I'm a cop. One day we had a guest Bishop for a friday night service. I just got off a 12 hour shift (7am -7pm). I handled a last minute complaint that pushed me to getting off at 7:15pm. FYI, I've got to be back to work at 7am the next day... I Changed my clothes and got to church around 7:40 for a 7:30pm service. Made it just in time for one last P&W song. When the Bishop got up to preach I slid off the organ because my wife brought me dinner and had it in the car. I usually never get off the organ when a Pastor is preaching because of stereotypes. I didn't get to eat all day because it was a busy day. I was exhausted and tired. As I was eating in the car the guest Bishop started preaching on me. I started getting text messages like crazy. This dude stereotyped me into what he thought a typical musician was. He stated that I was arogant because of my talent. Accused me of thinking that service will start when I arrive. He accused me of leaving when the word is being preached because I don't neccesarily need or want to hear the word. Nothing could of been further from the truth. I have to give props to my Bishop! After the guest Bishop said what he said, ended his serman and had altercall, my Bishop followed up on his statement. He stated prior to closing the service that he's been around a lot of different musicians , but what was described tonight is not what we have. I consider him a son. Talented, Dedicated, committed, faithful, and humble. As he said it, the members of the church stood and clapped. You got to be carefull! Stop judging folks from your perception. I pressed my way to make it to church to deal with a Bishop who was sooooo off base. If God didn't tellya to say it, don't say it. This happens all the time. Stop IT!!!
Crazy story bro! I know of many musicians that something very similar to this has happened to. Sorry you had to go through that! It definitely needs to stop!!
As a pianist, and a past church musician, I highly concur with everything you have mentioned in this video. Thanks for speaking up for church musician!!
Absolutely! Some of them feel that they are in competition with the music department. It’s worse when you try to do everything the right way. It’s their way of flexing their muscle and show that they are the big dogs. These are the same ones that preach the law because it affirms their positions as authority figures. They shy away from preaching Jesus because it takes the stones from their hands that they use to stone the inferior folks with! Wake up!
I walked out of the church service after the pastor consistently taunted the drummer and the bass player. I talked to the drummer and the bass player after the pastor embarrassed them several times in service while playing. I was the Minister of Music and handled thebsituation. The problem was fixed (there really was no problem). The drummer and bass player was weight lifters and their body was amazing but they dressed very well. THIS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MUSIC. But the pastor told the bass player to stop playing and told the drummer he does tooooo much and to calm down. Look, this was an old ugly, out of shape, verb splitting pastor who could not get the same attention from the women as the drummer and the bass player. 😳 The pastor did it again..... I got up and left and refused his phones, and his check. I began playing for another church the next Sunday.
Thank you for this video, sir! I've been in music ministry for over 40 years, and God has blessed me to have served under good pastors., but I've seen it happen to so many too many times. The first and ONLY time it ever happened to me (and I admit I had to repent) was many years ago when I helped out a friend at his church. He couldn't be there for one of the church's revival nights, so he asked if I would come and lead the band. We accompanied a choir who didn't have a musician. The choir sang, the Spirit fell, and all the guest minister had to do was preach. Instead, he decided he had to come behind the choir and sing a song. He was not a singer, and he jumped to five different keys within the song. Needless to say, the Spirit left quickly. When the song didn't go over the way he wanted, he looked at me and said, "Pray for the musician. I know you were trying." After the shock wore off, I couldn't even enjoy the rest of the service. When he started tuning up at the end of his sermon, he overshot and ended up in B-flat when he should have been no higher than F. The band was locked in with me. I told them to stay in B-flat. By the time preacher man was done, he looked like he had done ten rounds with Tyson. I found out later that he said to the pastor, "I guess I ticked off your organist." The pastor replied, "Man, you should've just preached. He's one of the best musicians in the area, and you didn't do yourself any favors by shading him." Like I said, I prayed for forgiveness, and as a seasoned musician, I wouldn't do that now, but people need to stay in their lane.
Bro and that's how I know your talent without hearing a great musician figures you voicing very quickly and know when your reaching and how to bring u back down. So your not fighting Tyson in his prime. I'm not God. But that is pure kindness for such a statement made publicly by a pastor... B-flat is an amazing key so is b natural lol. Some of these pastors be singing between keys or one round their in g a minute later c than C# than will end up in A flat and your like doc what you doing😅.
Imagine having to play for somebody like that every Sunday! He'd get up and start off in one key and the congregation would always try to help him but he'd jump keys and id try to follow him on the organ, but at that point the congregation stayed in the original key, he in another and choir in yet another key all trying help his no singing arrogant self! it was a mess like that at least twice a month! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Not necessarily stay in their lane but KNOW that the HOLY SPIRIT IS INTELLIGENT and we need to be obedient to HIM, not our intentions. After reading your post I believe the preacher KNEW what he was doing but CHOSE to disobey the HOLY SPIRIT, AND HE GOT WHAT HE ORDERED......INTERESTING STORY tho.
A pastor did that to me once I embarrassed him in his church service after the first service I got my pay and I never went back to that church!!! I'm a very skilled musician and I taught voice at 3 Universities. I didn't need him he pretty much begged me to play and teach at his church. He kept calling me to come back I BLOCKED him!!!
Interesting........I'll say that it's THE LORD'S HOUSE and we should be careful HOW we deal with Pastors. NOT justifying anything, but I am saying this is GODS BUSINESS and we must trust GOD to handle it.
@frederickweeksjr.1189 I agree I also believe that pastors should be careful HOW they deal with God's people. The Bible states what you do to the least one you have also done to me. There are a lot of pastors that abuse their authority to make them feel higher than God's people and there are some Pastor's that will be little you! I have been in the church for over 60 years and I have seen a lot.
@terencebrown3804 me too as well but have NO BUSINESS rebuking GOD'S leaders.....whether you agree or not. Read Apostle Paul's letter to Timothy rebuke of elders. There's a WAY to address.......AND yes,I've been in the body of Christ a long time so I get your point.
I’m so happy someone is talking about this! Like whoa!! I was always shamed as a youth group worship leader & the people in charge would joke about having to keep my ego in check.😅 If I showed up late they’d be like “oh here comes the rockstar” ( never mind I was a young single mom spending most of my time volunteering for them & not getting paid, while not being able to pay my bills) I ended up leaving and playing gigs full time.
