Living in London this is a pretty interesting perspective to see. Motorcycle/moped thieves are as common here as flies and they're way more aggressive, try to stop them and they'll just stab you and be on their way, with or without your bike
@@benmontgomery208 If it's a very valuable bike you cannot park it in public. Security car parks plus a chain to an anchor point is the best you can do without carrying a silly amount of locks. If its a normal bike then you'll still need a chain, anchor point and very sturdy disk lock but you can park in a bay The Litelock is genuinely good for out and about use but it shouldn't be your only security
I've had that Kryptonite Keeper chain for the better part of a decade. I lived in an apartment in the city and had my bike chained to the carport with it and it was great.
Others to consider: OnGuard 8046 and Abus 8008. I use one of each on my bikes when they're stored at home, and carry an OnGuard 8046 on the bike when I'm riding. The Abus 8008 is worlds better than the rubbish Xena stuff (which can generally be broken open easily, especially by screwing a bolt extractor into it). The Abus 8008 bar locks into the other side. However, a GPS tracker is becoming a necessity - an experienced thief will look for one and remove it, but at least with geofencing you'll get an SMS when the bike moves from its location, and you can start the recovery process straight away (instead of finding out hours or days later that the bike is gone). An Apple AirTag can also be useful, but pull it apart and remove the speaker first. I'm going to end up with a GPS tracker and Apple AirTag on my bikes. I'll make up a fake Power Commander label (or something like that) for the GPS unit.
Thank you Chase! I bought my first sport bike (23 zX6R) on Oct 2022, traded in my F700gs and was on cloud 9 until it was stolen from my apts 2 mo after I bought it. I thought the steering lock would be enough to prevent but I was wrong. The dumb a**** who stole my bike dropped their cell phone which was under my motorcycle cover they discarded on the ground. This happened in Aug 22. Here we are in Feb 2023 and cops have done nothing about it. Their answer was to just report it to the insurance co. What if I paid cash for that bike!? I f***** hate thieves
I heard stories in UK when someone had a bike stolen and he could actually locate the bike using GPS. They went to police station and they couldn't be bothered with that at all. So it looks like you need to take justice in your own hands, go fully armed to recover your bike :D I think it doesn't matter what tool you use to secure your bike, if they are determined to steal it they will find a way. If you keep your bike in the garage, you need to make sure you have insurance in place, good enough security such as cctv and decent locks. Even if your bike is stolen , with all the proof that you have, the insurance company has to pay you back. However, I still wouldn't like to go trough the process knowing insurance companies will do everything not to pay a penny
Sorry mate…but that bit about the British Police couldn’t be bothered is b.s If you have a tracker, you wouldn’t need the Police. You just find out where your property is and take it back 😂 Like you said…”I heard stories…” says it all really lol
@@rustysutton I guess some folks do it by the book…wait for the police, fill out paperwork etc etc…some folks call their mates up and go round to where the bike is and take it back 🤷♂️
Just to clarify, don’t ever lock your bike using the front wheel. It’s easy to remove. Aim to run the lock through your frame, swingarm, stunt cage, etc. Obviously the rear wheel can be removed too. But on a bike like the FZ-07, there’s a solid hole in the swingarm that removing the wheel does nothing for. If you’re going to chain your front wheel, chain it to the frame or the rear wheel. Think of locks as layers. Park somewhere safe. Preferably indoors or well lit. Lock up the bike. Have multiple locks. Have a tracker. Ideally two forms of tracking. Best of luck! Bike thieves are nearly impossible to stop to be honest.
I live in the uk and have a different more secure version of the big beasty Oxford lock I had a break in and attempted robbery yesterday, they couldn't get through the chain! They smashed the disc break alarm off no problem but the chain and floor anchor saved my bike! Out of spite they smashed my headlamp off and cut all my wires, but the bike is still there!
@silverbackpauly4814 well the locks amazing issue is the one day I didn't put it on they had my bike 😂 they tried every day to take it but the lock saved it, and the one time I nip into the doctors for an emergency and forgot to put it on, it was taken within the first 2 minutes according to cctv, I arrived at the doctors at 2:15pm and the bike was taken at 2:17pm
disc lock is fine but i'd use one on the rear disc/tyre, not front, because on most bikes it's fairly easy to quickly remove/disconnect the brake caliper and the front wheel in a couple of minutes....
A disclock is only good for locking the bike shorter periods, like when you take the bike to shopping groceries. It would be easier for a thief to just cut the disc then to remove the frontwheel or cut the lock. In the garage i have a disclock in the front disc and a chain in the backwheel, you should always have multiple locks.
