I kind of wanna see a crossover with Zajcu's series and some others. Remember, the series isn't done, and the fourth season is practically just starting so we haven't seen all of him yet.
Redbear is literally armstrong senator, he tanked ignited chica, ignited springtrap, ignited freddy and ignited golden freddy’s attacks with no scratch
Actually, that's wrong, because someone told me that Nightmare in one of the episodes, he lost Toy Chica after he stupidly tend to let her escape, thought that toy Chica would never stood a chance, but she had a chance and he said "Wait what?" And that's why he doesn't get IQ.
Wait that’s because nightmare was very cocky, and he didn’t have really good local thinking like Redbear, I explained it in my video of Redbear Vs nightmare, this guy is very right about nightmare getting the iq, have a good day :)
The curses are basically like the infinity stones, for people who claim nightmare wins here, nightmare's powers are great, but don't really stand a chance vs redbear with the 6 curses (if neither of them would have their powers nightmare would win with like idk, mid difficulty)
Author doesn t pay much attention to really look into characters,the fact that he says neg dif confirms.Nightmare has unlimited power and can be killed only with soul sword or other weapon that artifact creates,he is imune to damage and has orb(artifact) that gives most likely any power that he desires.If it wasnt for artifact that keeps balance on both sides of conflict,series would be over or edited to orb being hiden from mangle or something else
“Nightmare has unlimited power” Yet he couldn’t even build a billion armies with his orb, maintain his orb’s power to his army, needed to gain each part of his souls which are assumably his energies for the orb (if he had unlimited power, he wouldn’t need to gain his parts of the souls because he’d already have unlimited energy from a portion of his soul), and failed to punch down a door and a table that was boarded by two weakened animatronics. If you’re referring to nightmare’s statement from the trailer then please note that we don’t know what he means by that. Maybe it’s a saying to say that nightmare dominated many countries, maybe he’s just exaggerating about how much he’s ruling the countries and that nobody is stopping him. And there’s nothing that suggests nightmare being limited by the balance, the artifact said that it gives powers to any beings but keeps the balance which is why it created the soul sword for chica and gave Bonnie the ability to see all possible versions of the future. Nothing here says anything about being limited from the balance, it just means the artifact aids both sides to help one another. If nightmare was really limited by the artifact then I’d like to see some proof. And if you think about it this way, nightmare might’ve been given those pathetic powers (red energy wave, pushing animatronics like foxy, creating minions and brainwashing) shown by the orb because he isn’t a fighter like anyone else. I mean nightmare always relies on someone to do the job for him, he can easily be hurt by weak forces compared to what redbear experiences, he has 0 combat experiences and is extremely cocky & arrogant. So the artifact doesn’t limit nightmare’s power, it gave nightmare these set of power that were not built for combat the same way nightmare had never experienced combat in his life which is why they look pathetic in combat. “Nightmare is immune to damage” Puppet: *LITERALLY MAKES NIGHTMARE SCREAM IN PAIN BY SHOVING HIS HAND INTO HIS SHOULDER DESPITE THE FACT THAT PUPPET WAS POWERLESS AT THAT MOMENT* Nightmare: *NEVER EVEN FOUGHT A MILITARY OR THE SWAT TEAMS AND JUST LETS HIS MINIONS DO ALL THE WORK FOR HIM AND ONE OF THE SWAT TEAMS SHOT HIM 4 TIMES AND KNOCKED HIM OUT FOR A BRIEF MOMENT* I really don’t know where you got that from. Because nothing in this series has ever said nightmare was immune to damage or pain. All they ever say was “nightmare is immortal he can’t be killed” but nothing suggests that he was immune to damage cause that would’ve meant nightmare wouldn’t be hurt by puppet or knocked out by a pistol. Plus, there’s no feats that suggests he’d be immune to damage nor were there even statements about him being immune to damage so what you said was utterly stupid. Oh and don’t even THINK about bringing up immortality like every other nightmare fans. First of all there’s a difference between durability and immortality, DUH! Secondly, nightmare can pretty much die because of the fact that he has resilient immortality which can be bypassed by enough damage given. And since we know nightmare can be knocked out by a pistol and hurt by a powerless robot, it’s safe to say that a shotgun or an assault rifle has enough power to end nightmare (there are hundreds of characters with resilient immortality but died due to higher damage. Take Mr. X for example, he can tank bullets and explosions which is much more than what nightmare can dish out and Mr. X died 2 times from birkin and a rocket launcher). “Has orb that gives most likely any power that he desires” Then why didn’t he gain the power to make portals? Why didn’t he gain the power to teleport animatronics here? Why didn’t he gain the power to see where the animatronics were? Why didn’t he gain the power to quickly rule all of the world? If you’re gonna say because he’s limited by the balance, I already debunked the whole “balance” thing when you said “unlimited power”. And even if he was limited by the balance, that just contradicts your “likely gain any power he desires” statement. And did I forget to mention that it’s all up to the artifact on what powers you get to have? And I just want to let you know that we don’t know how powerful the artifact (orb) is nor has it shown any impressive powers nor is it even proven to be a powerful object. All we’ve ever seen from the orb was summoning minions, a red energy wave, brainwashing, and seeing all possible versions of the future (not including teleportation, great strength & control, or giving life because this was all from nightmare’s soul giving the animatronics their OWN set of powers and not from the orb) and these powers are incredibly useless and ineffective in combat. If it was really powerful, if it could give you ANY powers, we would’ve seen more and better powers from nightmare and the others but no. Instead we saw lame powers that can be countered easily. If it’s powerful because of some statements from characters, then that meant that zajcu37 made a poorly written object. So I can perfectly conclude the orb being one of the weakest objects here. “The author doesn’t really pay attention to look into these characters, the fact that he says neg diff confirms” That’s because redbear DOES neg nightmare. Redbear is much stronger than nightmare, redbear is more durable than nightmare, redbear is more skilled and a better combatant than nightmare, redbear has more reflexes, redbear has more trainings and battle experience than nightmare, redbear’s curses are superior to nightmare’s orb, and redbear is less cocky and less arrogant than nightmare. What makes you think a black bear who relies solely on his minions and has little to no feats and has a dumb orb that barely shows any impressive powers go up against a red beast who can smash cars, kick down security doors, survive or tank building explosions, destroy ceilings, dominated multiple animatronics with powers, and has curses which is more impressive than an orb. Edit: before you bring up nightmare’s orb giving his armies resistant to any human weaponry, I’d like to point out that scraptrap included nightmare to being resistant to human weaponry. But that’s contradicted by the fact that nightmare was briefly knocked out by 4 shots to the head by a pistol (he didn’t pretend he was knocked out because a pistol is much more dangerous than a skinny animatronic shoving its fingers into your shoulders which nightmare could not handle. And nightmare was bragging about how he couldn’t die to anything but never said he’s immune to bullets and crap. Lastly, nightmare was falling back to the chair the same movement nightmare mangle did when she was stabbed in the eye and both were briefly knocked out by it). And we don’t know when nightmare “tried” to make himself resistant to human weaponry. We can’t include the world conflict event because nightmare did not participate in the war because only his minions did all that work and it didn’t show nightmare fighting with the minions at all. I mean, why would he go into a war with tanks or bombs if he can’t even handle blows from pistols or a weakened puppet? And before the word conflict? That’s never shown or stated when he made himself resistant to it. And we already saw him being weak before the events of the world conflict. I believe nightmare was trying to make his minions resistant to human weaponry but failed miserably. Scraptrap’s statement about this might’ve been his own theory about it and we don’t know where scraptrap got this from nor do we know who said that they’d make the animatronics resistant to weaponry. It might’ve been like a science experiment to try to make them resistant which failed. Besides, a giant nightmare mangle was easily taken down by a rocket launcher and giant mangles are like the strongest minions for nightmare and many of his minions can easily be killed by a blow to the head.
@@Romromramsay7883Che capo una cosa ESTA LOCO O QUE LITERALMENTE ESCRIBISTE LA CRONOLOGÍA DE SONIC Y LA DE FNAF AL MISMO TIEMPO ESTAS LOCO, NEUROTICO, che que por cierto mano está bien y en verdad creo no si es verdad pero creo que evil nightmare es un demonio
@@Romromramsay7883 y un demonio es algo poderoso por no decir muy poderoso pero creo que esto sería un empate, pero creo que ganaria por que un demonio podría derrotar hasta un ser con poder el cual si los comparamos con seres como un alma vengativa no podrían vencerlo en opinión y aparte seres como los shadows en mi opinión lo pueden derrotar ya que si se alimentan de mucha agonía podrían ser dioses prácticamente, pero claro, cada uno tiene una distinta opinión , osea no me quejo de tu opinión solo que en mi opinión ganaria nightmare por el hecho de ser un demonio, así que te mando saludos y esta es mi opinión
@@2benjaminromansorsaburu99ok first of all, nightmare is NOT a demon. Nothing in zajcu37’s series had ever indicated him being a demon. He’s pretty much an animatronic with a ball that barely does any impressive powers/feats. Secondly, being a demon does not mean you’d be extremely powerful. Different demons in different verses can have completely different power scalings. Helltaker’s demons pretty much scale to wall level and they’re weaker than humans are. Sir pentious from Hazbin hotel is a demon and yet he’s considered a wimp in combat as confirmed by the Hazbin hotel creators. Moxie from helluva boss is a demon and yet he’s a weakling who relies on weapons to keep up with his opponents. Also, nightmare was legitimately knocked out by a pistol and hurt by a weakened puppet. Plus, fnaf’s demons barely have any informations about themselves so what you’re saying is pretty much bias. You can’t just say that nightmare wins because he’s a demon, especially when he can be hurt by street level attacks. Agony does not make you a god. First you exaggerate about demons and now this? Agony’s are emotions that are mainly use to power haunted objects to life. They don’t give you any powers to blow up earth or stars or universes. Hell, William afton had agony before and yet he was overpowered by a forklift in fazbears fright book. Oh and before you say “agony is superior to grief which created the storm by noel” noel/grief creating a storm was completely unintentional and Noel had never harnessed grief’s energy before. He also never had any physical feats that makes him comparable to grief’s storm. And the storm isn’t 35 meters wide, it just follows Noel 35 meters. This feat is pretty much an environmental destruction feats that cannot be used in combat or intentionally. Also, agony boiling the ocean was debunked by kingcorporeal in vs battle wiki on “agony works on zero point field.” Besides, agony does not exist in zajcu37’s series so idk why you had to bring that up.