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I didn’t like when the pastor started sitting in on choir rehearsal yet he wasn’t a singer but would always end up controlling the rehearsal. Not sure if it was because his wife attended the rehearsals and was apart of the choir ! It was kinda annoying because he didn’t know music , to me it’s too controlling.
This video is SO relevant for today. Musicians in time past may have tolerated this toxic behavior, but TODAY, we not taking it no more. It does not make sense for people to mistreat others who are enhancing the ministry in ANY capacity.
I agree with everything in this video that was said. My Dad is a Pastor and he publicly embarrassed a musician from another church and I disagree with that. He hurt her feelings so bad. That Church never came back. Some of these Pastors are out of order.
I am so blessed to have not had to deal with any of this in my praise band/weekly church gig. They also have 0 problem with me playing secular gigs and earning $ elsewhere as a musician. They hugely appreciate me and make every time I'm there a wonderful experience. Praise the Lord!
My favorite video of yours yet. I worked in a fairly formal church, public shaming never happened on my watch, the only shame was what they paid me. I asked for a raise, got PRIVATELY shamed, like I was some greedy POS or something and that day I left. Now they have a new pastor,, they want me back for double, but I don't think I could stand the way that church has devolved in the ensuing years, both spiritually and musically.
More people need to talk about this. It's been going on for too long. (This is a large part of why I'm no longer a church musician btw.) Great job on this video.
I Also Enjoyed Your Video About Some Churches Not Wanting to Pay Musicians . You Told the Truth Too About That Issue . I've Got Nearly 49 years in , playing for a Whole Lot of Churches, So Yes, Some Will Use You. These Days, You Have to Set Your Rate , or Just Don't Be Bothered. We can't go to a Music Store to buy an instrument or some type of accessory, And tell the cashier " I play for a church" and Get What we Need for free. " Nooooo"! We have to pay and pay full price + tax! We Don't Get a Discount Neither, As A Church Musician!! This is why a lot of Churches are losing musicians, cause we get fed up! No Respect Given to Us , as Human Beings, and Low to No Pay, as Seasoned, Devoted Musicians !
OooooWeeeee Brother. You Hit the nail on the head!! That's 1 of multiple reasons why I have left some churchs, because of their big-headed, egotistical, "think they are God Almighty" Pastors that Don't Have RESPECT for their Musician. Even my current church, the Pastor want to flip the script and put the blame on me, AFTER I Did What He Asked Me To Do, that Is NOT In my contract. I went beyond call of duty, but You Can't Please Nobody & Everybody, at the same time!! So I'll Bail, Cause I Personally Don't Like Chaos in God's House of Worship!! 👋 Preach The Truth, Brother, Preach!! 🔥 Committed Musician(s) are Very Emotional People, & Very Spiritual When Chosen By God our father, Jesus his son, And the Annoying of the Holy Ghost!! AMEN, AMEN, AMEN. So Pastors Give Us Our Respect, as We Respect You
Thhaaaannnkkk You Brother. Tell The Truth Cause I Definitely Agree Cause I Has That Done To Me Many Times. I Have Left Churches Before For the Pastor Disrespecting Me In Front of A FULL Audience! I Am A Grown Adult & Not A Child and I Will Leave Your Church , Cause That Is Humiliating!!
Great video sir. I am fortunate to have served under a very wise Bishop who allowed me to grow under his tutelage. He never micromanaged but asked me to pray and ask God which direction he wanted me to take the music department. As wise and educated as he was, he always empowered the little man until they reached their full potential. The problem came when I went other places and other leaders wanted to flex their muscle. I wasn’t used to that because my leader wasn’t that type of person. One time I was at a church and the leader started ranting about these musicians being loud and making too much noise. I politely held up my amp cord and power switch to let this boisterous person know I wasn’t even plugged in and it was the organ player which was laughing because he knew it wasn’t me. After all of that, they still didn’t apologize. Thank God for wisdom!
Not a musician, but did volunteer for several years doing lights and sound. In all of churches I attended (different military duty stations), only paid staff was pastoral staff, office staff, maybe music leader and maybe janitorial person. Everyone else was a volunteer: musicians, choir, production team, teachers, and babysitters. Also, about musician and choir walking out, in a couple of churches, ran two morning services. Musicians and choir would be at first service, stay for remainder of service and leave after completing music part of second service.
For the music to be right, the musicians have to get there hours before the service begins: wsrming up muscles in the voice (and rest of the body, for the instrumentalists), sound checking, tuning, rehearsing. That would mean their body's needs would be on a different schedule than everybody who went straight from their house to the church. When would those musicians get to the bathroom? Most churches ban drinks in the sanctuary; how will the singers get water for their throats? If the guitarist breaks a string, horn player has a problem with a pad, cork, valve, reed or mouthpiece, when would he be able to address it? Also, If there is a change in song order,nor a problem with the arrangement, the leader needs a space of time to address it. To deny or ignore those things is to kill the worship service, by killing musician DESIRE to participate in the worship services (at least, at *THAT* church).
I'm so glad you mentioned that some pastors come in 5 minutes before PnW ends...people model the behavior of their leaders. If you don't care why should they?
Many do that because the poor music is a distraction- in my church, that’s exactly what the pastor told me. But OTOH, he expects others to endure it lol
I am loving this! Facts Bro! Pastors have gotten used to being worshiped, and they become consumed by the power they have over the folks that worship them. The truth is that most of these churches would be empty without the musicians.
Great video! Very well said. I pastor a small church where we do congregational singing because we do not have a musician at this time. Churches that have musicians, choirs and praise teams are truly blessed. They should be shown kindness, love and respect. They are a blessing to the Saints. 🙏🏿
You’re right on point bro. I was playing drums at this church a few years back and the pastor kicked his own cousin out of the choir before they got ready to sing. I wasn’t a member of the church but I asked for a raise and he got mad when I told him I wasn’t fixing to pay tithes. I never went back to that church after that last Sunday. I found out later from some of his members that he wanted me to come back. These preachers basically think they are Yaweh now.
Brother I agree with u 100%!!! I wish a preacher would come at me like that it will be his last time!!! And these are the things that has to be discussed when you meet before u agree to play for the church what u will or will not stand for… And I tell them all the time you need talk to me about anything let’s talk in a meeting, and church musicians always have a back a plan because a lot of u allow this to happen to you because this is your only means of income, but have u a back up job just in case I have to check a Pastor for his behavior before he tries to fire u!!! I now require a musician contract with the church not the pastor…. Need info on how to do that I believe brother Terence can help I with that as well…. Great content my brother keep it going
That happened to a worship band i was in. The pastor thought it was funny. He legitimized abuse of band members in the church. I WAS SO HAPPY TO GET OUT OF THAT CHURCH! I couldn't get out of there fast enough.