This would be a lot easier and a lot more accurate if it would on the floor.. where it would be if it were being stolen. You'd be able to use gravity to your advantage, to use your feet to hold things in place, not putting your hands in harms way as much. Putting it on a table like that is awkward positioning haha. Thank you for doing these tests though! They are still helpful. :)
The wheel would be on the floor but not the locks/chains. On the street those would be attached to a pole or rack or something above the ground level. If you lock your bike up and leave your chain on the ground you're just asking someone to smash it. Too easy and not smart.
The only problem I've heard about with the Xena is that the alarm can be sensitive. Some people have said that right after installing, if it moves at all it'll trigger. May be a per use thing, but I kinda noticed it in the video while you were testing too. The only con, but the perks are better.
Put 2 gold or diamond grade U locks and chains on your front and back tires, an additional disc lock, and a throttle lock on your bike and they won't even THINK about dealing with all that! I also lock the cover down with 2 cheaper U locks and if they do decide to take on the job, I have 2 airtags and a gps tracker hidden on the bike as well....lmao! *OH yea, don't forget the alarm..lol*
How do you "lock the cover down"? Do they have grommets (in which case a u-lock would seem pointless)? By "cover", I'm assuming that you mean tarp-like covers. I don't ride motorcycles; I'm interested in security. Thanks!
Kryptonites are notoriously easy to pick, and with chains they usually cut whatever you have the bike chained to, not the lock. Also check out Litelocks, they are made from a material which destroys grinder discs, takes 4-5 cutoff wheels and over 5min to get through one. But in the end none of it means shit, they will just cut the ground anchor, or use a crane to lift your bike into a truck, beat up trucks with bed cranes are a common sight in major cities and most of em are motorcycle thieves. And for bicycles, literally every meth head has an angle grinder
I used to have a Xena. It was so sensitive that a light rain would set it off. But with that being said, a thief was still able to steal my bike without a single sound from the alarm…Would make a great paperweight if you’re worried about someone stealing your paper though
@@jackmosby The Xena locks are easy to break apart. A bike of mine was stolen a few years ago and the Xena lock was broken into two pieces easily. Absolute rubbish. Now I use an Abus 8008 on my bikes, as well as an OnGuard 8046.
@@jackmosby Such alarms use dumb electronics, instead of an on-board computer that spends its entire time on motion-analysis. As such, they are set to a specific sensitivity-level - either at the factory or by the user. Consequently, they either under-respond or over-respond. If you set them to be very sensitive, passing traffic might trigger them; if you reduce the sensitivity, then a sneaky attack/dismount might work.
A number of these locks, the weak link won't be brute force attacks, but the lock itself. If you watch someone like Lock Picking Lawyer, you'll see that a lot of these companies put a LOT of money and effort in protecting against cutting or hammering but cheap out badly on the lock mechanism, which can be picked or defeated in seconds using some simple tools. Not all are like that, but it pays to be aware that this is a problem, and even price isn't an indication of a good lock.
@@shayslay3416 It only takes 1 for you to be out your bike or whatever you're locking up. Some sort of lock is better than none, and this issue doesn't somehow invalidate what Chase and crew did. It only points out that you can't do your homework and assume you're golden based on one set of criteria. Thieves have access to the same information we do. I think it's a bad assumption to assert that thieves are stupid and would have zero interest in developing skills that make their life easier.
@@vonmaceronetheheretic191 Quite true. Statistics also say that number isn't zero, so there is still risk. If you have two locks of similar price and one can be defeated in seconds with a wave rake or bypass tool while the other requires several minutes from a competent picker, which lock would you choose? I know people who have lost pedal bikes from non destructive opening, so it can happen. This is less about telling someone what decision they should make and more about giving everyone as much info as possible so they can make an informed decision, which is 100% in the spirit of Chase's video, imo.
Could a lock maker integrate carbide pieces in the lock? like after cutting through steel with a grinder, you reach carbide and your grinding wheel blows up? If you've ever had to drill out a bolt with a broken carbide bit in it, you know how hard it is...
Had 2 of the alarm Boss's on my bike. They went through the disc on the front one but I figure they needed 1 brake to work to roll it off with the 4 bikes that turned up to nick it, so they had to cut both stanchions of the rear lock... which they did. Gone. If they want it they'll get it.
Best purpose of these type videos is for manufacturers to improve their products. Either weaknesses unknown to them or because potential customers will avoid their products when the info becomes public. Thieves are always working on their craft but consumers would be otherwise ignorant of these flaws so its all good.
One of my favorite bike guys around Been watching since your WR and R6 days. You had me hooked on the FZ since your first ride. I finally got a FZ and hopefully getting a WR soon. Used a lot of your tips for riding and safety. New favorite series here!