like what bertbert said redbear decks nightmare without powers cuz nightmare is just an average dude who got god powers if you take those away + redbear learning martial arts from baby then yeah with powers nightmare undoubtedly wins he can't die unless redbear has a soul sword or sumn
Redbear takes the win easily. Want some Proof? Well here it is: Strength: redbear in the video “Redbear’s memory” flipped over a car with just one hand without any difficulties. A car usually weighs from 1.5-2 tons, meaning redbear could lift a weight of 3,000-4,000 lbs with just one arm. And that’s not all, redbear dominated fredbear without any intentions to kill him and he’s the same bear who broke the ceiling just by hitting the wall back in 1974 and he wasn’t as strong as his 1987 self back then. Another feat that I wanna mention is that redbear easily kicked down a security office door that no animatronics can do which was shown in bertbert’s ucn video featuring all of the animatronics from his series and what that means is that those characters from the ucn video are the same characters from his series. I forgot to mention that redbear had also destroyed a car with a single smash and cars are able to withstand crashing through walls. He was much stronger and easily defeated ignited springtrap who is comparable to if not stronger than his past self who can rip animatronics apart in fnaf 3. In zajcu37’s series there’s not a lot of strength feats to begin with, or atleast compare to Redbear’s feats. The best feats I could name here is nightmare ripping golden Freddy’s head off and that’s about it. And to make matters worse, nightmare can’t even punch down a door and a table that’s boarded by two weakened animatronics (why are they weakened you ask? Well because both springtrap and puppet had their souls taken by nightmare which took away their powers. Meaning that they were powerless at that time) Durability/endurance: now before I get into this, nightmare saying he can withstand rocket launchers and grenades is a big hyperbolic statement because it’s never shown that they could withstand any rocket launchers or grenades, I mean those nightmare animatronics can easily be knocked out by a knife to the eye and easily be killed by a blow to their heads similar to the hunters. Besides nightmare was screaming in pain by puppet when he shoved his hand into nightmare’s shoulder and puppet in zajcu37 is a featless fodder who lost to golden Freddy (golden Freddy was knocked out by a pipe to the face by toy chica) and lost his powers during his battle against nightmare. Not to mention, nightmare was staggered by a lifeless, featless, ordinary robot such as rockstar Freddy. This implies that nightmare exaggerates himself alot. Especially when he claims he’s omnipotent which is a huge exaggeration from nightmare, meaning that anything he says cannot be certainly true let alone false information. And immortality? How can we be sure he’s immortal if he CAN be killed by the sword toy chica has, not to mention he’s never even withstood anything lethal that could 100% kill you. Last but not least a cop briefly knocked out nightmare with a freaking pistol. You may say nightmare pretended to be knocked out but the truth is he wasn’t, I mean if a powerless/weakened puppet can hurt nightmare then a pistol which is made to kill people can definitely knock nightmare out. And nightmare after being shot by the same cop bragged about how he can’t be killed and that he’s immortal but never said he can’t be destroyed by anything like some bullets. And if you pay attention to that scene, nightmare fell back to his chair after being shot 4 times the same movement as nightmare mangle did when she was stabbed in the eye and both of them were briefly knocked out with the same amount of time they were knocked out. This is relevant because nightmare had done the same thing as nightmare mangle who was also knocked out by a weak force that makes you look like a street level fodder, which shows that he had indeed been knocked out by a pistol. This shows that nightmare can survive gunshots but not withstand them (there’s a difference between surviving and withstanding). Redbear on the other hand has been shown to tank a grenade explosion directly to him (with injuries) and that same grenade caused the pizzeria to explode, broke down brick and wooden structures, and caused a fire in the “don’t mess with ignited Freddy” series. And that’s not all, redbear also survived a pizzarea explosion that leveled the entire pizzarea from the inside in “last stand 4” even tho he was knocked out for a long time, it showed how tough he was because that explosion was a small building level explosion and it’s way more dangerous than being hurt by a featless, powerless puppet or a pistol. In addition, redbear had taken hits from all the animatronics in series 1 and took an axe to the face by Bonnie, he also endured being impaled by creation and fredbear while he was left opened which is a thousand times more dangerous than having your shoulder stabbed by a powerless animatronic and turned out fine. He also took hits from creation who was comparable to him in strength. Oh and for the record, immortality =/= durability Speed/agility: with the new episode from Bertbert, “don’t mess with ignited Freddy 8,” I’ve found a new speed/agility feat for redbear that surpasses anything in zajcu37’s universe. Redbear can keep up with and is comparable in speed to ignited Freddy who can dodge redbear’s eye laser beam point blank which is emitted with light (not man made light but supernatural light) and lights are the fastest thing in the universe which travels 186000 miles per second! That’s way faster than any speed feats performed by zajcu37 characters, including foxy’s speed feat of dodging a shotgun bullet point blank. Now the speed of redbear’s eye laser beam may not seem really fast in the ignited Freddy video, but Bertbert probably made it like that so we can see the laser and action much better. If he realistically made it looked as fast as light, we wouldn’t be able to see the laser hit the hat or anything. Take sonic for example, he doesn’t seem fast in gameplay but in lore, HES ONE HELLUVA SPEED DEMON! Not only can redbear tag with characters that can dodge light speed, but redbear’s offense speed is as fast as the speed of light because he can shoot literal light beams from his eye. That would’ve meant redbear’s offense and defense speed scales to light speed. Plus, redbear’s karate training enables him to dodge any incoming attacks and attack unpredictably. And since redbear trains a lot and had a bunch of experiences, it’s likely his speed scales above ignited Freddy. Now for nightmare, he has 0 speed feats to begin with. We can’t scale him to foxy’s feats because of the fact that zajcu37 characters have different scalings. For example, Bonnie survived springtrap’s attack but not Freddy, chica or foxy. Springtrap took an unknown explosion during his fight with golden Freddy but golden Freddy was knocked out for a long time. I’m giving this category to redbear Iq: obviously nightmare, he constructed a plan that took over many countries and continents for 100 years. But redbear isn’t an idiot. He can fix a door and likely has a similar iq to fredbear who came up with a plan to stop redbear. BIQ: redbear (I don’t need to explain) Combat/skills: are we gonna ignore the fact that nightmare had never fought anyone in the series and let’s his minions do All the work for him? Redbear is fully capable of fighting superhuman/supernatural beings like Fredbear, puppet, and fought a fazbears curse amped Freddy and dominated him with one arm only! He’s also capable of fighting creation without any curses. Not only that but redbear is a trained karate warrior who’s trained with baby and shown impressive skills here. My boy redbear performed roundhouse kicks,a jump kick with two legs, sweep kicks, and there’s a short video that features baby and Redbear’s karate skills comparison. Abilities/hax: I’m giving this one to redbear. His curses clearly triumphs over nightmare’s orb. If y’all are gonna fanboy about nightmare’s powers, just remember that we’ve barely seen any impressive powers from the orb that even compares to a single part of the curse. In fact, most of the powers we’ve seen from the orb is practically pathetic. All the orb ever did was summon minions, create a red energy wave, push back animatronics like foxy, and brainwash people. That’s pretty much it. The curses on the other hand are capable of teleporting you(blue curse), amplifying your strength to a great degree with pure energy (purple curse), invading someone’s mind and effortlessly killing them (orange curse, don’t mess with ignited Freddy 8), mind controlling someone (green curse), and levitating someone while ripping your enemy’s limbs off (red curse). Redbear’s blue curse can evade any of nightmare’s attacks, the red curse can just simply just rip nightmare’s arm off (the one that’s holding the orb) and pull the arm to redbear, the green curse has a better chance of controlling nightmare as redbear uses the green curse in combat and can be used on his ear unlike the orb which needs the victim to be hostilely held in place to be brainwashed. Basically, the curses are much more powerful than the orb, the curses has many ways to counter the orb, the curses has shown more abilities, and so on. If nightmare’s orb is really powerful, name one power that even compares to the curse. Feats: nightmare has little to no feats. Taking over the world doesn’t count cause it was his armies that dominated the countries and that it took 100 years to take over some countries. And I highly doubt he’d be involved in a fight with trained military soldiers. I mean if a powerless animatronic and a pistol can do serious damage to him then a military with rockets and explosives would turn nightmare into ash. Conclusion: redbear wins no diff To everyone who kept saying nightmare wins: COPE!!!
Note: we can include Redbear’s feats from the main series and the ignited series due to the fact that Bertbert confirmed that main series redbear is superior to ignited series redbear. Considering how the main series redbear is the main redbear, that means we can include his feats from both series. Note 2: please do not say “bertbert confirms nightmare wins if they both use powers” in the same comment section here because bertbert said “personal take” which means that this is all just bertbert’s opinion and that he didn’t acknowledge the fight in pure research (no offense to bertbert btw, I’m just saying that he doesn’t really research characters and just says who wins based on his opinions). And I’m pretty sure bertbert would change his mind if he were to see the proofs that I wrote Note 3: nightmare had never fought anyone in the series at all. He never fought the military, it was his minions from the factory and even then his whole army needed 100 years to conquer most of the country (not all of them). He never fought the swat teams, it was his minions that did so and even then nightmare needed a plan for his minions and catch the swat teams off guard in order to kill them. Nightmare didn’t really fight toy Freddy, he literally ran away from nightmare like a coward. And puppet? He didn’t have his powers with him at that time and even then harmed nightmare, showing that nightmare can still be damaged by anyone. Don’t even get me started with toy chica and her sword, we’ve never seen her train nor mastered her swordsman skills. And toy chica is the same chicken who struggled to beat a handless animatronic & springtrap and only took them down because she caught them off guard. Toy Chica is not as strong as most animatronics and is only a threat to nightmare because of a soul sword. Not only that but nightmare will lose to toy chica in their final fight. Also, nightmare didn’t train nor mastered anything, not even his swordsman skills unlike redbear who has mastery over karate skills and the curses powers. Also, redbear states that anyone with the red curse could easily one shot you by ripping your head off. And since redbear is knowledgeable about the curse, he likely has mastery over them especially when he was training. Note 4: this is to everyone who’s saying nightmare wins because he’s immortal. The truth is, Nightmare’s immortality would not help him at all. Just because you can’t die doesn’t mean you’re invincible cuz immortality and durability are both different. Durability is how much damage you can take and immortality means you can’t die. The difference is that immortal beings can be hurt depending on your immortality. I mean there are many immortal beings that were bested in combat. Geras (mk11) is immortal but he kept losing, movie Deadpool is immortal but a giant metallic dude trashed him alongside juggernaut, Jason voorhees is immortal and yet he was taken down before (he even died to a bomb in part 9). There are many types of immortalities and how effective they are. Nightmare has “resilient immortality” which means he can survive lethal attacks like a pistol without healing BUT this immortality has levels of effectiveness and can be bypassed through enough damage given. And since nightmare was knocked out by a pistol and was screaming in pain by puppet, it’s safe to say that nightmare’s immortality is useless. Furthermore, it proves how fragile nightmare can be, I mean why do you think nightmare relies on his minions to do all the work? You don’t need immortality to win because it’s just useless. Even if redbear can’t kill nightmare, he’d just rip off nightmare’s head and use it as a talking souvenir who complains about losing. I mean it’s not like nightmare can regenerate or resurrect himself cuz none of that had ever been shown or stated. “But why does toy chica need a soul sword instead of a rocket launcher or bombs?” Obviously because the humans don’t trust animatronics, there’s barely any weapons lying around (since humanity was near extinction, the nightmare animatronics might’ve taken those weapons), and they’d be wasted before encountering nightmare. Besides, golden Freddy and toy chica might’ve been too gullible about nightmare being immortal or maybe they just want to make sure nightmare 100% dies through a soul sword. Note 5: considering nightmare’s fodderized durability feats that I named, we cannot scale him to any of his nightmare minions as they have tanked damages much better than nightmare had. Also, him creating his minions doesn’t make him above them cause let’s not forget that it was the orb that created them not nightmare, nightmare just used the orb to create his minions. And before you say anything about nightmare knocking down the door that the nightmare minions could not in the episode “the great escape” we don’t know how nightmare bust open those doors. And since nightmare couldn’t punch a door boarded by two weakened animatronics, we can’t be certain that he “effortlessly” knocked that door down. Besides, nightmare opened the door AFTER springtrap and Bonnie stopped blocking the wall. And his minions being scared of him doesn’t mean anything, they’re just loyal to nightmare because he created them with the power of the orb. Note 6: before you bring up nightmare’s orb giving his armies resistant to any human weaponry, I’d like to point out that scraptrap included nightmare to being resistant to human weaponry. But that’s contradicted by the fact that nightmare was briefly knocked out by 4 shots to the head by a pistol (he didn’t pretend he was knocked out because a pistol is much more dangerous than a skinny animatronic shoving its fingers into your shoulders which nightmare could not handle. And nightmare was bragging about how he couldn’t die to anything but never said he’s immune to bullets and crap. Lastly, nightmare was falling back to the chair the same movement nightmare mangle did when she was stabbed in the eye and both were briefly knocked out by it). And we don’t know when nightmare “tried” to make himself resistant to human weaponry. We can’t include the world conflict event because nightmare did not participate in the war because only his minions did all that work and it didn’t show nightmare fighting with the minions at all. I mean, why would he go into a war with tanks or bombs if he can’t even handle blows from pistols or a weakened puppet? And before the word conflict? That’s never shown or stated when he made himself resistant to it. And we already saw him being weak before the events of the world conflict. I believe nightmare was trying to make his minions resistant to human weaponry but failed miserably. Scraptrap’s statement about this might’ve been his own theory about it and we don’t know where scraptrap got this from nor do we know who said that they’d make the animatronics resistant to weaponry. It might’ve been like a science experiment to try to make them resistant which failed. Besides, a giant nightmare mangle was easily taken down by a rocket launcher and giant mangles are like the strongest minions for nightmare and many of his minions can easily be killed by a blow to the head. Also, feats > statements.
I ain't reading alat, and nightmare wins easily. Can redbear take over the whole world? And matter of fact when you said nightmare got taken down by a gun he was just testing if his immortality was/actually working/worked and also about the thing you said nightmare can't push away tables or something zajcu37 probably did it on purpose to weaken nightmare and also give some little plot armor on the other animatronics but in reality nightmare could easily killed all of them if there weren't plot armor and for last we still don't know nightmare's full power and strength because there's little to show on season4 cus zajcu37 probably tired on making new episodes that's why. That's all I'll say cus I ain't readin all that nonsense.