Thank you for calling these kind of things out! I’ve seen so many pastors that are clearly pastors to hustle for money and have enormous unchecked egos. They devalue musicians and complain about paying us but if we all walked out, and refused to play you wouldn’t have a church. Unless you’re one of them old school don’t believe in instrument churches which are rare these days. Plus they tend to act like they own you, and be taking your whole Sunday in some Cases cause the service is so long or has multiple services. I ended up moving back home to Vermont and up here paying musicians in churches is completely unheard of. I do not miss playing for churches at all. I’d rather put that time towards thing I want to do. Primarily my own music.
My husband (church bass player of 50 + years along with secular projects) and I were having brunch with our new church pastor. Our appetite was ruined when this pastor criticized our worship leader and told us that she was going to be removed. Our worship leader is a 4 year degree graduate (instrumental and vocal) of a well recognized music program in the Toronto area and she is now studying Theology. When we observed the total lack of confidentiality with respect to personnel matters along with the pastor's mysoginst attitudes, a good number of the worship team, the leadership team and the congregation made use of the exit door. Many of these people are now at the same new church, serving and thriving. I am not the musician in the family Terence, but I love your videos and I shared your ideas with my husband. Praying for you.
I am a classical pianist in the academic world, so was completely ignorant about the world of contemporary church musicians. These videos have been greatly enlightening to me. I have learned that these church musicians are professional musicians who deserve respect. They are not there to praise God or insure their own personal salvation. This level of musician does not do charity work or busk for spare coin. They are there to perform the service they were hired and paid to do. End of story!
thank you for saying what so many of us have been thinking for so many years. I personally know at least 5-6 musicians who have left the ministry behind this kind of bad behaviour from. church leadership!!
So sorry,but dont give up. You were called for His Glory. He will make room for your gift. I have been right where you are just pray and trust God for the victory.
I’ve experienced the same and just brushed it off but when it happened again I was ready to fight after church. But thanks for touching on this topic because as I have gotten older I have matured in my musicianship and I do exactly what you said . I would respectfully cut the organ/ keyboard off , get up and leave. The things that some of these preachers do are disrespectful and in called for.
I agree with you, and that is: Treat musicians with dignity and respect. They are human, they are people, and so they have feelings too. Just because they can play an instrument very well, does not mean they are an object, no human feelings, like, an instrument and you can disrespect them.
I'm so glad I go to a small church and I'm volunteering as the guitar player none of us are payed , and none of this drama ever happens and we are far from perfect, myself especially.
It's not just musicians that need to speak out against this, it is every member of the church. Hold the person responsible and if it continues, move on. I would be willing to bet that any preacher that is doing this has other issues as well.
Thanks for this. I grew up playing in church, I've been playing for over 20 years and what you are saying is spot on. Many pastors and ministers are simply arrogant with a delusion that they are entitled. In Brooklyn this happened in a huge service and I walked out right after the song was done. It was the beginning of the service. I didn't care for the money, they could keep that.
BROTHER YOU IS RIGHT ON THE BUTTON 100% for many many years me and my brother been playing for churches years i have had the same disrespeck for many years as well i've had pastors falesly rebuking me for no reason just to make the pepole happy i've been treated so badly even by the saints i remember when everybody was geting in the flow of the spirit it was a visiting pastor me and my brother was playing behind him he turned around and said quite i don't need that and rebuke me and my brother falesly for no reason and he said whacth me holler like rev C.L FRANKLIN !!!!!!!! thanks terence for speaking up againts these fake churches!!!
This is sad,.. God is cleaning house. He says that judgement begins in the church. Arrogance. And pride. I'm a musician. I've not served under arrogant and disrespectful pastors or leadership. I had no idea this was taking place. Thank you brother for sounding the alarm. Maybe now pastors and worship leaders a like... who get foo full of themselves will take note. All is being exposed.
I always find it interesting how pastors get mad at us for walking out when they get up to preach... but they don't even come in until AFTER praise & worship.
I just subscribed to your channel. I am a musician and I have played in a worship band. Left a church two weeks ago because NOBODY is gonna disrespect me. Furthermore if any new situation happens, if I am disrespected by anyone especially any pastor I will deal with them the same way they deal with me. Disrespect me and I will return the favor.Pastors are sinners just like you and I. In many instances they have nasty secrets that we don’t know about. I am so glad I never let that man put his hand on my head. I agree with you a million percent. Musicians need to stretch after playing. Go outside for a few minutes and relax and drink water and even talk to someone outside and crack a joke if necessary. If you are a freelancer then you came to work and not to be preached to. I am a baptized believer but I am fed up of some of these people who like to do spiritual bullying.
Hey Yo I grew up in church and I totally agree what you’re saying. Everybody’s not anointed and you don’t know what they struggling with for them to be land they hands Aka their problems they issues that spirit on you
I was in a church when the pastor who was playing guitar all of a sudden tells the organ player to play the song in a different key. All he had to do was move his capo. She struggled through it and did a pretty good job. After the service we went up to him and tried to explain how hard it is to transpose on the spot like that. I said suppose someone came up to you and said play the song in E flat? He said I don't want to talk about it. She left the church.
I thought leaving during the service was in bad taste, until I actually played some services. That time is really useful to get together, get on the same page, discuss changes and adjustments, make corrections, freshen up and use the bathroom.
One of the universal foundations of leadership, whether it is in the family, the church, the NBA, or business: "Praise publicly, express corrections privately." Take them aside after the service, clarify your expectations, and come to a mutual understanding one on one.
I play trumpet alone for free in church, mostly as community service, but also to learn the instrument better. There is quite a bit of abuse and trumpet being trumpet everyone will hear/feel when you are touched. Sometimes I would walk out, which is quite rare since I play minimal or just stop playing. I would always go back though as the pastor appreciates and is not that kind, while he is also the leader.