I wasnt impressed with the disc lock tests (only ones I watched). Thieves would prob use a chisel and a good hammer and insert between the disc and one side of the lock to split apart. That said, I parked my Grom in a multi storey car park recently and was surprised to find most other bikes parked were not locked. I used two alarmed disc locks (1x front, 1x back) plus a Litelock Core Moto. Safe to say I still have my Grom! Albeit carrying a heavy backpack though :(
Check out the Abus 8008. It's relatively large and heavy compared to other disk locks, but the bar that slides across also locks into the other side (so that you can't lever the lock apart with a chisel or bolt extractor).
Excellent work. Sometimes they will cut the brake rotor like a pizza slice. That is fast. Not much motorcycle theft outside of Dublin , Ireland. That said I use two disc locks and a chain at home in my garage. Way too much work for a lazy thief. To further discourage a thief I have it chained up to a half full propane cylinder. I wouldn't use power tools near propane?
It is my hope that most motorcycle thieves are as competent as you!🤣 Great video. Just might need to work on your thieving skills if you wish to quit your day job.
oc I just have basic locks for now, then I upgrade as soon as I can get past the junk in my garage blocking 4 of the 6 bikes I have. If you're a thief, you could always ask for the key or combo from the victim, I'm sure the owner is more than happy to oblige. It's easier than trying to cut those chains and cables off.
I have the Oxford HD mini, it’s the perfect size for the wheel spokes of my Yamaha Xmax with room for the chain as well, this means I can chain around something but the shackles is tight in to the wheel making it very very difficult to get in to it with an angle grinder !
Oc I’ve got the xena and a Stockton chain and lock to be honest I lock the rear wheel the front wheel and the frame up wish I could send a pick of the whole setup lol
This was my comment on a woodworking tools, but I think that owners of bikes can easily find similar places to mark things. - - - Thieves hate leaving traces, so any prevention should be around that topic ! For anyone that buys tools the 2 first things you need to buy is a good camera and second an engraver pen. When tools get used they tend to get scratches. These scratches can be seing as fingerprints so if you as a owner see there's a deep scratch then take photo. And as prevention take photos every 2 month so that each has an history of how it was used. The engraver pen(manual/electrical). Find places on your tools that you don't mind getting markings. Do some weird symbols or letters. The axel on the chuck, the trigger, where the batteries sits, the direction switch etc. If a tool is stolen then wait 1 to 3 month before revealing the markings. Just think about the panich when stolen AND sold tool can be traced back to you. The engraver pen(manual/electrical) can also be used with succes on the inside of a rim(bicycle/car). Depending on your skills with a pen you can engrave this : Landcode(UK=+044) //Then Police(101) //casenumber. This will create a trace from thieves to you without revealing any kind of personal information.
When you ask us to tell you where we think you started cutting at with the hack saw. At exactly 17:49 on the video. The spot where you were trying to cut is right below your thumb .
my only 2 negatives about your testing is 1) that the mulwalkee grinder you have is an old model that does not handle load very well and a non fuel version well chew through your battery's. 2) the hacksaw blade you have is pants but it makes no difference in this test at med level onwards
Mostly I like see somebody try to steal my bike because it very heavy pick up and have steering lock! My Piaggio dry weight 450lbs and I have a disc lock some times I use with alarm or u lock by value max! 🍻
Thank you so much for the review, very helpful 😊 i just got my first bike 125( yamaha nmax) i will make sure i get the right chain lock for it😊😊. I will go n hit the subscriber button 😊
I just ordered myself a oxford boss alarm disc lock for my moped as some lil shit tried to steal my moped today. Went at it with a angle grinder thank god they didnt get through my one disc lock I had but went through the supposed to be "great chain lock" I got with it when I bought it. Was fortunate to have a by stander to let us know someone was hiding my moped behind a tiny lil electricity house. Its a issue because my moped a Vento runner has really tiny wheels so the big chains doesnt fit eventhough I want to get a big old chain for it. So for now a disc lock and this oxford boss alarm will have to be enough.I hope.
A thief would have a much better position to apply the bolt croppers. bikes aren't usually stored 4 feet in the air. it the chains were on the ground (as they would be in a real scenario), you could of leveraged with your body and they would of gone straight through. rookie mistake.
You are assuming an alarm with do anything to deter a thief. It will not. They will cut the strongest and hardest locks in broad daylight on a busy street in front of hundreds of cars passing by without one person even stopping to see what they are up to. Moral of the story... Do not park your bike on a public street or in view of a passerby. FYI you are clearly not a thief. You took way too long. 😕
I can`t seem to add a picture but I had my bike stolen the the other night and it took secnd for my Kryptonite Disk Lock as they jut used a grinder to take out the pin - perhaps you should use this as a lot more would fail
Waste of time even watching this! This guy cannot even use an angle grinder. Cutting a lock at the angle ??? Disc locks are defeated by a simple cold chisel and hammer attacking the pin. Wasted my time watching .