@@jem6452 nightmare didn’t even take over the world by himself. His minions did all that work for him and we never saw nightmare participate in the war. Sure, he was with the armies outside but we never saw him fight with them cuz we saw the minions defeating the soldiers and winning before nightmare came along. There’s simply no proof of nightmare doing so with his army. In fact, he’d die before he even lays a finger on the military if he were to fight with his armies. If pistols are enough to knock nightmare out then what do you think a tank could do? Besides, we don’t know “SPECIFICALLY” how nightmare’s minions managed to take over the world as Zajcu never showed much of the war. And if you think zajcu made nightmare unable to knock down a door because of him weakening nightmare then that’s really stupid. There’s nothing that suggests nightmare being weakened by zajcu37 nor had plot armor even done anything. Nightmare is not that strong, he has no feats that makes him as strong as anybody and we can’t use scalings because the majority of characters have different scaling to begin with. And there are more cases than this where nightmare was shown to be a weakling, such as when toy chica (one of the weakest animatronics) stopped nightmare’s fist. Sure, he ripped golden Freddy’s head off but that was when golden Freddy was an ordinary animatronic without any powers and that he was dying from the sword. You’re just assuming zajcu37 did so because of your assumptions to nightmare being powerful even tho he had little to no feats to begin with. And plot armor? They had no plot armor to begin with. Puppet died and spring trap was knocked out for a very long time. Plot armor or not and whether nightmare took down the door or not, the scenario of puppet and springtrap running away would still happen. And nightmare already killed everyone except for toy chica and springtrap. The only reason why they survived was not because of plot armor but because of nightmare’s overconfidence and arrogance. And THAT wasn’t plot armor, it’s just nightmare’s personality. And when you said he was testing his immortality, he was always saying that he was immortal (which is not certainly true) and always think nothing can kill him. He wasn’t testing it, he just knew he wasn’t gonna die. And you’re proving my point exactly, cause he DID get knocked out by a pistol but DIDNT DIE. And that proves he’s not really durable, he just has resilient immortality which has a limit to how much damage effects you can survive and it can be bypassed. And just so you know, immortality does not equal to durability or endurance. I’ve already explained how his immortality works in the 4th note And when you said we never saw nightmare’s full power, we actually saw what nightmare can do which is pathetic. I mean all he does is brainwash people, make red energy waves and summon minions which are not really applied for combats. And since nightmare is not too much of a fighter, it would make sense why nightmare has these lame powers, cause he’s not as good of a combatant as everyone else. So it’s not that we never saw his full power, he just doesn’t have incredible powers to begin with. And if nightmare could really do much, we would’ve seen any impressive powers let alone more powers from him or the orb meaning that the orb is not too powerful and nightmare fanboys (which includes you) are just gullible enough to believe false statements and bring up things that haven’t even been shown. And if you don’t wanna read all these informations then that’s your problem cuz these informations debunk everything that you said and is proven on how weak nightmare is. And excuse me if I love writing a lot of informations about certain topics since I don’t want anyone to use the immortality excuse or false statement’s from nightmare. So next time you see valid information, read them or better yet don’t debate me on this one.
@@surpableare you saying “I ain’t writing an essay” as a way of saying you’re not gonna read my comment? Because this comment pretty much proves why nightmare is a weakling to redbear and why redbear negs nightmare. And if you’re so sure that they’re equal, then explain to me how tough nightmare is. Name some feats and statements that proves he’s equal to redbear Edit: man, it’s been 3 weeks and you still won’t tell me why they’re equal? Ok then. I guess my point is proven then
Strength: redbear - redbear flipped a car with one hand which weighs 3,000 - 4,000 pounds in “Redbear’s memory episode” - redbear kicked down a security door in bertbert’s fnaf ucn video which none of the animatronics could ever do - redbear overpowered fredbear who can break ceilings by hitting a wall in 1974 when he wasn’t as strong as his 1987 self. - redbear destroyed a car which are capable of resisting to crashing through walls in the same episode “Redbear’s memory” - stomped ignited springtrap who is comparable to springtrap (fnaf 3) who can rip apart animatronics with his bare hands during the mini game as his William Afton self. - nightmare can’t even punch down a door that is boarded up by tables and two weakened animatronics and needed nightmare chica to do that work for him. - nightmare had his fist stopped by toy chica (one of the weakest animatronics seen cuz she struggled with a handless animatronic and needed to knock her out off guard. The same with springtrap) - nightmare has 0 strength feats that compares to redbear. Durability: redbear - redbear no sells fredbear’s attacks (in other words, they weren’t effective against redbear). Even impaling his hand through Redbear’s chest while he was left wide opened couldn’t stop redbear and he ended up stomping fredbear again. Fredbear can collapse a ceiling just by hitting a wall without any problems, and he did do in 1974 who was weaker than his 1987 self who couldn’t hurt redbear. - red took many hits from creation who is comparable to him. - tank a direct grenade explosion that blew up the pizzarea, destroyed wooden & brick structures, and caused a fire. This could be a small building level explosion. (Ignited series) - redbear survived another pizzarea explosion in the main series. - redbear was not fazed by a car that rammed to him in “Redbear’s memory” episode - nightmare screamed in pain by puppet just by shoving his fingers on his shoulders and that was while puppet was powerless - nightmare was staggered by an ordinary robot such as rockstar Freddy when he punched nightmare - nightmare was briefly knocked out by 4 shots by a pistol - immortality is useless and I already explained it in my comment section Speed: redbear - nightmare has 0 speed feats - redbear can keep up with ignited Freddy who can dodge Redbear’s eye laser which presumably moves at a speed of light - Redbear’s eye laser is emitted of purple light and is considered a “laser” by bertbert, showing that it is pretty fast. Iq: nightmare - redbear isn’t an idiot. If he was, he wouldn’t have been able to fight well or fix a door or anything like that. Plus, he has competed with fredbear who is smart enough to come up with plans - nightmare did construct a plan to take over the world. However, his overconfidence and arrogance makes his IQ irrelevant. Hax/power: redbear. - curses > ball. - the orb had never displayed any powers that comes close to a single curse. All it ever did was summon minions, push back animatronics, create weak red energy waves, and brainwash people (only used when the victim is held in place hostilely which likely can’t be used in combat). - the curses are much more powerful. The purple curse can one shot springbonnie who survived a pizzarea explosion & amplify your strength to a great degree. The green curse can control your mind and was used in combat against toy Bonnie. The red curse has telekinesis which can push down walls, rip your limbs off and lift any objects. The blue curse can let you teleport. The orange curse allows the user to enter one’s mind and in that mind the orange curse user is in full control over your mind. The orange curse user can easily kill you in your mind. If you die in your mind, you die in real life (confirmed by bertbert). Weapons: redbear - Redbear’s devil pitchfork > nightmare’s sword. The pitchfork was confirmed to shoot beams. The sword was treated as an ordinary sword, sure it had dark energies but those dark energies weren’t anything impressive. Redbear wins negative diff
@@Romromramsay7883 yeah you're right about strength, I forgot about many feats of redbear (the door thing, nightmare doesn't even try to take it down), we don't have enough nightmare feats, my bad... Durability: he's immortal so Speed: I have counted near teleportation and far teleportation (portals) The things you said are combat speed Power/hax: the ball can literally create life, erase souls, manipulate energy, make people immortal and more. Wait, what weak red beams? Weapon: nightmare sword can absorb souls and instantly kill anyone even nightmares animatronic (that are immortal) Don't forget that this is a full power fight and nightmare almost never used full Power, he's always resting and let other nightmares doing everything... however on a base form fight, Redbear win
@@LemonCry “The door thing, nightmare doesn’t even try to take it down” Actually, he did try to take it down. First of all, he retracted his claws which showed that he tried to use all his strength to punch down the door. And when he said “and this is suppose to stop us? Amateurs.” That didn’t show nightmare was holding back, he just knew that the cupcake bomb would clear the path which is why he told nightmare chica to do so. If he really can punch the door down, he would’ve done so by now but he can’t. Also, nightmare telling nightmare chica to clear a path that he can’t do is another reason on why he relies on his minions, because he can’t do those jobs without his minions doing so. Another support for this is that nightmare wanted to kill all of the animatronics, that showed he wanted to punch down the door to kill all of the animatronics. If he wasn’t trying, he wouldn’t even attempt to punch down the door in the first place. Plus he doesn’t have strength feats that even proves he wasn’t trying. “Nightmare is immortal so” It doesn’t matter if he’s immortal or not, he still has a weak durability. Just because you’re immortal doesn’t mean you’d be invincible. There’s a difference between durability and immortality. Durability is how much damage you can take and immortality means you can’t die. The difference is that immortal beings can be hurt and defeated in combat, there are many immortal beings that have lost before. Geras (mk11) is immortal and yet he kept losing, movie Deadpool is immortal and yet colossus and juggernaut stomped him with ez, Jason voorhees is immortal and yet he was stopped many times (he also died by some bombs in part 9). There are many types of immortalities and they all work differently. What nightmare has is “resilient immortality” which means he can survive lethal things that could kill a person without healing but on the other hand, this type of immortality has different levels of effectiveness and can be bypassed with enough damage given. Since nightmare was hurt by fingers to his shoulder and was knocked out by a pistol, then stronger weapons like a shotgun can definitely kill nightmare (he wasn’t pretending to be knocked out by a pistol. If a weakened puppet is able to hurt nightmare by putting his fingers into his shoulder then a gun made to kill people can knock out nightmare. Plus, nightmare bragged about how he was immortal but never said anything about being invincible which implies that he was knocked out but didn’t die. Lastly, he fell back to his chair after being shot at the same movement as nightmare mangle did when she was knocked out by a knife to the eye and both were briefly knocked out at the same amount of time. If nightmare did that same action as nightmare mangle did when she was knocked out then nightmare was definitely knocked out by a pistol). So really, nightmare’s resilient immortality has a limit to his standards and the only reason why he kept saying he’s immortal was because he exaggerates himself alot thinking that nobody can stop him. “I have counted near teleportation and far teleportation (portal)” By that logic, that applies to redbear too. He can teleport via the fazbear’s curses. And the portal part does not apply to nightmare, it only works for that portal machine and nightmare has no idea how to even use it without plushtrap on his side (plus it won’t help in combat). Oh and for the record, teleportation is NOT a speed feat, it’s an ability. Also, nightmare had never teleported before, if he could he would’ve done so in “the great escape” or when toy chica went through the portal or teleporting behind the boarded door in “the battle for survival.” “The ball can literally create life” No it can’t. None of the videos ever shown nightmare creating life. If you’re referring to nightmare taking puppet’s soul which creates life then I’d like to tell you that it does not apply to nightmare. Nightmare stated that parts of his soul gave puppet, golden Freddy and springbonnie their “OWN” set of powers but those powers never came to nightmare or we would’ve seen him create a soul. In fact, that’s the reason why there was a needle machine behind mike which was used to take their souls and use it for their soldiers rather than nightmare using his orb to create souls. But even then, creating souls won’t help you in combat because souls don’t do much in zajcu37 verse so idc what you’ll say about it. “Erase souls” Erase souls? Please tell me where you got that information from. (And maybe send a link to me so I can be certain if it’s true or not) “What weak red beam?” I’m talking about the energy wave that nightmare used to push springtrap back from mangle and the other animatronics to the wall. Even then, that attack did nothing and they got back up like it was nothing. That was shown in “unstoppable evil” episode “Manipulate energy” Can you elaborate on that and how it’ll help you in combat? Like.. where did you get that from? “The nightmare sword can absorb souls, instant kill people and kill nightmares who are immortal” Dude, puppet has no prior knowledge on the sword. I mean how does he even know about his sword? I mean everyone would know it is Imbued with dark energy cuz of how evil nightmare is. And absorbing souls? Im pretty sure it’s another way of saying that he’s dying. I mean, if it can absorb souls then Bonnie wouldn’t even be revived because the soul would be in the sword, golden Freddy’s conscious wouldn’t be transported into his past self’s mind and we’ve seen Bonnie’s red soul come out after he had died by the sword in “the soul sword 3” episode. I highly doubt it would instant kill anyone, toy Bonnie didn’t instantly die, golden Freddy didn’t instantly die and not even bonnie. We don’t know if his minions are immortal, so we can’t be certain if they are or not. “Nightmare never uses his full power” Dude, nightmare wasn’t holding back. He literally wanted to kill all of the animatronics in the pizzarea and if someone wants to kill someone then they wouldn’t hold back anything. The only reason why he lets his minions do all the work is because he isn’t really a fighter himself and just aims for small fries like toy Freddy and the rockstar animatronics (who are ordinary robots). And the reason why he never instantly killed toy chica or golden Freddy was because golden Freddy was powerless and toy chica is one of the weakest animatronics out there. Also, they were surrounded by nightmare animatronics so what’ll they do? Go in the portal where “something” was changed? Also, golden Freddy was stabbed in the chest by the sword and in that moment nightmare decided to torture toy chica and not kill her. He might’ve underestimated toy chica but that doesn’t mean he acted so casual about it. Just because nightmare doesn’t have a lot of feats doesn’t mean he’s holding back, it just means that he’s a weakling because without feats we can’t say that nightmare is anything powerful (especially when nightmare had shown more fodderized feats). Plus, what makes you think he held back?