I agree that no one who is faithful and willing to do and be the best musician that GOD has BLESSED them to be should at (NO TIME AT ALL) when serving the LORD with their GOD GIVEN GIFTS!!! should ever have to go through hell with a cocky member or pastor to do their job. I WILL NOT STAND FOR IT EVER AGAIN. THE GOD I SERVE IS MY PROVIDER , NOT THE CHURCH. MY GIFTS COME FROM THE LORD and NOT man !!! GOD IS MY PROVIDER. 🙏❤️AMEN!!!🙏
A lesson I recently learned, when someone tries to call you out publicly and perhaps disrespect you, respond by saying "I (or we) really need to hear that again." In the case of a church, the pastor will likely interpret that as you and/or other's agreed and need to really hear the message to reinforce it and will not feel threatened, and happily restate the offensive rebuke. Then, while never taking your gaze off the other's face, loud enough for all to hear and without expression, ask "Was that intended to embarrass me?" or "Did you intend for that to hurt me?" Regardless of their answer, simply continue your gaze and say nothing. Not a soul in the room won't be able to pick up on why the offender is totally wrong, and that you are being the better person. Observers will probably instantly consider you to more the intellectually superior person as well. Remember, you are NOT being vindictive or insulting, rather you are showing others why the offender is embarrassing themself. I would feel free to do this under the spotlight in front of the whole diocese. I play music for enjoyment and not money so I can get away with that. If you're getting paid, decide how bad you need the gig. Nothing but love if the threat of losing money from the gig keeps you silent, I know how it is, I used to play for pay too.
Bro thank you this was Needed every word you saying is 100 it needs to stop it’s hurting a lot of our brothers and sistersmusicians sometimes I didn’teven seen Pastors do it to thear on family as well. And you got me rolling the way you saying it. It is funny as well but so real.😂😂😂 God bless them in the name of Jesus to get it right and you wonder why brothers and sisters don’t wanna play anymore from being hurt🙏blessings bro
this happens in a most musical circles...if another person (musician) is willing to embarrass or dis-respect you in a live setting, don't work with that person ever again...
When the saved get to heaven, the first ministry that's going to go is the pastor. Why? Because pastors and preachers won't be needed anymore. Besides that, musicians are not obligated in anyway to give their talents, time, musicianship, determination or dedication to anyone. God doesn't need any of us. Keep preaching the truth bro Terrence.
One thing that needs to be made clear to Pastors and members of the congregation especially to the members of the congregation that there is no secret pages of the Bible nor is there a page that folds out only for preachers to know and learn that separates them from what anyone else can know biblically. you can tell if they fail at teaching Gods word by simply seeing how they use their position of authority against those in the congregation. they don't want to show the congregation how to check it out in God's for themselves! they want them to be 100 percent reliant on the leadership of the church to tell them how the Bible says it so they can keep squeezing for tithes and offerings. THIS is why I'm glad judgement starts at the pulpit! Judgment starts with those who falsely taught Gods word for fleshly gains and it's going to happen before Hitler or polpot or mao and Stalin they committed atrocious things....but they didn't do it claiming to be a sent messenger of Jesus Christ
I am in total agreement. Everyone who's faithfully serving in church deserves to be respected as a human being. As a soundman I must add that we catch some of the same hell as well. Never mind that some people can't hold a tune in a locked briefcase and cant sing their way out of a plastic bag but we get blamed for their poor sound. Of course, we get it from preachers too. I must say that for some of these pastors or preachers who make it a point to "call people out" or publicly humiliate or embarrass someone in front of the congregation during worship, because of ego, pride, and arrogance just remember God sees, hears, and is watching. Proverbs clearly states that pride and arrogance come before destruction. Also, I'll add that for any megachurch pastor who does such stuff, I wonder if you did that when your church was smaller or just starting up? I bet not because you were probably more humble, approachable, and more friendly towards people, now that your congregation has grown to 2000+ and you have a big security ministry to guard you so now you can fire off on folks any kind of nasty way you feel just because you can. That only tells long time members and others who and what you truly are, a Coward.
I've been playing in church for looowng time and have thankfully never seen anything like this. BUT I do know two guys, a keys/organist in southwest OH and and bassist in southeast KY who DID have this happen to them. Both were from "big name" ministers. Is this more common in certain circles?
i saw a video where a lady preacher scolded a musician because of the “jazz chords”……all condescending and imo mean spirited. I would have had some choice words for her. You are right, those titles get to their heads.
I'm a cop. One day we had a guest Bishop for a friday night service. I just got off a 12 hour shift (7am -7pm). I handled a last minute complaint that pushed me to getting off at 7:15pm. FYI, I've got to be back to work at 7am the next day...
I Changed my clothes and got to church around 7:40 for a 7:30pm service. Made it just in time for one last P&W song. When the Bishop got up to preach I slid off the organ because my wife brought me dinner and had it in the car. I usually never get off the organ when a Pastor is preaching because of stereotypes. I didn't get to eat all day because it was a busy day. I was exhausted and tired. As I was eating in the car the guest Bishop started preaching on me. I started getting text messages like crazy.
This dude stereotyped me into what he thought a typical musician was. He stated that I was arogant because of my talent. Accused me of thinking that service will start when I arrive. He accused me of leaving when the word is being preached because I don't neccesarily need or want to hear the word. Nothing could of been further from the truth.
I have to give props to my Bishop! After the guest Bishop said what he said, ended his serman and had altercall, my Bishop followed up on his statement. He stated prior to closing the service that he's been around a lot of different musicians , but what was described tonight is not what we have. I consider him a son. Talented, Dedicated, committed, faithful, and humble. As he said it, the members of the church stood and clapped. You got to be carefull! Stop judging folks from your perception. I pressed my way to make it to church to deal with a Bishop who was sooooo off base. If God didn't tellya to say it, don't say it. This happens all the time. Stop IT!!!
Crazy story bro! I know of many musicians that something very similar to this has happened to. Sorry you had to go through that! It definitely needs to stop!!
You should have showed that guest minister your badge
As a pianist, and a past church musician, I highly concur with everything you have mentioned in this video. Thanks for speaking up for church musician!!
Pastors do that when they become jealous of the music ministry. 😂
Absolutely! Some of them feel that they are in competition with the music department. It’s worse when you try to do everything the right way. It’s their way of flexing their muscle and show that they are the big dogs. These are the same ones that preach the law because it affirms their positions as authority figures. They shy away from preaching Jesus because it takes the stones from their hands that they use to stone the inferior folks with! Wake up!