Unlike a real thief you do just kinda give up when you dont see it budging and spend time to comment on it. But i appreciate the show of how rough itd be for some random noob to try and steal my bike as long as the lock part works.
love my moni moto gps tracker. Glad someone did this kind of destructive review. Having had a bike stolen myself, I know I wanted something to help prevent or at least make it so I can recover my bike quickly.
Great vid, but I think it would of been a good idea to place the wheel on the ground with the wheel chock, as that's the height it would be when they are robbing it lol I use a Xena Disklock myself, always wondered if it would be easier for a thief to cut/remove the disk brake or caliper instead?
Get a bolt extractor and wind it into the gap of the Xena. Watch the Xena flex and ultimately snap. This is why I use Abus 8008 locks on my bikes now (lost a Xena-secured bike to theft a few years ago).
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Living in London this is a pretty interesting perspective to see. Motorcycle/moped thieves are as common here as flies and they're way more aggressive, try to stop them and they'll just stab you and be on their way, with or without your bike
There’s no way they’d stab you. That’s illegal obviously. And they’d probably need a license right?
@@chrispewkreme 😂😂😂
What would you recommend for motorcycle security in London?
@@benmontgomery208 Litelok x1. its 150 quid but has the best security ive ever seen...
@@benmontgomery208 If it's a very valuable bike you cannot park it in public. Security car parks plus a chain to an anchor point is the best you can do without carrying a silly amount of locks.
If its a normal bike then you'll still need a chain, anchor point and very sturdy disk lock but you can park in a bay
The Litelock is genuinely good for out and about use but it shouldn't be your only security
I've had that Kryptonite Keeper chain for the better part of a decade. I lived in an apartment in the city and had my bike chained to the carport with it and it was great.
Thanks. Any marks of theft attempts?
The toughness of these chains don't mean jack if the lock itself is the weak.
Others to consider: OnGuard 8046 and Abus 8008.
I use one of each on my bikes when they're stored at home, and carry an OnGuard 8046 on the bike when I'm riding.
The Abus 8008 is worlds better than the rubbish Xena stuff (which can generally be broken open easily, especially by screwing a bolt extractor into it).
The Abus 8008 bar locks into the other side.
However, a GPS tracker is becoming a necessity - an experienced thief will look for one and remove it, but at least with geofencing you'll get an SMS when the bike moves from its location, and you can start the recovery process straight away (instead of finding out hours or days later that the bike is gone).
An Apple AirTag can also be useful, but pull it apart and remove the speaker first.
I'm going to end up with a GPS tracker and Apple AirTag on my bikes.
I'll make up a fake Power Commander label (or something like that) for the GPS unit.
Thank you Chase! I bought my first sport bike (23 zX6R) on Oct 2022, traded in my F700gs and was on cloud 9 until it was stolen from my apts 2 mo after I bought it. I thought the steering lock would be enough to prevent but I was wrong. The dumb a**** who stole my bike dropped their cell phone which was under my motorcycle cover they discarded on the ground. This happened in Aug 22. Here we are in Feb 2023 and cops have done nothing about it. Their answer was to just report it to the insurance co. What if I paid cash for that bike!? I f***** hate thieves
I had the “Pragmasis roundlock" on mine...... and they cut through the Brake disc to get it off! ..make sure you use a chain!
I heard stories in UK when someone had a bike stolen and he could actually locate the bike using GPS. They went to police station and they couldn't be bothered with that at all.
So it looks like you need to take justice in your own hands, go fully armed to recover your bike :D
I think it doesn't matter what tool you use to secure your bike, if they are determined to steal it they will find a way.
If you keep your bike in the garage, you need to make sure you have insurance in place, good enough security such as cctv and decent locks.
Even if your bike is stolen , with all the proof that you have, the insurance company has to pay you back.
However, I still wouldn't like to go trough the process knowing insurance companies will do everything not to pay a penny
ex uk cop here. That's bullshit and clearly 'a story'
Sorry mate…but that bit about the British Police couldn’t be bothered is b.s If you have a tracker, you wouldn’t need the Police. You just find out where your property is and take it back 😂
Like you said…”I heard stories…” says it all really lol
@@rustysutton I guess some folks do it by the book…wait for the police, fill out paperwork etc etc…some folks call their mates up and go round to where the bike is and take it back 🤷♂️
No need to cut the disc detainer lock when you can quickly take the front wheel off or cut through the brake disc.
