Mercedes C63 AMG Black Series vs MANUAL BMW M3 CSL | Supercar Driver
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- Join us as Matt drives the C63 Black Series and M3 CSL back to back in North Wales on a cold December day. Both are the type of cars that are fairly subtle in their appearance but as a petrolhead, if you know, you know.
We are not here to pick a winner, both are too different, we are here to celebrate two magnificent engines the likes of which we just don't see in new cars, and of course to find out if they deserve to be labelled as modern day icons.
Not a member yet? See more info here: www.supercar-d...
Subscribe for more awesome videos: / @scd
/ supercardriver
www.supercar-d...
#SupercarDriver #M3CSL #C63BlackSeries
Which of these two would you pick? Let us know 👇
M forever🔥🔥
I'll choose the M3 CSL because it's the best ever built in NA era, just the 100 kilos diet compared to the normal version gives a dream drivers car. The manual conversion unleashes the true potential and saves a lot of money in future maintenance.
M3 all day, the E30 and E46 M3’s are 2 of my favourite cars!
Mercedes is Mercedes - allways. Cmon, they invented car and since then made some of the most spectacular cars ever. With respect to BMW M division - they do great job.
C63... because it has almost a 150 more horsepower, and it sounds sooooooo much better.
I own an E46 M3 (non-CSL) and I must say, it is my most favorite car I’ve ever owned
I owned M3 e46, M3 e92 and M2 and I would give them all to have E46 CSL, this car is mind blowing!
We’re not going to lie, it’s a truly epic car
German bodybuilder meets German athlete.
True 👏
Fabian Hambüchen vs Markus Rühl
@@aloishintermoser9142 abersowasvon 😂
That wingless C63 looks good
It really does! So subtle
Absolutely one of my dreams, this plus a 997 GT3 RS. Job done.
It looks good but if you're getting a BS you have to get the aero pack
I don't just pick this M3 over the C63, I pick the M3 over any car! This is my favourite car of all time.
But C63, especially in body w204 is just my favorite ❤️
It's because of the price defense mate
@@danielbob4310 nah don't be a troll
@@StarDust_1988 it’s true mate
What a fantastic film! Loved every minute!
So great to see another CSL that is being enjoyed after one of our conversion.
Nicely done guys 👏👏👏
"the whole car comes together! its the ultimate driving experience!" that is why the e46 is a living legend - every thing in that car is designed for that car with a type of quality, prestige and purpose you do not find anymore.. the E46 is too good of a car to keep BMW making money- since then planned obsolescence, cheap plastic, less attention to detail ... BMW needs to continue driving up revenue & having a true ultimate driving machine would keep people too satisfied and unwilling to buy a new car. E46 was the last of a generation
The M156 6.2 V8 is probably the best V8 ever made. I am a huge BMW M Fanboy, but previously owned a W204 C63 and the engine is epic. The C63 Black is my favourite AMG car.
I absolutely love the M3 CSL. It's really on a diet. And the sound is fantastic.
CLK 63 Black Series: Am I a joke to you??
The natural rival to an e46 csl 6m is an nsx r. Both manual, both port-injected 3.2L 6 cylinders both peerless, timeless legends on chassis that transcended everything before them mated to bullet-proof powertrains than sonically escalated towards 8000 with a measured yet relentless escalation that will never be sensed again..
If only we could get our hands on one of those!!!
Can’t believe he didn’t use the M Track mode on the CSL. He wouldn’t have had that on or off problem he complained about.
Knowledge is power. He was driving with TC off for most of it. Know for next time :)
The CSL for the drive, the BS for the madness.
Probably the best and last true BMW and Benz ever made.
Think you’re right there! Thanks for watching
I drive f80 m3c and i don't agree when people say that my bmw is not true bmw. Wtf ? Why are modern bmw's not oem ? Maybe they are being built in China ? On what do u base your words ?