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I walked out of the church service after the pastor consistently taunted the drummer and the bass player. I talked to the drummer and the bass player after the pastor embarrassed them several times in service while playing. I was the Minister of Music and handled thebsituation. The problem was fixed (there really was no problem). The drummer and bass player was weight lifters and their body was amazing but they dressed very well. THIS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MUSIC. But the pastor told the bass player to stop playing and told the drummer he does tooooo much and to calm down.
Look, this was an old ugly, out of shape, verb splitting pastor who could not get the same attention from the women as the drummer and the bass player. 😳
The pastor did it again..... I got up and left and refused his phones, and his check. I began playing for another church the next Sunday.
Thank you for this video, sir! I've been in music ministry for over 40 years, and God has blessed me to have served under good pastors., but I've seen it happen to so many too many times. The first and ONLY time it ever happened to me (and I admit I had to repent) was many years ago when I helped out a friend at his church. He couldn't be there for one of the church's revival nights, so he asked if I would come and lead the band. We accompanied a choir who didn't have a musician. The choir sang, the Spirit fell, and all the guest minister had to do was preach. Instead, he decided he had to come behind the choir and sing a song. He was not a singer, and he jumped to five different keys within the song. Needless to say, the Spirit left quickly. When the song didn't go over the way he wanted, he looked at me and said, "Pray for the musician. I know you were trying." After the shock wore off, I couldn't even enjoy the rest of the service. When he started tuning up at the end of his sermon, he overshot and ended up in B-flat when he should have been no higher than F. The band was locked in with me. I told them to stay in B-flat. By the time preacher man was done, he looked like he had done ten rounds with Tyson. I found out later that he said to the pastor, "I guess I ticked off your organist." The pastor replied, "Man, you should've just preached. He's one of the best musicians in the area, and you didn't do yourself any favors by shading him." Like I said, I prayed for forgiveness, and as a seasoned musician, I wouldn't do that now, but people need to stay in their lane.
Bro and that's how I know your talent without hearing a great musician figures you voicing very quickly and know when your reaching and how to bring u back down. So your not fighting Tyson in his prime. I'm not God. But that is pure kindness for such a statement made publicly by a pastor... B-flat is an amazing key so is b natural lol. Some of these pastors be singing between keys or one round their in g a minute later c than C# than will end up in A flat and your like doc what you doing😅.
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Imagine having to play for somebody like that every Sunday! He'd get up and start off in one key and the congregation would always try to help him but he'd jump keys and id try to follow him on the organ, but at that point the congregation stayed in the original key, he in another and choir in yet another key all trying help his no singing arrogant self! it was a mess like that at least twice a month! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Not necessarily stay in their lane but KNOW that the HOLY SPIRIT IS INTELLIGENT and we need to be obedient to HIM, not our intentions. After reading your post I believe the preacher KNEW what he was doing but CHOSE to disobey the HOLY SPIRIT, AND HE GOT WHAT HE ORDERED......INTERESTING STORY tho.
A pastor did that to me once I embarrassed him in his church service after the first service I got my pay and I never went back to that church!!! I'm a very skilled musician and I taught voice at 3 Universities. I didn't need him he pretty much begged me to play and teach at his church. He kept calling me to come back I BLOCKED him!!!
Interesting........I'll say that it's THE LORD'S HOUSE and we should be careful HOW we deal with Pastors. NOT justifying anything, but I am saying this is GODS BUSINESS and we must trust GOD to handle it.
@frederickweeksjr.1189 I agree I also believe that pastors should be careful HOW they deal with God's people. The Bible states what you do to the least one you have also done to me. There are a lot of pastors that abuse their authority to make them feel higher than God's people and there are some Pastor's that will be little you! I have been in the church for over 60 years and I have seen a lot.
@terencebrown3804 me too as well but have NO BUSINESS rebuking GOD'S leaders.....whether you agree or not. Read Apostle Paul's letter to Timothy rebuke of elders. There's a WAY to address.......AND yes,I've been in the body of Christ a long time so I get your point.
@@frederickweeksjr.1189The Lords house is NOT made by mans hands. Read The Bible fr... Study for yourself😊
I’m so happy someone is talking about this! Like whoa!! I was always shamed as a youth group worship leader & the people in charge would joke about having to keep my ego in check.😅 If I showed up late they’d be like “oh here comes the rockstar” ( never mind I was a young single mom spending most of my time volunteering for them & not getting paid, while not being able to pay my bills) I ended up leaving and playing gigs full time.
i bet my sweet, if you go back, adhere for 1 year, youll do better than you are doing now, though yes you are doing well still... prove me wrong i double dare you.
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I didn’t like when the pastor started sitting in on choir rehearsal yet he wasn’t a singer but would always end up controlling the rehearsal. Not sure if it was because his wife attended the rehearsals and was apart of the choir ! It was kinda annoying because he didn’t know music , to me it’s too controlling.
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Church Busybody toward random strangers. Cool job, or should I say, cool calling?
This video is SO relevant for today. Musicians in time past may have tolerated this toxic behavior, but TODAY, we not taking it no more.
It does not make sense for people to mistreat others who are enhancing the ministry in ANY capacity.
Stunned that people do this and that the musicians dont just walk right off that stage.
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I've experienced this several times! I agree with this 100% enough is enough!!
If your pastor does this, walk out immediately!
If there’s one thing I don’t tolerate under no circumstances is church abuse, and that’s real talk
i know that’s right
I agree with everything in this video that was said. My Dad is a Pastor and he publicly embarrassed a musician from another church and I disagree with that. He hurt her feelings so bad. That Church never came back. Some of these Pastors are out of order.
I am so blessed to have not had to deal with any of this in my praise band/weekly church gig. They also have 0 problem with me playing secular gigs and earning $ elsewhere as a musician. They hugely appreciate me and make every time I'm there a wonderful experience. Praise the Lord!
My favorite video of yours yet. I worked in a fairly formal church, public shaming never happened on my watch, the only shame was what they paid me. I asked for a raise, got PRIVATELY shamed, like I was some greedy POS or something and that day I left. Now they have a new pastor,, they want me back for double, but I don't think I could stand the way that church has devolved in the ensuing years, both spiritually and musically.
More people need to talk about this. It's been going on for too long. (This is a large part of why I'm no longer a church musician btw.) Great job on this video.