@@Romromramsay7883 Damn you blast me by just telling facts, I'll try to debate a little bit: at the beginning he only wanted to take his soul back, but they’re still alive so he decide to kill them, cause they would be a problem in the future, if they’re still alive (scraptrap alone killed some of his army) About durability: still nightmare can't die. the point is that he can take damage/feel pain when he's off-guard, but using the power of the ball can just stop feeling pain, when the human shot him (and he wanted to be shot that's why he fell off) he was literally laughing... but still base redbear has more durability than base nightmare (base nightmare durability is at the same level of a human) about the ball and life thing: he created the nightmares and before that the ball gave nightmare a second life and using his soul, it created the 3 primordial animatronics and their abilities (yeah, i know their abilities may not be comparable to the bertbert series animatronics) so its still a way better weapon(it have some sort of limitations)…so i correct my self this soul manipulation or something like that I’m pretty sure that he can use puppets power cause he’s practically a part of nightmare… i didn’t really understand the part when you talked about the sword however the sword actually dissipate soul, after the subject die, overtime...and even if it doesn't kill instantly it makes beings really weak so bonnie have been revived by the artifact, that is way stronger than nightmare, and by absorbing i meant when nightmare takes the souls of the animatronics the minions can’t be defeated (it was said by toy chica) but still can be damaged “What makes you think he’s holding back?” i thought that nightmare is a pretty “lazy” guy, we actually even saw him forcing the door on "the great escape" episode, and that door was blocked by refrigerator that has more weight than some tables... but the "he's not a good fighter" make sense by the way nothing to say, you're right
@@LemonCry about durability: you still can’t even accept the fact that he can die due to having limitations to his immortality. Haven’t you read what I said about immortality? Also, it doesn’t matter if he was off guard or not because he still got hurt, I mean he looked at puppet before puppet hurt nightmare so I don’t think it’s really catching nightmare off guard. It’s not like he’s a saiyan who can be hurt more by being attacked off guard and animatronics functions more differently than Saiyans because being defensive or off guard doesn’t effect animatronic’s durability. I mean look at redbear, he was off guard when fredbear and creation impaled redbear. Imagine being impaled through the chest by a robot that can break ceilings like nothing and by an amalgamation that has a similar strength to redbear who can smash cars and flip them. That’s even worse than having a featless, powerless puppet shoving his finger into your shoulder and redbear kept fighting and single handily took down fredbear and creation (although he was downed by creation, he quickly got back up and killed creation). The ball can’t make him stop feeling pain. Where did you even get these informations from? If you’re referring to scrap trap’s statement of making them resistant to human weaponry via the orb, then I’d like to tell you that scrap trap included nightmare to being resistant to human weaponry (we don’t know when nightmare made him resistant to human weaponry. Don’t say during the world conflict event because he never fought with his armies. In fact, I don’t think he ever did that) and yet he was shown to be staggered by rockstar Freddy and knocked out by a pistol. Plus, we don’t know where scraptrap got it from and we can’t be certain if scraptrap was correct or not. Scraptrap might’ve been through a war for 100 years but he never intended to get every info’s from nightmare. It was all about survival for scraptrap and he only aims to get supplies. I mean, maybe what nightmare tried to do was a sort of experiment to try to make them resistant to human weaponry which failed miserably. Maybe this is all just part of scraptrap’s theory. But nevertheless, we don’t really know where scraptrap got it from and we don’t know if what he’s saying is true or not, after all he was a little insane. So we can’t really use that for now. Nightmare never even laughed when he was shot. He just bragged about how he was immortal after being briefly knocked out. Yes, he wanted to be shot but that doesn’t change anything about what I say and my point still stands because I just explained to you on how nightmare was knocked out by a pistol in a bracket. Besides, nightmare probably wanted to scare the swat police by asking him to shoot him but that doesn’t mean he was so casual about it because he knew he wouldn’t die due to his resilient immortality. About the sword that you talked about I rewatched what puppet said about nightmare’s sword and he said it was “absorbing Bonnie” but never said anything about absorbing the soul. Perhaps it’s just another way of saying Bonnie was dying. Also, nothing of this series had ever said anything about the sword dissipating the soul and if that’s true then I’d like to see some evidence. The sword never made golden Freddy, bonnie and toy bonnie weak because these 3 had weak durabilities in the first place. Golden Freddy was knocked out by a pipe, killed by an axe, and was knocked out for a very long time by a small, unknown explosion that occurred during his fight with Springtrap. Bonnie was one shotted by Springtrap and golden Freddy and literally has 0 feats by his side. Toy Bonnie is featless so idk how he’s anything strong. These 3 were only injured by the sword because they were stabbed THROUGH their chest and not being weakened by the sword. I mean being impaled through the torso would obviously kill you, and these 3 were slowly dying so no. The sword’s powers didn’t weaken them, they were slowly dying because of being conventionally impaled through their chests. You’re just saying it can absorb souls because of what puppet said, and puppet doesn’t even know about nightmare’s sword because he’s never seen it before. So no, it can’t absorb souls and it can’t dissipate souls. About nightmare forcing the door that was blocked by a refrigerator “The great escape” video never showed us on how nightmare forced the door and refrigerator. We can’t be certain if he can just punch the refrigerator away cuz he can’t even punch down the tables that’s boarded by Springtrap and puppet who were both powerless at that time. Maybe he himself rammed onto the door & refrigerator, maybe he used something as a battering ram to push the refrigerator, but either way we don’t know how he did it so we can’t certainly use that as a feat. Edit: I actually researched more about nightmare’s sword and I found that toy Bonnie’s soul was still intact with him despite staying dead by that sword for 3 weeks. If nightmare’s sword could really absorb souls, why couldn’t it absorb toy Bonnie’s? Or better yet, how come the sword never dissipated toy Bonnie’s soul after 3 weeks? Same for toy Freddy after he was killed by that sword AND Bonnie too. Plus, puppet never said it absorbs souls, he just said it was absorbing Bonnie as a way of saying “he’s dying”. Also, it’s unknown if nightmare’s minions are ever immortal. Toy chica saying that they’re immortal is stupid because she’s just gullible enough to believe they’re immortal. And the minions tanking bullets doesn’t prove anything either because there are other characters that can take bullets but still die. Take resident evil for example, Mr. X (tyrant) is invulnerable to bullets on his whole body (except his head) and yet he died to William birkin and a rocket launcher. William birkin can soak up bullets and explosions but died in the end. And I’m 100% sure redbear can take bullets too. If he can tank a grenade explosion that blew up the pizzarea or a pizzarea explosion in the main series, then bullets would do nothing to him.
I hope you’re saying redbear is ignited Freddy’ victim as a joke cuz.. 1. In “don’t mess with ignited Freddy” there are many cases where redbear is proven superior to ignited Freddy. For example, when redbear uppercuts ignited Freddy to the air, he momentarily knocks out ignited Freddy, giving him the chance to kill him had creation not sneak up and attacked redbear. Redbear’s headbutt was proven to be more powerful than ignited Freddy’s. Not to mention, when ignited Freddy headbutted redbear, all it did was push him back but redbear’s headbutt legitimately injured ignited Freddy. Redbear also momentarily knocked ignited Freddy out with a single punch to his side head and he overpowers ignited Freddy’s ramming attack via wrestling slam in don’t mess with ignited Freddy 8. Finally, ignited Freddy was overpowered by and was going to be killed by foxy, who was controlled by redbear. Fun fact: when redbear controlled foxy with his green curse, foxy gains the same strength as redbear as confirmed by Bertbert in my comment section in “don’t mess with ignited Freddy 8.” Here’s another fun fact: ignited series redbear was confirmed to be weaker than main series redbear and that main series redbear mops the floor out of ignited series redbear. If ignited Freddy struggled to beat ignited series redbear, then main series redbear stomps. 2. In TJOC, ignited Freddy is pretty much featless. His best feats were pretty much killing humans in his jumpscare. He’s pretty much street level in TJOC. No, his time stop ability won’t help him because he doesn’t freeze the physical time itself when he’s stopping time from reaching 6 AM. He just stops the timer from reaching 6 AM which is nothing more than game mechanics. Also, I highly doubt the artifact can do much to help nightmare. All the artifact can do is summon minions, create red energy waves and brainwash people (brainwashing people is non-combat appliance since nightmare used that ability on humans that were held hostagely but never in combat). The best notable ability from the artifact was giving the user the ability to see all possible futures in the timeline but the thing is, that’s never given to nightmare at all. Speaking of which: Nightmare already has the artifact with him via the orb, but he can’t really control the artifact to his own likings nor gain any special powers from it. Thus, he can’t command the artifact to grant him the ability to see all possible futures. This would imply that the artifact itself proves superior to nightmare. I don’t think it’ll make any difference if nightmare used his orb/artifact, he’d be negged either way.
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My personal take on this encounter
Battle with no powers: Redbear wins
Battle with using powers: Nightmare wins
When will the next episode come?
Waddup Mr Creator!
Tienes la razón
only reason nightmare wins with powers is due to his immortality, and i doubt redbear has any weapons like the soul sword
Redbear cannot die because when he dies he hears his sister's voice and is reborn
I kind of wanna see a crossover with Zajcu's series and some others. Remember, the series isn't done, and the fourth season is practically just starting so we haven't seen all of him yet.
finally someone made a video with these 2 beasts
Redbear is literally armstrong senator, he tanked ignited chica, ignited springtrap, ignited freddy and ignited golden freddy’s attacks with no scratch
You forgot the mr creation
@@Red_black_thing_guy75red ear can’t die because there is a voice saying you won’t die so he can’t just beats the creation until he’s done
Yet he died to Ignited Freddy
Nightmare gets Feats and Experience rest is fax though nice edit
Well, I did choose experience to Redbear because He exist way before Nightmare exists in Fredbear's family diner.
And thanks.
Experience yes, because he was a human once, adult mechanic man
Yeah and he probably a baby during the time Redbear was created because he doesn’t seem anywhere older than a middle aged man
@@Omgcoolpl I mean, I guess you are right because I think it was during when he was born when Redbear, Baby and White Rabbit existed
nightmare gets durability because he immortal and just unstoppable
Es de en serio
Sounds like a good Death Battle.
i think the reason why nightmare got the point for speed is because hes black and black people are fast
Not gonna lie they need 100m sub
A nightmare stronger than a red bear and a nightmare of invulnerability to physical damage. So, Nightmare won.
I disagree with iq going to redbear nightmare is very smart with making plans
Actually, that's wrong, because someone told me that Nightmare in one of the episodes, he lost Toy Chica after he stupidly tend to let her escape, thought that toy Chica would never stood a chance, but she had a chance and he said "Wait what?" And that's why he doesn't get IQ.