@@lorsamadey2435 In my opinion the E46 is the last true M3 because is the last M3 with the legendary n/a flat 6 engine that revs and screams like crazy. Also it doesnt have much electronics that "ruins" the driving experience.
Matt: we are not here to compare.
Also Matt: This M3 is the best car I have ever driven.
Great video. ;)
The M3 is amazing!! Great content!
Thanks for watching! Happy new year
Your best film yet? Suggestions; get your hands on an E92 GTS!
Thank you so much! Now that would be a bit special! Rare car
@J B 1m is garbage
Love both cars!! They're so different that it's wrong to compare them indeed. But I will say this: the CSL's looks and especially the exhaust sound puts a huuuggee smile on my face!
The CSL is an amazing car in so many ways and the ultimate M-car. Little known fact is that the chassis had a degree of seam welding, so is even stiffer than the standard M3 shell. Such a special car...
That's good to know! Thanks for watching
Followed Jana in his C63 Black back in the summer on one of the SCD drives - what a car! But the CSL is a car I've always lusted over.
The 1M isn't the only car we have in common now I see 😉
Wouldn’t kick either out of bed!
The first AMG that I fell in love with. Great sound! Shifted a bit too much and the trans didn’t like it. Shift denied was the msg on the IC.
Ah that makes sense. After a while he had learnt how the car behaves and how best to drive it
Nice review Matt. Those B roads look like a lot of fun. I recently reviewed the M3 CSL alongside the M2 CS and was surprised, like you, at how entertaining it was. I owned one back in 2010/2011 and didn't fall in love with it then, but cars have got a lot heavier over the last 10 years! I'd be interested to try it with the manual box. I owned a C63 BS in red with comfort spec and loved the engine, but found the suspension way too firm to use as a daily driver. Happy New Year gents.
Thank you Mark! Enjoyed your video too and can't get enough CSL content lately! Funny how we all went on the pursuit of the latest and greatest and now are going back to find the cars from the noughties.
Interesting to see a C63 Black Series w/o the wing! But, I would have to take the E46 M3 CSL, that manual is the automotive equivalent of gold.
Looks pretty subtle doesn’t it! CSL is a special thing
BMW M fan boy forever🔥🔥
Thanks for watching 🏁
Totally agree, from personal experience, E46 CSL and 997.1 or 997.2 GT3 are the most involving cars I have ever driven !
Glad to see the old girl still has what it takes had my csl 11 years now still a fantastic car to drive puts a smile on my face every time I go out 👍
11 years! Fair play! 🙌🙌
I bet its an SMG.....
Great review! I've not driven a CSL but you're wrong about the DSC. Only the CSL had the M track mode which did allow some slip. It was DSC fully on, M track mode on and then DCS fully off. The M track mode was the forerunner of the M dynamic mode.
Two amazing cars that will go down as modern classics. Like the old 911s, I can’t get enough of these cars. Well done.
Thanks for watching 🙌
God i do miss my C63.. Absolutely loved it! There was a sweet spot on the down shift in 3rd at about 3500 when you just lift off, hit the downshift paddle and you'd get a really lovely crackle! Superb!
Can only imagine! Epic engine
I love both... but tbh if both where coming down the road in opposite directions I would have to look at the C63
Both of these cars have aged so well
Haven’t they just? 😍
That sound of the csl even with a c63 black series in the video ♥️♥️♥️
Nothing comes close to the CSL sound does it
@@scd ive driven one for a few days and nothing at all comes close to the thrill you have driving the ultimate bmw machine....... And that too was a manual conversion
@@scd you've just got a subscription from me for that brilliant video..... well done 👍
It's for all the reasons that he gave for both cars being great machines that I own the E46 M3 as well as the 335i N54 tuned. I love the M3 for it's handling, excellent weight distribution and chassis. The 335 for it's massive power and straight line performance. The best of both worlds. I'd love to have a Mercedes C63 or 65 or E55 etc with those fantastic V8's but my pocket book can only stretch so far.