I Also Enjoyed Your Video About Some Churches Not Wanting to Pay Musicians . You Told the Truth Too About That Issue . I've Got Nearly 49 years in , playing for a Whole Lot of Churches, So Yes, Some Will Use You. These Days, You Have to Set Your Rate , or Just Don't Be Bothered. We can't go to a Music Store to buy an instrument or some type of accessory, And tell the cashier " I play for a church" and Get What we Need for free. " Nooooo"! We have to pay and pay full price + tax! We Don't Get a Discount Neither, As A Church Musician!! This is why a lot of Churches are losing musicians, cause we get fed up! No Respect Given to Us , as Human Beings, and Low to No Pay, as Seasoned, Devoted Musicians !
I thought that only happened in my small country of PNG 🇵🇬
Thanks for sharing that bro.. Glad to see someone talking about this 😊🙏🙏🙏💯
OooooWeeeee Brother. You Hit the nail on the head!! That's 1 of multiple reasons why I have left some churchs, because of their big-headed, egotistical, "think they are God Almighty" Pastors that Don't Have RESPECT for their Musician. Even my current church, the Pastor want to flip the script and put the blame on me, AFTER I Did What He Asked Me To Do, that Is NOT In my contract. I went beyond call of duty, but You Can't Please Nobody & Everybody, at the same time!! So I'll Bail, Cause I Personally Don't Like Chaos in God's House of Worship!! 👋 Preach The Truth, Brother, Preach!! 🔥 Committed Musician(s) are Very Emotional People, & Very Spiritual When Chosen By God our father, Jesus his son, And the Annoying of the Holy Ghost!! AMEN, AMEN, AMEN. So Pastors Give Us Our Respect, as We Respect You
Thhaaaannnkkk You Brother. Tell The Truth Cause I Definitely Agree Cause I Has That Done To Me Many Times. I Have Left Churches Before For the Pastor Disrespecting Me In Front of A FULL Audience! I Am A Grown Adult & Not A Child and I Will Leave Your Church , Cause That Is Humiliating!!
Great show Terence Fisher! Blessings! Church-Musicians need a union!
Great video sir. I am fortunate to have served under a very wise Bishop who allowed me to grow under his tutelage. He never micromanaged but asked me to pray and ask God which direction he wanted me to take the music department. As wise and educated as he was, he always empowered the little man until they reached their full potential. The problem came when I went other places and other leaders wanted to flex their muscle. I wasn’t used to that because my leader wasn’t that type of person. One time I was at a church and the leader started ranting about these musicians being loud and making too much noise. I politely held up my amp cord and power switch to let this boisterous person know I wasn’t even plugged in and it was the organ player which was laughing because he knew it wasn’t me. After all of that, they still didn’t apologize. Thank God for wisdom!
That's why the churches are losing musicians.
Not a musician, but did volunteer for several years doing lights and sound. In all of churches I attended (different military duty stations), only paid staff was pastoral staff, office staff, maybe music leader and maybe janitorial person. Everyone else was a volunteer: musicians, choir, production team, teachers, and babysitters.
Also, about musician and choir walking out, in a couple of churches, ran two morning services. Musicians and choir would be at first service, stay for remainder of service and leave after completing music part of second service.
For the music to be right, the musicians have to get there hours before the service begins: wsrming up muscles in the voice (and rest of the body, for the instrumentalists), sound checking, tuning, rehearsing. That would mean their body's needs would be on a different schedule than everybody who went straight from their house to the church.
When would those musicians get to the bathroom? Most churches ban drinks in the sanctuary; how will the singers get water for their throats? If the guitarist breaks a string, horn player has a problem with a pad, cork, valve, reed or mouthpiece, when would he be able to address it?
Also, If there is a change in song order,nor a problem with the arrangement, the leader needs a space of time to address it.
To deny or ignore those things is to kill the worship service, by killing musician DESIRE to participate in the worship services (at least, at *THAT* church).
I'm so glad you mentioned that some pastors come in 5 minutes before PnW ends...people model the behavior of their leaders. If you don't care why should they?
Many do that because the poor music is a distraction- in my church, that’s exactly what the pastor told me. But OTOH, he expects others to endure it lol
This video is so on point. I’ve seen a band and some members leave because of this.
You're speaking truth no one should be disrespected in the house of God
I am loving this! Facts Bro! Pastors have gotten used to being worshiped, and they become consumed by the power they have over the folks that worship them. The truth is that most of these churches would be empty without the musicians.
Preach! The truth will make you free ❤
Great video! Very well said. I pastor a small church where we do congregational singing because we do not have a musician at this time. Churches that have musicians, choirs and praise teams are truly blessed. They should be shown kindness, love and respect. They are a blessing to the Saints. 🙏🏿
As a church musician I appreciate pastors like you.
You’re right on point bro. I was playing drums at this church a few years back and the pastor kicked his own cousin out of the choir before they got ready to sing. I wasn’t a member of the church but I asked for a raise and he got mad when I told him I wasn’t fixing to pay tithes. I never went back to that church after that last Sunday. I found out later from some of his members that he wanted me to come back. These preachers basically think they are Yaweh now.
Brother I agree with u 100%!!! I wish a preacher would come at me like that it will be his last time!!! And these are the things that has to be discussed when you meet before u agree to play for the church what u will or will not stand for… And I tell them all the time you need talk to me about anything let’s talk in a meeting, and church musicians always have a back a plan because a lot of u allow this to happen to you because this is your only means of income, but have u a back up job just in case I have to check a Pastor for his behavior before he tries to fire u!!! I now require a musician contract with the church not the pastor…. Need info on how to do that I believe brother Terence can help I with that as well…. Great content my brother keep it going
That happened to a worship band i was in. The pastor thought it was funny. He legitimized abuse of band members in the church. I WAS SO HAPPY TO GET OUT OF THAT CHURCH! I couldn't get out of there fast enough.
Thank you for calling these kind of things out! I’ve seen so many pastors that are clearly pastors to hustle for money and have enormous unchecked egos. They devalue musicians and complain about paying us but if we all walked out, and refused to play you wouldn’t have a church. Unless you’re one of them old school don’t believe in instrument churches which are rare these days. Plus they tend to act like they own you, and be taking your whole Sunday in some
Cases cause the service is so long or has multiple services. I ended up moving back home to Vermont and up here paying musicians in churches is completely unheard of. I do not miss playing for churches at all. I’d rather put that time towards thing I want to do. Primarily my own music.
Thank you for saying this!! Enough is Enough!!
