust you're making the right decisions. Machinists & tool makers are a dying breed, Joe is a master.
I was a tool & die machinist for a little over 20 years. Now I'm an old fart restoring an old bass boat. Coming along
@@johnbeatty3821 I'd like to see the works in progress.
@@johnbeatty3821 Many of us "old farts" are pretty handy. I'm an old fart & a woodworker, fishing bait maker, model maker.
I enjoyed stock making back when I was into gunsmithing, but...I have enough guns. As far as the boat is concerned, I am preparing to replace the oil seals and the water pump in the lower unit. At that point, I can start using it and make improvements at a more leisurely pace as funds allow.
So far, all I have done is trailer repairs, tires,winch strap, etc. I put in a new circuit for the trolling motor, and replaced the seats. Still waiting on parts for the lower unit. The weather in Tennessee has finally cooled so I can now work in relative comfort
One suggestion on the custom drive hardware you are making, like the stuffing box. MAKE SOME SPARES NOW WHEN IT IS EASY! :) Nice vid as always.
Best advice ever!
Amen!
"But first, I have to learn how to weld". I've been saying this for the last few years
get a stick welder , some square tube and make you a welding table
easy project to learn and cheap
The first words of every great adventure.
Love watching the old school craftsmanship.
Loved watching the milling process! That fit in the end was soooo satisfying 👍
I have so enjoyed watching this process. This is my first comment. One of the best parts has been seeing the progress and growth of Alix's abilities and skills in wood and metal working. Keep on and be safe.
Acorn to Arabella, Engles coach shop and the History Guy. My Saturday morning reasons to not get off the couch till 8.30 or so.😎
I have to say I am a little anxious about inboard/ outboard alignment. My experience is of somewhat larger vessels, where the hole would be bored before truing with a cutting shaft on plummer blocks. A continuous tube was then inserted. I will, as always, be interested to see how this arrangement works out. BTW the shovel welding was magical.
I just finished bing watching all 99 videos on this playlist over the past week. I like the use of real time audio overlay-ed with the time lapse video.
I'm just amazed at the quality (and quantity!) of work that you guys are doing. Awesome project! Thanks for posting these videos.
Love your show it's like the outsider same tone . Thanks
The shovel made my day...
Nice way to mount the shaft, hats off to old school craftsmanship. Never buy what you can make and make well. Can't wait to see you planking in cedar, it should go very fast. Thanks again for documenting your build.
LMFAO at the shovel!!!! The second you laid it on the table I started laughing! I've done that, and it is SO frustrating!!!!🤣
I would personally recommend against the rubber tube type stern seal simply because when they fail it is a catastrophic failure i.e. water rushes in and boat sinks! The lip seal and stuffing types are far safer as they fail gradually and therefore they are a lot less worry.
You aren't a welder until you've welded something to the table (inadvertently). Welcome aboard, welder.
Watching y'all build Arabella over time has been great and enjoyable, but that shovel repair... that was entertainment!!
Joe is an amazing machinist - that fitting for the stuffing box is a work of art! Stephen your welding skills are getting really good. Next time consider masking off the turned area of the shaft so the slag spatter does not contaminate that beautiful precision surface. The shovel welded to the table - thanks for putting that in - I bet you all had as good a laugh as we did. What a great episode! Thanks!
One thing I will say is think about where the water from the stuffing box is going to go now, having a pan that leads to a bilge pump will be super handy, verses trying to figure it out once everything is all closed up.
I just lost my shaft seal, and holy crap what a mess that was! Definitely has me re-thinking how I will reinstall it in the future now that I am up on the hard getting a refit done.
nice to see you making a ton of progress since that lead keel video.
watching your videos since then.
Tony & Susan here, vary nice piece of hardware. Just fantastic !
Twenty minute video is just not enough! Love what you guys are doing.
Holy Heck! Been watching quite a while. I sure hope y'all have this in detail on record. This content is Gold!
I am glad you have gathered such a talented group to add to your team, With them and your awesome talents this will move forward. One of the best video stories online!
Sexy bronze. Came out sooo nice. I love how this boat build just keeps getting better and better. I have a 46ft Colin archer ketch. Looks identical almost. I don't think these boats were ever built to the standard you guys are taking it too. Keep on being awesome. Don't mind the couch experts, they are a noisy lot. I look foward to the day I finally meet you on the water somewhere.. I will be able to tell my kids that's the best wooden boat in the world and I watched it get built.
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The Priceless in enrichment of customization , finding the ability to manufacture all your own pieces and parts priceless especially over butchering to make what's available that usually cost a lot more , value is very much in the eye of the beholder ,
With my experience just because it's on the Shelf today doesn't mean it will be down the road and when you need to replace it memes having to manufacture something or butcher again to use what's found on the Shelf at the time .
From Arabella to RUclips you two gentlemen , keeping and using old technology alive alongside new technology you gentlemen are definitely a gift of inspiration !!!!!!!!9
I really don't see how anything else other than adding to rather than take away from your sternpost which which wouldn't have been any better I don't see a better solution than yours if there's any out there it would be interesting to see or hear .
I do know in a small boat trim can make a difference with speed or smoothing out the ride would this be the same in a larger vessel does trim make a difference help smoothing out the ride or increase speed when needed or does it make a difference at all ?
Awesome! Glad yall are able to utilize the prop shaft piece from Victoria. I remember helping cleaning up. I always look forward to Fridays and to view the production! Hopefully, when yall sail, I'll be able to see it or join on the adventure. Looking forwards to it all. Great work, love the logic.
Thought for a while there you guys better call this old Tony but you knocked it outta the park!
I am thrilled to follow along with you men. Thank you for sharing your adventure with us.
Great video! I loved watching Joe work on the lathe.... a true artisan. Thank you for sharing! 😊
Finally caught up! Doing a great job fellas. Excited to see what the future brings.