Wait that’s because nightmare was very cocky, and he didn’t have really good local thinking like Redbear, I explained it in my video of Redbear Vs nightmare, this guy is very right about nightmare getting the iq, have a good day :)
@@predalien049 because nightmare didnt payed attention enough, but for real, he is clever, as man before, he was mechanic
@@DFK_CCfr but his main problem is his confidence he gets cocky or ignores threaths that are yet to be big
@@hairyratlegs948 well, not confidence, but overconfidence/arrogance
The curses are basically like the infinity stones, for people who claim nightmare wins here, nightmare's powers are great, but don't really stand a chance vs redbear with the 6 curses (if neither of them would have their powers nightmare would win with like idk, mid difficulty)
But Bert himself confirmed that 6 curses are not as powerful as Infinity stones. They don't really affect reality
@@konradbuba9848, but they have enough power to kill Nightmare and all his army + protect Redbear from every attack
This music gave me more anger and strength
Just so you know, agility is basically speed
Author doesn t pay much attention to really look into characters,the fact that he says neg dif confirms.Nightmare has unlimited power and can be killed only with soul sword or other weapon that artifact creates,he is imune to damage and has orb(artifact) that gives most likely any power that he desires.If it wasnt for artifact that keeps balance on both sides of conflict,series would be over or edited to orb being hiden from mangle or something else
“Nightmare has unlimited power”
Yet he couldn’t even build a billion armies with his orb, maintain his orb’s power to his army, needed to gain each part of his souls which are assumably his energies for the orb (if he had unlimited power, he wouldn’t need to gain his parts of the souls because he’d already have unlimited energy from a portion of his soul), and failed to punch down a door and a table that was boarded by two weakened animatronics. If you’re referring to nightmare’s statement from the trailer then please note that we don’t know what he means by that. Maybe it’s a saying to say that nightmare dominated many countries, maybe he’s just exaggerating about how much he’s ruling the countries and that nobody is stopping him. And there’s nothing that suggests nightmare being limited by the balance, the artifact said that it gives powers to any beings but keeps the balance which is why it created the soul sword for chica and gave Bonnie the ability to see all possible versions of the future. Nothing here says anything about being limited from the balance, it just means the artifact aids both sides to help one another. If nightmare was really limited by the artifact then I’d like to see some proof. And if you think about it this way, nightmare might’ve been given those pathetic powers (red energy wave, pushing animatronics like foxy, creating minions and brainwashing) shown by the orb because he isn’t a fighter like anyone else. I mean nightmare always relies on someone to do the job for him, he can easily be hurt by weak forces compared to what redbear experiences, he has 0 combat experiences and is extremely cocky & arrogant. So the artifact doesn’t limit nightmare’s power, it gave nightmare these set of power that were not built for combat the same way nightmare had never experienced combat in his life which is why they look pathetic in combat.
“Nightmare is immune to damage”
Puppet: *LITERALLY MAKES NIGHTMARE SCREAM IN PAIN BY SHOVING HIS HAND INTO HIS SHOULDER DESPITE THE FACT THAT PUPPET WAS POWERLESS AT THAT MOMENT*
Nightmare: *NEVER EVEN FOUGHT A MILITARY OR THE SWAT TEAMS AND JUST LETS HIS MINIONS DO ALL THE WORK FOR HIM AND ONE OF THE SWAT TEAMS SHOT HIM 4 TIMES AND KNOCKED HIM OUT FOR A BRIEF MOMENT*
I really don’t know where you got that from. Because nothing in this series has ever said nightmare was immune to damage or pain. All they ever say was “nightmare is immortal he can’t be killed” but nothing suggests that he was immune to damage cause that would’ve meant nightmare wouldn’t be hurt by puppet or knocked out by a pistol. Plus, there’s no feats that suggests he’d be immune to damage nor were there even statements about him being immune to damage so what you said was utterly stupid. Oh and don’t even THINK about bringing up immortality like every other nightmare fans. First of all there’s a difference between durability and immortality, DUH! Secondly, nightmare can pretty much die because of the fact that he has resilient immortality which can be bypassed by enough damage given. And since we know nightmare can be knocked out by a pistol and hurt by a powerless robot, it’s safe to say that a shotgun or an assault rifle has enough power to end nightmare (there are hundreds of characters with resilient immortality but died due to higher damage. Take Mr. X for example, he can tank bullets and explosions which is much more than what nightmare can dish out and Mr. X died 2 times from birkin and a rocket launcher).
“Has orb that gives most likely any power that he desires”
Then why didn’t he gain the power to make portals? Why didn’t he gain the power to teleport animatronics here? Why didn’t he gain the power to see where the animatronics were? Why didn’t he gain the power to quickly rule all of the world? If you’re gonna say because he’s limited by the balance, I already debunked the whole “balance” thing when you said “unlimited power”. And even if he was limited by the balance, that just contradicts your “likely gain any power he desires” statement. And did I forget to mention that it’s all up to the artifact on what powers you get to have? And I just want to let you know that we don’t know how powerful the artifact (orb) is nor has it shown any impressive powers nor is it even proven to be a powerful object. All we’ve ever seen from the orb was summoning minions, a red energy wave, brainwashing, and seeing all possible versions of the future (not including teleportation, great strength & control, or giving life because this was all from nightmare’s soul giving the animatronics their OWN set of powers and not from the orb) and these powers are incredibly useless and ineffective in combat. If it was really powerful, if it could give you ANY powers, we would’ve seen more and better powers from nightmare and the others but no. Instead we saw lame powers that can be countered easily. If it’s powerful because of some statements from characters, then that meant that zajcu37 made a poorly written object. So I can perfectly conclude the orb being one of the weakest objects here.
“The author doesn’t really pay attention to look into these characters, the fact that he says neg diff confirms”
That’s because redbear DOES neg nightmare. Redbear is much stronger than nightmare, redbear is more durable than nightmare, redbear is more skilled and a better combatant than nightmare, redbear has more reflexes, redbear has more trainings and battle experience than nightmare, redbear’s curses are superior to nightmare’s orb, and redbear is less cocky and less arrogant than nightmare. What makes you think a black bear who relies solely on his minions and has little to no feats and has a dumb orb that barely shows any impressive powers go up against a red beast who can smash cars, kick down security doors, survive or tank building explosions, destroy ceilings, dominated multiple animatronics with powers, and has curses which is more impressive than an orb.
Edit: before you bring up nightmare’s orb giving his armies resistant to any human weaponry, I’d like to point out that scraptrap included nightmare to being resistant to human weaponry. But that’s contradicted by the fact that nightmare was briefly knocked out by 4 shots to the head by a pistol (he didn’t pretend he was knocked out because a pistol is much more dangerous than a skinny animatronic shoving its fingers into your shoulders which nightmare could not handle. And nightmare was bragging about how he couldn’t die to anything but never said he’s immune to bullets and crap. Lastly, nightmare was falling back to the chair the same movement nightmare mangle did when she was stabbed in the eye and both were briefly knocked out by it). And we don’t know when nightmare “tried” to make himself resistant to human weaponry. We can’t include the world conflict event because nightmare did not participate in the war because only his minions did all that work and it didn’t show nightmare fighting with the minions at all. I mean, why would he go into a war with tanks or bombs if he can’t even handle blows from pistols or a weakened puppet? And before the word conflict? That’s never shown or stated when he made himself resistant to it. And we already saw him being weak before the events of the world conflict. I believe nightmare was trying to make his minions resistant to human weaponry but failed miserably. Scraptrap’s statement about this might’ve been his own theory about it and we don’t know where scraptrap got this from nor do we know who said that they’d make the animatronics resistant to weaponry. It might’ve been like a science experiment to try to make them resistant which failed. Besides, a giant nightmare mangle was easily taken down by a rocket launcher and giant mangles are like the strongest minions for nightmare and many of his minions can easily be killed by a blow to the head.
Oye amigo si vos el del texto largo, que pedo con lo que escribiste ni en pedo leo eso
@@Romromramsay7883Che capo una cosa ESTA LOCO O QUE LITERALMENTE ESCRIBISTE LA CRONOLOGÍA DE SONIC Y LA DE FNAF AL MISMO TIEMPO ESTAS LOCO, NEUROTICO, che que por cierto mano está bien y en verdad creo no si es verdad pero creo que evil nightmare es un demonio
@@Romromramsay7883 y un demonio es algo poderoso por no decir muy poderoso pero creo que esto sería un empate, pero creo que ganaria por que un demonio podría derrotar hasta un ser con poder el cual si los comparamos con seres como un alma vengativa no podrían vencerlo en opinión y aparte seres como los shadows en mi opinión lo pueden derrotar ya que si se alimentan de mucha agonía podrían ser dioses prácticamente, pero claro, cada uno tiene una distinta opinión , osea no me quejo de tu opinión solo que en mi opinión ganaria nightmare por el hecho de ser un demonio, así que te mando saludos y esta es mi opinión
@@2benjaminromansorsaburu99ok first of all, nightmare is NOT a demon. Nothing in zajcu37’s series had ever indicated him being a demon. He’s pretty much an animatronic with a ball that barely does any impressive powers/feats.
Secondly, being a demon does not mean you’d be extremely powerful. Different demons in different verses can have completely different power scalings. Helltaker’s demons pretty much scale to wall level and they’re weaker than humans are. Sir pentious from Hazbin hotel is a demon and yet he’s considered a wimp in combat as confirmed by the Hazbin hotel creators. Moxie from helluva boss is a demon and yet he’s a weakling who relies on weapons to keep up with his opponents. Also, nightmare was legitimately knocked out by a pistol and hurt by a weakened puppet. Plus, fnaf’s demons barely have any informations about themselves so what you’re saying is pretty much bias. You can’t just say that nightmare wins because he’s a demon, especially when he can be hurt by street level attacks.
Agony does not make you a god. First you exaggerate about demons and now this? Agony’s are emotions that are mainly use to power haunted objects to life. They don’t give you any powers to blow up earth or stars or universes. Hell, William afton had agony before and yet he was overpowered by a forklift in fazbears fright book. Oh and before you say “agony is superior to grief which created the storm by noel” noel/grief creating a storm was completely unintentional and Noel had never harnessed grief’s energy before. He also never had any physical feats that makes him comparable to grief’s storm. And the storm isn’t 35 meters wide, it just follows Noel 35 meters. This feat is pretty much an environmental destruction feats that cannot be used in combat or intentionally. Also, agony boiling the ocean was debunked by kingcorporeal in vs battle wiki on “agony works on zero point field.” Besides, agony does not exist in zajcu37’s series so idk why you had to bring that up.