So? Chain lock better ?
Just to clarify, don’t ever lock your bike using the front wheel. It’s easy to remove. Aim to run the lock through your frame, swingarm, stunt cage, etc.
Obviously the rear wheel can be removed too. But on a bike like the FZ-07, there’s a solid hole in the swingarm that removing the wheel does nothing for. If you’re going to chain your front wheel, chain it to the frame or the rear wheel. Think of locks as layers.
Park somewhere safe. Preferably indoors or well lit. Lock up the bike. Have multiple locks. Have a tracker. Ideally two forms of tracking.
Best of luck! Bike thieves are nearly impossible to stop to be honest.
I live in the uk and have a different more secure version of the big beasty Oxford lock I had a break in and attempted robbery yesterday, they couldn't get through the chain! They smashed the disc break alarm off no problem but the chain and floor anchor saved my bike! Out of spite they smashed my headlamp off and cut all my wires, but the bike is still there!
Wow… glad you still have your bike. Them people man..
@silverbackpauly4814 well the locks amazing issue is the one day I didn't put it on they had my bike 😂 they tried every day to take it but the lock saved it, and the one time I nip into the doctors for an emergency and forgot to put it on, it was taken within the first 2 minutes according to cctv, I arrived at the doctors at 2:15pm and the bike was taken at 2:17pm
There was a case near me (UK) a few years back where the scrotes actually busted through the wall of a concrete sectional garage to get at the bike/s.
disc lock is fine but i'd use one on the rear disc/tyre, not front, because on most bikes it's fairly easy to quickly remove/disconnect the brake caliper and the front wheel in a couple of minutes....
A disclock is only good for locking the bike shorter periods, like when you take the bike to shopping groceries.
It would be easier for a thief to just cut the disc then to remove the frontwheel or cut the lock.
In the garage i have a disclock in the front disc and a chain in the backwheel, you should always have multiple locks.
Dude, you're a super humble guy and produce very informative and entertaining content 👏
I appreciate that!
This would be a lot easier and a lot more accurate if it would on the floor.. where it would be if it were being stolen.
You'd be able to use gravity to your advantage, to use your feet to hold things in place, not putting your hands in harms way as much.
Putting it on a table like that is awkward positioning haha.
Thank you for doing these tests though! They are still helpful. :)
The wheel would be on the floor but not the locks/chains. On the street those would be attached to a pole or rack or something above the ground level. If you lock your bike up and leave your chain on the ground you're just asking someone to smash it. Too easy and not smart.
The only problem I've heard about with the Xena is that the alarm can be sensitive. Some people have said that right after installing, if it moves at all it'll trigger. May be a per use thing, but I kinda noticed it in the video while you were testing too. The only con, but the perks are better.
check Bikes & beards channel, it will take couple of seconds to cut XENA with sabre saw.
The reason such alarms over-respond is because they have no intelligence. Typically, they're just dumb electronics pre-set to a sensitivity level.
Put 2 gold or diamond grade U locks and chains on your front and back tires, an additional disc lock, and a throttle lock on your bike and they won't even THINK about dealing with all that! I also lock the cover down with 2 cheaper U locks and if they do decide to take on the job, I have 2 airtags and a gps tracker hidden on the bike as well....lmao! *OH yea, don't forget the alarm..lol*
How do you "lock the cover down"? Do they have grommets (in which case a u-lock would seem pointless)? By "cover", I'm assuming that you mean tarp-like covers.
I don't ride motorcycles; I'm interested in security. Thanks!
There is actually a way for them to be alerted to airtags on their iphone.
Kryptonites are notoriously easy to pick, and with chains they usually cut whatever you have the bike chained to, not the lock. Also check out Litelocks, they are made from a material which destroys grinder discs, takes 4-5 cutoff wheels and over 5min to get through one. But in the end none of it means shit, they will just cut the ground anchor, or use a crane to lift your bike into a truck, beat up trucks with bed cranes are a common sight in major cities and most of em are motorcycle thieves. And for bicycles, literally every meth head has an angle grinder
I used to have a Xena. It was so sensitive that a light rain would set it off. But with that being said, a thief was still able to steal my bike without a single sound from the alarm…Would make a great paperweight if you’re worried about someone stealing your paper though
How did that happen lol
Yeah, how did this happen? Did it not go off when someone moved the bike?
@@jackmosby The Xena locks are easy to break apart. A bike of mine was stolen a few years ago and the Xena lock was broken into two pieces easily. Absolute rubbish. Now I use an Abus 8008 on my bikes, as well as an OnGuard 8046.