You could just watch this with just the sound on alone. 💙🔊
Thank you
What a car the CSL is. I owned this exact csl for 4 years. If the new owner would like to contact me. I could share a lot of info about the car. I bought it with 107,000 miles and began to make it as good as you see it today 😀
@ supercar driver
Very cool! Will point him in your direction!
3 great things in that film.
The Merc.
The BMW
Those roads..can't wait to get back on them.
Why thank you! All the best f
really miss the CLK 63 Black series :(
Might have to do CLK Black vs M3 GTS next, what you reckon?
@@scd yea that would be awesome! :D
Wonderful video. The e46 M3 is such a great and playful car! 1000% biased... a manual CSL must be just that much more special
Haha you own one? Thanks for watching
@@scd I own a wonderful regular e46 M3. Added OEM CSL rims for that added beauty and "lightness". Pondering the Karbonius ar box to make it sound a bit better
This is car heaven you couldn't of pick 2 perfect cars and the sound from both is pure music just a shame we won't hear cars like these in the future which to true car lovers is a total crime
I had an M3 on an 04’ plate, manual box because the smg was rubbish, it put a big grin on my face every time I drove it.
Never driven a normal 46 M3! Bet it way a joy
Never gets old. That noise!!!
Don’t make them like they used to right?
Fantastic review. Could do with more odd comparisons. Not everyone can afford the best of the best and then some. Too many head to heads these day. Your journalistic style is a breath of fresh air too. Top man. Subscribed.
Thank you Roman and welcome! Feedback noted too 🙌
Theres a reason why the CSL originally was SMG. I have had my E46 SMG M3 for 12 years and I must say it took me some time to learn it and master it, but they have had a bad rap. mostly from individuals that drove it once or never mastered it. In the quarter mile I have yet to see a manual beat the SMG from the launch mode... I also think its more fun to drive just keep up with the maintenance.
@Fit. Are you sure about the quarter mile? To date the fastest I’ve seen was from 3 pedal. Google Lee Mathew. 12.7 seconds. Not exactly stock from a weight standpoint but engine bone stock.
I have the 3 pedal. The only SMG I raced I was able to easily beat. My car just had more power. I was for sure lighter with my Gruppe M titanium muffler at the time. He had a super sprint muffler at the time from what I recall.
So whether from a dig or roll race my car was faster.
The odd thing is that I do have an F1 F430 and it’s clearly a better performer vs the gated 6 speed from Ferrari. That has to be the worst and slowest shifter on the planet.
I went back to the stock muffler on the M3. All I have is a light weight battery. It’s still a fun car to drive but it’s not at the same level as the F430.
The sounds these cars make, I honestly think that's the best sounding in-line 6 and V8 ever🔥🔥🔥💯.
We think you’re right 🏁
Nissan RB's would like to have a chat
Good work Matt 👍🏻 Great presenter with bags of enthusiasm and knowledge. Really enjoyed that thanks alot. CSL all day long for me and with a manual conversion WOW
Smg gearbox is fine, drive it like a manual and there's no issue. Im not sure what all the fuss is. But feel free to get yours converted and push my smg value up. 👍
I'm surprised how slow the upshifts on the C63 are. My 2008 ISF is considerably quicker to shift up and rev matches better on the down also.
I've been an E36 lover since I was a kid, but I can't deny this CSL is bloody amazing! You made me want to drive one of these right now...with a manual!
Loving your content and still waiting for the F50! :-P
Thanks buddy! What’s not to love about the CSL? And yes F50 is coming, blame Covid as to why it’s late 🤪
Two engine notes that are polar opposites, yet both sound amazing.
This is very true! Thanks for watching
Unfortunately CSL is too expensive for me, but recently I've bought a manual e46 m3 coupe and the sensation that car gives in a b road are similar as descripted in this video, car seems alive. Not easy to find a car like this one today. Congrats for the video, I've seen it several times ;)
AMG - best sounding engine. CSL - best driving car.
Manual CSL... take my money, kidney.