What if this battle was in zajcu or Bert's channel
nightmare is literally immortal and has alot of ability ofc he wins lol
Mano
Nightmare se apodero de un planeta entero
like what bertbert said redbear decks nightmare without powers cuz nightmare is just an average dude who got god powers if you take those away + redbear learning martial arts from baby then yeah
with powers nightmare undoubtedly wins he can't die unless redbear has a soul sword or sumn
Redbear takes the win easily. Want some
Proof? Well here it is:
Strength: redbear in the video “Redbear’s memory” flipped over a car with just one hand without any difficulties. A car usually weighs from 1.5-2 tons, meaning redbear could lift a weight of 3,000-4,000 lbs with just one arm. And that’s not all, redbear dominated fredbear without any intentions to kill him and he’s the same bear who broke the ceiling just by hitting the wall back in 1974 and he wasn’t as strong as his 1987 self back then. Another feat that I wanna mention is that redbear easily kicked down a security office door that no animatronics can do which was shown in bertbert’s ucn video featuring all of the animatronics from his series and what that means is that those characters from the ucn video are the same characters from his series. I forgot to mention that redbear had also destroyed a car with a single smash and cars are able to withstand crashing through walls. He was much stronger and easily defeated ignited springtrap who is comparable to if not stronger than his past self who can rip animatronics apart in fnaf 3. In zajcu37’s series there’s not a lot of strength feats to begin with, or atleast compare to Redbear’s feats. The best feats I could name here is nightmare ripping golden Freddy’s head off and that’s about it. And to make matters worse, nightmare can’t even punch down a door and a table that’s boarded by two weakened animatronics (why are they weakened you ask? Well because both springtrap and puppet had their souls taken by nightmare which took away their powers. Meaning that they were powerless at that time)
Durability/endurance: now before I get into this, nightmare saying he can withstand rocket launchers and grenades is a big hyperbolic statement because it’s never shown that they could withstand any rocket launchers or grenades, I mean those nightmare animatronics can easily be knocked out by a knife to the eye and easily be killed by a blow to their heads similar to the hunters. Besides nightmare was screaming in pain by puppet when he shoved his hand into nightmare’s shoulder and puppet in zajcu37 is a featless fodder who lost to golden Freddy (golden Freddy was knocked out by a pipe to the face by toy chica) and lost his powers during his battle against nightmare. Not to mention, nightmare was staggered by a lifeless, featless, ordinary robot such as rockstar Freddy. This implies that nightmare exaggerates himself alot. Especially when he claims he’s omnipotent which is a huge exaggeration from nightmare, meaning that anything he says cannot be certainly true let alone false information. And immortality? How can we be sure he’s immortal if he CAN be killed by the sword toy chica has, not to mention he’s never even withstood anything lethal that could 100% kill you. Last but not least a cop briefly knocked out nightmare with a freaking pistol. You may say nightmare pretended to be knocked out but the truth is he wasn’t, I mean if a powerless/weakened puppet can hurt nightmare then a pistol which is made to kill people can definitely knock nightmare out. And nightmare after being shot by the same cop bragged about how he can’t be killed and that he’s immortal but never said he can’t be destroyed by anything like some bullets. And if you pay attention to that scene, nightmare fell back to his chair after being shot 4 times the same movement as nightmare mangle did when she was stabbed in the eye and both of them were briefly knocked out with the same amount of time they were knocked out. This is relevant because nightmare had done the same thing as nightmare mangle who was also knocked out by a weak force that makes you look like a street level fodder, which shows that he had indeed been knocked out by a pistol. This shows that nightmare can survive gunshots but not withstand them (there’s a difference between surviving and withstanding). Redbear on the other hand has been shown to tank a grenade explosion directly to him (with injuries) and that same grenade caused the pizzeria to explode, broke down brick and wooden structures, and caused a fire in the “don’t mess with ignited Freddy” series. And that’s not all, redbear also survived a pizzarea explosion that leveled the entire pizzarea from the inside in “last stand 4” even tho he was knocked out for a long time, it showed how tough he was because that explosion was a small building level explosion and it’s way more dangerous than being hurt by a featless, powerless puppet or a pistol. In addition, redbear had taken hits from all the animatronics in series 1 and took an axe to the face by Bonnie, he also endured being impaled by creation and fredbear while he was left opened which is a thousand times more dangerous than having your shoulder stabbed by a powerless animatronic and turned out fine. He also took hits from creation who was comparable to him in strength. Oh and for the record, immortality =/= durability
Speed/agility: with the new episode from Bertbert, “don’t mess with ignited Freddy 8,” I’ve found a new speed/agility feat for redbear that surpasses anything in zajcu37’s universe. Redbear can keep up with and is comparable in speed to ignited Freddy who can dodge redbear’s eye laser beam point blank which is emitted with light (not man made light but supernatural light) and lights are the fastest thing in the universe which travels 186000 miles per second! That’s way faster than any speed feats performed by zajcu37 characters, including foxy’s speed feat of dodging a shotgun bullet point blank. Now the speed of redbear’s eye laser beam may not seem really fast in the ignited Freddy video, but Bertbert probably made it like that so we can see the laser and action much better. If he realistically made it looked as fast as light, we wouldn’t be able to see the laser hit the hat or anything. Take sonic for example, he doesn’t seem fast in gameplay but in lore, HES ONE HELLUVA SPEED DEMON! Not only can redbear tag with characters that can dodge light speed, but redbear’s offense speed is as fast as the speed of light because he can shoot literal light beams from his eye. That would’ve meant redbear’s offense and defense speed scales to light speed. Plus, redbear’s karate training enables him to dodge any incoming attacks and attack unpredictably. And since redbear trains a lot and had a bunch of experiences, it’s likely his speed scales above ignited Freddy. Now for nightmare, he has 0 speed feats to begin with. We can’t scale him to foxy’s feats because of the fact that zajcu37 characters have different scalings. For example, Bonnie survived springtrap’s attack but not Freddy, chica or foxy. Springtrap took an unknown explosion during his fight with golden Freddy but golden Freddy was knocked out for a long time. I’m giving this category to redbear
Iq: obviously nightmare, he constructed a plan that took over many countries and continents for 100 years. But redbear isn’t an idiot. He can fix a door and likely has a similar iq to fredbear who came up with a plan to stop redbear.
BIQ: redbear (I don’t need to explain)
Combat/skills: are we gonna ignore the fact that nightmare had never fought anyone in the series and let’s his minions do All the work for him? Redbear is fully capable of fighting superhuman/supernatural beings like Fredbear, puppet, and fought a fazbears curse amped Freddy and dominated him with one arm only! He’s also capable of fighting creation without any curses. Not only that but redbear is a trained karate warrior who’s trained with baby and shown impressive skills here. My boy redbear performed roundhouse kicks,a jump kick with two legs, sweep kicks, and there’s a short video that features baby and Redbear’s karate skills comparison.
Abilities/hax: I’m giving this one to redbear. His curses clearly triumphs over nightmare’s orb. If y’all are gonna fanboy about nightmare’s powers, just remember that we’ve barely seen any impressive powers from the orb that even compares to a single part of the curse. In fact, most of the powers we’ve seen from the orb is practically pathetic. All the orb ever did was summon minions, create a red energy wave, push back animatronics like foxy, and brainwash people. That’s pretty much it. The curses on the other hand are capable of teleporting you(blue curse), amplifying your strength to a great degree with pure energy (purple curse), invading someone’s mind and effortlessly killing them (orange curse, don’t mess with ignited Freddy 8), mind controlling someone (green curse), and levitating someone while ripping your enemy’s limbs off (red curse). Redbear’s blue curse can evade any of nightmare’s attacks, the red curse can just simply just rip nightmare’s arm off (the one that’s holding the orb) and pull the arm to redbear, the green curse has a better chance of controlling nightmare as redbear uses the green curse in combat and can be used on his ear unlike the orb which needs the victim to be hostilely held in place to be brainwashed. Basically, the curses are much more powerful than the orb, the curses has many ways to counter the orb, the curses has shown more abilities, and so on. If nightmare’s orb is really powerful, name one power that even compares to the curse.
Feats: nightmare has little to no feats. Taking over the world doesn’t count cause it was his armies that dominated the countries and that it took 100 years to take over some countries. And I highly doubt he’d be involved in a fight with trained military soldiers. I mean if a powerless animatronic and a pistol can do serious damage to him then a military with rockets and explosives would turn nightmare into ash.
Conclusion: redbear wins no diff
To everyone who kept saying nightmare wins: COPE!!!
Note: we can include Redbear’s feats from the main series and the ignited series due to the fact that Bertbert confirmed that main series redbear is superior to ignited series redbear. Considering how the main series redbear is the main redbear, that means we can include his feats from both series.
Note 2: please do not say “bertbert confirms nightmare wins if they both use powers” in the same comment section here because bertbert said “personal take” which means that this is all just bertbert’s opinion and that he didn’t acknowledge the fight in pure research (no offense to bertbert btw, I’m just saying that he doesn’t really research characters and just says who wins based on his opinions). And I’m pretty sure bertbert would change his mind if he were to see the proofs that I wrote
Note 3: nightmare had never fought anyone in the series at all. He never fought the military, it was his minions from the factory and even then his whole army needed 100 years to conquer most of the country (not all of them). He never fought the swat teams, it was his minions that did so and even then nightmare needed a plan for his minions and catch the swat teams off guard in order to kill them. Nightmare didn’t really fight toy Freddy, he literally ran away from nightmare like a coward. And puppet? He didn’t have his powers with him at that time and even then harmed nightmare, showing that nightmare can still be damaged by anyone. Don’t even get me started with toy chica and her sword, we’ve never seen her train nor mastered her swordsman skills. And toy chica is the same chicken who struggled to beat a handless animatronic & springtrap and only took them down because she caught them off guard. Toy Chica is not as strong as most animatronics and is only a threat to nightmare because of a soul sword. Not only that but nightmare will lose to toy chica in their final fight. Also, nightmare didn’t train nor mastered anything, not even his swordsman skills unlike redbear who has mastery over karate skills and the curses powers. Also, redbear states that anyone with the red curse could easily one shot you by ripping your head off. And since redbear is knowledgeable about the curse, he likely has mastery over them especially when he was training.
Note 4: this is to everyone who’s saying nightmare wins because he’s immortal. The truth is, Nightmare’s immortality would not help him at all. Just because you can’t die doesn’t mean you’re invincible cuz immortality and durability are both different. Durability is how much damage you can take and immortality means you can’t die. The difference is that immortal beings can be hurt depending on your immortality. I mean there are many immortal beings that were bested in combat. Geras (mk11) is immortal but he kept losing, movie Deadpool is immortal but a giant metallic dude trashed him alongside juggernaut, Jason voorhees is immortal and yet he was taken down before (he even died to a bomb in part 9). There are many types of immortalities and how effective they are. Nightmare has “resilient immortality” which means he can survive lethal attacks like a pistol without healing BUT this immortality has levels of effectiveness and can be bypassed through enough damage given. And since nightmare was knocked out by a pistol and was screaming in pain by puppet, it’s safe to say that nightmare’s immortality is useless. Furthermore, it proves how fragile nightmare can be, I mean why do you think nightmare relies on his minions to do all the work? You don’t need immortality to win because it’s just useless. Even if redbear can’t kill nightmare, he’d just rip off nightmare’s head and use it as a talking souvenir who complains about losing. I mean it’s not like nightmare can regenerate or resurrect himself cuz none of that had ever been shown or stated. “But why does toy chica need a soul sword instead of a rocket launcher or bombs?” Obviously because the humans don’t trust animatronics, there’s barely any weapons lying around (since humanity was near extinction, the nightmare animatronics might’ve taken those weapons), and they’d be wasted before encountering nightmare. Besides, golden Freddy and toy chica might’ve been too gullible about nightmare being immortal or maybe they just want to make sure nightmare 100% dies through a soul sword.
Note 5: considering nightmare’s fodderized durability feats that I named, we cannot scale him to any of his nightmare minions as they have tanked damages much better than nightmare had. Also, him creating his minions doesn’t make him above them cause let’s not forget that it was the orb that created them not nightmare, nightmare just used the orb to create his minions. And before you say anything about nightmare knocking down the door that the nightmare minions could not in the episode “the great escape” we don’t know how nightmare bust open those doors. And since nightmare couldn’t punch a door boarded by two weakened animatronics, we can’t be certain that he “effortlessly” knocked that door down. Besides, nightmare opened the door AFTER springtrap and Bonnie stopped blocking the wall. And his minions being scared of him doesn’t mean anything, they’re just loyal to nightmare because he created them with the power of the orb.
Note 6: before you bring up nightmare’s orb giving his armies resistant to any human weaponry, I’d like to point out that scraptrap included nightmare to being resistant to human weaponry. But that’s contradicted by the fact that nightmare was briefly knocked out by 4 shots to the head by a pistol (he didn’t pretend he was knocked out because a pistol is much more dangerous than a skinny animatronic shoving its fingers into your shoulders which nightmare could not handle. And nightmare was bragging about how he couldn’t die to anything but never said he’s immune to bullets and crap. Lastly, nightmare was falling back to the chair the same movement nightmare mangle did when she was stabbed in the eye and both were briefly knocked out by it). And we don’t know when nightmare “tried” to make himself resistant to human weaponry. We can’t include the world conflict event because nightmare did not participate in the war because only his minions did all that work and it didn’t show nightmare fighting with the minions at all. I mean, why would he go into a war with tanks or bombs if he can’t even handle blows from pistols or a weakened puppet? And before the word conflict? That’s never shown or stated when he made himself resistant to it. And we already saw him being weak before the events of the world conflict. I believe nightmare was trying to make his minions resistant to human weaponry but failed miserably. Scraptrap’s statement about this might’ve been his own theory about it and we don’t know where scraptrap got this from nor do we know who said that they’d make the animatronics resistant to weaponry. It might’ve been like a science experiment to try to make them resistant which failed. Besides, a giant nightmare mangle was easily taken down by a rocket launcher and giant mangles are like the strongest minions for nightmare and many of his minions can easily be killed by a blow to the head. Also, feats > statements.
I ain't reading alat, and nightmare wins easily. Can redbear take over the whole world? And matter of fact when you said nightmare got taken down by a gun he was just testing if his immortality was/actually working/worked and also about the thing you said nightmare can't push away tables or something zajcu37 probably did it on purpose to weaken nightmare and also give some little plot armor on the other animatronics but in reality nightmare could easily killed all of them if there weren't plot armor and for last we still don't know nightmare's full power and strength because there's little to show on season4 cus zajcu37 probably tired on making new episodes that's why. That's all I'll say cus I ain't readin all that nonsense.