@@jackmosby Such alarms use dumb electronics, instead of an on-board computer that spends its entire time on motion-analysis. As such, they are set to a specific sensitivity-level - either at the factory or by the user. Consequently, they either under-respond or over-respond. If you set them to be very sensitive, passing traffic might trigger them; if you reduce the sensitivity, then a sneaky attack/dismount might work.
A number of these locks, the weak link won't be brute force attacks, but the lock itself. If you watch someone like Lock Picking Lawyer, you'll see that a lot of these companies put a LOT of money and effort in protecting against cutting or hammering but cheap out badly on the lock mechanism, which can be picked or defeated in seconds using some simple tools. Not all are like that, but it pays to be aware that this is a problem, and even price isn't an indication of a good lock.
How many thieves are proficient in lock picking
@@shayslay3416 It only takes 1 for you to be out your bike or whatever you're locking up. Some sort of lock is better than none, and this issue doesn't somehow invalidate what Chase and crew did. It only points out that you can't do your homework and assume you're golden based on one set of criteria. Thieves have access to the same information we do. I think it's a bad assumption to assert that thieves are stupid and would have zero interest in developing skills that make their life easier.
@@shayslay3416 the ones that have balls to grab a 25k bike on your property knowing there dead if they make noise.
Statistics says that lockpicking is not an issue, even lockpicking lawyer says so.
@@vonmaceronetheheretic191 Quite true. Statistics also say that number isn't zero, so there is still risk. If you have two locks of similar price and one can be defeated in seconds with a wave rake or bypass tool while the other requires several minutes from a competent picker, which lock would you choose? I know people who have lost pedal bikes from non destructive opening, so it can happen. This is less about telling someone what decision they should make and more about giving everyone as much info as possible so they can make an informed decision, which is 100% in the spirit of Chase's video, imo.
Could a lock maker integrate carbide pieces in the lock? like after cutting through steel with a grinder, you reach carbide and your grinding wheel blows up?
If you've ever had to drill out a bolt with a broken carbide bit in it, you know how hard it is...
It would work but I feel like there would be laws about intentionally making a grinder disc explode. Might fall under the "booby trap" category
you should have tried the litelock or the hiplock! those are grinder-resistant! But they cost more in the range of 180$
Those were destroyed by LPL using cable cutters. Don't fall for the marketing hype without real world tests
Had 2 of the alarm Boss's on my bike. They went through the disc on the front one but I figure they needed 1 brake to work to roll it off with the 4 bikes that turned up to nick it, so they had to cut both stanchions of the rear lock... which they did. Gone. If they want it they'll get it.
I feel like this is a really good guideline for thieves to asses which bikes to steal depending on what locks they have in the video 😅
I was thinking the exact same thing
Best purpose of these type videos is for manufacturers to improve their products. Either weaknesses unknown to them or because potential customers will avoid their products when the info becomes public.
Thieves are always working on their craft but consumers would be otherwise ignorant of these flaws so its all good.
I own the Boss and am happy with it, I don't set it for the alarm to go off bea=cause here in NYC peeps just ignore it. Great video, thanks.
For all the disk locks, thieves will just cut through the brake disk and take the lock off that way.
decibels are logarithmic and every ten decibels is double the loudness. so 20 decibels louder means four times louder.
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Been watching since your WR and R6 days. You had me hooked on the FZ since your first ride. I finally got a FZ and hopefully getting a WR soon.
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Now you need to test bike trackers
Thieves use a much larger bolt cutter than those and will lever them off the ground.
Link?
It's hard to be inconspicuous with a longer bolt-cutter. Those metre-long cutters are for youtube videos, or actual work-sites.
Just bought the Oxford boss hope it stands up. Have a disc lock aswell.
3/8" Steel Cable around a telephone pole... 2 hardened steel master locks, steering column locked, moto 7 onboard, covered, and air tagged.
I wasnt impressed with the disc lock tests (only ones I watched). Thieves would prob use a chisel and a good hammer and insert between the disc and one side of the lock to split apart. That said, I parked my Grom in a multi storey car park recently and was surprised to find most other bikes parked were not locked. I used two alarmed disc locks (1x front, 1x back) plus a Litelock Core Moto. Safe to say I still have my Grom! Albeit carrying a heavy backpack though :(
Check out the Abus 8008. It's relatively large and heavy compared to other disk locks, but the bar that slides across also locks into the other side (so that you can't lever the lock apart with a chisel or bolt extractor).
Disc lock alone isn't enough to safe your bike, they can just bring a truck and load it in the bed if you don't have a chain around the frame
Thanks for this video. My question is ... with disc lock ... if you cut the disc brake instead... it will be faster no ?
The bike? Sure less weight!