My husband (church bass player of 50 + years along with secular projects) and I were having brunch with our new church pastor. Our appetite was ruined when this pastor criticized our worship leader and told us that she was going to be removed. Our worship leader is a 4 year degree graduate (instrumental and vocal) of a well recognized music program in the Toronto area and she is now studying Theology. When we observed the total lack of confidentiality with respect to personnel matters along with the pastor's mysoginst attitudes, a good number of the worship team, the leadership team and the congregation made use of the exit door. Many of these people are now at the same new church, serving and thriving. I am not the musician in the family Terence, but I love your videos and I shared your ideas with my husband. Praying for you.
I am a classical pianist in the academic world, so was completely ignorant about the world of contemporary church musicians. These videos have been greatly enlightening to me. I have learned that these church musicians are professional musicians who deserve respect. They are not there to praise God or insure their own personal salvation. This level of musician does not do charity work or busk for spare coin. They are there to perform the service they were hired and paid to do. End of story!
This has happened to me as a keyboard player. May they reap what they sow.
I have been playing for 30 years and I've played for good pastors and some assholes. One thing is there will always be a church needing a musician
thank you for saying what so many of us have been thinking for so many years. I personally know at least 5-6 musicians who have left the ministry behind this kind of bad behaviour from. church leadership!!
Brings back a lot of memories.
Am done singing at church. It's a lot of work and stress for nothing.
So sorry,but dont give up. You were called for His Glory. He will make room for your gift. I have been right where you are just pray and trust God for the victory.
@pqila:
It's not for nothing! It's for The Lord! Always remember that when you get frustrated with pompous pastors, and complaining congregants!
I’ve experienced the same and just brushed it off but when it happened again I was ready to fight after church. But thanks for touching on this topic because as I have gotten older I have matured in my musicianship and I do exactly what you said . I would respectfully cut the organ/ keyboard off , get up and leave. The things that some of these preachers do are disrespectful and in called for.
I agree with you, and that is: Treat musicians with dignity and respect. They are human, they are people, and so they have feelings too. Just because they can play an instrument very well, does not mean they are an object, no human feelings, like, an instrument and you can disrespect them.
Musicians can lay hands as well. Truth is, the clergy already know with whom they can try that crap with!
I'm so glad I go to a small church and I'm volunteering as the guitar player none of us are payed , and none of this drama ever happens and we are far from perfect, myself especially.
It's biblical for the musicians to be paid! What IS NOT biblical is this epidemic of arrogant pastors!
It's not just musicians that need to speak out against this, it is every member of the church. Hold the person responsible and if it continues, move on. I would be willing to bet that any preacher that is doing this has other issues as well.
Agreed! By their fruits we shall know them..
I been through that situation before and I can't take it no more!!!!
LIKE I SAID, WE AS MUSICIANS NEED MUCH PRAYER TO GO THROUGH WITH WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO PRAISE THE LORD IN THE CHURCH AS THE MUSICIAN!!! 🙏❤️
Thanks for this. I grew up playing in church, I've been playing for over 20 years and what you are saying is spot on. Many pastors and ministers are simply arrogant with a delusion that they are entitled. In Brooklyn this happened in a huge service and I walked out right after the song was done. It was the beginning of the service. I didn't care for the money, they could keep that.
We call it "Grand Standing".
You make some great points. I hope folks are listening!
U speaking facts ma bro....continue to fearlessly tell the truth!!
It’s happened to me….thank you for making this video!
Terrence, love you man. Learned so much from your show. Really dig your scene and rants. Thank you thank you, the FEEL.
BROTHER YOU IS RIGHT ON THE BUTTON 100% for many many years me and my brother been playing for churches years i have had the same disrespeck for many years as well i've had pastors falesly rebuking me for no reason just to make the pepole happy i've been treated so badly even by the saints i remember when everybody was geting in the flow of the spirit it was a visiting pastor me and my brother was playing behind him he turned around and said quite i don't need that and rebuke me and my brother falesly for no reason and he said whacth me holler like rev C.L FRANKLIN !!!!!!!! thanks terence for speaking up againts these fake churches!!!
Praise folks in public. Correct in private. That's the short version. No matter what, "Do unto others..." (I read that somewhere.)
Fortunately everywhere I have played, the pastors have been very complimentary of the musicians. I would not stick around in an environment like that.
This is sad,.. God is cleaning house. He says that judgement begins in the church. Arrogance. And pride. I'm a musician. I've not served under arrogant and disrespectful pastors or leadership. I had no idea this was taking place. Thank you brother for sounding the alarm. Maybe now pastors and worship leaders a like... who get foo full of themselves will take note. All is being exposed.
You telling the truth brother.
I love this vid. It’s the reason why I just don’t deal with most churches like that. I really don’t take a lot of engagements at this point in life.
I always find it interesting how pastors get mad at us for walking out when they get up to preach... but they don't even come in until AFTER praise & worship.
not only are the musicians subject to this ....but ALSO the AV staff....i know cause it happen to me PUBLICALLY!
I just subscribed to your channel. I am a musician and I have played in a worship band. Left a church two weeks ago because NOBODY is gonna disrespect me. Furthermore if any new situation happens, if I am disrespected by anyone especially any pastor I will deal with them the same way they deal with me. Disrespect me and I will return the favor.Pastors are sinners just like you and I. In many instances they have nasty secrets that we don’t know about. I am so glad I never let that man put his hand on my head. I agree with you a million percent. Musicians need to stretch after playing. Go outside for a few minutes and relax and drink water and even talk to someone outside and crack a joke if necessary. If you are a freelancer then you came to work and not to be preached to. I am a baptized believer but I am fed up of some of these people who like to do spiritual bullying.
Great video. That was Bishop Paul Morton
Hey Yo I grew up in church and I totally agree what you’re saying. Everybody’s not anointed and you don’t know what they struggling with for them to be land they hands Aka their problems they issues that spirit on you
Said my brother! It's not okay to treat someone like that
I was in a church when the pastor who was playing guitar all of a sudden tells the organ player to play the song in a different key. All he had to do was move his capo. She struggled through it and did a pretty good job. After the service we went up to him and tried to explain how hard it is to transpose on the spot like that. I said suppose someone came up to you and said play the song in E flat?
He said I don't want to talk about it. She left the church.
Pastors really need to hear this
Greetings brother, you on point. I just wish that more pastor's would listen to this.
Bless you
They should walk out when he shames them like that.
I agree this happened several times to me . At my church in Baltimore my almost former pastor did this crap.
Terrance yeah you speaking mad facts!!!!