What a great video! You guys did an amazing job on this!
Thanks for the opportunity ✌️✌️
NA Forever
6.2L NA V8 all day
🙌🙌
The CSL was one of Burkhard Göschel's proudest moments, he himself acknowledges that. Great Video. Atb.
Thanks for watching 🙌
You absolutely nailed this review man. Looking forward to seeing more gems featured!
SMG is good when tracked, put it in fastest mode and it literary tries to rip your heart out. That is why BMW opted for SMG II only for CSL with better ECU mapping, for track purpose. I do agree manual getrag 6 speed is much more enjoyable for daily drive.
Here’s a man who knows! Thanks
That CSL is 👌!
Thanks for watching ✌️
Stunning video. I’d rake the CSL all day long, however I can’t believe you showed so many CSL exhaust clips and clips of the car going away from the camera, but not one of the glorious intake sound coming at the camera hard :(
That’s a very good point. Well spotted. We’ll make up for that
The E46 CSL is a timeless design
Thats unreal the 63. I would totally have a normal 63 and put a bodykit on one
Ive got a 325ci and love it, can only imagine what the M3 is like oh my
We’re BMW fan boys here too
There is a great company in UK called Eventuri they produce carbon intake and carbon air box that creates an induction noise similar to factory m3 worthwhile upgrade
both cars are my all time dream cars. and you somehow put those two together in this video! thank you🙏
You have fine taste in cars! Thanks for tuning in
Funny watching these cars parked up looking all cool at the place I used to have picnics as a kid 😅
Haha nice part of the world 🙌
Great review as ever guys. Would probably pick the CSL as it’s now got the correct ‘box. That car left a huge impression on me back in 2003 as a 10 year old. I’m not sure BMW has ever made a car as special as the CSL since. It’s still so highly praised 17 years later.
Thanks for tuning in Adam! Glad you enjoyed it 🙌
I had the chance to buy the C63 AMG for $40k about 6 years ago here in San Francisco. I really regret not buying it. Instead I found a 1999 C43 AMG. It’s a fast rocket for a small car.
Let’s keep this simple ! BMW Please !
Ok 👏👏
Great cars. I'd like to add though the CSL does have a halfway house on the traction control - that's what the M (MDM) button is for on the steering wheel, and it is much better.
So we now realise 😅 so it’s the perfect car then 👑
If I ever win the lottery, first thing I'm gonna do is manual-convert an M3 CSL, then manual convert a Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale and then get a Carrera GT. Dream garage.
I've had an E46 M3 (carbon black, standard except Bilstein suspension, genuine CSL wheels and big Brembos all round from a F80 M4) for 4 years and it's a second car and my daily/family car for the last 2 years has been a 2013 C63 estate in grey (standard except LSD fitted and remapped to 507bhp). As a driver I completely concur with all your comments about both of these cars and the only way I would sell either would be if I was upgrading to one of these lovely special editions!
Manual CSL.. The stuff of dreams
Tbh we’d take any CSL 😍
@@scd okay yeah that's true 😂
This channel needs to organize a track gathering of two-generation old sports cars on sport cup 2 or Trofeo R rubber to start putting myriad arguments to bed for good..
We like your thinking ✌️
I have a silver grey manual e46 m3 no sunroof, I’ve owned it now for many years, genuine csl wheels and I’ve always flirted with the idea of going bootlid and bumper, possibly just wrapping the roof carbon look. But not sure it’s all a bit cheesy and will probably never commit to do it, that being said a csl airbox and 100cell cats is a must.
There's a guy on my kids school run has a csl and it makes me dream every day I had a 330ci not the same I no but I had a blast . I point it out to the kids and they scoff because they remember my 330 and think it's the same . I'd love to take them for a spin n wake em up
Probably short shifter installed for the m3... Both cars... is just WoW.....😃
M3 is A Legend.
It is! And the csl is the daddy of them all
M3 sounds so much better, M3 all day long.. and yes i do have one.