Thanks I'm trying to buy my first bike and this will help a lot. Always prepare for the worst.
Excellent work. Sometimes they will cut the brake rotor like a pizza slice. That is fast. Not much motorcycle theft outside of Dublin , Ireland. That said I use two disc locks and a chain at home in my garage. Way too much work for a lazy thief.
To further discourage a thief I have it chained up to a half full propane cylinder. I wouldn't use power tools near propane?
I've seen the disc around the lock cut on a ducati. Interrupted theft.
You are the most uncoordinated guy I’ve ever watched. Chase! What the hell are you doing? Pull the cable away from the tire for stability.
Try this, completely new concept ABUS Granit VICTORY 68 X-Plus Roll Up
Very informative video. Made with passion and humour. I'd suggest multiple locks.
I like putting a 20 piece bucket of KFC under motorcycle cover that stalls most thieves for a while
It is my hope that most motorcycle thieves are as competent as you!🤣
Great video. Just might need to work on your thieving skills if you wish to quit your day job.
oc I just have basic locks for now, then I upgrade as soon as I can get past the junk in my garage blocking 4 of the 6 bikes I have.
If you're a thief, you could always ask for the key or combo from the victim, I'm sure the owner is more than happy to oblige. It's easier than trying to cut those chains and cables off.
Wow , simply superb, what a review !!! Thanks a ton.
For the disc locks I would suggest, using the angle grinder on the pin that goes through the disc, it would go in seconds
Just said the same as that what they did to mine the other night
@@virtualalan damn, I almost felt your pain reading that...
I have the Oxford HD mini, it’s the perfect size for the wheel spokes of my Yamaha Xmax with room for the chain as well, this means I can chain around something but the shackles is tight in to the wheel making it very very difficult to get in to it with an angle grinder !
Oc I’ve got the xena and a Stockton chain and lock to be honest I lock the rear wheel the front wheel and the frame up wish I could send a pick of the whole setup lol
The dB scale is logarithmic not linear so 120 Vs 100 is 4x louder or a 300% increase.
This was my comment on a woodworking tools, but I think that owners of bikes can easily find similar places to mark things.
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Thieves hate leaving traces, so any prevention should be around that topic !
For anyone that buys tools the 2 first things you need to buy is a good camera and second an engraver pen.
When tools get used they tend to get scratches. These scratches can be seing as fingerprints so if you as a owner see there's a deep scratch then take photo. And as prevention take photos every 2 month so that each has an history of how it was used.
The engraver pen(manual/electrical).
Find places on your tools that you don't mind getting markings. Do some weird symbols or letters. The axel on the chuck, the trigger, where the batteries sits, the direction switch etc.
If a tool is stolen then wait 1 to 3 month before revealing the markings. Just think about the panich when stolen AND sold tool can be traced back to you.
The engraver pen(manual/electrical) can also be used with succes on the inside of a rim(bicycle/car). Depending on your skills with a pen you can engrave this :
Landcode(UK=+044)
//Then Police(101)
//casenumber.
This will create a trace from thieves to you without revealing any kind of personal information.
When you ask us to tell you where we think you started cutting at with the hack saw.
At exactly 17:49 on the video.
The spot where you were trying to cut is right below your thumb .
I've had the oxford HD chain and lock for years and never has my bike been stolen not even a little bit
Nobody:
Thief: oh no the inside is spinning, Nooouuuuu
The silly fat guy bit is waaaaaay old Chase. First video I’ve watched in five years. I guess I understand why I left before. As you were Bro.
Thank you, bro
As a daily rider, I use 2 disc locks both are alarmed
I would recommend an alarmed disc lock on every disc because time is a thief's achilles heel
Imagine being disappointed that you can’t still the bike lol
On rotor locks, unscrew the rotor bolts and roll the bike away.
Here they cut the brake disk with an angle grinder or hack saw. Or use a Spiral Flute Bolt Extractorr to break the disk lock arch.
my only 2 negatives about your testing is 1) that the mulwalkee grinder you have is an old model that does not handle load very well and a non fuel version well chew through your battery's. 2) the hacksaw blade you have is pants but it makes no difference in this test at med level onwards
OC: Leroy Jenkins!
your hacksaw blade is in the wrong way!!!
In London thieves DGS about loud alarms... They cut the chain or lock at day light, surronded by a lot of people and no one cares.
Mostly I like see somebody try to steal my bike because it very heavy pick up and have steering lock! My Piaggio dry weight 450lbs and I have a disc lock some times I use with alarm or u lock by value max! 🍻
Buy an airtag or smarttag for bike tracking
Bro is dangerous with that angle grinder
I need a loud disc alarm for my ebike when go 15 minutes into a store for grocery. What do you recommend?