Thought I would pass along a compliment for your video. It shows both the excatiness and the hard pounding requirements of your project. It makes for a much more interesting video. Nice going.
I love the construction of bespoke fittings, the guys are never ones to turn away from a challenge. As in we don’t want to be carrying big wooden planks around so we will construct a roller system to assist, and need to learn how to weld to achieve this. Brilliant! The lighter moment of the shovel repair, reminds me of long night watches trying to think of the most useless 3 things that might be carried on a sailboat. It was generally agreed that an umbrella, a wheelbarrow and a navel officer* would be the most useless things. A shovel is right along with those items. But other suggestions included a pool table and a lawn mower, but my great favourite was a spare mast. It would be forever in the way and if you lost the real mast it would be impossible to raise the spare. (*I am retired Air Force so this reflects inter-service rivalry!)
I've been watching since day 1, but haven't commented until now. Fellows, your project is simply magnificent! Your attention to detail, innovative problem solving, and level of workmanship have been ultra-impressive. I'll be on the dock at the Opera House the first time you sail into Sydney Harbour, with a couple of cool bottles of Coopers' Sparkling for you. Congratulations on a grand effort, and your wonderful documentary.
So, here I sit, on my fat ass watching you build a boat.
I think to myself, I would not do it that way.
But then, I'm the one sitting on my ass, you guys are the ones building the boat.
So I figure that until I get off my ass and decide to build a boat on youtube, I will keep my comments to myself.
Honestly guys, you are doing an awesome job.
Keep it up.
Pro tip, when welding anything with a critical surface, such as machined faces or bores, wrap or cover with aluminum foil and secure with blue painters tape. Use the heavy foil for best results. Also, play around with uphill welds. They tend to penetrate better. Even if they aren't as pretty, they tend to be stronger. Super interesting voyage, following along with you fellas on this build. Strong work, climb on!
Fantastic work guys, loving it :-). One small (but very important) rookie mistake, you do NOT drag a MIG weld backwards, as both of you are doing. You weld forwards with the torch angled slightly backwards. There are numerous reasons for this that I won't go into and that you could look up if you really wanted to :-), but the only time you weld backwards is when you are doing a vertical down weld. You will get a better and cleaner weld this way I promise :-). Love your work, keep it up :-)
I like your approach to making the stuffing box and re-using the cutless housing from Victoria. If you have the machines, skills and materials why not DIY! It helps to have great friends as well!
Great videos. Enjoying the journey
In our fab shop always said someone who has ground others welds makes the best welder when he had to grind is own. Good job.
Seems like you’ve got it handled. You’ve done your research and homework. Keep up the good work. Joe did himself and you guys proud in that machine work. Nice!
I liked the part when you welded the shovel to the bench. That is something that could have happened to me as well.😊
You are so lucky to have the volunteer talent to be able to take on a challenging task like that. To have that manufactured would have meant you would be eating beans and grits for the next 6 months to pay for it!
The build is going very well, I am looking forward to fitting out then mast and rigging!
I love watching you guys come up with creative solutions. Thx
I see you have been learning as you go along perhaps taking up sand casting mite work out in the long run .This assemble was a lot of work casting it would have be so much faster. I'm in my 60s , now retired from the millwright trade. It nice to see that some people like your self still want to build things with your hands .
I bet your cruising videos will also be very interesting, in the fullness of time.
Awesome machining skills !
It's always a pleasure to watch an ole' pro like Joe work - his years of experience makes it look so easy - he is worth his weight in gold or in this case bronze
Holy smokes!... ok, I'm a light weight metal worker I know how to weld (wire/rod), use a lath, and basic milling... Watching Joe machine that hole, wow. Everything is comp/control now, so to watch a "Master" machinest at work was a treat to say the least. It's a fading skill and it took me all the way back to the 80's(metal shop 4 years) and 90's(got to use what I learned). Gentlemen, thank you for sharing your experience with us....... Now I have to go buy a welder from HF.... Because.. It's time.
In case you didn’t already know, you might enjoy the AvE RUclips channel! He’s from Canukistan but nobody holds that against him!
ruclips.net/user/arduinoversusevil
Joe has some mad milling skills!
Bryan from Vancouver
Guess what! It is your boat! Screw what anyone else says. Waiting to watch how you do it. You guys come up with good ideas. By the way Delrin is poly formaldehyde.
Smells like biology class when you work with it.
So enjoyable to watch. I’ve learned so much following your progress. Well done, gentlemen! Another gem.
I appreciate the effort that you are going through, and it appears that you are doing things the right way, even though it takes a long time to do things the right way.
Enjoyable to watch the problem solving that went into solving how to hold the part in the mill for cutting.
I find everything you guys are doing simply fascinating! Thanks for sharing your journey.
Thanks for another excellent episode. The creativity and craftsmanship on the machining was outstanding.
The best way to wake up on a Friday morning
Great Job Guys. Enjoying the Craftsmanship‼️👍👍 ⛵️⛵️ Vinny 🇺🇸
It is a good thing you got all that personal protection when you are welding and the fire blanket.
Hats off to all the craftsmanship.
It's super old school but if you don't have the milling tools for a particular hole, you can always file it out by hand.
Great video! Another well thought out and well crafted piece for Arabella. I love your approach to the thought process and construction guys, and really like how this video showcased that approach. Your videos are inspiration for all of us to get out into our workshops and build something. Well done! Already looking forward to next week's video. Cheers!
That was really cool. Joe is a craftsman.
Super frickin nice work on the internal bearing setup inside. Very cool to watch the milling work also!
looking great guys
Your doing a really great job. Thank you for sharing your adventures.
You got a wizard in Joe!...I wished that we pry some more of wisdom from his head tho!