@@jem6452 nightmare didn’t even take over the world by himself. His minions did all that work for him and we never saw nightmare participate in the war. Sure, he was with the armies outside but we never saw him fight with them cuz we saw the minions defeating the soldiers and winning before nightmare came along. There’s simply no proof of nightmare doing so with his army. In fact, he’d die before he even lays a finger on the military if he were to fight with his armies. If pistols are enough to knock nightmare out then what do you think a tank could do? Besides, we don’t know “SPECIFICALLY” how nightmare’s minions managed to take over the world as Zajcu never showed much of the war.
And if you think zajcu made nightmare unable to knock down a door because of him weakening nightmare then that’s really stupid. There’s nothing that suggests nightmare being weakened by zajcu37 nor had plot armor even done anything. Nightmare is not that strong, he has no feats that makes him as strong as anybody and we can’t use scalings because the majority of characters have different scaling to begin with. And there are more cases than this where nightmare was shown to be a weakling, such as when toy chica (one of the weakest animatronics) stopped nightmare’s fist. Sure, he ripped golden Freddy’s head off but that was when golden Freddy was an ordinary animatronic without any powers and that he was dying from the sword. You’re just assuming zajcu37 did so because of your assumptions to nightmare being powerful even tho he had little to no feats to begin with. And plot armor? They had no plot armor to begin with. Puppet died and spring trap was knocked out for a very long time. Plot armor or not and whether nightmare took down the door or not, the scenario of puppet and springtrap running away would still happen. And nightmare already killed everyone except for toy chica and springtrap. The only reason why they survived was not because of plot armor but because of nightmare’s overconfidence and arrogance. And THAT wasn’t plot armor, it’s just nightmare’s personality.
And when you said he was testing his immortality, he was always saying that he was immortal (which is not certainly true) and always think nothing can kill him. He wasn’t testing it, he just knew he wasn’t gonna die. And you’re proving my point exactly, cause he DID get knocked out by a pistol but DIDNT DIE. And that proves he’s not really durable, he just has resilient immortality which has a limit to how much damage effects you can survive and it can be bypassed. And just so you know, immortality does not equal to durability or endurance. I’ve already explained how his immortality works in the 4th note
And when you said we never saw nightmare’s full power, we actually saw what nightmare can do which is pathetic. I mean all he does is brainwash people, make red energy waves and summon minions which are not really applied for combats. And since nightmare is not too much of a fighter, it would make sense why nightmare has these lame powers, cause he’s not as good of a combatant as everyone else. So it’s not that we never saw his full power, he just doesn’t have incredible powers to begin with. And if nightmare could really do much, we would’ve seen any impressive powers let alone more powers from him or the orb meaning that the orb is not too powerful and nightmare fanboys (which includes you) are just gullible enough to believe false statements and bring up things that haven’t even been shown.
And if you don’t wanna read all these informations then that’s your problem cuz these informations debunk everything that you said and is proven on how weak nightmare is. And excuse me if I love writing a lot of informations about certain topics since I don’t want anyone to use the immortality excuse or false statement’s from nightmare. So next time you see valid information, read them or better yet don’t debate me on this one.
For me I would say redbear and nightmare are equal but ain’t no way I’m writing a whole essay about why
@@surpableare you saying “I ain’t writing an essay” as a way of saying you’re not gonna read my comment? Because this comment pretty much proves why nightmare is a weakling to redbear and why redbear negs nightmare. And if you’re so sure that they’re equal, then explain to me how tough nightmare is. Name some feats and statements that proves he’s equal to redbear
Edit: man, it’s been 3 weeks and you still won’t tell me why they’re equal? Ok then. I guess my point is proven then
Nice edit bro, can u send the link of Redbear's clips u used?
I don't have clips, I just use download videos, but maybe.
@@predalien049 Can u say the name of the clips
@@VrollterWhite I will send you some links.
@@VrollterWhite I send two.
1: ruclips.net/video/EOKOgBCNvIU/видео.html
2: ruclips.net/video/AbU-npVT84U/видео.html
redbear wins for sure ngl
Yes
Love the battle. Hey It be even better if it had proof :)
Don’t worry, I took care of it (I made some proofs on why redbear takes every categories except iq)
Nostalgia
the mimic vs redbear
If the nightmare was real and have his powers when he was not real he Will stomp him neg diff
nightmare is real in zajcus verse its not canon nightmare
If redbear was in zajcu37 series he would solo nightmare
This is actually cap but I won’t argue
You sure? Redbear is not a joke
The animation is.@@Flagl3ss
What happend to bertbert 😢
Nightmare wins if we hits redbear with his sword it drains the life force out of the animatronic
redbear is power 😱
I my opinion:
Strength - both
Speed - Nightmare
C.speed/reflex - Redbear
Durability - Nightmare (immortality)
IQ/Planning - Nightmare (redbear is pretty dumb)
BattleIQ - Redbear (nightmare outsmarted many times)
Experience - Redbear (debatable)
Hax/Power - Nightmare (ball> curses)
Abilities - Redbear
Combat skill - Redbear
Weapon - Nightmare (sword+ball)
Overall 9-7
nightmare high diff
Strength: redbear
- redbear flipped a car with one hand which weighs 3,000 - 4,000 pounds in “Redbear’s memory episode”
- redbear kicked down a security door in bertbert’s fnaf ucn video which none of the animatronics could ever do
- redbear overpowered fredbear who can break ceilings by hitting a wall in 1974 when he wasn’t as strong as his 1987 self.
- redbear destroyed a car which are capable of resisting to crashing through walls in the same episode “Redbear’s memory”
- stomped ignited springtrap who is comparable to springtrap (fnaf 3) who can rip apart animatronics with his bare hands during the mini game as his William Afton self.
- nightmare can’t even punch down a door that is boarded up by tables and two weakened animatronics and needed nightmare chica to do that work for him.
- nightmare had his fist stopped by toy chica (one of the weakest animatronics seen cuz she struggled with a handless animatronic and needed to knock her out off guard. The same with springtrap)
- nightmare has 0 strength feats that compares to redbear.
Durability: redbear
- redbear no sells fredbear’s attacks (in other words, they weren’t effective against redbear). Even impaling his hand through Redbear’s chest while he was left wide opened couldn’t stop redbear and he ended up stomping fredbear again. Fredbear can collapse a ceiling just by hitting a wall without any problems, and he did do in 1974 who was weaker than his 1987 self who couldn’t hurt redbear.
- red took many hits from creation who is comparable to him.
- tank a direct grenade explosion that blew up the pizzarea, destroyed wooden & brick structures, and caused a fire. This could be a small building level explosion. (Ignited series)
- redbear survived another pizzarea explosion in the main series.
- redbear was not fazed by a car that rammed to him in “Redbear’s memory” episode
- nightmare screamed in pain by puppet just by shoving his fingers on his shoulders and that was while puppet was powerless
- nightmare was staggered by an ordinary robot such as rockstar Freddy when he punched nightmare
- nightmare was briefly knocked out by 4 shots by a pistol
- immortality is useless and I already explained it in my comment section
Speed: redbear
- nightmare has 0 speed feats
- redbear can keep up with ignited Freddy who can dodge Redbear’s eye laser which presumably moves at a speed of light
- Redbear’s eye laser is emitted of purple light and is considered a “laser” by bertbert, showing that it is pretty fast.
Iq: nightmare
- redbear isn’t an idiot. If he was, he wouldn’t have been able to fight well or fix a door or anything like that. Plus, he has competed with fredbear who is smart enough to come up with plans
- nightmare did construct a plan to take over the world. However, his overconfidence and arrogance makes his IQ irrelevant.
Hax/power: redbear.
- curses > ball.
- the orb had never displayed any powers that comes close to a single curse. All it ever did was summon minions, push back animatronics, create weak red energy waves, and brainwash people (only used when the victim is held in place hostilely which likely can’t be used in combat).
- the curses are much more powerful. The purple curse can one shot springbonnie who survived a pizzarea explosion & amplify your strength to a great degree. The green curse can control your mind and was used in combat against toy Bonnie. The red curse has telekinesis which can push down walls, rip your limbs off and lift any objects. The blue curse can let you teleport. The orange curse allows the user to enter one’s mind and in that mind the orange curse user is in full control over your mind. The orange curse user can easily kill you in your mind. If you die in your mind, you die in real life (confirmed by bertbert).
Weapons: redbear
- Redbear’s devil pitchfork > nightmare’s sword. The pitchfork was confirmed to shoot beams. The sword was treated as an ordinary sword, sure it had dark energies but those dark energies weren’t anything impressive.
Redbear wins negative diff
@@Romromramsay7883 yeah you're right about strength, I forgot about many feats of redbear (the door thing, nightmare doesn't even try to take it down), we don't have enough nightmare feats, my bad...
Durability: he's immortal so
Speed: I have counted near teleportation and far teleportation (portals)
The things you said are combat speed
Power/hax: the ball can literally create life, erase souls, manipulate energy, make people immortal and more.
Wait, what weak red beams?
Weapon: nightmare sword can absorb souls and instantly kill anyone even nightmares animatronic (that are immortal)
Don't forget that this is a full power fight and nightmare almost never used full Power, he's always resting and let other nightmares doing everything... however on a base form fight, Redbear win
@@LemonCry
“The door thing, nightmare doesn’t even try to take it down”
Actually, he did try to take it down. First of all, he retracted his claws which showed that he tried to use all his strength to punch down the door. And when he said “and this is suppose to stop us? Amateurs.” That didn’t show nightmare was holding back, he just knew that the cupcake bomb would clear the path which is why he told nightmare chica to do so. If he really can punch the door down, he would’ve done so by now but he can’t. Also, nightmare telling nightmare chica to clear a path that he can’t do is another reason on why he relies on his minions, because he can’t do those jobs without his minions doing so. Another support for this is that nightmare wanted to kill all of the animatronics, that showed he wanted to punch down the door to kill all of the animatronics. If he wasn’t trying, he wouldn’t even attempt to punch down the door in the first place. Plus he doesn’t have strength feats that even proves he wasn’t trying.
“Nightmare is immortal so”
It doesn’t matter if he’s immortal or not, he still has a weak durability. Just because you’re immortal doesn’t mean you’d be invincible. There’s a difference between durability and immortality. Durability is how much damage you can take and immortality means you can’t die. The difference is that immortal beings can be hurt and defeated in combat, there are many immortal beings that have lost before. Geras (mk11) is immortal and yet he kept losing, movie Deadpool is immortal and yet colossus and juggernaut stomped him with ez, Jason voorhees is immortal and yet he was stopped many times (he also died by some bombs in part 9). There are many types of immortalities and they all work differently. What nightmare has is “resilient immortality” which means he can survive lethal things that could kill a person without healing but on the other hand, this type of immortality has different levels of effectiveness and can be bypassed with enough damage given. Since nightmare was hurt by fingers to his shoulder and was knocked out by a pistol, then stronger weapons like a shotgun can definitely kill nightmare (he wasn’t pretending to be knocked out by a pistol. If a weakened puppet is able to hurt nightmare by putting his fingers into his shoulder then a gun made to kill people can knock out nightmare. Plus, nightmare bragged about how he was immortal but never said anything about being invincible which implies that he was knocked out but didn’t die. Lastly, he fell back to his chair after being shot at the same movement as nightmare mangle did when she was knocked out by a knife to the eye and both were briefly knocked out at the same amount of time. If nightmare did that same action as nightmare mangle did when she was knocked out then nightmare was definitely knocked out by a pistol). So really, nightmare’s resilient immortality has a limit to his standards and the only reason why he kept saying he’s immortal was because he exaggerates himself alot thinking that nobody can stop him.
“I have counted near teleportation and far teleportation (portal)”
By that logic, that applies to redbear too. He can teleport via the fazbear’s curses. And the portal part does not apply to nightmare, it only works for that portal machine and nightmare has no idea how to even use it without plushtrap on his side (plus it won’t help in combat). Oh and for the record, teleportation is NOT a speed feat, it’s an ability. Also, nightmare had never teleported before, if he could he would’ve done so in “the great escape” or when toy chica went through the portal or teleporting behind the boarded door in “the battle for survival.”