I thought leaving during the service was in bad taste, until I actually played some services. That time is really useful to get together, get on the same page, discuss changes and adjustments, make corrections, freshen up and use the bathroom.
We could also tell the pastor "we just preached, we're good". ;)
Where were the pastor during worship and music, by the way....?
One of the universal foundations of leadership, whether it is in the family, the church, the NBA, or business: "Praise publicly, express corrections privately." Take them aside after the service, clarify your expectations, and come to a mutual understanding one on one.
That goes for anyone not just to musicians
Good point and I might just start cursing in church if something like that happens to me.
😂😅 Musicians are not Magicians!! Good one! This was one of your best videos!!!!! I laughed so much!
Factz
I play trumpet alone for free in church, mostly as community service, but also to learn the instrument better. There is quite a bit of abuse and trumpet being trumpet everyone will hear/feel when you are touched. Sometimes I would walk out, which is quite rare since I play minimal or just stop playing. I would always go back though as the pastor appreciates and is not that kind, while he is also the leader.
As a pastor, I know that you are absolutely correct!
I agree that no one who is faithful and willing to do and be the best musician that GOD has BLESSED them to be should at (NO TIME AT ALL) when serving the LORD with their GOD GIVEN GIFTS!!! should ever have to go through hell with a cocky member or pastor to do their job. I WILL NOT STAND FOR IT EVER AGAIN. THE GOD I SERVE IS MY PROVIDER , NOT THE CHURCH. MY GIFTS COME FROM THE LORD and NOT man !!! GOD IS MY PROVIDER. 🙏❤️AMEN!!!🙏
A lesson I recently learned, when someone tries to call you out publicly and perhaps disrespect you, respond by saying "I (or we) really need to hear that again." In the case of a church, the pastor will likely interpret that as you and/or other's agreed and need to really hear the message to reinforce it and will not feel threatened, and happily restate the offensive rebuke.
Then, while never taking your gaze off the other's face, loud enough for all to hear and without expression, ask "Was that intended to embarrass me?" or "Did you intend for that to hurt me?" Regardless of their answer, simply continue your gaze and say nothing. Not a soul in the room won't be able to pick up on why the offender is totally wrong, and that you are being the better person. Observers will probably instantly consider you to more the intellectually superior person as well.
Remember, you are NOT being vindictive or insulting, rather you are showing others why the offender is embarrassing themself. I would feel free to do this under the spotlight in front of the whole diocese. I play music for enjoyment and not money so I can get away with that. If you're getting paid, decide how bad you need the gig. Nothing but love if the threat of losing money from the gig keeps you silent, I know how it is, I used to play for pay too.
Bro thank you this was Needed every word you saying is 100 it needs to stop it’s hurting a lot of our brothers and sistersmusicians sometimes I didn’teven seen Pastors do it to thear on family as well. And you got me rolling the way you saying it. It is funny as well but so real.😂😂😂 God bless them in the name of Jesus to get it right and you wonder why brothers and sisters don’t wanna play anymore from being hurt🙏blessings bro
Fantastic video. 💯 % on point. So much hypocrisy
You are right, Sir. No matter how anointed any minister or singer is, there is a way to correct a situation in love even in a service.
this happens in a most musical circles...if another person (musician) is willing to embarrass or dis-respect you in a live setting, don't work with that person ever again...
When the saved get to heaven, the first ministry that's going to go is the pastor. Why? Because pastors and preachers won't be needed anymore. Besides that, musicians are not obligated in anyway to give their talents, time, musicianship, determination or dedication to anyone. God doesn't need any of us. Keep preaching the truth bro Terrence.
Man, I thought it was only me! Thanks
One thing that needs to be made clear to Pastors and members of the congregation especially to the members of the congregation that there is no secret pages of the Bible nor is there a page that folds out only for preachers to know and learn that separates them from what anyone else can know biblically. you can tell if they fail at teaching Gods word by simply seeing how they use their position of authority against those in the congregation. they don't want to show the congregation how to check it out in God's for themselves! they want them to be 100 percent reliant on the leadership of the church to tell them how the Bible says it so they can keep squeezing for tithes and offerings. THIS is why I'm glad judgement starts at the pulpit! Judgment starts with those who falsely taught Gods word for fleshly gains and it's going to happen before Hitler or polpot or mao and Stalin they committed atrocious things....but they didn't do it claiming to be a sent messenger of Jesus Christ
Dude....I wish I had this knowledge growing up. Ohhhhhh how I wish I had this!!!
Help Lord! 😢
I agree with you. They should be led by the Spirit. Shame on them!
Bruhhhhh.... Everything you sayin is spot on... Totally a huge reason im done with church...
I am in total agreement. Everyone who's faithfully serving in church deserves to be respected as a human being. As a soundman I must add that we catch some of the same hell as well. Never mind that some people can't hold a tune in a locked briefcase and cant sing their way out of a plastic bag but we get blamed for their poor sound. Of course, we get it from preachers too. I must say that for some of these pastors or preachers who make it a point to "call people out" or publicly humiliate or embarrass someone in front of the congregation during worship, because of ego, pride, and arrogance just remember God sees, hears, and is watching. Proverbs clearly states that pride and arrogance come before destruction. Also, I'll add that for any megachurch pastor who does such stuff, I wonder if you did that when your church was smaller or just starting up? I bet not because you were probably more humble, approachable, and more friendly towards people, now that your congregation has grown to 2000+ and you have a big security ministry to guard you so now you can fire off on folks any kind of nasty way you feel just because you can. That only tells long time members and others who and what you truly are, a Coward.
I appreciate all your videos. Thank you for being an advocate and a voice for all church musicians.
Your telling the truth ✅️💯
Brilliant video. Just subscribed.
I've been playing in church for looowng time and have thankfully never seen anything like this. BUT I do know two guys, a keys/organist in southwest OH and and bassist in southeast KY who DID have this happen to them. Both were from "big name" ministers. Is this more common in certain circles?
All I can say is “Preach brother”!
"I've never heard someone say 'I thought you were good musicians' who were good themselves."
Trying to assert an authority that they never had to begin, because many of the ones we’ve seen aren’t called to begin with.
So true some of these pastors are so rude to mucian attention seekers I call them put down others to look good. That's not the Spirit of love
i saw a video where a lady preacher scolded a musician because of the “jazz chords”……all condescending and imo mean spirited. I would have had some choice words for her. You are right, those titles get to their heads.