Nice video SCD and both great cars!! But for me I would take the CSL for the pure driving experience
Thanks for watching! CSL is such a pure car
...the AMG it's a different design than Mercedes cars,...i think CSL it's most special from all specs,...it's most original than AMG,by beyond,anyone recognise a BMW CSL by his engine and his design,...the CSL it's most original and special...,thank you for this video.
Thank you for an awesome video, well done.
Can’t beat that V8 no matter how good the csl is and the csl is my fave car
We know you love your C63’s
@@scd 🤣🤣 great video as always guys
Great vid. Absolutely adore both. Personally love the E46 steering. That Black Series though...
Something about the Black Series.... even this subtle version without any aero looks mega.
would be great if you would drive a proper CSL with an SMG in a track, then you could have an opinion about the manual ;-)
Yep we’ll be featuring an SMG next spring as part of a special shoot we’re planning. What we said about the CSL in general thigh is the same whichever gearbox it has.
@@scd ok that sounds great ! you can have a look at my track videos with my CSL
@@alexk_215 nice videos! Good to see you enjoying it as intended
You need to turn T C fully off and then an extra shift speed appears. Turn it to its fastest setting, wind the motor to 8000rpm and click the right paddle. It’s anything but slow and clumsy in full attack! No way a manual changes faster or with such ferocity. I love the smg in my csl, owned it 16 years from brand new! The engine and induction noise in the cabin is second to none! The csl gets better and better the harder and faster you drive it! Even the engine gets sharper when it’s thrashed, been thrashing mine for 125,000 mile and it’s still feels amazing.
Hands down one of the best videos I have seen well done
Thank you so much!
Ooooo.....CSL.......😎😎😎 Great review yet again Matt.
Thank you ✌️
As e46 m3 & m4 owner I will chose csl
🙌🙌
Cool Comparison, especially since I have an E46 M3 with some CSL goodies and a C63 W204 Estate. I
recognise the shooting location as I took the M3 on a road trip around Bala Lake and North wales a few years ago!
Need to review a Z4M Coupe next! Shared many parts with the CSL
Great shout
What an amazing video.
Thanks for watching! Subscribe for more 🙌
Can you please do a video of the new M4 CSL vs the C63 Black Series?
Might be dumb question, but is it possible to solve the gear box issue through software?
I have zero engineering or software knowledge, just wondering if someone somewhere has the skills to solve problems like this and other?
Tbh the SMG isn’t that bad. Just have to drive it in a certain way. You can’t beat the character of the cars from that era. The 360CS is similar
@@scd I doubt I’d be complaining either, really like that you put a positive reaction out there regardless of the gearbox, unlike most in the game who are getting so overly critical. Thanks for the reply, can’t wait to see more!
Next e90 m3 crt?👀
a man of culture
Yes that c63 sounds good when reving but those misfires when shifting gears destorys everything. I can't for anything understand why anyone would thunk that shit sounds good.
Btw the Simens Ecus that bmw used in the e46 (non and m engines) has that stupid missifire option to but the company was run by engineer's at the time so thankfully theu chose not to enable it
Not sure why the CSL has such a following when one needs to modify it before it starts to really be good. Take any acceptable sports car and modify it and it will be very good. But stock for stock its not a good car, I tested one a few times trying to decide whether to buy one and it was horrible with the stock box.The E92 GTS is a far better car to drive stock. It really is so much more special.
AMG for sound and CSL (manual) for B Roads. But I'm greedy, so I'll have both please 😉🙏🏻
Very greedy 😂
@@scd 😂👍🏻👍🏻
Owned both, csl is much louder inside the car, ang louder only from outside
Happy new year! Great video!
Happy new year!
Makes a standard C63 look like a bargain.
True!
Was the manual conversion done by EverythingM3s ?
Yes it was!
Thats the guy that does ut out of his home right? Also adds on some 4.10 gears to wake that sucker up👌
These were the days
I'd have the black series to look at and the CSL to drive.