“The ball can literally create life”
No it can’t. None of the videos ever shown nightmare creating life. If you’re referring to nightmare taking puppet’s soul which creates life then I’d like to tell you that it does not apply to nightmare. Nightmare stated that parts of his soul gave puppet, golden Freddy and springbonnie their “OWN” set of powers but those powers never came to nightmare or we would’ve seen him create a soul. In fact, that’s the reason why there was a needle machine behind mike which was used to take their souls and use it for their soldiers rather than nightmare using his orb to create souls. But even then, creating souls won’t help you in combat because souls don’t do much in zajcu37 verse so idc what you’ll say about it.
“Erase souls”
Erase souls? Please tell me where you got that information from. (And maybe send a link to me so I can be certain if it’s true or not)
“What weak red beam?”
I’m talking about the energy wave that nightmare used to push springtrap back from mangle and the other animatronics to the wall. Even then, that attack did nothing and they got back up like it was nothing. That was shown in “unstoppable evil” episode
“Manipulate energy”
Can you elaborate on that and how it’ll help you in combat? Like.. where did you get that from?
“The nightmare sword can absorb souls, instant kill people and kill nightmares who are immortal”
Dude, puppet has no prior knowledge on the sword. I mean how does he even know about his sword? I mean everyone would know it is Imbued with dark energy cuz of how evil nightmare is. And absorbing souls? Im pretty sure it’s another way of saying that he’s dying. I mean, if it can absorb souls then Bonnie wouldn’t even be revived because the soul would be in the sword, golden Freddy’s conscious wouldn’t be transported into his past self’s mind and we’ve seen Bonnie’s red soul come out after he had died by the sword in “the soul sword 3” episode. I highly doubt it would instant kill anyone, toy Bonnie didn’t instantly die, golden Freddy didn’t instantly die and not even bonnie. We don’t know if his minions are immortal, so we can’t be certain if they are or not.
“Nightmare never uses his full power”
Dude, nightmare wasn’t holding back. He literally wanted to kill all of the animatronics in the pizzarea and if someone wants to kill someone then they wouldn’t hold back anything. The only reason why he lets his minions do all the work is because he isn’t really a fighter himself and just aims for small fries like toy Freddy and the rockstar animatronics (who are ordinary robots). And the reason why he never instantly killed toy chica or golden Freddy was because golden Freddy was powerless and toy chica is one of the weakest animatronics out there. Also, they were surrounded by nightmare animatronics so what’ll they do? Go in the portal where “something” was changed? Also, golden Freddy was stabbed in the chest by the sword and in that moment nightmare decided to torture toy chica and not kill her. He might’ve underestimated toy chica but that doesn’t mean he acted so casual about it. Just because nightmare doesn’t have a lot of feats doesn’t mean he’s holding back, it just means that he’s a weakling because without feats we can’t say that nightmare is anything powerful (especially when nightmare had shown more fodderized feats). Plus, what makes you think he held back?
@@Romromramsay7883
Damn you blast me by just telling facts,
I'll try to debate a little bit:
at the beginning he only wanted to take his soul back, but they’re still alive so he decide to kill them, cause they would be a problem in the future, if they’re still alive (scraptrap alone killed some of his army)
About durability: still nightmare can't die. the point is that he can take damage/feel pain when he's off-guard, but using the power of the ball can just stop feeling pain, when the human shot him (and he wanted to be shot that's why he fell off) he was literally laughing... but still base redbear has more durability than base nightmare (base nightmare durability is at the same level of a human)
about the ball and life thing: he created the nightmares and before that the ball gave nightmare a second life and using his soul, it created the 3 primordial animatronics and their abilities (yeah, i know their abilities may not be comparable to the bertbert series animatronics) so its still a way better weapon(it have some sort of limitations)…so i correct my self this soul manipulation or something like that
I’m pretty sure that he can use puppets power cause he’s practically a part of nightmare…
i didn’t really understand the part when you talked about the sword
however the sword actually dissipate soul, after the subject die, overtime...and even if it doesn't kill instantly it makes beings really weak so
bonnie have been revived by the artifact, that is way stronger than nightmare, and by absorbing i meant when nightmare takes the souls of the animatronics
the minions can’t be defeated (it was said by toy chica) but still can be damaged
“What makes you think he’s holding back?”
i thought that nightmare is a pretty “lazy” guy, we actually even saw him forcing the door on "the great escape" episode, and that door was blocked by refrigerator that has more weight than some tables... but the "he's not a good fighter" make sense
by the way nothing to say, you're right
@@LemonCry about durability: you still can’t even accept the fact that he can die due to having limitations to his immortality. Haven’t you read what I said about immortality? Also, it doesn’t matter if he was off guard or not because he still got hurt, I mean he looked at puppet before puppet hurt nightmare so I don’t think it’s really catching nightmare off guard. It’s not like he’s a saiyan who can be hurt more by being attacked off guard and animatronics functions more differently than Saiyans because being defensive or off guard doesn’t effect animatronic’s durability. I mean look at redbear, he was off guard when fredbear and creation impaled redbear. Imagine being impaled through the chest by a robot that can break ceilings like nothing and by an amalgamation that has a similar strength to redbear who can smash cars and flip them. That’s even worse than having a featless, powerless puppet shoving his finger into your shoulder and redbear kept fighting and single handily took down fredbear and creation (although he was downed by creation, he quickly got back up and killed creation). The ball can’t make him stop feeling pain. Where did you even get these informations from? If you’re referring to scrap trap’s statement of making them resistant to human weaponry via the orb, then I’d like to tell you that scrap trap included nightmare to being resistant to human weaponry (we don’t know when nightmare made him resistant to human weaponry. Don’t say during the world conflict event because he never fought with his armies. In fact, I don’t think he ever did that) and yet he was shown to be staggered by rockstar Freddy and knocked out by a pistol. Plus, we don’t know where scraptrap got it from and we can’t be certain if scraptrap was correct or not. Scraptrap might’ve been through a war for 100 years but he never intended to get every info’s from nightmare. It was all about survival for scraptrap and he only aims to get supplies. I mean, maybe what nightmare tried to do was a sort of experiment to try to make them resistant to human weaponry which failed miserably. Maybe this is all just part of scraptrap’s theory. But nevertheless, we don’t really know where scraptrap got it from and we don’t know if what he’s saying is true or not, after all he was a little insane. So we can’t really use that for now.
Nightmare never even laughed when he was shot. He just bragged about how he was immortal after being briefly knocked out. Yes, he wanted to be shot but that doesn’t change anything about what I say and my point still stands because I just explained to you on how nightmare was knocked out by a pistol in a bracket. Besides, nightmare probably wanted to scare the swat police by asking him to shoot him but that doesn’t mean he was so casual about it because he knew he wouldn’t die due to his resilient immortality.
About the sword that you talked about
I rewatched what puppet said about nightmare’s sword and he said it was “absorbing Bonnie” but never said anything about absorbing the soul. Perhaps it’s just another way of saying Bonnie was dying. Also, nothing of this series had ever said anything about the sword dissipating the soul and if that’s true then I’d like to see some evidence. The sword never made golden Freddy, bonnie and toy bonnie weak because these 3 had weak durabilities in the first place. Golden Freddy was knocked out by a pipe, killed by an axe, and was knocked out for a very long time by a small, unknown explosion that occurred during his fight with Springtrap. Bonnie was one shotted by Springtrap and golden Freddy and literally has 0 feats by his side. Toy Bonnie is featless so idk how he’s anything strong. These 3 were only injured by the sword because they were stabbed THROUGH their chest and not being weakened by the sword. I mean being impaled through the torso would obviously kill you, and these 3 were slowly dying so no. The sword’s powers didn’t weaken them, they were slowly dying because of being conventionally impaled through their chests. You’re just saying it can absorb souls because of what puppet said, and puppet doesn’t even know about nightmare’s sword because he’s never seen it before. So no, it can’t absorb souls and it can’t dissipate souls.
About nightmare forcing the door that was blocked by a refrigerator
“The great escape” video never showed us on how nightmare forced the door and refrigerator. We can’t be certain if he can just punch the refrigerator away cuz he can’t even punch down the tables that’s boarded by Springtrap and puppet who were both powerless at that time. Maybe he himself rammed onto the door & refrigerator, maybe he used something as a battering ram to push the refrigerator, but either way we don’t know how he did it so we can’t certainly use that as a feat.
Edit: I actually researched more about nightmare’s sword and I found that toy Bonnie’s soul was still intact with him despite staying dead by that sword for 3 weeks. If nightmare’s sword could really absorb souls, why couldn’t it absorb toy Bonnie’s? Or better yet, how come the sword never dissipated toy Bonnie’s soul after 3 weeks? Same for toy Freddy after he was killed by that sword AND Bonnie too. Plus, puppet never said it absorbs souls, he just said it was absorbing Bonnie as a way of saying “he’s dying”. Also, it’s unknown if nightmare’s minions are ever immortal. Toy chica saying that they’re immortal is stupid because she’s just gullible enough to believe they’re immortal. And the minions tanking bullets doesn’t prove anything either because there are other characters that can take bullets but still die. Take resident evil for example, Mr. X (tyrant) is invulnerable to bullets on his whole body (except his head) and yet he died to William birkin and a rocket launcher. William birkin can soak up bullets and explosions but died in the end. And I’m 100% sure redbear can take bullets too. If he can tank a grenade explosion that blew up the pizzarea or a pizzarea explosion in the main series, then bullets would do nothing to him.
Power and durability nightmare definetly wins *if humans couldnt stop him than no one can*
Redbear can kill him
Yellow Part + Soul Sword = Nightmare's death
Nightmare takes dub he killed everyone except for toy Chica
And shadows cuz nightmare fears shadow's
What’s red bear?
Nightmare has Full Power
Nightmare takes IQ
Give Nightmare artifact and it may be a closer fight
Also both are Ignited Freddy victims frfrfr
I hope you’re saying redbear is ignited Freddy’ victim as a joke cuz..
1. In “don’t mess with ignited Freddy” there are many cases where redbear is proven superior to ignited Freddy. For example, when redbear uppercuts ignited Freddy to the air, he momentarily knocks out ignited Freddy, giving him the chance to kill him had creation not sneak up and attacked redbear. Redbear’s headbutt was proven to be more powerful than ignited Freddy’s. Not to mention, when ignited Freddy headbutted redbear, all it did was push him back but redbear’s headbutt legitimately injured ignited Freddy. Redbear also momentarily knocked ignited Freddy out with a single punch to his side head and he overpowers ignited Freddy’s ramming attack via wrestling slam in don’t mess with ignited Freddy 8. Finally, ignited Freddy was overpowered by and was going to be killed by foxy, who was controlled by redbear. Fun fact: when redbear controlled foxy with his green curse, foxy gains the same strength as redbear as confirmed by Bertbert in my comment section in “don’t mess with ignited Freddy 8.” Here’s another fun fact: ignited series redbear was confirmed to be weaker than main series redbear and that main series redbear mops the floor out of ignited series redbear. If ignited Freddy struggled to beat ignited series redbear, then main series redbear stomps.
2. In TJOC, ignited Freddy is pretty much featless. His best feats were pretty much killing humans in his jumpscare. He’s pretty much street level in TJOC. No, his time stop ability won’t help him because he doesn’t freeze the physical time itself when he’s stopping time from reaching 6 AM. He just stops the timer from reaching 6 AM which is nothing more than game mechanics.
Also, I highly doubt the artifact can do much to help nightmare. All the artifact can do is summon minions, create red energy waves and brainwash people (brainwashing people is non-combat appliance since nightmare used that ability on humans that were held hostagely but never in combat). The best notable ability from the artifact was giving the user the ability to see all possible futures in the timeline but the thing is, that’s never given to nightmare at all. Speaking of which:
Nightmare already has the artifact with him via the orb, but he can’t really control the artifact to his own likings nor gain any special powers from it. Thus, he can’t command the artifact to grant him the ability to see all possible futures. This would imply that the artifact itself proves superior to nightmare. I don’t think it’ll make any difference if nightmare used his orb/artifact, he’d be negged either way.
Okay now that's a fair point
But still victims of Breadbear and Farfour
That's just your opinion
redbear isnt even real its just some random in that animation So Prob nightmare will win
He appears in FNAF World and it's scaling the Redbear and Nightmare from fan animations, not their official counterparts.
Cap
Red bear is nightmare
Power two!
team redbear
Nightmire strenght
Redbear is shadow freddy
No nightmare is shadow freddy
Funny: evil nightmare
Redbear would definitely destroy shadow Freddy
I disagree 😊😊