I recommend you never leave your E bike anywhere, no matter what lock you have.
I recommend mine! :-) But then I'm biased: I design & sell a bike alarm that can be heard from 100 meters.
Great. Now test tracking and notifying devices. I want a piece of the guy who does steal my bike.
How long to actually cut the disk it self and could you ride or wheel it away ?
I've got my ABUS 8077 I bet you'll go deaf before getting it off LOL
Thank you so much for the review, very helpful 😊 i just got my first bike 125( yamaha nmax) i will make sure i get the right chain lock for it😊😊. I will go n hit the subscriber button 😊
Did someone put the blade on that hacksaw backwards or are you using it backwards?
the xena with alarm seems really cool, but, damn it seems to go off way TOO easily. Like just random people walking in a parking lot will set it off.
Leaving the bike for long remove the air from the tyres.
I just ordered myself a oxford boss alarm disc lock for my moped as some lil shit tried to steal my moped today. Went at it with a angle grinder thank god they didnt get through my one disc lock I had but went through the supposed to be "great chain lock" I got with it when I bought it. Was fortunate to have a by stander to let us know someone was hiding my moped behind a tiny lil electricity house. Its a issue because my moped a Vento runner has really tiny wheels so the big chains doesnt fit eventhough I want to get a big old chain for it. So for now a disc lock and this oxford boss alarm will have to be enough.I hope.
How bout the wheelchair lift and a pickup. This is how a ton of bikes get picked up. No need to cut any locks.
Thank you for your help
On that third wire you say it’s “sold sans log”? What does that mean.
A thief would have a much better position to apply the bolt croppers. bikes aren't usually stored 4 feet in the air. it the chains were on the ground (as they would be in a real scenario), you could of leveraged with your body and they would of gone straight through. rookie mistake.
You are assuming an alarm with do anything to deter a thief. It will not. They will cut the strongest and hardest locks in broad daylight on a busy street in front of hundreds of cars passing by without one person even stopping to see what they are up to. Moral of the story... Do not park your bike on a public street or in view of a passerby. FYI you are clearly not a thief. You took way too long. 😕
Please wear gloves bro we don’t want you to get hurt
I can`t seem to add a picture but I had my bike stolen the the other night and it took secnd for my Kryptonite Disk Lock as they jut used a grinder to take out the pin - perhaps you should use this as a lot more would fail
This is very helpful.
Need a Thief deterrent? AK 47
Because standing guard at all times with an AK is definitely a thing people have time for.
Rub dog crap on seat and handle grips
Thieves also use locksmith tools so they’re not getting attention of others because they’re not making unnecessary noises.
Yeah, if I'm a theif watching this video I'm CERTAINLY looking for these brands for the sake of my health..lmao!
Great video very helpful
Waste of time even watching this! This guy cannot even use an angle grinder. Cutting a lock at the angle ??? Disc locks are defeated by a simple cold chisel and hammer attacking the pin. Wasted my time watching .
That sweet sweet 600 in the background teasing us making us wants its
FROM WHERE CAN I BUY THIS ITEMS
Unlike a real thief you do just kinda give up when you dont see it budging and spend time to comment on it. But i appreciate the show of how rough itd be for some random noob to try and steal my bike as long as the lock part works.
If the thieves are adapt as him we have nothing to be worried about.
Put a picture of nancy pelosi on the fuel tank
You need some practice with a angle grinder. I was afraid you were going to cut your wrist.zs
Why doesn’t an indestructible chain exist?
What about the LITELOK X1 MOTO or the LITELOK X3 MOTO.
love my moni moto gps tracker. Glad someone did this kind of destructive review. Having had a bike stolen myself, I know I wanted something to help prevent or at least make it so I can recover my bike quickly.
With the disc locks, yeah the locks are tough but, why not just cut the disc?
most career thieves use angle grinders, less than a minute
@26:00 what if someone decides to cut the brake rotor in two places? Well a hacksaw or angle grinder go through that??
Yep & very quickly... happened on one of my 2 locks they cut off.
Two of my guy got their motorcycle stolen. Since I want to buy a motorcycle I want to get best ever lock even if it’s the most expensive
Great vid, but I think it would of been a good idea to place the wheel on the ground with the wheel chock, as that's the height it would be when they are robbing it lol I use a Xena Disklock myself, always wondered if it would be easier for a thief to cut/remove the disk brake or caliper instead?
then you would need to buy one
Get a bolt extractor and wind it into the gap of the Xena. Watch the Xena flex and ultimately snap. This is why I use Abus 8008 locks on my bikes now (lost a Xena-secured bike to theft a few years ago).